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Marvel Universe MMO canned News

Xbox 360 News by Robert Purchese

12 February, 2008

Microsoft Game Studios boss Shane Kim has confirmed that the Marvel Universe MMO has been canned.

He believes most games based on the subscription-based business model it was following do not make enough money to be deemed commercially successful. It was too late for Marvel Universe to begin exploring other possibilities - especially with many other titles taking higher priority on the list.

"I'll confirm. Marvel and we have agreed to end development on the MMO. It was an amicable decision," Shane Kim told MTV Multiplayer.

"When we first entered into the development and agreement of the development of Marvel Universe Online, we thought we would create another subscription-based MMO. And if you really look at the data there's basically one [game] that's successful and everything else wouldn't meet our level or definition of commercial success.

"And then you have to look [and say]: Can we change the business model for that? Is that really viable given how far we are in development? And so forth. Does Marvel want to do that? There's a whole bunch of factors," he added.

Marvel Universe Online was in development for Xbox 360 and PC, and announced to the public many moons ago at Microsoft event X06. Cryptic Studios of City of Heroes fame was developing, having finally got the Marvel licence under its belt.

Shane Kim went on to talk about the year ahead and what Microsoft Game Studios is doing with some of its key properties.

A highlight was the news that Banjo Kazooie 3 will be out this Christmas, or "holiday" as strange people from a far away land like to call it. This is the same game rumours suggested was cancelled late last year.

As for the rest of Kim's blatherings, we've decided to summarise using bullet points of justice.

  • Alan Wake: Kim was reluctant to confirm it as a 2008 title (sniff), but said it was "very different, very ambitious".
  • Halo: Kim likes the idea of using the Halo universe in different ways. He mentions Halo Wars and the project with Peter Jackson as examples of this; "I think we can expand the universe and what we do there."
  • Fable 2: Kim said he has had to keep Molyneux focused on developing the game rather than mouthing off about it this time around. Fable 2 could be the best looking game of 2008, apparently, and the secret Lionhead project "Dimitri" is something Molyneux and Kim have had lots of chats about. No beans spilled here, though.
  • Mass Effect: Kim is confident his strong relationship with EA will prove fruitful, and is less concerned about publishing the title than having it solely on his platform. He believes all three instalments in the trilogy will be on 360 but admits he has no idea whether they will be exclusive.
  • Too Human: Kim says Microsoft hurt the project by showing it when it wasn't ready. But he has been nurturing it since, and is still "a big believer" in Silicon Knights and their vision for Too Human.
  • Crackdown: Kim's creative director Kenn Lobb loves Crackdown and there is plenty of enthusiasm for another game.
  • Viva Pinata: No confirmation of it on DS, but "there's still a hint", and Kim is keen to build and expand the property. Which seems a bit odd what with them having announced it at Comic-Con and released a screenshot...
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sweetcheeks
12/02/08 @ 10:03
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meh for marvel canning
woot for banjo.

alan wake looks set to follow in the foot steps of duke nukem forever...
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Darren
12/02/08 @ 10:07
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I really can't wait for Banjo-Kazooie... I just hope that it ends up being brilliant as Rare have been churning out variable quality stuff since Microsoft bought them and unlike their N64 days, their games are no longer guaranteed to impress. As long as it's as good as Kameo (graphically) and Viva Pinata (gameplay) then I'll be happy but please don't let it be a mess of (far from) Perfect Dark Zero proportions! :?
Kyle
12/02/08 @ 10:15
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Can someone explain something to me? How can Viva Pinata (potentially) be on the DS? If Microsoft owns Rare, why would they allow them to release a game on a Nintendo console?
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convercide
12/02/08 @ 10:16
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Banjo Three(ie) ftw. I really hope Rare pull off a repeat performance as the first two were excellent. How great was the board game in the first one?
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The Bodybuilder
12/02/08 @ 10:19
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poor mass effect, my love.
Res
12/02/08 @ 10:19
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Never saw the point in marvel universe. Seemed like it was just going to be City of Heroes anyway, but with well known NPCs in place of the normal ones in COH.
Olemak
12/02/08 @ 10:24
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Too bad Cryptic sold off City of Heroes to NCsoft just a few months ago, then... I wonder what they'll be up to next. Good company, I bet they think of something good.

I wonder if this means that the MMO genre is now "dead", or at least stagnant, as it only seems to have room for one giant and quite a few midgets. Hmm... wonder what that means for huge upcoming games like Conan and Warhammer... did the marvel guy just not think they'd be able to compete with the likes of Warcraft at all, or that there just isn't a market, seeing as big-franchise MMOs such as Matrix online and Pirates of the Carribean (a Disney MMO) were pretty much DOA.

Isn't there a DC MMO in production somewhere too? With Sony, I seem to recall? Not holding my breath for that one tho...
Mentalist(air)
12/02/08 @ 10:25
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If Microsoft owns Rare, why would they allow them to release a game on a Nintendo console?

