MGS4 must sell 1m on day one
Exclusives under pressure.
Metal Gear Solid 4 has to sell over a million copies on day one if it is to be profitable, GamesIndustry.biz reports.
Still, game producer Ryan Payton is adamant it will not become multi-platform to recoup costs, and stands eagerly beside his old friend PlayStation.
"The PlayStation brand has always been good to us, and we're pretty bullish on the PS3," Payton told Reuters. "We're telling our fans that if you want to play Metal Gear Solid 4, you have to buy a PS3."
Reuters' report adds: "Payton said the new 'Metal Gear Solid' needs to sell over a million copies on the first day it goes on sale due to its costly production."
It is no secret rising development costs mean it is tougher to make money on exclusive titles these days, but PS3 has a particularly hard struggle as it hasn't sold as many consoles as its rivals.
Fantastically named IDC analyst Billy Pidgeon believes this new batch of games cost around USD 10 and 50 million to develop. Coo.
"You might be able to weather one title coming in at 500,000 in sales," warned Pidgeon, perched atop a power line. "But two or three failures like that and even big publishers are going to be hurting."
But Sony has looked into this miserable future and prepared against the demise of third-party exclusives by ramping up its own internal development. It now has 15 studios working on games, according to marketing boss Peter Dille, which is more than both Microsoft and Nintendo combined.
Apparently we will also see the same number of PS3 exclusives released between September 2007 and April 2008, too.
Dille added: "We understand publishers are needing to recoup their investment. From our perspective, as long as the games aren't going exclusive to other platforms, PS3 gamers are not actually losing anything."
What a wise old fellow.
Bringing it all to close is news that only two PS3 games have ever sold over one million copies, where as its older brother PS2 has had nearly one hundred surge over that mark. Still, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune at the end of next week, wink nudge.
Fact is a juicy meatball sitting atop a monotony of fiction-spaghetti, which is why GamesIndustry.biz eats only protein.
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Well except maybe some framerates and some high res textures.
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Isn't that a little bit like saying Joy Division sound a bit like Interpol?
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That said, I won't be buying a PS3 for MGS... I never found it a game worth buying a console for, with the exception of MGS1...
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Obviously being the careful chaps that we are, we already have it up an running on the 360 and it will be out next week with higher res textures a better frame rate and comes as a Box-set to hold all the discs."
EDIT there is no "i" in unfortu in ately lol
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Lulz @ PrayStation3
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@All others: my bad (about comparison with Splinter Cell).
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Not that I'm bothered, I've never liked MGS particularly.
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That's a pretty wide range, so much for the analysts then.
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Even the story was a bit, I dunno, flaky. Snake is probably one of the coolest characters in games ever though, so it gets some kudos for having him in it.
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The stories are just crazy now, like someone sketched out the whole plot and villans on the back on a napkin.
It's a same as MGS on PSOne was a great game.
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Myself, I will get my 360 stealth action from SC: Conviction, I'm really looking forward to Bourne-Like take they have in the new one.
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In the way that Interpol "makes sense" nowdays, while Joy Division hardly, yes. Without arguing both qualities.
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Being precisely what the advertising should focus on.
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Yes, they're both poo
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edit: @Greebo - that's genius!
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Nice, but no. "Subsustainance" would be the more apt title, wouldn't you agree?
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"We're telling our fans that if you want to play Metal Gear Solid 4, you have to buy a PS3."
What he's trying to say is "we've been told to tell our fans that you must buy a PS3. Please for the love of god buy one, they have my wife and daughter."
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What if it does sell 1 million but within the forst few days?? All a bit silly if you ask me.
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In fact, if MGS4 fails to make it to a million then I think that would mean Sony are pretty much sunk.
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"You might be able to weather one title coming in at 500,000 in sales," warned Pidgeon, perched atop a power line.
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I'm not convinced that MGS is the big hitter that it used to be though. It'll all depend on the reviews...
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If that is the case then MSG will need to do very well in US/Europe from day 1 rather than depending on Japan?
I disagree with others that the game is a mess, look what is Mass Effect? Big bulk of the game is based on conversations, thus for some there is a lot of 'cut scenes' to wade through though it is interactive rather than passive as in MSG. That said I am so much enjoying Mass Effect currently.
I enjoyed the whole series, and MSG4 is the main reason I bought PS3 and goddamn looking forward to it. If Sony eventually loses its exclusivity I doubt that it would be before 2009. Decision for that will not be made until well into 2008 and even then porting will take up time.
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1 million is not too ambitious. I'm not seeing why it wont do it. Halo did 3m, as far as I know. 1.8m in US alone.
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so there's lotts of potential for mgs4 to sell realy well.
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I wonder if and when the PS3 will break even
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they'd better release some trailers then? ... no wait
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Sad thing is that some sony die hard fanboys will each buy 10 copies of it, just to make sure the game gets closer to 1M and remains an exclusive.
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mgs3 sold 3.7 million with the install base of the ps2 at its peak and they want to sell 1 million of mgs4 on the first day on the ps3
what happened to Sony ?
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yeah in total
fact is mgs has gone from mainstream to hardcore - the dwindling sales figures from mgs1 to mgs3 is proof
mgs4 will be a great game but the only way to recoup cost is to cross platforms
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Keep the hope alive! Or just buy a PS3.
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Nice. Nice to know we've got their respect.
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What I'd really like is the fusion between the more-open-ended western gameplay mechanics and Japanese storytelling.. But please do leave my JRPGs alone!
