Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 Comments by Kristan Reed

sigh.. another mediocre wii game.. another thread full of 360 owning trolls wanking each other off telling themselves that the wii is shit and their console is great.

"but that's not nearly enough to mask the insipid level design, sloppy AI and all-round feeling of contractual apathy surrounding this thoroughly mediocre effort."

Sounds like they reviewed halo 3 by mistake


"FPS on Wii: sux

someone get it sorted! surely it should be a match made in heaven!!"


They did.. it's called metroid prime 3. And it's quite possibly the best first person game where you shoot things released last year. (I dont consider FPS to be a genre - but a play style.. i.e. Metroid 3 is an intelligent thinking mans action adventure where you shoot things first person. Halo 3 is a mindless wander in a straight line 'em up while you shoot things in first person.)

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But you talk about not giving credit where it's due, yet seem hell bent on attacking the developers of MoH on the Wii, who have attempted (and largely succeeded) creating a "realistic look" on a console that, despite your protestations, has nothing like the rendering power of the original Xbox."


I love it when fanboys with no actual knowledge of what is/isnt possible post wank like this on forums!

I bet they sit their with their cock in their hand thinking "oooh.. ooh, i know how to convince everyone to buy my machine.. i'll make up some "facts" about the power of the machine and tout them as fact"... Whack whack whack

(wonders if they get as far as the return key before exploding their mess everywhere..)


But okay.. i'll bite.. want a "realistic look", want a "decent fps" look at metroid 3. Yes you can wank yourself silly that it's in 480p instead of halo's MASSIVE 640p (or whatever it actually was).. But the fact of the matter is it looks great graphically.

This game doesnt... And its obviously a cheap cash in port without much time/effort put in.

And as such is not indicative of the wii's power/capabilities. Right i'm off to go back to metroid 3 which i STILL havent finished after 60 hours of gameplay (halo 3 was finished in 8 hours.. wow.. great value for money there!)

(It's amazing how quickly 360 owning fangirls forget the great wii games when they rush into threads like this isnt it? I can only presume they're bored after finishing halo 3 in a day, and are now waiting for their birthday so mummy can give them something else to play.)


Personally, look at this .. think "meh.. crap.. i'll go back to metroid.. smash bros out next month.. then mario kart.. joy joy joy!"

rotmm: Well, clearly we have reached an impasse here; I'm sure we're looking at the same pictures (mostly because I gave you the damn link), but are somehow arriving at completely opposite conclusions, which suggests to me that our two brains contains certain nerves or synapses which are simply connected differently/wrong. Since I've stated my stance pretty clearly, as have you, continuing to belabour the point doesn't seem as though it would benefit anyone. I will say this, though; even if you don't think the Wii can outperform the first Xbox, my point remains that a quickie conversion of a PSP game is hugely unlikely to be the game that maximises the Nintendo system's potential. If you deem MoH to be an impressive technical showcase already, cool; hopefully, you'll be even more impressed very soon, because Wii is capable of much, much more than this, if the devs would just put in the effort...

smelly: Who are you even talking to? No-one mentioned the 360 or Halo 3 until you brought them up.

@Muddtallica: Its the same faces which pop up in every wii game thread saying how crap it is.. who (suprise suprise) also appear in threads for 360 games, etc etc..

@rotmm

MoH:H2 more impressive from a technical viewpoint than SMG? Is that suppose to be funny? First of all, none of them are impressive from a technical viewpoint, not even if you compare them, but one of them has a great art design and looks beautiful and the other one doesn't and we all know which one that is. Except, maybe, you.

As for Xbox being more powerful than Wii - are you presenting your observations like facts or are you going to provide us links to back up your claim?

Any vehicle levels?

Tank Driving, Jeep Driving?

smelly,

Funny you using the term "fanboy". Here I am, defending a game on the Wii and making no mention of games on other platforms, and there you go attacking a completely unrelated game on another platform.

That speaks volumes.

Muddtallica,

It seems we have reached an impass ;) All I can suggest is that you go over to Gametrailers and have a look at some videos of MoH in action. While I agree that the game doesn't look that great in static screenshots (which I still contend is because EA have tried to go for realism over cartoon), in motion it looks fantastic.

I think there is one thing to note here.

The Wii is capable of some great visuals. IF the developer can be arsed. Nintendo clearly can be and we can see in their shots a quality of texturing and modelling - cartoon in Mario or not-so in Metroid Prime 3 - that right now are a million miles ahead of the third parties. But this rule applies to all systems and has applied to all systems. The PS2 in its early days had some amazingly bad titles as developers looked upon the hardware as, "It's got the biggest market so we don't need to give a shit!". But eventually you burn out that phase and people focus on pushing the hardware, and look what we got at the end of the 'Cube and PS2's lifespan. RE4. God of War 2. FFXII. Twilight Princess. Seriously pretty titles on aging hardware.

I can say as a Wii owner I am a bit fed up of the shitty games, but then - I think I must have felt this way during the PS2's lifespan at some point, as quality dropped and I wondered if it would ever get better.

We forget that this happens in every single bloody generation. YES, I agree, I would prefer developers and manufacturers learned from these past mistakes and kept pushing things, keeping quality high. But they never do and you know what, I sincerely doubt they ever will. They'll burn out some money from the market at the start and then invest it in better titles that push systems harder.

