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Interview by Tom Bramwell

25 January, 2006

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Eurogamer: You mentioned you want to achieve further handheld growth in 2006 - are you going to achieve that with another iteration of the DS hardware?

David Yarnton: We've got the hardware there now and I think one of the things we've seen in Japan where the growth has come is the release of the content. I mean, Nintendogs was the first one that came and gave us a spike - okay, seasonality as well, but we still haven't actually caught up on Nintendogs and there's still demand out there we haven't supplied. Next one is Brain Training and we've seen the same thing in Japan and as I mentioned with Brain Training it was 13 weeks after launch that it hit its first big spike and then continued to get higher - and those people are new users as well, so very much the content is the thing now.

Eurogamer: That's true obviously, but Nintendo does have a history of redesigning handheld hardware and there has been all this discussion about whether you guys are going to do a DS redesign this year.

David Yarnton: If I turned around and said to my staff that we're doing something new they'd probably throttle me, because what with this last 12 months of product that we've done and also what we've got in the first quarter...

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Eurogamer: Can you categorically rule out then that you'll have a DS redesign announcement at E3?

David Yarnton: That's been rumoured, I don't know for how long, but we haven't got any plans at the moment. Nothing I know of.

Eurogamer: One of the things we have heard Nintendo talk about and even Nintendo UK, which is obviously different to the way things have been in the past, is the next-generation console. Obviously you're not talking about that today, but in general, Microsoft's done a global launch, Sony... although they're being quiet about it, from what we've heard from publishers and so on, they're saying they absolutely have to launch in all areas this year. Are you going to be the only people that launch a console in 2007?

David Yarnton: If you look at other companies... We've got so many products to juggle. One of the things is we always want to make sure we do it properly and do it right, and we'll launch when we're ready and when the product's right, and that's all under control as far as we're concerned.

Eurogamer: Would it be fair to say that the questions we have regarding price and release date and so on will be fully answered in May when you do your big Revolution presentation?

David Yarnton: I think E3 will be the big one to wait for when, and I don't think anyone in the UK is going to get a sneak piece of information on something as important as that [laughs].

Eurogamer: How will you be supporting the GameCube this year?

David Yarnton: Ah well, look, we've got to be honest in the UK, especially. GameCube we can't say is, uh... We're number three and we've got product to release there, but I think what a lot of people don't realise is that GameCube in Europe is probably number two when you add up the other territories, and in Japan it's number two and in fact it's been outselling Xbox 360, so on a global basis GameCube is a very strong business for us as such. Unfortunately the UK market hasn't been our best area, but you know that's why we want to make sure for the future. And I think you'll find that a lot of things we've been doing and the way we've been doing things have been different to what we've done in the past, and not just I suppose in communicating with the media but also to some extent in the way we're dealing with trade. We're doing a lot of things with trade differently than we have in the past, and it's all to sort of make sure for the future that we do a better job.

Eurogamer: One of the things you said during your presentation... You had a slide talking about how Sony lost it a bit with the Walkman and now Apple's moving into their space - all part of your evolution theme. Obviously you guys have made no secret of your intention to move away from what you see as traditional gaming...

David Yarnton: No I think that's wrong in context, to the extent that we see it as one aspect of the business. We're not deserting the market that we have or those who've supported us over the years. What we're looking at doing is growing and to grow that we need to look in other areas, because that's a finite number of customers that you can have there and we're not going to, as I say, desert or neglect that.

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Eurogamer: Well yes, it was one of the three parts of Satoru Iwata's TGS speech along with keeping old gamers happy and attracting disenchanted gamers back, but what I was really getting at is that you're talking a big talk at the moment, and is that a reflection of Nintendo's ambition? Do you see yourselves as being able to regain what some would probably call your former glory?

David Yarnton: Our ambition is to be number one, so there's a number of different areas for us to do that. We can take them head on or we can move outside as well. We aim to be number one. We're number one in the handheld and there's no reason we can't be number one in the console area? In a number of markets, as I say, Sony dominates, but we're not far behind.