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@cubby - What does that have to do with respect?
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It's all about respect, it's how to built a rapport with your customer. Just look what happened to Sony, they said fuck you to alot of people by way of lies and delays and root kits etc.. The PS3 isn't really doing as well as expected, is it? That's why, it is about respect.
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Everything you just says has no relevance to this situation.
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And we use the word gameplay very casual here.
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Easy to do if they do a global launch.
MGS4 is by far the biggest game of 2008 nothing will come close to it.
Peoples days of slagging the ps3 off are over just wait until you see motorstorm 2.
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Ohh and this all seems like bullshit,
''Good news sir, we've sold 5 million copies of MGS 4 over this launch week, 500'000 on day one, and a further 4.5 million over the last six days''
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''Nooooooooooooooooooooo, we're ruined!!!''
See, silly huh? This is all crappy PR talk.
Unless Sony have handed over mega bucks, Konami are just fucking silly keeping this as an exclusive.
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It's funny watching you all twist and turn between....."they are so stupid for not putting this on 360 waaaaaa....waaaaaa" and the smug "but, but....our user base is soooo this and blah blah blah"
....Then there's the guys who pretend to never really have paid much attention to it with the "Well, this game is below my standards....splinter cell this....watching cut scenes that"
Lets not forget the deer in the headlights group *shock* "They can't ignore us! They would be just stupid to not release it on xbox...just stupid i tell you, this will be on my 360...i knows it!"
Please continue.
Salt.....check!
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What absolute nonsense. This is a business. If it is the case that they will only release this for the PS3 it is because they have to e.g. exclusivity deal (could be other reasons).
More platforms you release a game on the larger the customer base which in turn gives you the chance to increase revenue.
There is rarely such thing as loyalty in this business (or any other for that matter). If you were a developer and had only one choice on which console you are to release on, which one would you pick? (be honest now
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There is a certain sense of irony in that line. ¬_¬
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For the same reason a 360 exclusive thread is full of Sonysuckers....cause they can
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MGS4 4 360 CONFURMED!
P.S: Why the hate for MGS in this place?
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Just wait until it's announced for the 360. I'll be there, waiting.
And at the end, there's gonna be lots of tears and puffy little mitts hammering keys in impotent rage.
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As I'm afraid I'm one of the guys who couldn't give a shit about MGS4, it could be released for the 360 tomorrow, and I wouldn't give it the time of day. (Stealthy, story driven malarky just isn't my bag)
I merely suggested that it was slightly daft, in a financial sense, of Konami to keep it as a PS3 exclusive, that is of course if Sony haven't already given them mega bucks for the priviledge.
Release a game to an install base of saaaay 8 million (by then) on just one format, or 23 million over the two, it's not rocket science to see what would be in their best interest.
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As for MGS, it may not be your cup of tea, but it has a large fanbase, and it consistently reviews excellently. (well, the main games in the series do)
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Splinter Cell for me is a better game, with less of those so over the top & silly stretched out movies.
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At lease by then there should be 10m PS3 units in homes so they should not have an issue selling 1m about 500,00 of those will be in Japan anyway!
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Most of MSG fanbase will probably have a PS3 anyway. Xbox hardcore fans are a different breed. (gung-ho and war mongers)
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Halo 3 sold 3 Million Units because of the strength of the Halo brand, Casual gamers knew that by buying Halo 3 they could load up, shoot some aliens and then beat the crap out of their friends online. Metal Gear Solid 4 is essentially Crank with a bit of gameplay in between for a breather, there's no mass market appeal there.
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That console also happened to have a crap load of AAA titles to choose from, PS3 doesn't, there will be a not insignificant number of people who buy MGS4 simply because there is nothing else for them to buy. Ok so it might end up on the pre-owned shelf a few days later but it was still sold.
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For the same reason a 360 exclusive thread is full of Sonysuckers....cause they can
To add my bits, its all simple maths, there are a hell lots more X360 owners than PS3 and thus reflected so in the traffic of posts.
PS3 owners still posts in X360 but on smaller scale (unless so encouraged to fight back and thus higher 'attach' rate of PS3 individuals and their posts?!)
However not forgetting that there are good number of us who are 'multi-plat' and thus should not be tarred as either Xbots/Sony fanboys. The simple act of having both/all consoles of course does not mean we are completely neutral.
We will continue to see the same situation and dont think we can moan about it, just accept it but make good arguments. The problem is often more to do with ability to take on the arguments!
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I'm just saying it would financially make sense for Konami to release it on more than one format, that's all, whether or not they do in the end? I couldn't care less.
As for being a fanboy, yeah I come across as slightly Anti-Sony now and again, but that's because they treated us all like cunts for far too long in this generation of consoles.
Other than that, at 25 yrs old, I have far too many real life worries, y'know actual important things, Bills, Girlfriend, Work etc, to truely give a shit about the current affairs of console gaming :/
The fact that the odd PS3 lover actually bites at what I write just means I get 10 mins of silly banter now and again on here when I'm bored.
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I personally won't be investing in it! I found the MGS series and Splinter Cell series a real Chore. That said at least during the cut scenes on MGS I could go and make a tea....... and a sandwich........ and finish my book..... and do my tax returns..... which was nice.
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At the end of the day, MGS4 will sell well. Simple as that. Platforms aside, it'll sell very well on PS3. If it ever ports, it will sell well there, too.
Here's a bucket for your tears, everyone. I may as well get some showerwater out of this thread.