Microsoft bigwig has a right go at Sony

By Robert Purchese Published 9 May, 2008

Claims 360 is winning in Europe after all.

Microsoft bigwig Aaron Greenberg has attacked Sony for what he sees as a failure to deliver on promises.

Among his targets were Killzone 2, PlayStation Home, PSN functionality, 1080p support, Blu-ray, Sixaxis and rumble.

"We have been fighting Sony's promises from the day we entered the market. Three years ago at E3 they showed what PS3 games would supposedly look like with the Killzone 2 video, that we are now learning will ship four years later. That means that we will have shipped Gears of War and Gears of War 2 before they can even get Killzone out the door," Greenberg told Destructoid.

"Think back to GDC 2007 when Sony promised to leap ahead in online with the Sony Home unveil. Here we are two years later and multiple delays for a product that has appears to have little to no buzz. Where are the achievements? The friends list integration across all games? Where is the long-promised video store?

"Where are all the other products using and networking with their Cell chip? How come Blu-ray did not result in better games? What happened with Sixaxis and rumble? Where is the complete 1080p game library we were promised? If Blu-ray, as they said, would be such a catalyst to PS3 console sales, then why have PS3 sales over the past couple months not seen any lift since the format victory?" he added.

The reality for Greenberg is that the Xbox 360 "is leading this generation" because it has sold more consoles, has more games and exclusives as well as "the leading online service and community". Unsurprisingly he's confident Xbox 360 will extend "its lead" over PS3 this year.

Greenberg says Microsoft has a 5 million unit lead over Sony around the world. That's double the PS3 in the US, and one million more in Europe, which, er, is not what Sony Europe boss David Reeves said earlier this week.

"The days of Sony snowing the consumers and the press are over, I think the pressure is now really on them more than ever to deliver on all of these promises," concluded Greenberg.

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  • TriggerHippie #1 4 years ago

    Rhubarb Rhubarb Rhubarb

  • Gaol #2 4 years ago

    Can I be the first PS3 owner to say:

    well said.

  • Widge #3 4 years ago

    I reckon I'm winning in Europe and everyone else is FAIL

  • prolific8 #4 4 years ago

    Owned.

  • urban #5 4 years ago

    hand bags at dawn

  • DUFFKING #6 4 years ago

    Who fucking cares who wins.

  • AHiFi #7 4 years ago

    As much as I hate these statements...he's right. Dunno about the Europe figures though...

  • Peew971 #8 4 years ago

    He sounds pissed :)

  • Eighthours #9 4 years ago

    To be fair, most of the specific criticism there is pretty justified. He's only reiterating what most of us have been saying for a while about Sony's performance so far versus their promises.

  • Psychotext #10 4 years ago

    I wonder why EG didn't say that Greenberg used Chart Track / GFK numbers to back up his claims about Europe?

  • IneptPercy #11 4 years ago

    its a good point, the 360 isn't battling with the PS3, its battling with the promise of the PS3.

    Many have been converted but there is still many more who blindly think the PS3 owns the 360 on every front when the reality is there isn't much of a difference, yet the 360 has the better games catalogue so that by rights would make it the better games console as its all about the games.

  • lambtron #12 4 years ago

    Whereas usually these things are bordering on lies and libel ... in this case everything he said about Sony, is, well, true...

  • wired009 #13 4 years ago

    touche. at this time the only reason i'd buy a PS3 is to use it as a blu-ray movie player. state-side it costs 500 versus 400 for a dedicated player. both are still expensive which is why i have not bought either... even though i want a hi def player. is it too late to resurrect HD-DVD? to be fair, 360 build quality leaves a lot to be desired. my friend's 2 year old xbox console finally saw the red ring this month.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 15:58

  • smelly #14 4 years ago

    Yeah.. But they promise that their hardware actually works and isnt going to go pop and take 6 weeks to get a replacement..

  • Prodigy_BE #15 4 years ago

    [link url=http://vgchartz.com/ hwlaunch.php
    ]http://vgchartz.com/ hwlaunch.php
    [/link]

    Spot the point where blu-ray took off.

  • smelly #16 4 years ago

    >Who fucking cares who wins.

    Sony, nintendo and microsoft (and their respective shareholders)

  • des #17 4 years ago

    Sony boss Reeves thinks that UK isn't part of the Europe(what's Europe?).

    We all know what console is Wiining
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:00

  • TriggerHippie #18 4 years ago

    Microsoft have been promising to send me a functioning 360 since April 2007. Still waiting.

  • GamerG #19 4 years ago

    So who's lieing about who's winning in Europe Sony or MS?

    To be it looks like MS are using sold to consumer figures and Sony are using Shipped to retail,

  • Psychotext #20 4 years ago

    @des: Actually... that's probably right. If asked I'm sure he'll be able to say "we meant mainland Europe".

  • SeesThroughAll #21 4 years ago

    If Blu-ray, as they said, would be such a catalyst to PS3 console sales, then why have PS3 sales over the past couple months not seen any lift since the format victory?

    Obvious bullshit.

    Where are the achievements?

    This one is true.

    The friends list integration across all games?

    It IS integrated, all online games can access the friends list and set private matches.

    Where is the long-promised video store?

    "Long" promised? Is a couple of months ago that long?
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:11

  • japstersam #22 4 years ago

    my 360 broke...so i sent it off and it was back to me within a week, with a free extra month on my xbox live membership and its never had any problems in the year and a half since. and everytime i phoned up (even though it could take a while to get through), they were really helpful and told me exactly where my xbox was.
    so i know a lot of people moan about MS, but that was my experience with them :)

  • Spanky #23 4 years ago

    He sounds like a really angry ps3 owner!

  • Psychotext #24 4 years ago

    @SeesThroughAll: Depends on what date you're basing it on. If you look at when Toshiba killed HD-DVD (Feb) then the PS3 hasn't had any meaningful increase in weekly sales since in either Japan or the US.

    Here's the US NPD figures as an example:
    Jan: 67k / week
    Feb: 70k / week
    Mar: 51k / week

    Sadly we can't tell what's going on in Europe as usual. (Screw you chart track / gfk)
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:13

  • JohnnyWashnGo #25 4 years ago

    Sony truely are a victim of their own success.

    The PSOne blew people away at a time when Nintendo had a fairly pathetic console and Sega were struggling to be relevant in the games hardware market.

    The PSTwo, though being a sod to program for, just had the right software to ensure that everyone who played games had to have one. In some cases people even bought more than one PSTwo and rigth now, they are still selling relatively well.

    The PSThree is a disaster. They hyped it, they talked crap about what it was capable of and sadly, many people believed the hype and are being disappointed on a daily basis. The exclusives are nothing to write home about and games that are available on mutiple platforms are not demonstrating the power of the console in any way.

    Personally, I like the overpriced piece of junk. I know, perhaps in a self delusional way, that the console will have a long life and, fingers crossed, will start to shine later in its life. But right now, at this moment in time, there is little to recommend about the machine other than the hype from Sony.

  • Quiiick #26 4 years ago

    ... and what about the RROD on the Xbox360 Mr. Greenberg?

    Experiencing the RROD twice myself plus a faulty disc-drive was enough for me to switch to a PS3.
    And despite the shortcoming of the PS3 (which are highlighted by Greenberg) it is still the superior hardware.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:14

  • malteaserhead #27 4 years ago

    as a somewhat disgruntled ps3 owner I'd have to agree with most of that.

    Last week's shite being spouted by Sony really did start to get on my tits too. Get the fking games out and quit messing around.
    Of all 3 consoles this gen I'm probably still disappointed the most with Sony's.

  • BiscuitBase #28 4 years ago

    The fight for second place rages ever onward

  • smelly #29 4 years ago

    "my 360 broke...so i sent it off and it was back to me within a week, with a free extra month on my xbox live membership and its never had any problems in the year and a half since."

    I guess it's probably ok in europe.. In the states it takes more than a week for the blood box to arrive to send it back in!


    For me, the 360 was the console of choice up until VERY recently.. I couldnt see the point in the ps3.. Not many games,.. expensive.. no good exclusives.. etc..

    But since i had problems with the rrod... and since blue ray took off - I can see why people might "jump ship" back to sony.

    That and you can almost gaurantee microsoft will be announcing the xbox 360 2 (or whatever) by the end of the year.. Just as the ps3 overtakes it worldwide..

  • smelly #30 4 years ago

    "Of all 3 consoles this gen I'm probably still disappointed the most with Sony's."

