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Defcon Interview

PC Interview by Kieron Gillen

18 January, 2006

Introversion have made it a habit to release brilliant games. This has been constant. What's varied is how easy they have been to explain. So far, they've alternated in terms of how easy it is to grasp them. First, Uplink, which was a hacker sim. Easy. Second came Darwinia, which is, depending on your inclination, either an RTS with wonky pathfinding and some substandard graphics or one of the best games of the last twelve months straddling half a dozen genres and a worthy subject for beat-poetry. Defcon, Introversion's recently announced new game, is a return to Uplink's tradition in that it's interesting but immediately graspable.

What is it? It's That Bit In Wargames, You Know After The Machine Plays Tic-Tac-Toe With Itself When Old-Skool Graphics Of Nuclear Armageddon Flash Forth And Phrases Like Turkish Thrust Are Emblazoned Across The Screen And The World Ends One Hundred Times A Second Until The Computer Realises That War Is Bad And No-one Can Win But Hell! At Least It Looks Good, Oh Yeah, That Bit... but a game.

Essentially, it's a real-time tactical game charting a nuclear falling out between the world's superpowers, a multiplayer game with a multibillion death-count. Silos sit waiting, either able to discharge their missiles or act as anti-missile fire... but not simultaneously, with a delay between switching between one sort and another. Submarines inch closer to an unsuspecting coastline, cutting down the reaction time for the opposing, arrogant superpower to react. Fleets circle the surface, sonar trying to locate subs for depth charges. And in the end, megadeath, nuclear armadgeddon.

In Nuclear War, no-one wins. But maybe - just maybe - you can lose the least.

We bounced e-mails with the effusive Chris Delay, the prime creative force at Introversion, to see what their plans are for making Doomsday as pleasant for us all as possible.

Eurogamer: Let's start at the highest level here. What's Defcon all about?

Chris Delay: The game simulates Global Thermonuclear War.

Eurogamer: And, in an ideal world, we should end the interview just there, but I think we'd probably better elaborate a bit. How does the game work? What sort of vibe have you gone for?

Chris Delay: Points are scored by successfully nuking the enemy civilian population into oblivion. This is an extremely difficult task because launching an attack on the enemy makes you very vulnerable - Ground Silos and Subs and Bombers all give away their positions the moment they launch nuclear weapons.

We're playing this game every day and people keep coming up with new strategies - but the bottom line is it's very difficult to win convincingly. Games often end with both sides obliterated. It's a fascinating and nervous game to play.

We've gone for a very minimal atmosphere, with some wonderful ambient music playing (written by Alistair Lindsay and Michael Maidment - the same guys that did the awesome Darwinia audio). There's very little in-game sound except deep rumbles when nukes hit. It's like you're ten miles underground in a bunker, bringing the world to an end one city at a time, completely detached from the millions of deaths you are causing.

'Defcon' Screenshot 1

Yeah, this doesn't look good.

Eurogamer: The inspiration of the game's obvious - the film Wargames with its iconic images of nuclear Armageddon sprayed a computer monitor - but what was it about this which appealed specifically to you?

Chris Delay: Firstly it's a great movie. It's one of those movies that I loved when I was a child. The hacking elements became one of the big inspirations for Uplink. In fact two of my favourite childhood movies were Wargames and Tron, which probably explains quite a lot.

Watching the movie it dawned on me that there was a really cool game idea in that movie, and that nobody had really attempted it. There are some games which successfully simulate warfare across the world but they tend to be too heavily strategic (e.g. turn-based and stat-heavy). I wanted to see a game that looked like the movie, with vector-lined Soviet subs closing in on your coastline. Most of all I wanted to recreate that tension and paranoia.

Eurogamer: The main precursor I see for the game is Missile Command. A much more tactical multiplayer Missile Command for the 21st century? Fair description or just over-hard attempt at a snappy sound bite?

Chris Delay: Both, I think.

Defcon is more tactical and less arcade-like than Missile Command, and of course you are playing the attacker as well as the defender. But in Defcon you never personally shoot down incoming missiles - you don't aim the guns yourself.

Eurogamer: It's your first multiplayer centred game - what sort of difficulties have you faced getting this to work? In fact, what difficulties generally have you faced compared to your previous games?

Chris Delay: Actually Defcon is based on the same multiplayer architecture as Darwinia. Although Darwinia is a single-player game its actually running a multiplayer style server-client system behind the scenes, and it was originally intended to be multiplayer only. Someday we might create Multiwinia, but for now we are using the same system to provide multiplayer to Defcon.

Defcon has been a considerably shorter project to build than Darwinia - around six months so far compared to three years with Darwinia. It's a simpler and purer game in almost every sense. After Darwinia I think we all wanted a more controlled game design method.

