Killzone 2 date a "management decision" News

Brilliant PR move for a corporate speaker, way to piss off your fans I guess.

"Killzone 2 was moved to Feb 2009 to make sure we didn't release it before it was finished", more like.

"Not releasing the dualshock 3 in Europe was a management decision as we didn't want it competing with existing stocks of SIXAXIS controllers"

"Moved to 2009 to generate an extra couple terrawatts of hype to compensate for the gargantuan 'meh' factor" more like.

They saw Haze and thought "Maybe we want to hold on to this a little longer, you know, for quality."

I don't know. What if these kind of games are old news in 2009? We've had enough of Gears of War and the like by then. And the video didn't look THAT special.

"Not releasing the dualshock 3 in Europe was a management decision as we didn't want it competing with existing stocks of SIXAXIS controllers"

Translation: You're screwed Europe! We don't mind the dualshock 3 competing with existing stocks of SIXAXIS controllers in Asia and North America, though :)

o.O Sometimes Sony really puzzles me with their PR thought processes.

JSPOOLE, you was reading my mind!

/ runs from SDF!

Killzone 2 is the sequel to an average Call-of-Duty-esque FPS with pretty graphics but a shoddy frame rate.

I find it hard to believe that 2 will be able to scrape more than an 8 from reputable websites and magazines. If it's a management decision to hold it back, then that's just so the backlash doesn't hurt the format in its first full-strength Christmas assault on Microsoft's market position.

But it isn't, it's because it's not finished. Besides, backlashes didn't seem to hurt Assasin's Creed's Christmas performance that badly.

The fact that R2 will be delivered on time (it's Insomniac), and is shaping up pretty well effectively gave them licence to delay Killzone 2 and polish it up a bit more. SCEE has a lot riding on Killzone 2 so I imagine they appreciate the extra time.

lol, the hate is getting out of hand.

cheer up guys, gives them time to refine the press x to jump mechanic

@menage
even the jumping is gray

@JSPoole

The general consumer doesn't know squat, that's why.

I'm looking forward to R2 more so this works out nicely for me.

After what Microsoft did at the back end of last year by seemingly releasing everything in the space of a couple of months I'm glad Sony have spaced things out a bit more. Still wish it wasn't 2009 though.

A management decision you say? I thought they would have asked the cleaner.

"After what Microsoft did at the back end of last year by seemingly releasing everything in the space of a couple of months I'm glad Sony have spaced things out a bit more."

Terrible having a choice of games aint it ;).

Moving it to avoid the likes of GoW2 and its own "big hitters" will hopefully give them time to make it look more better.

"After what Microsoft did at the back end of last year by seemingly releasing everything in the space of a couple of months I'm glad Sony have spaced things out a bit more. Still wish it wasn't 2009 though."

Yes, it was really terrible having all those great games at once. I still cry myself to sleep thinking about it.

Claiming rumble was left out of the PS3 pads in the first place because of technical issues, and nothing to do with Immersion's lawsuit, was a management decision too.

It's quite incredible how they could piss away the lead and loyalty they built up with the PS1 and PS2. Sony really is the new Atari/Sega.

but would the further delay be a "management decision"...?

If they were confident in Killzone 2 they would release it 2008 holiday season to fight other games not ghost town called February.
Also everybody knows that November and December=massive software and hardware sales for everyone,especially in comparison with other months.

Halo 3 could have come out earlier...but they released it when it would do them most good...

The bastards.

@ des

but what sense does it make releasing killzone 2 and the sametime as resistance 2, surely if you did that you'd end annoying insominiac. just seems like common sense. be like microsoft releasing Halo and gears of war in the same week

@DjFlex52
Actually if you think about it, it makes sense. Europe has by far the largest PS3 install-base and therefore (theoretically) the largest demand for DS3. If supply/inventory is an issue then it makes sense to feed product to the two lesser markets (US and Asia) in order to prevent demand becoming an issue in all 3 territories.

@Arbiter

Translation #2: Europe? You're screwed!

"The general consumer doesn't know squat, that's why"

True!

After all the comparison articles on here Eurogamer readers should have a better knowhow though. I mean hardcore gamers that play games more than most people should know the facts by now and spread the word. Thats what im trying to do. All my friends are 360 owners because of me. Nothing to to with fanboyism btw.

"Nothing to to with fanboyism btw."

Hilarious.