    To be fair...

    if you look historically at the ps1 & ps2.. both took a year or 2 to start getting decent games and start selling decent amounts of units.. (and start being a decent price)

  • espibara #31 4 years ago

    Lets face it

    xbox 360= sluttty good time girl that will love you long time, every night until she dies.

    PS3 = stunning supermodel of the year that promises to give you the best shag ever only to announce shes a celibate virgin.

  • miiiguel #32 4 years ago

    promisses != deliver

  • malteaserhead #33 4 years ago

    Smelly
    Oh I know that and I'm still more than hopeful that in its long life we'll end up with loads of quality... but so far it has been disappointing for me.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:18

  • Darren #34 4 years ago

    I don't understand how Microsoft only has a 5 million unit lead over Sony now when back in January they announced the 360 had sold 18 million units and Sony's PS3 stood at 10.5 million units worldwide (roughly). Now three months later the PS3 has managed to reduce the lead by 2.5 million according to Microsoft yet they aren't worried, instead they're claiming that PS3 sales haven't increased?!? :?

    Am I missing something here? LOL

  • mikeck #35 4 years ago

    I think only selling an extra 5 million consoles with a 16 month head-start isn't much to brag about, especially as PS3 hardware sales figures keep rising. Also - how many of those extra 5 million are replacements bought because of RROD and no warranty cover in the early days?

    I know I mention this and then will go and say who cares, but hey does it matter, let's just play games instead ;)

  • mossychops001 #36 4 years ago

    Looking at the stats , over the same life span Microsoft will only sell 4 million more Xbox360's than they did with the original Xbox.
    if they are lucky!
    Original Xbox 24,000.000 Noveber 2001 -2006
    Xbox 360 28.000.000 Nov 2005 -2010

    Folowing the tipical S curve in sales.

  • mikeck #37 4 years ago

    "I don't understand how Microsoft only has a 5 million unit lead over Sony now when back in January they announced the 360 had sold 18 million units and Sony's PS3 stood at 10.5 million units worldwide (roughly). Now three months later the PS3 has managed to reduce the lead by 2.5 million according to Microsoft yet they aren't worried, instead they're claiming that PS3 sales haven't increased?!? :?

    Am I missing something here? LOL
    "

    Well said

  • Skooch #38 4 years ago

    All of this is absolutely true and the difference with MS is when the hardware problems became clear they offered a 3 year warranty at the cost of $1bn. Sony continuously lie and cheat their way into consumers hearts and too many consumers suck it up because of the success of the PS2. Anyone remember when the PS3 was going to have 6 USB ports, and support for 7 controllers, and a worldwide launch, and every console would be backwards compatible, and there would be a huge 1080P games library because the real next gen only starts when Kaz says it does...all bullshit.

    The Wii has done great and MS have been sucker punched by poor hardware reliability, but Sony really are just lying scum.

  • miiiguel #39 4 years ago

    "because of RROD and no warranty cover in the early days?"
    That's weird..., early 360's don't have warranty ? Why ?

  • Psychotext #40 4 years ago

    @squarejawhero: Kids are only just getting their sunny d after school. Give it a few mins.

  • spekkeh #41 4 years ago

    He sounds like a whiney kid. Is he supposed to be an industry bigwig? What happened to putting respectable civilized people at high places?

  • Buztafen #42 4 years ago

    @ SeesThroughAll -" The friends list integration across all games?.....

    It IS integrated, all online games can access the friends list and set private matches...."

    Beg to differ bud, PES 08 has no friend intergation at all, and no PS3 game has the ability to send you into a game with a mate with 2-3 simple button presses....

    (Randomname wants to play, press to accept, press to join game, game loads, your in!)

    I play on both machines but online on the PS3 is like fucking a rusty cheese grater...so very VERY painful!!!
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:27

  • miiiguel #43 4 years ago

    mikeck, can you explain me why early 360's don't have warranty ?

    Wonga, I said that a few times, imagine 360 doing what PS3 does (doesn't) and vice-versa... PS3 would be ruling the world and 360 would be dead...
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:30

  • Mr_Brown #44 4 years ago

    Bit of a caty comment, but he has got a point. The gulf between the hype Sony built up and what they have actually delivered is enormous. So much so its embarassing for Sony. And they really have noone but themselves to blame, if they hadn't set expectations so high for the PS3, and tried to continue to dominate the market on hype alone, they wouldn't be seen right now has failure. That said, the PS3 is improving rapidily, and it has some awesome games on the way. But in comparison to how Xbox 360 has delivered straight away, its not good enough IMO. Hopefully Sony will learn from this from next Generation and not expect to get all the consumers by dazzling them with lies and software that won't appear for years.

  • kangarootoo #45 4 years ago

    http://st atic.howstuffworks.com/gif/home...

  • gareth886 #46 4 years ago

    Oooooh. It looks like handbags at dawn in the Microsoft and Sony camps.

  • Anthony_UK #47 4 years ago

    I have all 3, and I have to say that if it wasn't for strong playstation brand. Microsoft would of wiped the floor with them this time round.

    Yes my 360 does sound like a jet engine next to the PS3, and the build quality on the PS3 is far better. But from a gamers point of view, especially a gamer who spends alot of time online with friends etc there really is no contest.

    Come on Sony! we want games!!!! Motorstorm, Heavenly sword, Drakes Fortune........all great! but now i'm getting a little bored!

    Metal Gear in June is good, but what on the horizon after that? Killzone in 2009.

    I'm trying to convince myself that i've got value for money with me now owning a blu-ray player, but at £23 a disk i'm having a hard job of it!

    .......all I want is a game from sony that betters Twilight princess on my £170 wii! then i'll feel like i've got my moneys worth!

    Edited by 2 at 09/05/08 @ 16:38

  • rick_x #48 4 years ago

    I have a PS3 (my 360 died the day I got it and went straight back) but I have to agree with what the man says. Sony and SCEE in particular are so inept it's unbelievable. Forget sixaxis, chip removals, 40Gb UK models vs 80Gb US, look at this week - they herald two updates to the PSN (as if that's going to make up for all the delays and poor content on the European PSN) and then, as soon as Kaz is out the door, they forget to put up one of the demos THEY so loudly shouted about.

    Add this to the 'statement' Threespeech said we were supposed to receive about the poor state of the PSN, the 'big surprise' we were supposed to get after the store redesign and frankly I don't think SCEE knows it's arse from it's elbow.

    Oh and shame on Eurogamer for just printing a press release (from SCEE) without checking it - you should know by now to take anything they say without a large pinch of salt.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:39

  • TONYgr #49 4 years ago

    he is right.promises,promises,promises.

  • SeesThroughAll #50 4 years ago

    All of this is absolutely true and the difference with MS is when the hardware problems became clear they offered a 3 year warranty at the cost of $1bn.

    No, a lot of it is true, but not all.

    The differences between MS and Sony, however, are the following: MS are trying to enter a market where they're not dominant yet, nor where they can count on help from IBM to muscle in virtually for free.

    Sony, unlike MS, do not hold a monopoly in ANY kind of market that might help them pay the expenses.
    They may sell many different things, such as mp3 players (VERY late to the party there), CD, DVD (and now Blu-Ray) players, but there is not one single market where they hold a 90%+ market share. Especially none nearly as lucrative as the OS market. Taking this into consideration, 1 billion dollars are a small fee to pay for what the generous company will get in return.
    In the meantime, every year smaller companies pour hundreds of billions of dollars into Microsoft "solutions", virtually without a choice, because the barrier of entry into any market controlled by MS is unsurpassable.

    Sony continuously lie and cheat their way into consumers hearts and too many consumers suck it up because of the success of the PS2.

    Of course, Sony are the first company in history to lie to consumers, and indeed how cruel they are when they promise so much and deliver so little in things that are so important to our lives, such as videogames consoles.

    Anyone remember when the PS3 was going to have 6 USB ports, and support for 7 controllers, and a worldwide launch, and every console would be backwards compatible, and there would be a huge 1080P games library because the real next gen only starts when Kaz says it does...all bullshit.

    You forgot the dual HDMI output and a very common favorite among those who take themselves too seriously, "4D".
    It DOES support 7 controllers, though.

    There's better things to be angry about, that's all I can tell you.

  • mikeck #51 4 years ago

    @ miiiguel

    Back when they were first released they only had a year warranty - that's what I meant sorry, I confused what I said with that mistake...oops.

