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John Carmack's QuakeCon Keynote Article

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Article by Tom Bramwell

1 August, 2008

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John Carmack delivered his annual QuakeCon sermon to devoted id Software worshippers in Texas tonight. Following a few announcements and brief trailers of Rage and Wolfenstein, introduced by CEO Todd Hollenshead, Carmack took the microphone and (after a while) a seat and rambled absorbingly about everything from mobile games and in-game ads to his admiration from Nintendo and his thoughts on the rest of this console generation. Here are few hastily transcribed highlights.

On making Wolf RPG suitable for mobiles

"I hope that Apple winds up scaring the rest of the carrier groups and handheld developers into adopting some of the progressive things that Apple's got there. I can't say I've got really high hopes for that. It's really frustrating dealing with a lot of it. As you may have noticed from the trailer, there's a distinct lack of actual Nazis or Hitler or any of that in the Wolf RPG, because T-Mobile and whoever just get all upset and irritated about such things that might upset their customers, and that is frustrating - it's like very old-days Nintendo. I think Nintendo grew up out of that kind of nanny protectionism sort of thing, and we can hope that the iPhone sends a wake-up signal and the other carriers will start thinking of relaxing some of the limits." [Carmack later says he hopes Wolf RPG will be out on every mobile platform this year.]

On how mobile could be the biggest platform

"iPhone is obviously significant but it's not going to take over the world. There's not going to be a billion iPhones going out there in China and India and all that. The other carriers and the other platforms are still important. When you look at the numbers there, there could wind up being more people playing games on the mobile phone platforms than on all the other platforms put together when you do wind up finding a good commercial infrastructure and hand-me-down hardware going into massive markets like China and India, so we still care about a lot of things there." [Carmack also says he will "at least be looking at" Google's Android mobile OS.]

On why it's "Quake Live" and not "Quake Zero"

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We would have changed the name to Quake Get Indoors Before It Rains.

"Last year here we announced Quake Zero. This was an idea that had been born mere weeks before QuakeCon. Here we were being a little haphazard about it and I get up and I talk about it and some domain-squatter goes and grabs some of the internet names. They offered us a considered buyout option for it, but we just decided, 'heck, we're only a month into the development of this, we're just going to change the name and avoid paying the little blackmailers'." [Massive cheers obscured his next comment.]

On "the hubris of game developers"

"It's almost good to take some of these little moments of humility where...we were thinking it was going to be a six-month development project, and the gaming side of it really was, but the hubris of game developers! We were like, 'ah this web development stuff can't be all that tough' and that was the thing that really has been the driving factor on the project - making sure of all the crap that web developers know about like making it work on all the different platforms and OS versions. We're working our way through that and have brought in some people with that experience." [Id plans to open the Quake Live beta up to 100-200,000 people "over the next month or so", project lead Marty Stratton said elsewhere in the QuakeCon conference.]

On why Quake Live isn't a "fifty-dollar boxed game"

"Quake Live is really special for me in that [Quake 3 Arena] was always my favourite game at id. I liked the purity of the game. And it's unfortunately true that you just can't do a fifty-dollar boxed game that's that pure. For sensible reasons - that's a lot of money and people expect a 20, 30-million-dollar-plus development project when you go out and buy a brand new boxed game. That's just the reality of what the media-heavy, triple-A title market is - and we're pushing that with Rage and with Doom, but it's a little bit saddening when you have to do everything and the kitchen sink because it's expected, even if it's not exactly what the game is fundamentally about. And Quake Arena was always very pure - it is a tournament, deathmatch-oriented game, and to be able to take that back, polish it up some, and put you into an environment where we can make it - you can't go out and charge fifty bucks for something like this - but Quake is still a hell of a lot of fun."

On in-game advertising in Quake Live

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Carmack reckons in-game ads actually suit Quake Live.

"I get asked a lot in interviews if we think in-game advertising is something that might be the wave of the future for PC gaming. And I always answer no, I don't think it's the wave of the future that's going to take off in lots of games, because there's lots of games it's just not appropriate for. We have said that if Quake Live is very successful the next thing we might look at [for a Quake Live-style game] is Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, which was always a more popular online game with more players than Quake Arena was, but it's hard to see how we do the same treatment with it. Like, you're running around fighting the Nazis and there's a billboard for Intel or something...

"But if you play Quake Live today and you look at it, the billboards...the set-up is really tastefully done, it feels right. The game was always about this arena for combat, and now it just has billboards, and looks stylish and cool, and while we talked about maybe at some point having some kind of a 'pro' mode where you pay extra, we wouldn't want to turn off advertising. I know that's popular for ad-supported stuff where you have an ad-supported mode, you pay something and the ads go away, but if you turn the ads off in Quake Live it will just look a lot worse - the levels would seem empty, the website would seem much more dead, and it just wouldn't be a positive thing, so that's not really an option we're even thinking about."

On the lack of mod support in Quake Live

"One of the big things that was unknown last year but we have a final decision on - and I'm sure it's not going to be a popular response, but there is no official mod support in Quake Live. As we surveyed all the things that we have to do and we want to do in terms of making the game as robust and seamless and problem-free, we just really can't support random mods. A lot of gameplay types that were popular have been integrated, but we do not have an ability to just say, 'here's the SDK for Quake Live, here's a mod, let me go start playing'." [...] "We're working with a lot of people on integrating things into Quake Live as official game styles and modifications, and we'll just have to see how that goes."

