LittleBigPlanet to run at 30fps, 720p News

If anything, this is less then i thought it would be..

Thats acceptable i suppose, i'm just really hoping this turns out to be great!

Great. Still no 1080P.

Come on Sony. Help me out here.

Why does a "lightweight" game run "only" at 30FPS and requires a 1GB install????

The reasons seem valid enough. This is going to be great!

But I really want to punch the guy who said true HD begins with us.

PS3bullshitboastsofthepastLOL

LittleBigPlanet would have been the perfect candidate for a 1080p 60fps game. It looks very nice but the style is more important than graphical details so I think they could have managed to get the higher resolution and framerate without sacrificing too much. I still think this game will be great though, it's too bad that I don't have a PS3 because I really want to try this.

"It does seem odd that a graphical powerhouse like GT5 can run a perfect native 1080p yet somemething like LBP can only muster 720p.

Meh, 720p looks fine anyway."

Yes it does but I would have been pissed if i could afford a 1080p TV and i had nothing to play it on (to its fullest).

Considering it looks like a slightly snazzy wii game i am a bit disappointed with that. 30fps... No biggie.

GT5 doesn't run at "proper" 1080p anyway.

Regardless the game looks great and I'd rather the memory was available for textures and objects than a 1080p frame buffer. 1Gb install is fine for a game which obviously benefits and is made possible by a hard drive.

Why the fuck are these lame, incompetent developers making games run at only 720p 30fps when Ken Kutaragi HIMSELF told us that the PS3 could run games at 1080p, 120fps on TWO monitors at the SAME TIME?

Are they just COMPLETE morons??

:/

@Zander
"Considering it looks like a slightly snazzy wii game"

Erm, yeah right, course it does...

> GT5 doesn't run at "proper" 1080p anyway.

GT5 doesn't even run at "proper" 720p on the PS3.

It's rather depressing that even this can't run at 60 FPS :/

groan! thought there would be a bunch of retards complaining about this.

ps3lol, thought all ps3 games were supposed 2b 1080p 60frames lol, 1 gig install lol etc etc

@ evilfoxhound

The best really? Not baiting or anything but I though GTp was quite ugly at times, admittedly it is great in replays but in-game it is quite messy at time IMO (42" 1080p)

1080p TV here too and I'm sorry to say that GT5 does exhibit some tearing, frame drops, glitches etc.

I'm not the only one to say that on here either, I seem to recall Darren saying the same thing.

Think about it though. There are hundreds of objects, none of them pre-defined like would normally be in any linear or even sandbox game so you can't really organise things on the disc like would normally be done. The FOV is also dynamic, growing larger when the players spread out on the screen. My guess is that it would happily run at 60Fps but at the risk of seeing jitters when the FOV is huge it is limited to 30.

Another thing about frame rate is that it is largely irrelevant over about 20Fps. Our eyes perceive movement in strange ways and we can be tricked into seeing smoothness with clever use of blurring. Crysis is a good example of this. There were points where my PC really couldn't take it and dropped down to 15 Fps but from my point of view it never stuttered once because it used blurring. Too much sometimes, but it did work.

its not the developers that are incompetint its the sony bigwigs for believing there machine is so much more powerful than the reality.

@DrDamn
Touchy, touchy!
Ok maybe not THAT bad but its hardly pushing the system really. Lots of physics, but the CELL can surely handle that.
Oh and its not like i said it was going to be shite. I am looking forward to it, but I am also waiting for the PS3 to show off all its power instead of getting shoddy ports and lower than expected performance. Developers have surely had enough time to bring their tool sets up to the same level as the 360's. I mean I don't want more "xbots" telling us how 360 rulez!

Are we getting to the stage here where "only" a 1 gig install is a good thing? I mean, it was fine when it was only the occasional game that required an install, but as nearly all games seem to require one it's becoming something of a joke.

And no, at no point did I ever expect a game like LBP to require an install. It begs the question.... was the PS3 hardware balance properly thought out?

