L4D community rallies against sequel Comments by Robert Purchese

Really, what I don't get is why everyone from both sides are resorting to name calling, simply on the basis of the platform they use. Stuff like "If snooty PC owners don't want a sequel to one of the best of last year don't waste your money on 'em Valve give it to 360" and the like.

I mean really guys, please don't assume that because one party uses one platform, they're all tarred with the same brush.

Now personally, I can understand all the complaints that've been brought up. I've followed the arguments and suggestions on the Steam forums since release, I've given a couple of my own too these past few months.

I also remember really wishing that I could play more campaigns, and didn't really like survival mode.

Now when the next game comes out, I'll probably order it anyway, I mean who am I kidding, I love this game.

But even the more hardcore console fans amongst you have to at least see why people are pissed.

Fogheart's comment really sums it up. Valve aren't doing anything illegal or wrong. It just feels a little rude and badly thought out.

IMO, Valve should really quickly come up with their update for L4D1 or at least announce their update plans to keep the wolves at bay. Because all that everyone's pissed off about is due to their perceived inequality when they hear about all this great news for L4D2 with no bone for L4D1. This information discrepency makes people think that L4D2 is getting all the glory and with nothing concrete announced for L4D1 anymore, they make the assumption that whatever they'll get is of far lower value.

To be fair to the anti camp though, I can't really see them releasing much more than Matchmaker 2.0 and the official SDK for L4D1. To release any new weapons or special infected would take attention away from L4D2 and make it seem less special. At best, they might introduce the new Charger infected and different ammo types, but I highly doubt it if it's going to be a highlight of their sequel.

Personally, just a new campaign for versus would be perfect and would quell any problems that I may have. I don't need any new special infected for now, just some new campaigns.

I play TF2 almost every day for an hour or two, I spent ages playing L4D with my family and firends for maybe a month after its release, and for a couple of weeks after the DLC, the experience was better than all those hours on TF2, and some new experiences will be greatly appreciated.

Its a bit criminal that I will have to buy 4 copies for each member of my family so we can all play at once though...

me didnt like L4D - but i dont see why this couldnt just be a mission pack?

one word: cocks.

Just a comment to the people moaning that the realease is too soon for valve to have had time to create significat content to warrent a sequel.

From watching the developer commentry and press releases, I understood that one of the key reasons that valve created the AI director was that it freed up the teams recources to concentrate on level design and art assets. The AI can then simply popultate their finished levels, control pace/tension, lighting/sound etc. automatically without much extra input from the developer.

This streamlined development process must surely be quicker/easier and more productive than the more traditional way? - so surely it's no surprise that they've come up enough content for a sequel already??

Personally, I'm excited about more L4D and during these economic times I don't think its a surprise that they want to charge for it it either.......

@penhalion

"The long and short of it is that there is nothing in L4D2 that wasn't requested as a fix or update for L4D1 by the community some of you are bashing."

So bloody what. Requesting a feature doesn't give you a right to it for free. Or are you suggesting that Valve "pinched" the ideas of the community and should give the results back for free? Ideas are two a penny, its making the actual game content that takes time and money.

@skillian

"Most PC gamers don't realise that Valve are a business and are here to make money

Straw man. Pretty much everybody on the planet reliases that any company has the aim of making money."

Oy! That isn't a strawman. Its a supposition that is pertinent to the discussion. In a conversation focussing on people complaining about not getting stuff for free, the profit making activities of a company are quite relevant.

People like to use terms like 'straw man' for no real reason because they think it makes them sound clever.

@ Gearskin

"With the sequel due inside of 6 months, we won't be seeing anything substantial added to the original. They'll get some tools out to the Mod community and leave the support to them. "

Shut up. You're not only ignoring comments made by employees of Valve, you're using your own speculation and presenting it as irrefutable fact.

If you're a typical example of one of the people criticising Valve for this, they really have nothing to worry about, because you must find it difficult to successfully open your front door before dying of starvation. Not that you could figure out how to open the shiny receptacles of food in your cupboards anyway - probably you resort to bashing them against your door in the vain hope that bringing them together will open both for you.

@ FogHeart

You missed out

"Valve actually release content for L4D, and far quicker than they ever did for TF2, too".

Kind of makes a mockery of your argument that bit, doesn't it?

Although I guess leaving out an actual integral prt of that debate does somewhat add weight to your (false) assertion...

Why are the Console owners here whining about PC owners?
No PS3/Xbox360 comparison tests for the PS3 owners to get excited over?
No new sales figures getting the M$ boys angry with Nintendo again?

Seems like the console owners here are far bigger douches than the PC owners comapining about Valve (I don't own L4D so don't care myself)

@ IronCladChicken

Er.....L4D 1 & 2 are on 360 to...

Those people who say it should be DLC: Have you played it? Can you verify that it has DLC-levels of quality & quantity?

Having said that, I'm fine with the moaning: it'll help keep Valve honest.

In hindsight, I'm not sure I made my own view as clear as I could.

I got tens of hours of top knotch gameplay out of L4D... and still continue to do so. It was one of the best games of recent years - a reference book for quality design. And it was damn tense to boot - exactly the way any horror game should be.

So for all those complaining about free stuff that apparently they should be getting but aren't... I have to ask "what exactly is it that is making you unhappy"?

If you are enjoying playing L4D, then keep doing that. And if you don't want to buy this sequel, don't.

Does anyone genuinely find their experience is suffering because of the absense of free DLC? This just feel to me like the same old "pile of sweets" analogy I have used so often before. And it goes like this.

1. Child has bag of sweets.
2. Child enjoys bag of sweets and has a big ol' grin on its face.
3. Child discovers other child has larger bag of sweets.
4. Child's own bag of sweets suddenly doesn't look so great. Smile disappears. Child cries and bawls.

Personally, I don't give a f*ck what sweets anyone else is eating. I'll be quite happy playing L4D for a fair while yet, and when I've finally exhausted it (assuming Valve don't supply me with some DLC in the mean time, as they have SAID they will in short sentences of easy to understand words) I'll buy the sequel and be happy for another 30+ hours of top quality zombie shootin' fun.

Yeah i can sort of understand some being a bit pissed off about all the promises of DLC and it did seem like a lifetime for valve to get the other two maps up and running on VS.
however news of a full blown sequel coming this november is the best gaming news ive heard in a long time.
it maybe much of the same but when the the games this good why change it?
truth is more of the same is exactly what we all want
UBISOFT is a prime example of a company who seems hell bent on changing all there biggest titles into something new and all you end up with is one dissapointment after another, SplinterCell is not as good as it once was! nor is Ghost Reacon.(third person WTF?)
im all for pushing things forward ect but only when its better!
bottom line is L4D is one of, if not the best game this gen if Valve wants to keep doing sequals of L4D well thats just fine with me!
keep up the good work guys!

These people complaining about broken DLC promises are somehow worse than console gamers complaining about broken DLC promises for what reason precisely (other than "All PC gamers are pirates" or other consummate bullshit, that is)?

In a thread where mention of Valve's tendency to deliver games late and make promises they don't in the end deliver on is so very very rife, there seems a disproportionate amount of blind faith in them too. They're a very good firm and they consistently make excellent games, but it's wise to keep in mind that they are far from infalliable, especially when it comes to doing what they say they will do. I'd be amazed if this actually launches on time and/or has everything they claim it wll at launch. This protesting behaviour is a bit daft but, speaking as someone who's fallen foul of Valve's undelivered promises/claims/advertised features before (most notably the ongoing "games on steam will be cheaper than retail, because there's no middleman and no packaging costs and distribution is much cheaper!" one), it's somewhat understandable that people are pissed off at them.

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