Eurogamer: So in this generation, you think?

David Yarnton: This generation as in GameCube? [Laughs] I don't think we'll catch up with GameCube.

Eurogamer: I'm already moving on a bit, sorry. In terms of Revolution, obviously.

David Yarnton: Who knows. Who knows.

Eurogamer: Have you played Xbox 360? What do you think of it as a machine?

David Yarnton: I've seen it, but I haven't played it to be honest. We've got one in the office and I've seen it in store. Some of our guys sit and I watch them play it. I was watching, I'm trying to think what the racing game was...

Eurogamer: Project Gotham?

David Yarnton: Yeah. It looked nice, but... I won't talk about opposition products.

Eurogamer: Okay so you're not talking about opposition products, but where do you see multiformat gaming going given that you're diverging so much? Are we likely to see popular games appear on the three consoles any more?

David Yarnton: I mean, you can look on Nintendo with popular games like Mario Kart and a lot of our games which are only on one format and they still sell really well, and a lot of people are probably wishing they were on multiformat. And there's room for that on all of them, and I think looking at the support we're getting from third party, I think it'll most definitely be not only multiformat games but also we know they'll develop exclusive games for Nintendo products as well. So a lot of them have seen the success of DS and the support we've got with them and the number of titles coming through is reflecting that. A few people may have made some wrong bets early on, but it's almost a floodgate coming back as far as support there. And we've got something like 20 titles that'll be launched just with ourselves on DS between now and April, and then you add third party on top of that so there's no dearth of titles.

Eurogamer: Don't you worry though on the Revolution that people are going to take a PS3 or Xbox 360 game, port it on the Revolution and then try and figure out how to make the control system work with it?

David Yarnton: One of the things we've said before with DS is that it's the start of us being able to provide consumers with a human interface, more opportunity and that's the progression I think we look at there, offering that much better gameplay experience people can have through the console or through the hand control, whatever it may be, making it simpler and easier while not neglecting the opportunities for complexity as well. But we can make it simple for people.

David Yarnton is general manager of Nintendo UK. We also spoke to David about related issues concerning Nintendo's trade ambitions, and you can read more about that side of the business on our sister site, GamesIndustry.biz.

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spidermanalf
25/01/06 @ 13:13
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How wonky are his eyes!
Ghetto-lapin
25/01/06 @ 13:14
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I don't think the Gamecube is number 2 in Europe, nor worldwide....
DaveTheHutt
25/01/06 @ 13:16
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The boss of a major console manufacturer, and he's not even taken 5 minutes out of his schedule to familiarise himself with a key product from one of his major competitors...? Incredible!!!

Hutt out
brokenkey
25/01/06 @ 13:18
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what a wanker. Why dcouldn't he give a straight, or even coherent, answer to the Gamecube support question?
reality_cheque
25/01/06 @ 13:18
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*drowns in a tidalwave of bullshit*

My god that bloke can chat.
reality_cheque
25/01/06 @ 13:20
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Rambadi: No, it's mine! Get ya own :P

Well, OK, I'll let you play too *passes over a pad*
Shadar
25/01/06 @ 13:24
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I don't know ... Keita Takahashi doesn't play many games, Shigeru Miyamoto didn't know Gran Turismo 4 had been released, Hideo Kojima hasn't played Splinter Cell and Hironobu Itagaki didn't know the Tekken-series has featured counter-attacks for nearly ten years.

That he hasn't bothered to laugh at the x360 launch games yet doesn't particularly bother me. He's a manager. An executive. He's supposed to consider the market, and not necessarily specifically what his opponents are doing in it. In fact, the x360 launch is probably entirily uninteresting to him from a business perspective. The x360 is not a direct competitor at the moment, and they can't really prevent Microsoft from building a position in the marketplace since their competing product is many months away. What he needs to consider is where the market as a whole is moving, not what early adoptors of a next-gen console thinks.
Shinji [mod]
25/01/06 @ 13:30
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So we're all in agreement that Jap developers live in their own little Hello Kitty sicky bubble producing a load of old garbage then. YAY!!!