    Anybody who had the RROD outside of the one year warranty were buggered (unless they took the trading standards route and returned to the retailer - who are obliged to take back any faulty electrical item within SIX YEARS...I used to work customer service for Virgin Megastores and used to liaise with Trading Standards quite often, this six year timeframe is unsurprisingly a very little know fact, but the law and 100% true).

  • lennon #52 4 years ago

    As a not to disgruntled PS3 owner I cant argue with a thing he says. PS2 games make up most of my PS3 time and the nipper watches Cars in BR (stunning btw) other than that I rarely use it but Im happy I have one as its a 60gb BC enabled one.

  • ronuds #53 4 years ago

    It's great how every MS hater takes any opportunity they can to mention RRoD, even though it has nothing to do with the conversation.

    Oh, and of course everyone's on their 100th console.

  • mexalen #54 4 years ago

    Well, he got a point...

    But actually he sounds like a pissed PS3-Owner. I know what they sound like, met lots of them. Seems like there are no other...

    Anyway, someone knows what happened to the Wii, that outsells every other console? It Greenberg still applying the stance, that Wii is no real nextgen-console? (Which might actually be true, but thats beside my point.)
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 16:48

  • mikeck #55 4 years ago

    "It's great how every MS hater takes any opportunity they can to mention RRoD, even though it has nothing to do with the conversation. "

    I fucking LOVE my xbox, I was pointing out the RROD merely as a point that not all of those 5 million extra sold over the PS3 will be brand new buyers, some of them are bound to be replacement consoles. That was all.

  • miiiguel #56 4 years ago

    mikeck , np mate, I have a day one 360 and I'm still waiting for those rings I heard so much about it, and I thought for some reason I would be out of luck if they spawn.

    On this "brand passion" thing, I should say that I have no love for MS os (Win) and I my pc at home uses SuSE (and now a XP vm but just for Zune's sake), but..., 360 got me into gaming hard alover again. A real passion for games spawned, the quality, the Live integration, friends from alover the world (mainly UK), it's been 2 great years videgaminh-wise and for that I must praise 360.
    Regarding Sony, I had the same passion (although diferent, mainly because it was a "offline" one, but great nevertheless), then came PSP..., underwhelming, and I have serious issues with "dead pixels" - traded twice, and the 3rd one still had 3 dead pixels and Sony refused to trade it again, argumenting a shody EU directive that states LCD's can have up to 5..., I was pissed. But still I hold no grudge, and if PS3, sometime shows a reason for me to buy it, I'll do it.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 17:02

  • Darren #57 4 years ago

    What Microsoft say is true but then Sony did the same with the PS2, overhyping its pretentiously named Emotion Engine and that didn't stop it going on to sell 125+ million and having loads of great games. I expect a lot of people believe Sony's PS3 propaganda too and despite commanding a price point far higher than that of the 360 or Wii, it isn't selling too badly. Once the machine drops to a sub-£200 price point I've no doubt it'll go on to shift millions more units, especially as Sony plan on it being around for another eight years. I doubt Sony will ever change their ways because so far what they've done seems to work well for them. The only thing stopping the PS3 from being a bigger success right now isn't the lack of games or the failed promises, it's simply the high price IMO.

  • ronuds #58 4 years ago

    @ Mikeck

    My comment wasn't necessarily directed at you. There are 10 or 20 RRoD comments.

    Anyhow, a replaced console doesn't count as another one sold. MS replaces RRoD for free, so I don't understand why people would be buying new ones if theirs died?

  • mikeck #59 4 years ago

    @ ronuds

    No worries man, I just wanted to ensure people knew I wasn't banging on about the RROD.

    The point I may not have described properly was that if somebody's day one console crashed outside of the one year warranty Microsoft didn't used to replace them (obviously now they;ve lengthed the warranty) , therefore if people bit the bullet and bought a new one those replacements would be included in the 5 million, but thinking about that will be a very, very small percentage anyway. So it probably wasn;t even worth me mentioning :)

    Edited for too quick typing and lots of mistakes.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 17:08

  • Ali_sdf_pwn3d #60 4 years ago

    omg, cud he talk n e more shit?/ ps3 rules and is kicking xbox arse, ps3 has sold like 30 million!! xbox360lol!!!!

  • ronuds #61 4 years ago

    @ Mikeck

    See Confounder's reply directly above yours for an example of what I was talking about.

    In the beginning, MS would fix your console for a price if it was out of warranty. The price, of course, being less than a new console. So I'm sure there are some who got a replacement, but like you said, a very small %.

  • Vin #62 4 years ago

    "Playstation 3 is a better system then Xbox360 in every way and he knows it. It is now delivering on games as well."

    Eh?

  • Killerbee #63 4 years ago

    Nice rant. And he does have a point. Or rather, several.

    The Playstation 3 story has been a long string of broken promises since the beginning - particularly so in Europe where we've never had the full PS2 backwards compatibility Phil Harrison went on record as saying Sony was committed to delivering for long-time followers of the "brand" of Playstation.

    The treatment of European consumers has been a disgrace - we had the longest wait for the machine's launch, then we got highest prices for the fewest hardware features and we're still waiting for our Dualshock 3s and our 80GB models - assuming they ever come over here at all. The "Third Place" joke has worn thin a million times over, but Sony are still treating Europe as the poor relation in this global market.

    That said, Microsoft's RRoD debacle and the driving/shooting emphasis of 360 games has hardly endeared them to consumers outside of the core gaming crowd. It says something that I can feel so angry at Sony's attitude yet still want a PS3 (at some point in the future), whereas I have absolutely no desire to buy a 360, primarily because I can play almost all of the best 360 games on my PC.

    The only company that has got it mostly right is Nintendo - the market leader in this generation, and rightly so. Yeah, Europe has been mistreated insofar as we've had to wait a long time for the likes of Super Paper Mario and Super Smash Bros Brawl, but then we did get Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit before the Americans, so they're just about managing to treat the regions with a sense of balance. It's a great shame Sony and Microsoft seem more intent on verbally slugging it out with each other and continue to ignore the approach taken by Nintendo.


  • miiiguel #64 4 years ago

    but... but... I just want to play games! either it be on a Xbox 4196, or a PS2...

    and evildude, Home is that freaking far? Your loosing your faith in Sony!

    I also find it funny how some of you guys talk about this systems as they are the price of a car or a house. I mean, I couldn't imagine myself not buying a 360 this gen, or a PS2 the gen before, it sounds weird even just thinking about it.
    Edited by 2 at 09/05/08 @ 17:27

  • Madlax #65 4 years ago

    @SeesThroughAll

    Good post.

    At the Playstation day event i believe, Sony showed sales chart that shows that the PS3 LTD passed the 360 LTD in europe, Greenberg cant simply make claims without proper figures.

    As long as Microsoft remains to have a monopoly over the OS market, they will have endless funds to force themselves in every market. millions of unaware people pour billions into microsofts pocket because they are unaware of the alternatives to windows, and some dont even realize they are forced to 'pay' for windows with every OEM computer.

    This must stop, its all a matter of spreading awareness, thankfully both Linux and macOS are slowly but steadily eating into Windows market share, Vista has made the job this much easier.

    The only reason why microsoft entered the gaming market is to protect their monopoly, which is exactly why it hurts me watching euros supporting the 360, not realizing that they are helping keep the monopoly over their computers, their companies and their pockets.

    I still hope for a day where people can choose computers free of windows in every point of the world, i can see it eventually happening. lets hope it doesnt take long.










  • Gaol #66 4 years ago

    I'll expand on 'well said' now I'm back from work.

    The Sony hype machine wasn't the reason I bought my PS3 from the US way back in 06, but it is partially the reason I don't own a 360. I'm not going to whinge about the machine cause its proved rock solid, I've played lots of great games on it (including missed PS2 rpg imports), and I have a region A bluray for the forseeable. This is what I paid for.

    But... only a few months after I considered a 360 because the Live integration and achievements system appealed to me, I've been playing on PC for years and love online stuff. Of course Sony announced Home at this time and implied that it would include an 'achievements' trophy system, so I never bothered. And I've considered it many times since, but its always a case of 'Home is around the corner, lets wait for that first'.

    Interestingly the other factor that stopped me was the reliability issue, which is mentioned here mainly by 360 users and not PS3 fans. But thats a whole other argument.

    The guy devolves to marketing speak a bit, but the central point of it being difficult to compete with 'promises' I think is very fair.

  • Rirekon #67 4 years ago

    @ Confounder;
    Yes Vista, that well hyped update for the Xbox... WHUT?!