For the same reason Sonic was on the GBA when the Dreamcast was on the go. Microsoft don't currently have a competing portable game platform. And presumably they don't want to just fire everyone in the portable game arm of Rare.
captainrentboy
12/02/08 @ 10:30
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Crackdown 2? Yes please, that would be lovely, even with it's ever so slightly repetitive nature, Crackdown was one of the most fun titles I played last year. And to think, all I bought it for originally was to have a go on Halo 3.
And I'm not sure how much of a sin it is but I've never played a Banjo title, so can't get overly excited about the prospect of a new one, but a game like it is certainly missing from the 360's current catalogue of titles.
Oh and it's a bit shitty that the Marvel MMO has been canned, but then again I couldn't see myself forking out a monthly subscription anyway.
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12/02/08 @ 10:41
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"I wonder if this means that the MMO genre is now "dead", or at least stagnant, as it only seems to have room for one giant and quite a few midgets. Hmm... wonder what that means for huge upcoming games like Conan and Warhammer."

Warhammer and Conan are doing something different though, one is much more of a twitch based game by the looks of things and the other is focused around PVP.

You have EQ2 and Vanguard (now its almost been fixed) for a slightly more hardcore experience and WoW for a more laid back game. Now I doubt the game would have been very complex so it would have been going up against WoW, which is pointless at the moment. CoH doesn't have many players in Europe at all either as we don't seem to be into the whole comic book thing as much as America. That cuts out a major part of the market as well.
DB2k
12/02/08 @ 10:47
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FOR FUCKS SAKE ALAN WAKE I WILL KILL YOU
mrbandersnatch
12/02/08 @ 10:48
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The problem with the MMO market is that everyone is just copying WoW, which copied EQ, which just added a 3D engine to a MUD...hence MMO market stagnation. When someone finally manages to think outside the box with an MMO or 3, we'll eventually see something more successful than WoW. 2040 or so I think :(
Der_tolle_Emil
12/02/08 @ 10:56
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At least Banjo is still coming. Too bad it's still far away but I really want this. And hopefully it will be the same quality as we used to see from Rare back then.
muscleblade
12/02/08 @ 12:07
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@Kyle

Easy: Bacause DS is the worlds best selling and most owned console and VP would fit perfectly on it. MS will def make more money than Nintendo in a deal like this but they both win so why not? MS would be foolish not to allow this.
Lebowski
12/02/08 @ 12:20
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Grr, I was looking forward to Marvel MMO.

Does anyone know if there are any other MMO on the radar for 360? I really want to play one. I'd try my hand at FFXI but I hear it's a bag of rubbish and not very accessible / easy to set-up.
BadBoyBonner
12/02/08 @ 12:22
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The ONLY way VP is not coming out on the DS is if MS have decided to do a hand-held gaming device - which it seems they haven't.

I am starting to wonder why I am even waiting for Alan Wake - employ a few more bods and stop all holidays plus compulsory overtime - that should get the creative juices flowing! ;-)

2008 is feeling like no other year in the last few - no new machine coming out, no massive games that I have looked forward to for years; in fact seems I'll just be playing Cod 4 MP until 2009 at this rate (maybe the odd game of Forza 2 on the forcefeedback wheel).
Xerx3s
12/02/08 @ 12:27
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There is a far more simple answer: MS/Sony/Ninty are run by people who want to make money and not fanboys.

All three companies have a track record of publishing on rival formats. Or did you think that the likes of donkey kong and mario never visited another platform?
Nithron
12/02/08 @ 12:58
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mrbandersnatch is right. I mean, it doesn't seem to matter what you're supposedly doing in an MMO, whether you're using superpowers or nanoparticles or whatever, you're just clicking on little icons to queue up attacks until the enemy dies, the exact same thing you do in WoW
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12/02/08 @ 13:24
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"Never saw the point in marvel universe. Seemed like it was just going to be City of Heroes anyway, but with well known NPCs in place of the normal ones in COH. "

And that is a bad thing?
Olemak
12/02/08 @ 14:18
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Lebowski: there is Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures. It should be released for PC in may, with an Xbox version "to follow".

It looks pretty interesting, and has more of a twitch-based combat system so it just may be more involving than the old click-and-wait MMO combat mechanic. Plus, it has lots more gore , well-oiled macho men and quite possibly scantily clad maidens. "Mature" rating, in other words, so fairly unlike WOW in some regards.

Oh an by the way: CoH with more money throw at it, "this-gen" technology, a bit of innovation gameplay-wise and some recognizable PC's wouldn't be so bad. I love COH. An updated marvel version of COH would be great.
Triggerhappytel
12/02/08 @ 14:44
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"Mass Effect: He believes all three instalments in the trilogy will be on 360 but admits he has no idea whether they will be exclusive."

Of course they won't be exlusive, not unless you fire the money cannon at EA.
Lebowski
12/02/08 @ 15:50
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Cheers for the info Olemak; I'll keep an eye out for that Conan game.
DAN:SOLO
12/02/08 @ 19:04
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@ Arbiter
in a nutshell you are a PS3 fanboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL

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