No, sorry, that's just you :(
trevd72
25/01/06 @ 13:31
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well, nintendo UK are certainly in trouble with this guy in charge. Like some have said before he should know his enemy. He should know what the next N console is up against. They have not got a clue have they?

they have all but ditched the gamecube like they did the N64, that is not a good track record. To believe they are the second best selling console in europe and to do this is appaling, i thought the games dried up becuase they new they were last.

I will wait for the £50 bundle packs of the rev to appear in argos i think next time round.
Carlo
25/01/06 @ 13:31
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"Those figures, those three million though are actual connections; it could be the same person multiple times, but it's in the realms of over half a million."

I take it back then... the previous article (looks at EG staff) was complete crap then...
El_MUERkO
25/01/06 @ 13:32
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"and I don't think anyone in the UK is going to get a sneak piece of information on something as important as that [laughs]"

Yeah cause you wont release it here for a year after everyone else and you may get burned at the stake if you're in the UK when we find out, best be nice and safe behind the armed guards at E3 :P
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El_MUERkO
25/01/06 @ 13:35
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" I don't think the Gamecube is number 2 in Europe, nor worldwide...."

Worldwide I'd say its sold more than the Xbox, just my guess thou.

/hugs gamecube, ignore the bad man
jiroczech
25/01/06 @ 13:36
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I hope that fucker has the balls to read some of the comments on here...

"Ah well, look, we've got to be honest in the UK, especially. GameCube we can't say is, uh... We're number three"

That's such a weak, impotent response! Jesus - no wonder the Gamecube is dead in the UK. What's the problem with Nintendo UK? How can they be so incompetent and apathetic year in, year out. Fuck knows there's enough Nintendo fanboys around, you think it wouldn't be that hard to hire some with some business and marketing sense.
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25/01/06 @ 13:37
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frod - nail on the head. this guys job involves knowing his competition and he should worry about his competition otherwise nintendo lose again in the UK. he needs to find out why they have done so badely here and fix it. not just turn up at press conf. and stumble through interview.

arse

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25/01/06 @ 13:47
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he needs to grow a pair, i do like the way ninty don't resport to namecalling and pettyness like some of our crazy other pr people but he just seemed to be bland an uninteresting.

honestly im having trouble sleeping at nights could you tell me where you see nintendo in 5 years in europe?....... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz


babies don't sleep this well.
Tomo
25/01/06 @ 13:50
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Jesus, why wasn't this advertised?! The Science Museum is on my uni campus and I didn't even know about it! Sniff.
Teeth
25/01/06 @ 13:50
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I fear he's gonna beat the stuffing out of me!
Scientist
25/01/06 @ 13:51
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"The Science Museum is on my uni campus"

Nintendo tends not to invite students to press events.
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25/01/06 @ 13:53
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This is why I traded in my Gamecube.

I could only think of one exclusive (the new Zelda game) that I wanted. The rest I could get on other platforms so it had to go.

So it had to go...
Tomo
25/01/06 @ 13:59
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Ah, didn't realise it was just a press event. My bad.
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"@reality cheque: let's play together - mathm0s (gamertag - but with capital letters)"

