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John Carmack talks Doom RPG Interview

PC Mobile Interview by Kristan Reed

9 January, 2006

After 15 years of being right at the bleeding edge of gaming technology, John Carmack's decision to turn his talents to mobile phone gaming was unexpected to say the least. But maybe, after spending so long on creating the Doom III engine, what he needed more than anything was to get his teeth into a project that wasn't going to take four or five years to turn around. Like many in the industry, perhaps Carmack hungered for a return to the era when you could turn around a project in under six months.

Almost a hobby project, DoomRPG presented Carmack with the perfect opportunity to do just that, and at the end of last year mobile phone gamers were presented with the first all-new id mobile game. But unlike so many ill-fitting conversions, DoomRPG was designed from the ground up to fit the slightly quirky demands of mobile gaming, where clunky user interfaces and inappropriate input devices force all manner of odd compromises upon game developers. What emerged was a game that took all of these issues into account, yet delivered something that appears to use the essence of the original Doom titles sympathetically and yet uniquely.

But what might have appeared to be a one-off hobby horse could well be the start of an interesting new direction for Carmack and co. and the id main man reveals that he has more mobile offerings in store...

Eurogamer: How much personal creative involvement did you have with DoomRPG, and what inspired you to do a mobile phone-only Doom in the first place?

John Carmack: Getting into this was really a sort of random event - a year ago, I rarely carried a cell phone, and it was just an old black and white clunker. When my wife gave me a new mid-range phone with a decent colour display and some bad game demos on it, I had my curiosity piqued a little about the platform. It turned out to be really easy to develop Java applications for the phone, so I played around a little bit and started thinking about what elements would make a good game for the platform.

I wrote a proof-of-concept demo of the basic rendering and play style, and then turned it over to Fountainhead Entertainment to develop into a full game. I did some additional programming work when we started on the BREW version, and I acted as the producer for the project.

'John Carmack talks Doom RPG' Screenshot carmack1

The man himself.

Eurogamer: What kind of technical limitations were you up against, and how did you go about overcoming them? How long did the project take from start to finish?

John Carmack: Starting on the Java phones, getting decent speed was the biggest concern. Towards the end of the project it became clear that the Java sound API implementations are hideously broken on most phones.

Total time for the Java version was about four months, and another two months to expand the game for high-end BREW phones.

Eurogamer: Is this the first of many id-related mobile phone adaptations? Any plans for taking an RPG approach to your other brands like Quake or Wolfenstein?

John Carmack: Probably not more RPGs based on id titles, but there is another mobile genre-swapping idea that we may be pursuing based on Quake 3 Arena. Stay tuned...

Eurogamer: With most of id's projects taking years to complete, was it refreshing to actually be able to make a game in such a short space of time? Does it make you hunger for a return to those kinds of working practises?

John Carmack: I have been harping on about the evolutionary benefits you get with short development cycles, and our second mobile game will be a clear example of this. It is a traditional fantasy-themed RPG built off the experience gained with DoomRPG, and it is just better in every way. Doing two evolutionary cycles in less than a year is a huge win!

I do wish that PC/console games didn't take so many years to create, but it is essentially a fact of life, so I don't waste any effort bemoaning it.

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Eye like the look of this on the BREW handset.

Eurogamer: John Romero obviously has mobile gaming experience and knows a thing or two about Doom - did you consider seeking his input at all?

John Carmack: No, John and I rarely talk.

Eurogamer: Doom the movie has recently hit the cinemas over here. What are your thoughts on the movie? Did they seek your input, and do you think it breaks the traditional game-to-movie mould?

John Carmack: I intentionally kept myself away from all production aspects of the movie, because I didn't want to butt in where I had no particular skills to contribute, and I wanted to see the end product with fresh eyes. I would have settled for "not miserable", but I actually enjoyed the movie a lot. It obviously isn't an Oscar candidate, but I thought there were some clever bits to it, and the action was basically non-stop.

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a_random_gnome
09/01/06 @ 13:18
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A quite interesting interview that has to do with the best phone game to date. Interesting and with an oldschool feel to it.
Thank you...
brokenkey
09/01/06 @ 13:19
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So its bascially the old Atari game "Dungeon Master", but with Doom branded monsters..
ED209
09/01/06 @ 13:24
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mobile phone games = most pointless thing ever.

That is all.
Carlo
09/01/06 @ 13:26
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Pat... you been using your 50mm prime lens again?

(Nice!)

Edit: BTW I agree with broken key. Dungeon master FTW... Only Dungeon master is a AAA game.. If Doom's just as good... It'll be a winner.
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patlike
09/01/06 @ 13:28
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I wish, Carlo. I've never met Mr Carmack, unfortunately :(
Kami
09/01/06 @ 13:33
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Thing is Bengali, he's an insanely rich geek.
Bertie [staff]
09/01/06 @ 13:35
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Shocker! World-famous Programmer looks like a geek... ;)
Carpathian
09/01/06 @ 13:51
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Sees "DoomRPG" and opens story with interest.

Sees "Mobile phone only" and closes it in laughter.
davyuk
09/01/06 @ 13:57
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And when he's not writing game engines in his sleep, he's building spaceships. Seriously: www.armadilloaerospace.com
Aga
09/01/06 @ 13:58
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the master has spoken
afray
09/01/06 @ 14:16
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I've had this game for a few months. D/L'd when drunk at the pub when we were al talking about it.

Seriously: It rocks.

Really, really, really good. The best phone game I've ever played, for sure (I don't play many, but more than the average joe). It's "Doom" but the turn-based elements mean the framerate and reactions don't really matter. It's tactical without being too taxing. The weapons are all there (including the supershottie), and it starts with *that* music.

Much more than a cash-in.

And as someone who's done a little java mobile development (although I mainly work on PC and PS2), I sympathise with Carmack's attempts to get sound to work on handsets. Spent ages implementing a nice cascading sound system, only for it to be ripped out because SE/Motorola/whoever can't read specs. :-)

(*plug* get the wallace&gromit CurseOfTheWareRabbit mobile phone game, it's very enjoyable, playable in short bursts, and has longevity! *plug*)
Teeth
09/01/06 @ 14:33
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A thread such as this is useless with a link to the DOOM Roguelike!

edit: I meant 'without', of course.
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UncleLou
09/01/06 @ 14:37
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Nice photo. Carmack looks ... different. More mature.
afray
09/01/06 @ 14:44
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wow!

maybe that's where he got the idea. :-)
Eldritch
09/01/06 @ 15:14
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Kristan, when did you guys do this interview?
Xerx3s
09/01/06 @ 15:31
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Something for xbla perhaps? Without the crappy controles.
BillGaitas
09/01/06 @ 16:27
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BANG BANG BANG

I shot you all

/next players turn
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krudster [mod]
09/01/06 @ 17:00
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Interview was last month.
velocity_girl
09/01/06 @ 17:58
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Should of asked him about his thoughts on the next gen consoles while you were there... would be interesting to hear
urban
09/01/06 @ 20:27
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what a legend
Qbert2k
09/01/06 @ 22:04
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" Should of asked him about his thoughts on the next gen consoles while you were there... would be interesting to hear"

He already said what he thought of the next-gen consoles a while back. The ps3 is more powerful but the xbox 360 is easier to work with and he's indifferent to the revolution.
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