  • miiiguel #68 4 years ago

    Madlax, christianity is stupid, comunism is good! comunism is good!

    Anyway, we all figure it out right now, the real issue is not what 360 is worth, the thing is an agenda anti-ms. Let it go mad, let it go, you had your choice, but the Berlin wall fell and Marx died.

    Sony funded the Republican guy in US, btw, not Hilary, nor Obama... ;)
    Edited by 2 at 09/05/08 @ 17:32

  • GamesConnoisseur #69 4 years ago

    I can understand the point of going on about RROD and unreliability as after all if your HDTV breaks down, and get replaced every so often you would get pissed.

    We know that MS reputation have been harmed pretty much permanently, I know there are still those who complained theirs RROD recently. I gave my console a right good use to date, lucky me that it happened only got replaced once in x hours I played on it and fine since. What we do expect is that MS to sort the issues, after 33 percent or so quoted failure rate for the first batch until they owned up and set up $1 billion for the problem.

    Rightly that we hold MS to account for that goddamned fiasco.

    Now, Sony...
    ... they fubared it up big way by simply over promising and under delivering, more so in Europe. With 40 gb hd which PS3 owners if they are honest to hell, will know is no way to accept with PS3 reliance on installations and compare with US PS3 owners? I am fast using up my 250 gb hdd!

    The other promises, True HD only starts with PS3!!, Many more promises as mentioned in the article and comments. We should all accept by now that Sony's intergrity with their promises are probably as bad as MS's hardware reliability or worse!

    There are rationality for us to act to protect the consumer's interest, we gave them our money on the strength of what is expected from the product.

  • Feanor #70 4 years ago

    "Back when they were first released they only had a year warranty - that's what I meant sorry, I confused what I said with that mistake...oops."

    It was 90 days in the States.

  • miiiguel #71 4 years ago

    Any consumer electronics device in Europe has to have 2 year warranty. Nothing to do with Vista..., or Sony promisses. It is what it is.

  • Nuggie #72 4 years ago

    He's got a point about the broken promises

  • jovus #73 4 years ago

    Who the hell is this guy? why didn't they take an iterview from me? i mean, its just some random guy who is pissed at sony for letting his company lead? really fking smart..

  • Kryon #74 4 years ago

    Here's a song that Sony and the SDF should <a href=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uyKb_zu5dOE&feature=relat ed>enjoy! ;-)</a>

  • Xerx3s #75 4 years ago

    I bet this guy likes t3h gh3y pr0n. ;p

  • miiiguel #76 4 years ago

    Mad and SeeThroughAll are mixing politics with video-games, which is fair (Marx did say everything is politics, but I don't believe him anymore...), but that's not my thing. I'm not going not to buy a 360 because I read in the internet MS is evil, I'm sorry.
    I'm still a friendly dude.

  • Madlax #77 4 years ago

    "Madlax, christianity is stupid, comunism is good! comunism is good!"

    Actually, 'capitalism' is good. christianity can burn for all i care. ;)

    One of the principles of 'capitalism' is competition, which is clearly violated by Microsofts monopoly over the OS market. thus there is no real 'growth' in the OS market and Vista is a clear showcase for this.




  • miiiguel #78 4 years ago

    Madlax, it's just come lyrics from Negativland, lol. I dug that shit when I was younger. No offense please.

  • Xerx3s #79 4 years ago

    "Who fucking cares who wins. "

    /strangles
    /gusts
    /miniguns

    Well, it isn't you, that's for sure. :D

  • Ryze #80 4 years ago

    @smelly

    aRE YOU A yANK?

    nO WAY!

  • Kryon #81 4 years ago

    Smelly is a wank(er) but he's not American. His parents moved there, he had no choice but to go with them because he's always lived in his mummy's house, even though he's pushing 40. :'(

  • GitSomE_UK #82 4 years ago

    God this fanboy baiting and cock measuring just bores me to death.

  • Feanor #83 4 years ago

    "thus there is no real 'growth' in the OS market and Vista is a clear showcase for this."

    What do you mean no growth? Vista uses a lot more RAM than XP.

  • ronuds #84 4 years ago

    Now the argument has shifted to their OS?

    This has become the random hatred of MS comments section. I'm loving every minute of it, of course, because instead of addressing PS3's shortcomings and empty promises (which was the topic of the article), we've moved on to attacking Vista. I believe it's called "grasping at straws", but you can put any name you'd like to it.

    Lots of Laughs!!!

  • miiiguel #85 4 years ago

    360 has great games, but Vista sucks! So PS3 rulez!

    errrr... okeee...

  • Kryon #86 4 years ago

    "I believe it's called "grasping at straws"

    Ronuds, mate, you have to understand that when you own a PS3, games are scarce, so playing the 'grasping at straws game' is often the only form of enjoyment the poor lil guys can get. Straws also come with R3AL HD and built in AA, something that PS3 games don't seem to be able to manage :'( Let the poor SDF have just the smallest bit of dignity, Have a heart man! ;-)

  • Freeman01 #87 4 years ago

    @Anthony_uk

    Mate you need to shop round for your Blu-rays, try http://www.movietyme.com and start importing mate. I rarely play £23!

  • betahoven #88 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:36:16 17-12-2011

  • Kryon #89 4 years ago

    The thing is, regardless of who's saying it, it really is kinda old hat anyway. We all know Sony are a bunch of bullshitting tossers, didn't stop me buying (and actually liking) the PS3, but I think why the guy is actually upset and ranting is because Sony's lies have been detrimental to 360 sales (as intended, I'm sure) but I do see his point. I just hope MS don't use this underhanded tactic the next time they release a console, "Yeah guys, it does teh 5D and will touch your willy in HD" etc...

  • NickD7 #90 4 years ago

    I agree with Aaron Greenberg , Delay after delay and broken promises and pipe dreams, PS3 is nothing like Sony promised all those years ago at E3.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 19:00

  • des #91 4 years ago

    ^^
    But Sony fanboys seem to like it that way...

  • Kryon #92 4 years ago

    ^^

    What, you mean up the bum? ;-)

  • des #93 4 years ago

    ^^
    No comment,lol

  • TriggerHippie #94 4 years ago

    Its great that people have bought 360s and have had no problems with them. Seriously, that's how its supposed to be. But just because you've had a painless experience doesn't mean that the many people who have had their fingers burned by MS and their 360s shouldn't be allowed to give testimony to the fact. You may be sick of people talking about RROD but all I'm seeing here is people explaining that while the PS3 may not be perfect, and whatever you think of Sony's hyperbole, a lot of gamers have ended up owning one after giving up on the 360.

    Its got nothing to do with fanboys or whatever the hell you want to call them today. Its that whatever you make of Sony's promises, there's nothing so empty as the promise of a kick ass games machine that just doesn't work anymore. I loved my 360, but its hard to love something that's spent 12 months in the bloody post.

  • bonker #95 4 years ago

    "That and you can almost gaurantee microsoft will be announcing the xbox 360 2 (or whatever) by the end of the year.. "

    The end of next year ...

  • morriss #96 4 years ago

    I don't understand how anyone can have an issue with any of it, tbh. Most PS3 owners I know feel the same way. Sony simply haven't delivered on any of it.

    It doesn't make it a 'bad' machine and it doesn't mean the 360 is 'better' either. It's just that every point he makes is pretty spot on, although he could have chosen to word it a little better.

  • penhalion #97 4 years ago

    It just sounds to me like MS are pissed at basically having to compete with a ficticious console. The point he seems to be trying to make is that they were forced to compete with a version of the PS3 that never saw the light of day. What makes it worse is that Sony then continued to lie by dangling such things as Home and KillZone 2 at gamers.

    I use my PS3 largely for blu-ray movies and have only really played Drakes fortune and Persona 3 on it in the last 4 odd months. A good console it may be but, superior to everything else it most certainly never was. It's time for sony to come back to reality and create great games for it. It certainly doesn't help when developers like Kojima admit they too were duped into thinking they could achieve more on the machine than they actually could. Sony now need to start telling the consumers the truth and clawing back some trust.

  • ronuds #98 4 years ago

    +1 penhalion

    Thank you for giving me faith in the human race!

  • morriss #99 4 years ago

    penh: Sony don't have to. People are buying the console anyway. They don't seem to care about any of it.