Mathmos, eh? Aren't you supposed to be banned for acting the twat?
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25/01/06 @ 14:03
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@frod and others: this man knows his work very well. If you read his interview from a pure business pov, it's one of the most coherent, deep and sincere interviews ever published on EG. He doesn't know about the 360? He doesn't have an opinion about the 360? Look, he's an executive. You don't have to know about how the 360 plays to be an executive at Nintendo. The tech part will be analysed by technicians. The game offering will be evaluated while building up the on launch game list. But if the offering of the 360 is fun or not, if you do like the HDTV or not, it doesn't care: as an executive you plan at an higher level, and you take decisions based on strategies, statistics and pinions of thousands of people... your personal preference is meaningless in this picture. The fact that many gamers perceive the Gamecube as a "failure" is not something he cares about... numbers of console sold, incomes generated, games per console sold... is the only thing he has to care about. If you reread the interview, you'll see his words are centered on two main concepts: what strategy Nintendo as a company wants to pursue, and what Nintendo perceives that customers missed from last gen entertainment. While many gamers want to know when Zelda will be released, I'm sure the focus for Nintendo is how to maximize the Zelda effect when it will be released. Giving a good "traditional" game for Rev to pair up with the experimental ones? Launching Zelda when you announce the Rev so that everybody will be speaking of you for a couple of months (= a lot of free advertising)? As you can see, it's all part of thinking about the numbers, and not about the single gamers., or the personal opinions. Peace,
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25/01/06 @ 14:05
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my cube has recently only been used for cell damage. for some reason the kids cannot get enough of this game. got it for £5 two month after release, best fiver i have spent. I have only held onto the gamecube for when pikmin 2, paper mario and battalion wars are a tenner each. other wise it just sits there. its alright as a second or third console (currently it is comes after xbox ps2, x360, ds, psp, dreamcast) for the odd killer game but i would hate to think it was my main means of playing games.

sort it out, geezers
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jiroczech
25/01/06 @ 14:06
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neuroniky: you are David Yarnton and I claim my £37.99
Xerx3s
25/01/06 @ 14:12
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"I was watching, I'm trying to think what the racing game was...

Eurogamer: Project Gotham?

David Yarnton: Yeah. It looked nice, but... I won't talk about opposition products.

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Cheeky bstrd. ^_^
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25/01/06 @ 15:00
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Rambaldi, you have to be one of the most feeble minded individuals I've seen on a forum post in a very long time. Just because you say that your wife is from Pakistani origin doesn't mean you're not racist towards certain ethnic divisions. I personally find your generalisation of the Japanese development community as essentially a bunch of "Japs in a hello kitty sicky bubble" childish, racist and myopic in viewpoint.

Responding to someone who had the balls to call you out for you racially tainted comment with verbal abuse only undermines your argument. My friend, you are the one who needs to "smoke a pipe" and hopefully develop some sort of intelligence.
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Psi
25/01/06 @ 15:03
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cube + bongo's + bongo games = hours and hours of real fun.
Furbs
25/01/06 @ 15:03
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LOL
Yank developers make alot of derivative FPS and driving games.


OMG!! I'm a racist!!!
nickyickywickywoo
25/01/06 @ 15:03
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Gotta admit, it sounded like he just rocked up and waffled.

Typical british mgmt though...
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25/01/06 @ 15:13
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Furbs I know what you mean, "Yanks" and "Brit" are fine and stem from wartime comradery. The term Jap is offensive to those of Japanese origin (and also stems from the war) and felt it is only used in a derogatory context.

http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2005/05/defeat_t
he_japs.html

Back on the topic though, I agree the Nintendo guy sounds like he hasn't held a controller in his life!
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25/01/06 @ 15:18
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Why is "Yank" fine? It stems from a racial slur too - originally used by the Native Americans, so nothing to do with WW2.

"Jap" has entered the popular lexicon and I'm sorry, but as a pretty bleeding heart lefty, I doubt many people use it in a derogatory manner. "Nip" maybe, but not "Jap" which is seen on countless import websites. Its an abbreviation nowadays, nothing more.

And to be honest, if its felt to be offensive by the Japanese due to WW2, I personally dont give two shits until they go someway to acknowledging their past.

Is "gaijin" racist btw?
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Bitkari
25/01/06 @ 15:22
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Eurogamer: Don't you worry though on the Revolution that people are going to take a PS3 or Xbox 360 game, port it on the Revolution and then try and figure out how to make the control system work with it?

Real Answer: We're just going to make people use a gamecube-esque attachment controller to play cross-platform Revolution ports, and use the remote-styled controller for the three or four exclusive titles that we'll trickle out because we can't be bothered courting developers to make games for us.

gylo
25/01/06 @ 15:24
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"JAP" is an abbreviation for Japan the country O_0, and not the japanese people when you look at import sites (e.g as opposed to UK). I'm not even Japanese, I don't even care anymore. I'm tired of typing about this, people can just go educate themselves.