On what id won't do with the Quake Live concept

"Quake Live's not going to be a portal - I get asked that a lot. It's not going to become this place with lots of games where you can go and pick and choose. We may look at Enemy Territory, we may wind up supporting Doom in some way, but they will be separate and distinct projects. We're not trying to make a new casual gaming destination or something like that."

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indotoonster
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What a wind up.
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I always think its nice to hear/read a senior guy from the games industry talk about his passions and thought without it being PR-ed to death.
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Yeah, interesting read. Always liked his attitude.
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i watched the first 3 parts of this on youtube (30 minutes) and i just love listening to carmack. you know he just loves what he does and always wants to push technology and ideas, and on top of that he's incredibly smart so i'm always in awe. can't wait to get home and watch the rest tonight.

that's pretty funny about the quake zero domain squatter. why didn't they think of getting the domain before they announced it? stupid mistake IMO.
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Always enjoy reading Carmacks stuff, he's a very intelligent guy.

Especially agreed with this part

"but it's a little bit saddening when you have to do everything and the kitchen sink because it's expected, even if it's not exactly what the game is fundamentally about."

Nothing wrong with an balls to wall high pace high action deathmatch tournament style game. It's like watching a mindless action film, sometimes I don't want to have to think about tactics and team mates. I just want lots of health and stupid guns. Yet apparently that's not good enough anymore, we have "moved on", apart from now most FPS feel exactly the same in single player and multiplayer as they all try and do the same damn thing.

Quake Live is my most anticipated game this year, I am really interested in how its going to work. If it works well it could open a lot of new doors for developing games on the PC.
kangarootoo
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I love voxels. I have great memories of them :)
IronCladChicken
01/08/08 @ 08:42
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When did ID lose their touch? - Somewhere between Quake 3 Arena & Doom3?
elysrum
01/08/08 @ 08:57
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@Kangarootoo

Indeed. I tried installing and playing Outcast again the other month.
Damn but it looks awful these days.

Put me right off. I really could not tell what I was looking at.

Hey ho, rose coloured spectacles and all that. Didn't realise I'd turned into a graphics whore.
Britesparc
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Seriously, are voxels making a comeback? How very 1998.

I always remember the voxel wonder that was Tiberium Wars. Full of voxels, looked worse than most 2D pixel-based games.
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The original Commanche was ace
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"Quake Live is really special for me in that [Quake 3 Arena] was always my favourite game at id."

omg what a man, me too
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"but it's a little bit saddening when you have to do everything and the kitchen sink because it's expected, even if it's not exactly what the game is fundamentally about."

So why not just release it at a lower price, or do like Valve did with the Orange Box and add it to a package?
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>Seriously, are voxels making a comeback? How very 1998.

Seriously.... voxels are in fact the future but no hardware has been able to push them to a high enough level. Think about it... models get more detailed and that (usually) means polygons get smaller. The smaller a polygon gets, the closer it comes to a voxel. BTW the real world isn't made out of polygons, it is made out of atoms (very small voxels so to speak).

A lof of graphic gurus are looking at ways to go in this direction... just don't expect them in games soon ;)

BTW some cool old voxel project. Just imagine this with very very tiny voxels ;)
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Bluray owns that inferior dvd.
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Thought is said John Mc Cririck for a minute then...
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"Bluray owns that inferior dvd. "

thanks captain obvious...
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QL is the one game that could possibly, finally drag me kicking and screaming away from Quakeworld... maybe.
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Ouch! The father of PC gaming just said PC has challenges, what he mean is that PC is goner!
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I'm trying to find a video of Carmack's keynote - has anyone found it anywhere?
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"Ouch! The father of PC gaming just said PC has challenges, what he mean is that PC is goner!"

/sigh.

No it isn't.

But it does have issues at the moment that hinder it moving forward. Like no single company throwing millions into PR and advertising to appeal to brain dead chumps like yourself.
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Ahh voxels RA2 wouldn't of been as good without you.
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"Ouch! The father of PC gaming just said PC has challenges, what he mean is that PC is goner! "

he said nothing of the sort. all he said was that console gaming wouldn't die.
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lol EG didnt highlight that dvd sucks.
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As far as I remember, Novalogic 'copter sim Comanche: Maximum Overkill was based on a voxel engine, and it dated 1992. It was completely software-based (no dedicated hardware, back then) and it looked amazing by '92 standards, even if it required a good 486 to be fully enjoyed.

Although the game was really poor, nothing more than a showcase for Novalogic engine, it was a real sensation when it came out. But strangely enough the hype cooled off quite quickly, the technology spawned no sequels nor imitations and died silently (*). More or less at the same time, the world took the path of texured polygons, essentially the one of ID engines (Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake), on which it is still walking on today

Voxel coming back now sounds as a sort of giant "What if...?" about what the gaming world would have been, had voxel engines been the path of choice in '92.


(*) well, it seems that is not completely correct: wiki says that at least one other famous game - before Tiberium Wars- was made using a voxel engine: Westwood's Blade Runner.
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I think Blade Runner just used Voxels for the characters though....because they looked pretty bad in-game
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"lol EG didnt highlight that dvd sucks."

I don't even remember that bit. Probably blame jetlag. That stuff was just transcribed out of the 110-minute tape of the main drag of his keynote. It's probably about 15 minutes of the actual runtime in quotes - just the top-layer stuff. He's a fascinating chap to watch and he gave a good interview too, which we'll be putting up next week.

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