  • seasidebaz #100 4 years ago

    you know what, i'm bored of this shit now.

    who cares? seriously, who honestly cares about all this spin that the companies are giving? put your hands up now and own up to being a lifeless shit...

    this fanboyism is taking new levels that, frankly, are driving me away from reading these sites anymore. i used to like eurogamer, people accepted opinion, but not any more. the 360 fanboys try and look intelligent about technical issues they have no experience, or comprehension, of. the ps3 fanboys just shout RROD! RROD! i mean wtf? get over yourselves! go outside! get laid! do something other than getting attached to a few pieces of silicon in a metal and plastic box for fuck sake! you know, there is a life outside other than being friends with "xxbigboobies12xx" or "JeanLucPickard32901", you know REAL people that you can share OTHER interests with. of course, that requires you to have a PERSONALITY. and no, you can't buy one of those from [link url=http://www.iwantoneofthose.com.]http://www.iwantoneoftho se.com.[/link]

    this generation of consoles, far more than others, has bred the most idiotic, argumentative, egotistical shits i can ever imagine having the misfortune of meeting. and i haven't met any of you.

    fair enough, some people are great. calgon REALLY knows his shit, but he's a huge geek (kudos, calgon). the people on my friends list, and you know who you are, are all sound. or they wouldn't be on my friends list. oh, and darren, you're great too. it's the other people, who are too quick to shout fanboy, who then go on to try and defend something that DOESN'T AFFECT THE REAL WORLD!!! talk about something to do with a kettle and a pot... i mean 0.8fps difference in a game? yeah, great, now go tell that to the pretty girl at the bar and see what happens.

    gaming is meant to be a pleasurable pastime, but when people start saying that i'm a chav just because i own a ps3, or a fanboy because i like a game on the ps3, that REALLY gets my back up. i have been gaming for over 20 years, and have no intention of stopping, but gaming to me is a HOBBY, it is not my life.

    and the next person to quote completely IRRELEVANT sales figures is going on my ignore list. knobs.

    sorry to blow my top here, but it's been coming for a while now...

    enjoy the rest of your day, normal service from seasidebaz will resume shortly...

  • seasidebaz #101 4 years ago

    @penhalion: does persona3 work on a uk 60gb console? as it looks very interesting...

  • Gibroon #102 4 years ago

    A lot of what he said is quite true, I have had my PS3 from (almost) launch and there has been a load of delays, LBP, Killzone2, Home, Haze and others. When I bought my PS3 I certainly didn't believe the hype of the PS3. I felt it was very similar to the 360 in terms of power but the all in one box approach is what I liked about it(less cables for add-ons etc).

    I think it was morriss who said in another thread that if the 360 had been more reliable, it probably would have thrashed the PS3 up to now. It certainly would have got my money.

    For all it's trouble with delays and port problems, I really enjoy my PS3 which is what really gets on my tits about all this "my console is better than yours shit". The fact is, I'm enjoying my PS3 and a MS rep having a dig at Sony is not going to suddenly make me decide all my games are shit and I'm not enjoying myself. XBL is far better integrated than PSN, there is no doubt about it and Sony are going to be hard pushed to get anywhere close to it but at the moment, it is does a job.

  • morriss #103 4 years ago

    Wasn't me who said that Gibroon. Sony was always going to sell more over 5 years than the Xbox 360. It's good now though that they've got competition, however. However, on the other hand, if they can outsell the 360 for the last two months running without all the things mentioned in this article, then why should they bother hurrying to implement them? People buy it anyway. They just don't care.

  • seasidebaz #104 4 years ago

    @tirer:

    thing is, i understand it. and it's good stuff. calgon might appear to spout bs, but if you actually knew the stuff he is talking about, it makes sense. although yeah, he is a fanboy, but he speaks in volumes that most people cannot hear.

  • Grayvern #105 4 years ago

    People in glass houses and all that really.

    There have been some pretty choice press releases from both Microsoft and Sony. Just because Sony are better at spin is no reason to get apoplectic.

  • GitSomE_UK #106 4 years ago

    @seasidebaz

    +1

    That's exactly what I wanted to say but was to exasperated by the rise in corporate fanaticism that seems to be pervading everywhere.

  • VMerken #107 4 years ago

    Hiss! Meow! *Scratch* Snarl!

    Seriously. Could someone tell Nintendo to get the hose out or something?

  • Gibroon #108 4 years ago

    @ morriss
    sorry for the misquote, it is true that people are buying the PS3 regardless of all it's faults due to the playstation brand. The majority of purchasers really aren't as clued up as forumites and will buy not really knowing what is coming up.

    A friend of mine who is into gaming in a fairly big way, hadn't seen any footage of LBP until I showed him recently, therefore he isn't bothered about the continual delays. The same could be said about Home, which is a feature I wasn't really bothered about when I got my PS3, I would rather have the elusive in-game XMB.

  • Grayvern #109 4 years ago

    In the past i've been guilty of fanboyism and buying a lot of this but there really is not point.

    The only important thing is that neither Microsoft or Sony win, competition is crucial for reducing the pricepoint for the single console consumer that makes up the vast majority of sales. (not that I in any way support the capitalistic system or anything)

    Microsofts monopoly can be a good thing sometimes, windows 98 anyone.
    Sony's hardware engineer management and philosophy can produce things like the new Walkman NWZ A818

    The long life of the PS3 should also be encouraged in the market to prevent Microsoft doing what it seemingly wants, and that is reducing the console lifecyle.



  • davisorle #110 4 years ago

    This dude just said all what i've been saying for a few years now. Sony is full of it promising so much shit and ppl paying for i and not even complain for not getting any of what they expect. Well so much for your IQ. Intelligence is a privillage which many gave up for their PS3. Well goodluck waiting some more for your exclusives lol hahahaa Peter La Looser

  • Grayvern #111 4 years ago

    Most people who've bought PS3s may have bought them based on brand loyalty however that doesn't make stupid it makes them someone who doesn't perhaps care as much about gaming as you davisorle, I, and all the people on this forum do and are less informed.

    Its a shame then because ironically, given your statement, davisorle they're probably better and more intelligent people than you are. Hell many of them probably mores so than me as well.
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 21:25

  • penhalion #112 4 years ago

    @seasidebaz

    Yep works perfectly on the 60gb model. As do most PS2 games I have in my collection.

  • seasidebaz #113 4 years ago

    i really wish people would actually read my post, only to be expected though i suppose... have a rant, get ignored, such is the eurogamer way...

  • seasidebaz #114 4 years ago

    @pen:

    wicked! buying now...

  • Grayvern #115 4 years ago

    Yeah props to your vitriol seasidebaz.

    As a side note Blade Runner Blu Ray totally worth it.
    Edited by 2 at 09/05/08 @ 21:42

  • seasidebaz #116 4 years ago

    grayvern: ??? reallly worth it or sarcastic worth it?

  • Psychotext #117 4 years ago

    @Grayvern: MS has no intention of reducing the console lifecycle. Last gen they had no choice but to bail out early because Nvidia and Intel had them over a barrel and they couldn't cost reduce the console. Expect them to join Nintendo on a 5 year release cycle this time around (Sony has a 6 year release cycle).
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 21:44

  • ronuds #118 4 years ago

    I don't think MS is looking to reduce the average console lifespan. That would only result in more losses and consoles seem to make the most money closer to the end of their life. Not to mention that R&D costs every couple years would make entering the console race a complete waste of time.

  • Gibroon #119 4 years ago

    @ seasidebaz

    Your rant pretty much summed up what I feel a lot of the time.

    +1

  • Yaz #120 4 years ago

    Psychotext wrote: "MS has no intention of reducing the console lifecycle...."

    Agreed, plus the XBox was late coming to the market last gen, arriving a full 18 months after the PS2 was launched in Japan. MS didn't want to be late again this gen, therefore to launch it on time (5 years and 8 months after the PS2 launch) the lifecycle of the XBox had to be cut short. There is absolutely no reason for the lifecycle of the 360 to be cut short in this way, therefore we will not see the next console from MS until late 2010-2011 at the earliest.

  • Grayvern #121 4 years ago

    Blade Runner DVD was early and a crap encode, the Blu-Ray brings a lot of stuff i didn't notice before and the color really adds atmosphere the green and blue are there much stronger and also it actually has a proper surround track , its also been remastered.
    But id look online for cheapness. And its not explicit enough that with the 2 disc version that the documentary is in SD, although its a documentary so its not that much hastle.

    Your probably right Psychotext, my bad. Not thinking alltogether at full capacity had a 2 hour understanding society exam, still dont get why the uni ones have to be so damn early in the year.
    Edited by 2 at 09/05/08 @ 22:05

  • seasidebaz #122 4 years ago

    @grayvern:

    ta, i will look at it :)

    rant still applies though...