@evilfoxhound, "The human eye can only see at about 25 frames per second anyway LOL"

I assume that's irony?

faricus maximus - you are a dick cheese of the highest order! no-one want's your shit here - kindly leave

Went from "reason to buy a PS3" to "wait and see" because of the framerate and the install. I automatically distrust developers who think, depth of field effects and whatever unnecessary gimmicks I won't pay attention to after 20 seconds of playing are more important than a smooth framerate.

everyone who thinks calling Farticus names makes them cool or smart or BETTER than him needs to think again.
Your the ones getting Ignored, not the Fart.

Good thing the ps3 is 1080p...because there are really no games that support it. Same with Blu-Ray...no one is buying blu-ray disks yet! $30-35 for each blu-ray disk? To watch a movie once or twice then let it collect dust. Umm...no thanks!

"everyone who thinks calling Farticus names makes them cool or smart or BETTER than him needs to think again.
Your the ones getting Ignored, not the Fart. "

sorry, you are????

There are a lots of objects, physics and texture maps being thrown around, so PS3 would perhaps breaking sweats more than it was assumed!

Still a proof that PS3 is not that uber super nova powerful that Ken would have us believe it is, if it will not either do 1080p or 60 fps.

Think about it, 1080p would not be appreicated by as many people as 60 fps would have been (SD/HD720 or HD1080 owners), even so the movements in game are not always going to be that fast, most of the time would likely be messing around with the menu/objects, so the power would perhaps be wasted in maintaining a constant 60 fps.

So at the end I think it more about husbanding the best out of the hardware for the most optimal usage, the objects, physics and the interactions, still looking forward to LBP.

"Another thing about frame rate is that it is largely irrelevant over about 20Fps. Our eyes perceive movement in strange ways and we can be tricked into seeing smoothness with clever use of blurring."

Not this nonsense again. There's a big difference between a game locked at 30 FPS and one locked at 60.

"sorry, you are????"

well, no MEGASTAR, thats fer sure.

Cant believe you took that bait, kiddo.

"Still a proof that PS3 is not that uber super nova powerful that Ken would have us believe it is, if it will not either do 1080p or 60 fps."

- I am not so sure. Is it that its not powerful or just to hard to get the most out of. 9 cores must be pretty hard to get working efficiently and as we have seen with cross platform games (i know this isn't one) the PS3 normally gets a raw deal. Drakes fortune should be the bench mark for ps3 developers in my opinion. Well done Naughty Dog! I wonder if the God of War guys will do the PS3 proud, they showed us a trick or two on the PS2...

""The game is designed to be fairly lightweight, to make the sharing of new content easier. Our levels squidge down into really tiny files, which means that when the community makes new ones, they'll download quickly."

But what about the power and immense storage capacity of BluRay!

Sorry, couldn't help it.

@evilfoxhound,

No, you shouldn't [b]have[/b] to install games to begin with. It's just one example of how the whole design of the PS3 was designed by commitee and not as a dedicated games console.

As for your framerate "fact", well it's not a fact at all. By just making shit like that up, you're making yourself look stupid.

"However, when lies are told I will point them out every time."

I just..
A: Had coffee.
B: Took a shower.
C: Had a wank.

Please point out the lies. There are 2.

What is wrong with you people?

720p @ 30 fps, fair enough. Was hoping for 1080p but, eh, not then.

1) 24fps is used in films because that was the least amount of frames required to give a decent perception of motion using projectors from the early days of cinema.

A lot of people can tell the difference between 30 and 60fps. So, by all means speak for yourself, but don't speak for others. You have the 24fps FACT slightly confused.

2) Saying you can go out and buy a bigger drive for X amount is not good enough. You shouldn't have to - end of. Try and be as objective as possible and realise that this is not ideal. This will always be a negative point no matter how many posts say "just install a larger drive". It's worth noting that allowing you to upgrade your drive IS a good thing. Mandatory installs are not.

3) Every person I know that has bought a PS3 bought it based on the brand and how powerful it is. Very similar to the PS2. I had about 5 friends who refused to buy a DC because in a years time the PS2 would be released and "...it has an Emotion Engine!!"