Eurogamer: So you're re-using technology. Is there anything else which was recycled from Darwinia? Six months seems extremely fast.

Chris Delay: Defcon was started during Darwinia's development, actually as far back as 2003. I was bored with Darwinia and started messing around with this idea for a Wargames-inspired game. The networking is totally stolen from Darwinia but almost eveyrthing else is new - i.e. the graphics system shares very little code with Darwinia.

We are re-using the sound engine we developed for Darwinia plus a load of basic library code. Each time we make a game it gets easier, but I doubt we'll ever have our own "graphics engine" - the rendering methods for Uplink/Darwinia/Defcon are all so radically different from each other.

'Defcon' Screenshot 2

The Cuban Missile Crisis II: Oh, we really screwed this one up.

Eurogamer: I'm aware that there's a financial pressure on introversion after Darwinia's relatively slender sales, but I get the feeling from talking to you that even if it was more of a financial success, you may have leant towards making a quicker-to-construct game after Darwinia anyway. Journalist's fantasy?

Chris Delay: Regardless of Darwinia's success or not, Defcon was always going to be the third game. We already had a working prototype (developed by me in just seven days) which had the networking and visual style and basic gameplay already working. That said, it's very nice to be working on something much more controlled than Darwinia. We actually know where we are going with this game.

Eurogamer: In fact, speaking generally, what have you learnt from Darwinia which you applied to this?

Chris Delay: Content. Is. Bad.

Specifically, content is bad if you're a small team. Even with Darwinia's retro look and feel it took months to make all the custom content - almost every level had something special on it that wasn't on any other level. The second demo level we made took us over four months! For just one level with about an hour's gameplay.

Defcon is a wonderful project because it's almost entirely "content free". The world map continent data is publicly available, the world's major cities are all well known, the icons are simple, there's no custom level designs or cut-scenes or dialog or anything - its just a pure game. The only serious content we are producing is the music.

Eurogamer: Could you talk a little about the multiplayer modes? I was especially interested at the idea of a game out over an entire work-day.

Chris Delay: Yeah, we're very excited by Office Mode. The basic idea is that a group of work-mates can start the game up in the morning in Office Mode, playing over their local area network. The game takes place entirely in real-time (you can quite easily end the world with nuclear conflict in eight hours) and each player controls one territory, e.g. North America or Russia. You can hit the Panic key (press escape twice) which immediately removes the game from the screen and places a discreet icon in your system tray. That icon changes when important things happen - for example if you detect some nuclear launches the icon will flash as a Nuke for a few seconds. Because everything is taking place in real-time you've got at least 30 minutes before those nukes land, so you've got plenty of time to respond without interfering with your real work too much.

Eurogamer: So, in comparison, how does the more standard game work out?

Chris Delay: Standard games typically take 30-40 minutes to play out. In a standard game you can set the game-speed - anywhere from real-time up to 20x real-time. In multiplayer the game runs at the slowest requested speed.

We also start the game at Defcon 5, and bring it down every few minutes to 4, 3, 2, eventually to 1. At each stage the player's options increase - e.g. you can only fire nukes in Defcon 1. You can only engage the enemy in Defcon 3 or higher, you can only go into enemy territory in 4 upwards etc. We did this to allow for a slow build up to the game, rather than a clickfest in the first few minutes. Defcon is a thinking man's game, so we don't want to give any serious advantages to the person who can click the quickest.

'Defcon' Screenshot 3

We've got the whole world. In our hands. And we're squeezing.

Eurogamer: Unlike the real Cold War, the game supports more than two superpowers. How does that operate?

Chris Delay: We're also building a fairly complex Alliances system. If six players fight each other it tends to end up a shambles, so we're permitting players to form alliances and play (say) three versus three. Each individual player is still playing to win - their score is independent of their alliance's progress, and players can betray their alliances and switch to the opponent's teams if they choose to and are able to convince the enemy to permit it. (This is determined by a vote of all the players in the destination alliance). We're predicting its going to get quite ugly, with players attempting to line up the perfect attack on a team-mate before betraying them and striking at a key moment. There's going to be a lot of paranoia in alliance games. We've got in-game IRC between players (public and private) and we've noticed lots of "wheeling and dealing" in the games we've played, with players desperately trying to secure their alliances.

Eurogamer: Care to give an example of the sort of Machiavellian disasters we can see?

Chris Delay: We've seen alliance members shooting overhead friendly planes down because they believed the planes were scouting the area for targets in preparation for a strike. This results in arguments in the chat channels, followed by skirmishes at sea, followed by retaliation, before finally the whole alliance collapses and everyone starts nuking the hell out of each other. It's awesome.

Eurogamer: Scouting which implies some manner of line of sight system or similar. Right?