  • TriggerHippie #123 4 years ago

    Grab the US Blade Runner blu ray version for the 5 disc goodness.

  • J.C #124 4 years ago

    That fucking killzone trailler! lying cunts.

    The End.

  • seasidebaz #125 4 years ago

    i give up.

    fucking fanboys.

    see you all when you grow up. (jc)

    i can't be arsed anymore. i pour out my soul and nobody really cares... with the exceptions of those who gave me +1...




    fanboys suck cock!

    and with that, i'm out

    edit: p not o
    Edited by 1 at 09/05/08 @ 23:18

  • Calgon #126 4 years ago

    I am shocked that this hasnt been met with posts from angry Sony fans who dont like what they hear... and pleasantly suprised it hasnt actually, Ive been saying this for years about how Sony operates in the console industry.

    "... (kudos, calgon)." ...

    If you call posting a load of barely comprehensible bs and so-called technical facts to back up his fanboy opinion, then I'd agree.

    @ tirer: Sorry but who the fuck are you? lol

    .......

    @Baz +1 from me too, Im starting to wonder was it ever this nasty in the console industry between opposing fans? Its contageous though every now and then you find yourself in one of those arguements... everyone's been called a fanboy simply for their preference and their veiws. Trolls on the other hand can fuck off lol do they ever have any intention other than attacking or winding up "the traitors of the one true kings" when they enter threads about a console they have no interest in?
    Edited by 1 at 10/05/08 @ 00:09

  • Calgon #127 4 years ago

    Ah there we go... if I'd just waited a couple more minutes... :D

  • Psychotext #128 4 years ago

    I was waiting for him to turn up. Padding my ignore list is a fun game to play!

  • Calgon #129 4 years ago

    I'm confused about the 5 million figure too now that people have mentioned it.

    Here's the actual quote:

    "Xbox 360 has a 5-million-unit console sales lead on a global basis based on most recently public reported data from both companies."


    When were the latest MS figures? Perhaps Sony's are more recent?

    No doubt MS will fight back with their own recent figures at their next event... does that really work when they are this close though? They are both garenteed continued support especially 360... it has too many million plus sellers to ignore and its easier and cheaper to develop for at the entry point than the PS3(but wii probably has the both beat easily on that mark), its a safe bet for me. Just as soon as Jasper 360s are available if I can hold out.

    I doubt MS will be in a rush for a new console... they are making profit and console launches are VERY expensive, its not likely IMO, I expect theres a good few years in the 360 left yet.(dont compare this to Xbox the market has changed along with MS' position)
    Edited by 2 at 10/05/08 @ 00:24

  • Calgon #130 4 years ago

    I think they are talking shipments personally... which come from their end of quarter reviews. I'm just not sure if theres a new one due soon for MS or not as that would explain it if so.
    Edited by 1 at 10/05/08 @ 00:32

  • Calgon #131 4 years ago

    Headbog then that would mean he got the figure wrong yes? Because its more than 5 million based of the latest publicly announced data?

  • Sevens #132 4 years ago

    Oh please. No one promised that launch games would be like that or that all these features would be there from day one. Someone seems to 'forget' their 12 - 16 (+) months, RROD-ing, lead as well. Although supporting HD-DVD really ended up showing that it is the superior format. I mean was.

  • juuken #133 4 years ago

    Oh my, then I should sell my PS3 then and get a crappy system that has more chances of breaking, and lost to blu-ray!
    Seriously Greenburg (or whatever the f**ck your name is), shut the hell up.

  • juuken #134 4 years ago

    "I don't understand how Microsoft only has a 5 million unit lead over Sony now when back in January they announced the 360 had sold 18 million units and Sony's PS3 stood at 10.5 million units worldwide (roughly). Now three months later the PS3 has managed to reduce the lead by 2.5 million according to Microsoft yet they aren't worried, instead they're claiming that PS3 sales haven't increased?!? :?

    Am I missing something here? LOL"

    I agree Darren. MS is playing some dirty trick that we know nothing about.

  • napalm68 #135 4 years ago

    I'm a PS3 owner, and wouldn't touch a 360 due to their reliability issues. But you know what? I agree with him.

    I'd also like to ask why the fuck all my PS3 games have no antialiasing...

  • White_Westie #136 4 years ago

    I own both :-).

    Bought the ps3 for "Home" and the exclusives....

    Love the style of the machine and that it is quiet, (and for playtv in september) but Im still waiting for home and for a really drop dead gorgeous exclusive (not including drakes/rfom).....perhaps another year or so... after all I've waited this long so far...

    Seem to be buying stuff on my x360 at the moment, I am sure this will change later this generation as games get bigger (and i dont mean cgi)
    Edited by 2 at 10/05/08 @ 08:03

  • Xerx3s #137 4 years ago

    juuken & all the (semi) fanboys: The difference comes from sony announcing figures recently while ms's official figures date from January. As long as MS doesn't announce anything officially, he will quote the last official figures. Company policies 101.

  • Avaloner #138 4 years ago

    Shock news! Company bigwig slags opposition.
    In other news: The Pope is still Roman Catholic.

  • Grayvern #139 4 years ago

    and Ice cream still tasty

  • t8yman #140 4 years ago

    and this site attracts more and more fanboy wankers every day.

  • G3org3 #141 4 years ago

    Well there are a lot of things to say

    I will agree with the underdelivering part but i have so many excuses i could give which are pretty much the same
    as MS would say if it was vice versa

    If you have a multmillion issues with Immersion that you lost you be most likely get as much possible from SIXAXIS stock
    for damage control.
    If you promise 1080p games and your high ranked developers need 3+YEARS to develop games YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THEM IN 2008 anyways and my fear that MGS4 will have some issues hope to be proven wrong.

    other products with Cell is none of MS prob so he is just using it to enlarge the image of the problem.
    I will admit as did Sony itself the first year was a crappy one

    but if MS fought for Market dominance for almost a year alone on the shelves
    and a second year with the worst possible Sony presence in the market and are only 5 mil ahead
    i wouldn't be celebrating over that
    keep that up till 2009 and i ll be the first to shake your hand MS

  • oupe #142 4 years ago

    Where is the long-promised video store?
    Yes, where is it MS? Why only USA?

  • Psychotext #143 4 years ago

    oef!: I don't know what country you're in... but the video store is available in United States, Canada, UK, Ireland, France and Germany.

  • Nithron #144 4 years ago

    This has been Sony's strategy since the days of the PS2 though, hasn't it?

    They release after their competition, making sure that their main rivals are fighting not their actual console, but the hype surrounding it. An actual physical product can never manage to compare to a fictional one invented by Sony's press machine.

    This is basically what happened to the Dreamcast. Anyone remember all the crap Sony spread about the PS2? Showing off blatantly prerendered intros from Final Fantasy games as real-time footage?

    The sad thing is, it works. I've met two random casual gamers so far who've both been under the impression 360 is "shit" while PS3 is the second coming of Ken Kuturagi H. Christ. One of them trotted out some shit that so far only "9 per cent" of the PS3's potential has been used. He also thought the Killzone trailer was real.

  • Kryon #145 4 years ago

    @Sock of headbog

    "Wrong. I cant download CSI, Battlestar or any TV shows on the 360 anywhere"

    That's because you sold your 360 months ago. Well that's what you said (under your headbog UID). So either you're lying or you actually love the 360 so much that you bought another one.

  • dieseljunkie #146 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:42:38 15-12-2011

  • Psychotext #147 4 years ago

    @dieseljunkie: So when Sony comes out with the ultra-aggressive PR does that mean it's because they're losing too?

    No... it just means that PR people are PR people. Always will be.

  • djcool3005 #148 4 years ago

    [link url=http ://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Europe&cons2=PS3 ®2=Europe&cons3=X360®3=Europe&weeks=52
    ]http://vg chartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=W...[/link]

    The last 52 weeks (Year) of sales of the ps3, 360 and wii.

  • Psychotext #149 4 years ago

    I wondered when madeupchartz would make an appearance.

    [Edit - That's not to say the PS3 isn't outselling the 360 in Europe, I think it's clear it is. But that doesn't stop their numbers being completely pulled out of their asses]
    Edited by 1 at 10/05/08 @ 17:11

  • Lucien21 #150 4 years ago

    While nothing he said is entirely inaccurate it smacks of desperation from Microsoft.

    They keep going on about how there is 5 million more 360's sold. Well so what...they have been out a year longer than the PS3.