P.S So Furbs you feel allowing racism upon a nation of people for the actions of their ancestors and opinion of a government is right?????!!!!!??? "I personally dont give two shits until they go someway to acknowledging their past". Jesus!
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Shadar
25/01/06 @ 15:25
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Okay ... let's go over this again. The man doesn't care about Project Gotham Racing 3, and he's perfectly right not to. Because that game is insular in nature, because it is incredibly hardcore and appeals to a very, very certain part of the market. Namely a part of the market that is a) not currently within Nintendo's reach and b) not that high a priority anymore, because it's pretty much saturated.

Nintendo wants to reach out and probe new markets, while keeping as many of their old users as they can. Keeping to the conventional wisdom that videogames can only get faster, larger and higher res, means that the market will be further marginalized as media interest dies out and "new media" becomes boring, old media.

With this in mind: So what if he hasn't bothered with a game launched alongside a pretty marginal console aimed at a marginal audience? The videogame industry may gross roughly as much as the US box office, but it touches far, far fewer people. In fact, compared to the potential market, it touches hardly anyone. The console market dips around the 115 000 000-mark. The computer games market is roughly the same size, with an installed user base that is about eight times as big.

That is a marginalized medium if I ever saw one. If you've got a TV, you watch movies. If you've got a PC, you only ever so occasionally bother to use it for gaming. And if you've got a TV, it's a very small chance that you put a console under it. It is even less likely that your TV has the clout to make the next generation count towards a better experience for you.

We like games. Most people don't. Because game developers look at PGR3 and think "Hey, that's pretty fucking cool. Let's copy that!" instead of thinking "How can I challenge the dusty, old conventions of the interactive video game and possibly rejuvenate a medium that has slowly been dying since the mid nineties?" If we dared to challenge the establishment a bit, we'd possibly unlock all-new markets.

That's what David Yarnton is thinking. Not about how he can dominate a marginalized market on old-fashioned terms; he's thinking about how direct, unabstracted input and simple, innovative games have managed to lure in a new part of the mainstream audience. He's thinking about how more people are playing Bejeweled 2 than Halo 2. He's thinking about how Nintendo can reach that market.

Isn't that pretty nice of him? I'm sure I'm not the only one here who don't give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about Project Gotham Racing 3. He's thinking of us, for a change. He's thinking more than faster, bigger, better, more complicated.

Now, proceed to slag me off for presumption. And miss the point altogether.
Mr_Brown
25/01/06 @ 15:26
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Well can't really expect Nintendo Europe staff to actually play games...they can't even release them for god sakes!
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25/01/06 @ 15:27
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Says the man who thinks "Yank" stems from WW2. Maybe you should educate yourself before you moan at others?

Why is it ok to use it for the country and not the people? Personally I find the idea of using the word "Paki" to refer to Pakistan to be as dubious as using it to someone from the region.


PS. No its not right, but I'm not going to worry about pandering to overly politically correct language incase it causes some minor offence when there are people still alive suffering the effects of their brutality. Sorry if I seem to have my priorities backwards.
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gylo
25/01/06 @ 15:29
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So Furbs you feel allowing racism upon a nation of people for the actions of their ancestors and opinion of a government is right?????!!!!!??? "I personally dont give two shits until they go someway to acknowledging their past". Jesus!

'there are people still alive suffering the effects of "their" brutality' anymore fuel to the fire?
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Furbs
25/01/06 @ 15:36
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gylo, wtf are you on about? Is "their" an offensive word to the Japanese now? I mean since you are "their" official spokesman :)

Edit: Put 2nd "their" in speechmarks to avoid offending any Japanese readers.
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djchump
25/01/06 @ 15:42
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BTW Furbs - I don't think any country is exactly blameless - The British Empire wasn't founded on being really nice to people and giving all those nice Indian chaps cups of tea until they saw things our way and handed their country over. So holding past transgressions as a grudge against an entire country, nationality and ethnic group is pretty dumb really. e.g. what is your opinion of the Germans? Actually, scratch that Furbs, I don't want to know ;-)

So please, let's just get away from the whole racism thing, eh guys? ;-)
oh - and FWIW, I'm half-japanese.