Chris Delay: Every unit in-game has some radar coverage in a circle around it. Some units (e.g. Radar stations) have longer-range radar than others. You can only see enemy units if they are on your Radar. Once a stationary object has been seen by your radar it will remain on your screen as a "ghost", since you know its there from that point on. Hence a common tactic is to fly aircraft over enemy territory hoping to spot enemy silos and radars. If you can spot the enemy Radars and take them out early it makes the remainder of your attack considerably easier, because their AA guns get far less warning of you coming.

Some units don't show up on your radar - e.g. Subs or Bombers in stealth mode. Subs can be detected by putting your sea vessels into Sonar mode, so long as you are near enough. Subs can themselves go into Sonar mode (to seak other subs) but it lights up their position on the enemies radar. You can view your own radar at any time in-game.

It's worth mentioning that alliances and betrayals are all options that can be disabled when the game is starting up, if you fancy a slightly more friendly game of global nuclear war.

Eurogamer: While multiplayer seems to be the focus, is there any single-player content planned at all? What form will it take?

Chris Delay: We're providing a Defcon computer player - effectively a bot. You can include as many of them as you like in the games you are setting up. So you could play a normal game of Defcon against (say) three enemy computer players.

The single-player also contains a tutorial for learning the game, with computer players as the enemy. But Defcon is pretty easy to learn to play - just very hard to win.

Eurogamer: When do you expect the game to be finished?

Chris Delay: We're currently estimating it will be finished in April.

Eurogamer: And then the world ends.

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FIRST FIRST FIRST!
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w00t, that sounds awesome, especially the Office Mode. As a sometimes International Relations student, I anticipate this edu-tainment with relish!
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lol @ bertie
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sounds wicked, could be the first pc game i've bought in years
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This sounds awesome. Especially the fact that they've included thermonuclear backstabbing as an option.
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Nice one! Always wanted a game like this. Thought superpowers 2 was gonna be it but nyt!

Keeping my beadys on this one.
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"Yeah, we're very excited by Office Mode. The basic idea is that a group of work-mates can start the game up in the morning in Office Mode, playing over their local area network. The game takes place entirely in real-time (you can quite easily end the world with nuclear conflict in eight hours) and each player controls one territory, e.g. North America or Russia. You can hit the Panic key (press escape twice) which immediately removes the game from the screen and places a discreet icon in your system tray. That icon changes when important things happen - for example if you detect some nuclear launches the icon will flash as a Nuke for a few seconds. Because everything is taking place in real-time you've got at least 30 minutes before those nukes land, so you've got plenty of time to respond without interfering with your real work too much."

The workplace is about to melt... Bang goes our productivity!
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18/01/06 @ 16:25
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It was only a matter of time before someone brought back the fabled Boss Key.
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Sounds and looks pretty ace... I never really saw the "game" in Darwinia (only played the 1st demo level admittedly) but this looks proper.... The Diplomacy aspects and itchy-trigger finger alliances sound great.
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18/01/06 @ 16:26
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Excellent. Now I've just got to get myself an office!
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18/01/06 @ 16:32
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Holy shit, this looks amazing. What an idea!

Like the best of them, it seems so obvious in retrospect.

Can't wait. This could be a major game for 2006.
Eldritch
18/01/06 @ 16:41
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So, this is basically like "Balance of Power" on the Amiga?
davesy
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fancy a game of chess
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18/01/06 @ 16:51
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Firstly it's a great movie. It's one of those movies that I loved when I was a child.
damn it you can still watch it today and its ace!!

I had a game a bit like this on the Atari ST. Can't remember what it was called but you played the commander of the world and had to keep countries happy else they went to war, or voted you out of power. After a while I just used to give loads of nuclear weapons to small coutnries and take them away from the US and watch wars start. It wasn't very interesting game.
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Any news on there being a Mac version. Doubtful I know, but if the game is (relatively) graphic and content-light I'd hope it wouldn't be a massive job.

We have a mixed Mac/PC office, and it'd be nice if we could all play together, nuking Seven Shades of Jesus out of each other.
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18/01/06 @ 17:24
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Where can you pick up Uplink? Loved Darwinia, so may as well try their other one.
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18/01/06 @ 17:26
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You can get it from Introversion's store

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18/01/06 @ 17:26
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Wow, Kieron praising Introversion. What a surprise.
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lol I wonder what Jack Thompson would say about this "global genocide simulator" teaching our kids to wipe out large portions of the worlds population!

chortle :)
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I like Introversion software.

They do their own thing and don't worry about what the neighbours are doing, and I think that's about as cool as you can get.
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Any news on there being a Mac version. Doubtful I know, but if the game is (relatively) graphic and content-light I'd hope it wouldn't be a massive job.