Sounds too much like another 4.5 or 5.6 reviews coming for a title competing against 8.5 - 9.0 reviews from other games.

@chris_ace

They could have released R2 in October or November and Killzone in December.
Or delay R2 for couple of months,Insomniac would know how to use extra time.
It is a bit funny that Insomniac= 3 ps3 games in 3 years and Guerrilla=1 ps3 game in 4 years.

Yes, it was really terrible having all those great games at once. I still cry myself to sleep thinking about it.

It was terrible when I wanted to play most of them. I get OCD for new releases. :(

Yes, it was really terrible having all those great games at once. I still cry myself to sleep thinking about it.

It was terrible when I wanted to play most of them. I get OCD for new releases. :(

It was terrible when I had to pay for them. I get OCD for new releases as well :(

I'm going to make a bold claim that R2 will be a sub 720p at launch that'll crater like a wet turd, and all the PS3 fanbois wetting their knickers for three years will pretend they always knew it'd be shit.

Bookmark me!

@ des


no doubting that isomniac is the better developer and i fully expect resistance to be much better than killzone even though killzone looks superior, more reason for sony to keep them sweet and not mess up their big game for christmas

This PR guy needs to be taken to one side for a chat!

He's managed to make it sound like they were not confident that KZ2 would be able to compete with the christmas lineup from Nintendo and Microsoft, so they simply moved it to a dead month when it would have no competition due to the christmas comedown.

It's probably not going to be as good as Resistance 2. Most gamers can't afford or don't want to buy 3 different or even 2 games at once. So what do you do? Delay the lesser game so its sales won't be as sabotaged by comparison.
Makes sense to me.

As for "Why do people keep buying sony things when they're such baddy baddy bad boys?"
Well I own a Xbox360, within 6 months it had broken, so I've had it replaced.
Another of my friends owns one, 2 weeks after mine broke, so did his.
Another friend's has just broken for the 3rd time in the space of a year.

As a non-fanboy, my walls aren't laiden with posters of MY team. I find it hilarious that Microsoft can be made out to be a good guy, by anyone, then I remember. People are morons!

Makes plenty of sense, but still comes off as a bit of a bungle. Having too many games really isn't Sony's main problem at the moment.

They're not exactly overflowing with must-have games right now, are they?

Saw KZ2 featured on Playr last week - was ordinary at best.

Demo person said
"The AI is amazing, so dynamic, they will try and get round your sides and flank you if you let them"

Hmm very Gears I thought - but the reality was ....

"AI stands right in the line of fire, seemingly unaware of the hail of bullets aimed his way and appears to be looking skyward in a drug induced trance, after 10/15 seconds of this it saunters behind a box and starts peeking out"


All we need now is CAPCOM to announce RE5 for February '09 and we won't be seeing this over-hyped, over-gray P.O.S for at least another whole year !

@mrmrc84
Sure dude. You can be bitching all you want about it but noone I know around here has had his xbox even replaced. Even if they have them moded and they pay only 1,2 Euros to have their copies of the games even though the console they own has been opened up etc. So you can talk all you want out of your ass with that same old rrod you all keep using. Sure you could even have had 5x 360s replaced for all I care since you can say anything you want for whoever believes it. Sony the only thing they've had produced and hasn't had issues til now must be their bateries cause everything else from laptops, tvs, cd players, consoles ( and don't tell me you don't know about the usual play station issue with their laser on the drives ) so what about MS? Xbox was perfect. About 360 I only know 1 person that has had a prob here in Greece and I was glad he did cause he is a loser. So, that is your opinion really.

So can someone name me all the great PS3 games of the year to sum up and make me laugh a bit? lol Great investement you guys did. By the time your console is usefull you'd have actually got an xbox or a wii and by then the money difference would have ben covered since the PS3 by then ( long time yet ) will be apparently half it's price than what you paid for. Well, enjoy anyways :p Maybe you'll be able to spend the year with Home? Oh that not out yet either? :S soooorry

Ok going to work now and we will have a nice chat there with the guys at work ( if time ) 2 more days for Conan btw... ffs already

@Dodgymat
About the game's AI I said that i noticed it ven in the videos they all have been praising. You can see that only the scripted NPCs are being in the action and he alone takes a while to even be attacked either he is invisible. Either in extremely easy mode or something.

i saw the thing on gamr tv (or playr if you will) and it looked beautiful for yet another sci-fi shooter, i enjoyed the first game but then again i was much less demanding when i paid like 7.99 for it secondhand, it had awesome reload animations but it really did look uberscripted.. shoot this, blow up that, go here..maybe it plays different but thats what it looked like

I like the killzone2 bashing, Have these people not read the hands on with the game? Every preview has been very positive and with just under a year left it should be a solid game. I want to know what the multiplayer will be like though, The general movement and shooting seems very good so MP should work well on it.