My overall point? If you think the current situation is bad, and you've been a gamer for any decent length of time, it may be time to crawl out from under that rock because the same shit happens every. Single. Generation.

This is not excusing EA or any other company for some of the utter tripe they churn out though. Shit is shit is shit and I don't care how you dress it up or how HD it is or how tyextured or how much waggling you do with the remote. But it's our job as decent consumers to sniff out that shit, leave it alone and buy the good titles and send the message back. The real reason we go through this phase is because it's still the formative years of this generation of hardware, most consumers will buy any franchised shit because they think it'll be good, without educating themselves.

Rant over. Good day to you.

@Kami - I think the Wii does graphics best when they're cartoony or stylised, any attempt at doing "real" and there's a far, far greater tendency for it to fail as the hardware is just not powereful enough. Games like Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy and Zack & Wiki all look lovely on the Wii due to terrific artwork and a graphical style that doesn't even remotely strive for realism. While games like Resident Evil 4 look fine artisitically, technically they tend to be weak with lots of aliasing and low-res, flat-looking textures. Just my opinion, mind, I don't expect anyone to agree with me and at the end of the day, a game can still be good without great graphics.

Aaaaarrgghh, I was looking forward to this for months. I have the psp version but unfortunately its shite.

smelly, you seem to be fighting your own personal flamewar up there. I'll be honest - I enjoy an old-fashioned flamewar for entertainment now and again. But stirring one up by way of "complaining" about it? That's so 2003. :) And we get it: Metroid 3 is a good game.

Mudtallica, I see where you're coming from now, and I do agree. Alot of what we're seeing here is about market availability. A passable game this season is likely to make more money than a great game next season, by virtue of the Wii's visibility. At Christmas the Wii was a primetime news item! From a software business perspective, everybody *needed* to ship product. To complicate matters, it seems like several developers got tripped up in the transition from GC to Wii. (Nintendo themselves are actually the best example, with the underwhelming (IMO) Super Paper Mario, which doesn't even look as good as it's GC predecessor.) They have what are plainly unreleased GC games that need homes... and hello, Wii. So yeah, everybody's cutting their losses and shipping these products as is, and it's a little disappointing. I just take it for what it's worth, and if there's a decent game mechanic behind an aging graphics engine, call it a win. (Better than the other way around, right?) It ought to turn around with the next generation of software as a matter of course, as all these older properties make their way through their lifespans.

Anyway, I hope the Wii proves its mettle soon - I bought one for my bro for Christmas, and I think he secretly wanted an XBox360. :O Meanwhile, the controls do rock.

P.S. I think I played the PSP demo, and if I've got the right game in mind, we are overstating the case a bit. The Wii version looks much much MUCH better than that! :)

Rottm:

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Funny you using the term "fanboy". Here I am, defending a game on the Wii and making no mention of games"

Why you defending this game? it's shit?


" on other platforms, and there you go attacking a completely unrelated game on another platform."

1. It was stated the wii had no decent fps games (so i picked a "decent" *cough* game to compare against)
2. The dicks in this forum who are all slagging off the wii all own a 360. So therefor it stands to reason during a discussion/argument/etc that you'd use what they have as examples..



"That speaks volumes."

Not really no.

I own a 360. I dont own a ps3.

Do i go into all ps3 threads of crap games.. and go "hahahaha - ps3 is shit"? Nope.. as that's the realm of the fanboy tard

Got this game on saturday and its really good - more along the lines of IGN 8.4/10 and gamespot 8/10 than this review.

Of course the graphics cannot compete with fps on 360 and PS3 but the controls are brilliant (actually genius I would say) and the other consoles cannot compete at all on that level... and it brings much to the game. Formulaic levels? well check some of the COD4 ones (yes I have completed that game). Dodgy AI? yes its not great... nor was MOH: Airbourne - COD4 is ahead on this part of the game.

Online works well - easy to set up and no lag.

rotmm:
The game certainly does not look fantastic. I've played for ~3 hours now and i can't really tell the difference between a grey brown dock, a grey brown city and a grey brown monastery. Everything in this game is grey. Mixed with a little brown (wooden doors, some trees or so..).
But let's not be graphic whores, let us get to the main part of the game.
This game in multiplayer mode is fun. That's what it should be. It is only sometimes frustrating because of the unlimited health you have.
Singleplayer mode is so frustrating and only challenging because for every enemy you kill, three others spawn. Also the enemies refuse to attack your teammates, they're dumb anyway and they only attack you. (Like: 'No, let's not kill these rangers, everyone kill _this_ guy instead. Buaahahaha! And don't forget to tell everyone in the whole country about him!' - That's what the singleplayer feels like.) Even if you are the furthest one away, enemies attack you from so far away, they have to have binoculars implanted or some weird eye enhancement. Additionally they shoot so precise, they even hit you with their MP40 from 300 yards away. Seriously, who or what am I fighting against. The Nazis or some Ubersoldiers who are dumb, have unlimited ammo and can see you everywhere. Ah right, it's the Ubersoldiers I want to take care of.
For me it seems, they did not write any AI, they simply set enough respawn points to make the game harder. Choose the difficulty hero and you will hate this game so much, you regret buying it in the first place.
I can keep on ranting, but will write a detailed review anyway after finishing this mess.

To clear some things: I own this game and currently play it on the difficulty level 'Veteran'. And yes, my inner child died after completing the first two missions :( .

I think a 5/10 is even too high. A 3 or 4 out of 10 would be just right.