A Mac port is fairly likely actually. Both Darwinia and Uplink were ported.
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Concept sounds a lot like a stripped-down Superpower 2, could be the right move for such a theme.

Those comments on content are not so positive. They got an excuse perhaps but even big companies seem to have problems with providing value for money.
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We've seen alliance members shooting overhead friendly planes down because they believed the planes were scouting the area for targets in preparation for a strike. This results in arguments in the chat channels, followed by skirmishes at sea, followed by retaliation, before finally the whole alliance collapses and everyone starts nuking the hell out of each other. It's awesome.

Hehe. :)

Sounds good!
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This sounds amazing! Make sure you put out a Linux version too please! Then uni-work productivity will be right down the pan! ;)
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If the only way to win is not to play, then I'm going to fucking lose.

Can't wait.
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Cheers for the linkage Chimpy old boy!
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"FIRST FIRST FIRST!"

Sorry mate, but thats only relative. You could also be the last, depending on various factors. -_-
WooHoo!!!
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Awesome, looks sweet. Loved uplink, this should be great too.
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If this is a succes, would that make an update/followup on CyberJudas possible?
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Fantastic! WarGames is my favourite movie. :D
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This game is going to spawn a multiplayer renaissance.
Awesome, it will be.
Awesome. Just so.
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19/01/06 @ 00:52
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This is very much like a game I used to have for the Amstrad CPC, In it you were in charge of the US's star wars anti ICBM system and had to create the system so it could defend the US. Gradually the tension would build and build until the sirens of nuclear war went off, then all you could do was wait for the world to blow up... :)

I hope that they put a map editor in this. Changing the maps (continents and city locations) will lead to all sorts of new strategies that have to be used and will add massively to the longevity of the game.

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What I dont get is...can you ever really have a victor in a Global Thermo-Nuclear war?

Think on that kids.
Until next time, take care of yourselves. And each other.
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19/01/06 @ 01:39
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Probably the first game on the PC that's interested me in an awful long time.
The graphics looks basic enough too so i'm hoping i'll be able to run it.
ClansOfIntrigue
19/01/06 @ 02:59
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Looks like Psygnosis' Global Domination (a less globular version thereof)
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Looks tasty, can't wait.
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The idea is great, the screenshot are fascinating, the game looks like something that could have been done in the last 10 years but nobody had the idea before... if this is as good as it looks from the preview, it will become a classic. I - WANT - THIS - GAME.
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Yay! This looks rather good. I do admire Introversion - Uplink is amazing. I can only hope this will be as good.
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omigod. Been waiting for this game since playing Nuclear War on the Amiga500.

Infidel Castro FTW!
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The last game I bought for PC was Darwinia and the next one looks like it'll be Defcon. If this doesn't sell, I'll be very, very upset with all of you.
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19/01/06 @ 11:57
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I didn't know Darwinia was unsuccesful, but I guess there are explanations for it. High price, unavailability in many places, download option only with Steam and very late...

Anyway, Defcon sounds positively brilliant. I can't wait.
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19/01/06 @ 12:55
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'The Final Conflict' on the ST was the same concept only it DID include the missile command mini-game.
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Was it final conflict that took place in the middle East. You could buy arms from a selection of countries until you became too aggressive and then only the arms dealer would sell to you. I believe you could only play as Israel.
I think it was on the Amiga so might be the same as your ST Sucram :)
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High price, unavailability in many places, download option only with Steam and very late...

£20 a high price? And it was available to download direct months before they used Steam.
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£20 is ahigh price for a indie game, in my opinion. And also let's not forget that, while good, the game was quite low on content.

I didn't know it was available for download.
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19/01/06 @ 16:10
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It's only $19.99 on steam. What's that.. about £13? Well worth it.
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"It's only $19.99 on steam. What's that.. about £13? Well worth it."

About £11.34 actually ;]
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Kraftwerk, if War Games is your favourite movie then Im afraid you are lacking in taste...
The game sounds pucker though!
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"Was it final conflict that took place in the middle East."

No, well yes but not just there. It was a global map like Defcon. There were serveral scenarios like a Middle Eastern Conflict and Cold War Scenario which setup which countries were 'you' and which were 'them'.

Basically you built tanks, troops and missiles and moved/launched them into you neighbours (neutral or not) building up your resources until 'them' was an irradiated blot. It had a screen covered in lines showing the missiles incoming in accelerated time, like WarGames and alarm when they were about to hit etc. etc.
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Pablo2k5:
It just describes exactly who I would want to be, who I would want to be with, and what I would want to do. Whenever I watch it, I'm on top of the world. If being madly in love with Ally Sheedy defines lacking in taste, so be it. :) What's your favourite movie?

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