They don't need to make fancy game types and mechanics. Well designed maps are everything in a MP game.

I own both machines. Like em both, but KZ2 just doesn't look that special next to the pretty graphics. Resistance 2 looks like the better deal, especially because Insomiac always delivers at least a certain quality. Guerilla has yet to prove themselves. It could be great, But videos of them selling the game with 5 hear old mechanics as new ones didn't help (press x to jump, you can shoot red barrels, claiming diversity in experience when everything was obviously scripted to the max, etc, wtf?)

And like someone else mentioned. Capcom are bound to release RE5 februari next year. They released Lost Planet in 2007, DMC4 in 2008 and it made them bundles to release a game in that timeslot. RE5 is bound to follow.

@davisorle

The fact that you went off on such a rant proves me point exactly.
If you still don't know what that point was I'll make it clearer. People going mad at Sony and making them out to be some awful company thats only serves itself whilst furiously defending Microsoft, thats right Microsoft, need their heads checked.

I never said the Xbox360 was crap, I never said it didn't have good games, or that PS3 had better or any good games at all. I merely said most people i know have had their Xbox360 fail, which is down to Microsoft not caring enough to test the consoles before release or they did test them and didn't give a shit.

Its like I called your Dad a loser or something, its a console, its not your family.

Arbiter +1

And on another note, I think I'll choose to believe you wouldn't release a bunch of hyped games at the same time. It happens with movies all the time. even if that makes me willingly naive, at least I won't end up as a hate filled person waiting to explode! Although I think I will anyway.

So is the message that it would get buried at retail if launched at Xmas, and has more chance of selling if it's launched in the lean months Q1? You'd expect a big "AAA" title to want to maximise its sales potential by launching pre-Xmas.

Maybe the counter-argument is that KZ2 can sell on its own merits, making space for weaker games to recoup their costs by getting in on the Xmas bonanza.

@arbiter no more than the blind loyalty of the sony fans.

the average customer neither knows nor cares.

Ah what a fantastic console generation, the 360 is a steaming pile of turd, I honestly dont know anyone who has had one where it hasnt broken on them. The PS3 is a shiny steaming pile of turd which has no decent exclusive games and the wii is just the wii. What did gaming kind do to deserve such abominations?

I think both consoles are good! We've not had it so good really.

My PS1 and 2 eventually succumbed to laser issues, N64 stopped recognising carts, Xbox had some bizarre issue where it just displayed some error code on the screen (not sure what the actual error code was anymore).

So let me get this right, the delays we keep hearing on PS3 titles about are 'management decisions' and are in no way linked to the inherent difficulties associated with coding for PS3?

What rubbish.

PS3 needs console exclusives right now and these continued delays are getting on my nerves. some of the titles I've been waiting for were announced so long ago, I'm not sure I'll even live to play them. Sort it out Sony!

I have both consoles so get of my back fanboys.

I feel for the developer, it's been a long time coming and has been hyped beyond belief - it can't possibly live up to expectation now

"PS3 needs console exclusives right now and these continued delays are getting on my nerves. some of the titles I've been waiting for were announced so long ago, I'm not sure I'll even live to play them. Sort it out Sony! "

Well considering we have just had GT5:P, MGS4 in a months time, Wipeout soon after with Little big planet not to far after that, we then get R2 + K2 after the turn of the year. Not to mention all the other games that I've missed out and obvious multiplatform releases. More than enough games to keep somebody going and if it doesn't....you really need to get out more.

Why not hold back a "lesser" title, they've been cock-waving about this one since before the hardware launch so to delay it for any reason other than it not being ready just makes Sony look (more) stupid.

"Why not hold back a "lesser" title, they've been cock-waving about this one since before the hardware launch so to delay it for any reason other than it not being ready just makes Sony look (more) stupid."

Because that would decrease the chances of people buying both games, this way people are more likely to buy the lesser game to tide them over till Killzone comes out and buy that too.