    They certainly have taken more of the market share from Sony in this generation, but they certainly havn't won it.

    Looking at the sales side by side from launch dates show a similar sales pattern up until recently when the PS3 seems to be now selling faster than the 360 did at the same point in it's lifestyle.

    So good PR speech from MS, but it is in vain.

  • Apostle #151 4 years ago

    I own a PS3 and I gotta agree with everything he said. I was sucked in by the hype at launch, I really, really regret buying a PS3 now, as I have since bought a 360 which all my mates have, I haven't barely touched the PS since.

  • Nige #152 4 years ago

    Hey Swam, if you're so sure you've made the right gaming choice, how come you have so much time to come on here and BORE THE LIVING SHIT out of everyone who couldn't give a toss?

    Go and play your 1 or 2 great games... and enjoy them.

    Or, actually buy (rather than lie about owning) a 360 and Bioshock, GOW, Halo, the one with the zombies etc. and indulge in the hobby you claim to enjoy.

    Otherwise, the more you post, the more EVERYONE else realises how utterly lame your (already unconvincing) argument is.

  • juuken #153 4 years ago

    farticusmaximus, don't even try running that by me. Sony has delivered, and they will continue to deliver. I am happy with my PS3...and to think I was going to get a 360?

    Hell freakin' no.

    I'm getting either a DS or a PSP.

  • Nige #154 4 years ago

    Lapped up by (millions of) idiots (and journalists). It's not my cup of tea either, but it appears to have won the populace vote, and continues to keep gamers happy on Xbox Live.

    Face facts; Sony wrote the book on over-promising and under-delivering. I know I'd be mighty peeved if I held off on a year and a half of great gaming, splashed out on a new PS3 at launch, and for what? This is the first Sony console I haven't bought... and unless some fairly impressive exclusives appear pretty quickly, then I'm not going to.

    So in the face of your compelling 'evidence' - does the fact that I don't currently own a console that offers me nothing new, prove I'm an 'Xbot'? Or that I'm not a strangely Sony obsessed fukwit..?

    Get over yourselves kids. This fear you have that you might not have 'the best console' (whatever that might mean) is starting to become a little bit scary.

    PS. Changing your mind about something isn't losing by the way. When reality finally comes knocking, you can always buy a 360, Wii or a PC and we won't think any less of you. We'll just be happy for you.

  • Velios #155 4 years ago

    I have both consoles.

    Love the 360 - XBOX live is just superb, and it's the main area where it beats sony's console hands down.

    The playstation 3 just doesnt have the volume of great games I expected to see. I have not played it since completing the excellent Drakes Fortune and decided to buy games like COD4 and GTA4 on the 360, purely because thats where my friends are at.

    After the fact I am also glad because there have been performance bugs and difficulties with those two games playing online.

    Come on Sony, this Microsoft guy just gave you some cold hard facts. Sort it out - the HOME on PS3 should be an XBOX live beater and it's way overdue.

  • Nige #156 4 years ago

    See... common sense exists!

  • schoozzzmmii #157 4 years ago

    As i've said in these forums before, I was a big fan of the original Xbox and had been loving the 360 since it was released. But recently i've been thoroughly screwed by Microsoft customer services. When the wireless racing wheel got recalled I sent mine back as per instructions. After six or seven calls to customer support over a period of a few months and with them telling me each time to be patient on the repair, finally a threat of court action caused them to say they'd never received it and that it must have been the fault of the courier. They have since been quite happy to see me out of pocket by 70 quid.

    After the way they've treated me I'm planning on getting a PS3 as soon as little big planet is released. The only thing that has me hanging on to my 360 is RezHD and Ikaruga which I really don't want to lose.

  • Nige #158 4 years ago

    Yeah - that critical acclaim is a bitch...

  • seasidebaz #159 4 years ago

    i can't believe that after my rant, this is still continuing.

    farticusmaximus: you are a knobhead. i can't even be bothered to think of an alternative for a fanboy such as yourself. you are one of the biggest fanboys i have ever seen. don't even try and justify yourself, you are a fanboy in every sense.

    epic are like id. they make a "game" in that they add something to their game engine. the "game" of gears of war is nothing more than a tech demo. and yes, i have played it. and ut3. they are both generic and lifeless.

    same as bungie. they only know how to make generic space shooters. so that's what they do. halo 3 was shite, no question about it.

    there are some absolutely cracking games on the 360, but certain people are proving that the 360 is the hunting ground of the chav. who likes halo 3 and gears purely because they were hyped to fuck, and people wasted money on them. they are average games, get over it.

    xbox live is not all that either. you pay £40 a year for advertising. don't even start on dedicated servers, because to be honest, there aren't any. psn has provided me with almost the same service at no cost. and i have used both, so STFU before you even start with fanboy comments.

    microsoft, as i haev been saying for ages now, are due a console out. j allard even said that a year ago. they have a serious problem in sony and nintendo, however, who have come in at different angles. microsoft don't know how to make games, simple as that. sure, they buy the best companies in the world to make games for them, but they are struggling. which is a shame because i like the 360.

    better luck next time, bill.

  • Yaz #160 4 years ago

    seasidebaz wrote: "there are some absolutely cracking games on the 360, but certain people are proving that the 360 is the hunting ground of the chav. who likes halo 3 and gears purely because they were hyped to fuck, and people wasted money on them. they are average games, get over it."

    They may be average games to you, but they are absolutely brilliant games to others (and the reviews reflect this). So I think it's rather pompous for you to look down on the people who like certain games as if you're somehow better than them. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, so I think that's something for you to get over and accept.

    "microsoft, as i haev been saying for ages now, are due a console out. j allard even said that a year ago."

    Microsoft are saying no such thing. The next console from them is not due until late 2010 - 2011 at the earliest. What makes you think it will be sooner?
    Edited by 2 at 11/05/08 @ 21:04

  • Psychotext #161 4 years ago

    Awesome. The ignore list keeps growing. =)

  • seasidebaz #162 4 years ago

    i'm not looking down perse, just saying they are overrated. especially gow.

    i can't find the quote from allard, but when the 360 came out he said that the research team were taking a year out before designing the next console, which would take a further 2 years to get to market. anyone who has followed this generation from the start would know that microsoft were aiming for a 3-4 year lifecycle for the 360. i have followed it from the start. i was part of mycolony.net, and gave some great input.

  • TravisTouchdown #163 4 years ago

    What a prick.

  • Penguinzoot #164 4 years ago

    @seasidebaz

    Peter Moore said last year that the expected lifecycle for the 360 was 6-8 years. Of course, that doesn't mean we won't see a successor before that time. And at any rate, any manufacturer has the right to extend/shorten product lifecycles (and modify system specs) at any time, and in response to market conditions.

  • Yaz #165 4 years ago

    Aspic wrote: "Yeah because reviews are always right."

    Of course reviews are opinions, but since Halo 3 averages about 93% and Gears or War 94% on sites like gamerankings, I think that's enough to show that they are quality games, whether you like it or not.

    There are numerous highly rated games which I don't like, but that doesn't make the reviews for those games wrong, it simply means I don't like the game as much as many others.

    "I think I've seen several reviewers already claiming that Halo 3 is a bit meh even after all the 97%s and 10/10s."

    Really? Do point out to your sources.

    The point is, there is not a single high profile game, movie, album, book etc that you can mention that someone doesn't like. Anything that is hyped, will have people saying it's overhyped. Even if the hype is lived up to or exceeded, there will still be people who say it's overhyped. Those are the facts

    So what's amusing in forums like this, are the number of people who try to force their OPINIONS on others. Hence instead of just saying THEY don't like a game, and perhaps was overhyped to them, they state it as if it were a fact, and insult others for liking it (as seasidebaz did in his post).

  • drumbaby #166 4 years ago

    Lying cnuts...just accept that your tiny lead is eroding, Msoft...and that your rushed-out console is unreliable shit with unreliable pricey online.

  • Yaz #167 4 years ago

    seasidebaz wrote: "i'm not looking down perse, just saying they are overrated. especially gow."

    You said "but certain people are proving that the 360 is the hunting ground of the chav. who likes halo 3 and gears purely because they were hyped to fuck, and people wasted money on them."

    Sure seems like looking down on people to me! ;)

    "i can't find the quote from allard"

    Gee, that's a surprise.

    " but when the 360 came out he said that the research team were taking a year out before designing the next console, which would take a further 2 years to get to market."

    He may have made reference to work starting on the next console (which happens early for ALL consoles), but he certainly would not have said when it will get to the market!