@Rambaldi - is there really NO japanese games at all that you like? Wow... erm... sorry, I just find that kinda weird :-/ Not even Gran Turismo? Metal Gear? erm... come one, there must be SOME japanese game you like?
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25/01/06 @ 15:45
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You're spot on djchump, I shouldnt really have bought that in, but it does seem silly that a simple word can cause some PC-nut to moan when theres worse things have happened in living memory and not been addressed.

I'd still like to know why Yank is ok, but Jap isnt though.
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25/01/06 @ 15:53
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TBH - it's all in the context, isn't it?
Like, a white guy with some black mates using "the N word" in an affectionate way is perfectly fine, but the same white guy could use "the N word" as an insult to a black guy that he doesn't like and that would be racist. The insult is in the intent behind the use of the word - which is a notoriously difficult thing to judge, especially in the written form on internet forums, in-game chat etc.

FWIW - I think Bengali was just being a tad oversensitive to the racism issue after I and others have overreacted and accused him of anti-semitism in a different thread.

Storm in a teacup - nothing to see here, move along please ;-)
gylo
25/01/06 @ 15:54
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I think this calls for a UN peace celebration :p
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djchump
25/01/06 @ 16:00
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ahhh Resi 4 - there you go then ;-)
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25/01/06 @ 16:02
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Why is Brit not an insult? That's grouping me in with the Welsh that is, I'm not standing for that!

At the end of the day, words are only as offensive as people feel they are, and that usually depends on the context it was used in. Most people who get upset by being called paki are upset because they're not actually from Pakistan, in the same way that 'Brits' and 'Ozzies' don't like being mixed up, and 'Yanks' and, err, 'Canads' (I don't know what you call people from Canada) get a bit tetchy when confused.

As DJChump said, most countries have some nasty stuff in their past, but at the same time Furbs is right in that they should at least acknowledge it. Not admitting your mistakes prevents you from being able to learn from it, and this goes for nations and people both. This 'hiding from the past' doesn't help anyone else either, as I frequently find out (to my dismay) when my girlfriend comes home from her "Geography of Genocide" module at uni - countries have ALWAYS been doing really shitty things to each other INCLUDING RIGHT THIS SECOND and they all get away with it because if you start making a fuss about how country X is committing genocide then someone might notice that your country did the same thing 10 years ago and hid it.

In other words we're all a bunch of right little shits and arseholes, pointing fingers doesn't help but actually taking the consequences of our actions would.

Edited because HTML ate my always. Damn you HTML!
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OnlyMe
25/01/06 @ 16:02
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Rambaldi: what are you smoking? You played Gran Turismo for 3 seconds or so? It's got analogue controls (via the sticks or the buttons), but you may have to *shock* configure the controls in the options menu.
reality_cheque
25/01/06 @ 16:03
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Oh, and anyone making a joke about confused americans loses their cookie and milk time, because it was too damn obvious.
Furbs
25/01/06 @ 16:07
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reality_cheque, you're far too balanced and well argued for this place. Can you take your leave please?
gylo
25/01/06 @ 16:11
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kehehe
reality_cheque
25/01/06 @ 16:18
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Aww, and there was me thinking I'd found at least moderately intelligent people to argue with :(

OK, I'll start becoming a fanboy if it makes you feel better. Err...

"S3G4 FTW! ur all fags and you smell cos ur posting inna nin-smell-do thing. $ony can suck my hairy luv plums cos there console is TEH G4Y! micropenis twatbox is for girls"

How's that? Did I spell too many words right? :(
nickyickywickywoo
25/01/06 @ 16:24
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Now, proceed to slag me off for presumption. And miss the point altogether

You mean, there's no option to slag you off and get the point entirely? Just wondered... ;)

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