Sony blow hot air out of their ass much more than Sega or MS did/do. You can disagree if you like, but where did all this negative stuff come from following on from the biggest console ever? It came from people that are tired of the lies that Sony spun while waiting for their console to be released to halt sales of the DC and then the 360. It didn't work as well this time. You have to accept that people are going to make flippant and sarcastic comments regarding 1080p, 120fps, blu-ray. Stop defending Sony like they're your sister and just ignore the people that make the comments.

Finally it doesn't make them fanboys if they point this stuff out. I know 3 friends who own a PS3. They all owned a PS1 and then a PS2. I have 5 friends that own 360's. They owned a range of consoles before such as the DC, GC, PS2 and Xbox. I can only speak for myself, but I've clearly seen that PS owners I know buy into the system purely because they were happy with the previous gen PS. Other systems don't get a look in. That is the definition of a fanboy in my book.


P.S I never owned an Xbox. I have a DC, GC, PS2, PSP, DS & 360. So if anyone wants to call me a xbot they can come to my house and say it :P

'groan! thought there would be a bunch of retards complaining about this.'

Well when do Dizzy and farticusmaximus NOT like to bitch about a PS3 game?

I need an "ignore everyone except SpaceMidget75" button

Has anyone already pointed out to evilfoxhound that 24fps is not what the human eye is limited to seeing? This is just the minimum frame rate that the human brain will compensate for. Smooth vision has a lot to do with blurring and colours etc.

Farticus isn't actually bitching about LBP - it's GT5p he's bitching about ;-).

Seriously why would you expect 1080p in a game like this where more available memory = more freedom to do what you want. That got to be a big consideration as to why it is 720p. Using big 1080p frame buffers = big restrictions, something this game wants to avoid. I'd take that over a resolution only 5% of the market has.

As for the install, if you were looking forward to this but aren't now because of the install - what are you crazy? Of course it's going to have an install. Think of the nature of the game ffs. If it was on 360 it would be HD required. Games which let you use a load of random little objects are not going to work well off DVD or Bluray.

@Zander
"Touchy, touchy"

I think it looks like a great game with character and a lot going on in terms of texture quality and flexibility in what it will show on screen. It might not be traditionaly "Wow!" but there is a lot going on.

Would have made a great Wii game though, using Miis instead of the puppet things and having the remote to work the menus.

Too many PS3 fanboys here.

On an unrelated note, 25fps is not the eye's biological limit. Credibility minus 1 for the person who said that (unless he comes through and admits his genuine wrong statement).

@evilfoxhound, "I used to defend both consoles as I owned both a PS3 and a 360..."

Oh really?

Somehow, I kinda doubt that. You're the worst kind of fanboy.

Is LBP a PC game? Because this thread is just full of graphics whores.

I eagerly await another pointless eurogamer tech feature on LBP with framerate counts as you did with gta4.

GT5 Prologue is not rendered at full 1080p (1920x1080), it's hardware upscaled from 1280x1080 with 2xAA.
There are very few proper PS3 games above 720p, and more fall bellow that standard. Lair is actually a sub-720p title for example.
A list of unusual resolutions for PS3 (and 360) titles is kept up to date here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php...

It’s clear that LBP has much more complicated lighting (global HDR), shadowing and physics than GT5. Plus the real-time level editing aspect will no doubt consume loads of memory. PS3 is just not well suited for 1080p games.

@Warbo
Realistically neither is the 360 - unless you count simply upscaling to 1080p. Neither have enough grunt or memory to do it across the majority of game genres. 720p is the sweet spot this generation of consoles. I'd prefer devs spent the resource (both dev time and machine resource) on supporting and optimising for the resolution the vast majority of people have at a satisfactory frame rate.

i expected 60fps to be honest, although it's not the kind of game that needs it.

It depends on whether you need 60fps or not. For me that depends on the game type, some gain a lot more than others from 60fps. Forza obviously benefits a lot, but I don't think LBP would as much. It still amazes me that CoD4 managed it to be honest.