    "anyone who has followed this generation from the start would know that microsoft were aiming for a 3-4 year lifecycle for the 360. i have followed it from the start. i was part of mycolony.net, and gave some great input."

    Anyone who followed this generation with their eyes OPEN ( cough ;) ) would know that MS didn't want to be late again this gen. Their first console the XBox was late last gen, arriving a full 18 months after the launch of the PS2, and it hurt the XBox, just as it hurt Nintendo's GC which was also late, and just as it hurt the N64. So for MS, the only chance of gaining market share was to launch the 360 in time for this gen (November 2005 was 5 years and 8 months after the PS2 launch), therefore the XBox lifecycle was cut short by default, not because MS wanted a shorter console lifecycle!

    I mean come on, isn't it obvious? Sony completely dominated the last two generations. EVERY console launched after Sony built up momentum in the market has suffered as a result, so what makes you think it would have been a good idea for the 360 to launch at the same time or after the PS3 was launched? If the XBox lifecycle wasn't cut short, then the 360 would have launched late 2006 - 2007. After what we saw for the Playstation and PS2, the 360 HAD to launch when it did to have any chance of gaining market share.

    For someone who says he followed this generation from the start, I'm surprised none of this has occurred to you, and I'm especially surprised you believe MS plans to release a new console late this year or sometime in 2009 (3 - 4 years remember?).

    EDIT: Time to sleep now. Zzzzzzzzz
    Edited by 3 at 12/05/08 @ 00:12

  • Yaz #168 4 years ago

    Aspic wrote: "Hey - that sounds familiar doesn't it? Read your own posts Yaz."

    Try learning to understand what you read. Disagreeing with someone is not forcing your opinion on them.

    For example, I don't like the MGS series, I never have (and I doubt MGS4 will change my mind). So to me, it's not an enjoyable game series, but that doesn't mean the reviews are all wrong, or that the series is overhyped or that those who buy the games are stupid or chavs or lemmins who simply follow the crowd. Sure it may not be a good game series for me, but I can still appreciate it's quality and understand why some gamers love the series and why it gets such excellent reviews. That's completely opposite to the attitude you and seesidebaz express regarding Halo.

    So now, instead of avoiding the arguements, see if you can actually reply to the points I've raised regarding your post.

  • seasidebaz #169 4 years ago

    link pointing out microsoft want to launch in 2009-2010.

    that would put it 4-5 years after the 360 launch?

    like i keep saying, i like the 360. but open your eyes, this was never meant to be a long-lasting console. the trouble came from sony saying the ps3 would last 10 years, then the phenomenal success of the wii (which could last forever...) so the microsoft pr spinners had to respond by saying the 360 would last an equal amount of time.

    releasing next year / year after with a truly awesome console would put sony in a very bad place. do they respond with another console and cut short the life of the ps3? or do they continue to push a console that would be far FAR underpowered compared to a new microsoft machine? (rumoured to be looking at using an 18-50 core processor that ibm has been working on...)

    now that would be a great move by microsoft and would completely shaft sony. it may even cause them to drop out of the hardware game altogether. they are already losing money, this could be the nail in the coffin.

    edit: for clarity
    Edited by 1 at 12/05/08 @ 08:06

  • Yaz #170 4 years ago

    "link pointing out microsoft want to launch in 2009-2010."

    Thanks for the link, but the problem with that link is that it's Smarthouses' guess as to when the new console is due (they're considering the possiblility of the 360 being cut short like the XBox), it's not from Microsoft themselves (and you wouldn't expect them to make such an announcement now, for MANY reasons).

    "that would put it 4-5 years after the 360 launch?"

    Oh, and there I thought you said 3 - 4 years. ;)

    The fact is, it will be 5-6 years, the normal lifespan of a console.

    "like i keep saying, i like the 360. but open your eyes, this was never meant to be a long-lasting console."

    My eyes are open, it was not meant to be long lasting as in 10 years, no console was until Sony made that their intension with the PS3, but only because they've had long lasting success with both the Playstation and PS2.

    "releasing next year / year after with a truly awesome console would put sony in a very bad place. do they respond with another console and cut short the life of the ps3?"

    No seasidebaz. You're making the same assumption that because Sony says the PS3 is to last 10 years, that their next console is to follow afterwards. This is NOT the case, the PS4 will launch in the same 5-6 year period specified (probably nearer to 5 years given the PS3 was delayed to market). Their plans for the PS3 remain completely uneffected by the next-gen battle between the new consoles to come.

    "(rumoured to be looking at using an 18-50 core processor that ibm has been working on...)"

    Possibly, which is another reason why I doubt such a CPU will be ready next year. Late 2010 onwards, yes, but as early as 2009, no.

    "now that would be a great move by microsoft and would completely shaft sony. it may even cause them to drop out of the hardware game altogether. they are already losing money, this could be the nail in the coffin."

    Sadly I have to disagree. Cutting short the lifecycle of the 360 will be MS shooting themselves in the foot. :|

    (Rushed reply, got to go to work... :))

  • seasidebaz #171 4 years ago

    sorry, i meant intel anyway not ibm

    here

    was just saying though, it would be a very good move imo. but keep the 360 alongside, obviously not just abandoning it.

    it would mean yet another headstart on sony, and could prove very useful for a push forward of the market, which i feel is stagnating in derivative tat and sequels.

    sorry my english is terrible today, brain's not working, not recovered from the weekend yet... was very drunk hehe

  • septimus #172 4 years ago

    I don't get the lack of games bit. I really don't. I have more for my PS3 than both 360 and Wii combined at the current moment.

    There is utterly fuck all worth buying new on 360 right now apart for GTA (and I got that for PS3). Looking at the release dates the next game I may get for 360 is Alone in the Dark and Gears 2, but other wise I stick with getting most things on PS3 as I know it's not going to fucking die as soon as I put a disc in (suffered 4 RROD's on my premium, switched it out for an Elite but don't risk using it until the big game releases).

    Hell, thanks to Wii Fit and my wife, the Wii actually gets more playtime than the 360 for once.

    I do like the tone of the article, because someone from MS said it, on EG it is obviously true and Sony rep is lying. They are both full of shit anyway.

  • miiiguel #173 4 years ago

    What are you stressing how does a console gen lasts? I mean..., is it the price of a house or a car? I say, the sooner the better, roll forward, fast!

    edit: check the latest 360 sales, sadly, it is becoming PS2. It might last 10 years after all...
    Edited by 1 at 12/05/08 @ 10:52

  • Yaz #174 4 years ago

    "sorry my english is terrible today, brain's not working, not recovered from the weekend yet... was very drunk hehe"

    Not recovered after getting drunk? Well, you'll get little sympathy from me, but I'm pleased you enjoyed your weekend. :)

    Regarding Intel, yes I remember reading about their roadmap for multicore processors, that's why on a technical level alone, I believe any time before late 2010 is going to be too early for the type of multicore CPU suggested to be ready for mass production.

    "was just saying though, it would be a very good move imo. but keep the 360 alongside, obviously not just abandoning it."

    Ok, fair enough, but I still see that as damaging to the XBox brand, since developers are likely to shift away from the 360 to the shiny new toy from MS instead, and gamers certainly wouldn't be happy about this, including those who bought a 360 at launch. :|

    (Ok, no one was looking so... back to work)

  • YourMessageHere #175 4 years ago

    "Waah waaah waah, my console is better than your console, yah boo sucks".

    I'm not religious but the phrase "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" comes rather readily to mind here, followed by wondering quite how bitching at your competitors is supposed to improve anything. Shut up and do something useful.

  • davisorle #176 4 years ago

    @septimus
    "Hell, thanks to Wii Fit and my wife, the Wii actually gets more playtime than the 360 for once. "

    Well thanks to WiiFit you might feel better for once and look good enough to take you off the fucking keyboard since you are no good behind it either.
    ( noone ask me about this. its personal. but ofc you can tranfer it and point it out for me to him. np with that. )

  • lordvitriol #177 4 years ago

    What a load of bull from a lieing bullsack speaking under orders, first off, the PS3 Home crap is for nongamers or atleast dont have anything to do with games, 2nd, Blueray pwnd u are you really gonna promote HDVD?, 3rd, Just because something sells better it doesnt mean its better I can agree that Xbox360 has more good games BUT why do you think Killzone2 is so dealyed? i think i like to think its cause they are aiming for something bettter graphicly than any of your Xbox360 CGI MOVIES can ever hope to produce.