Home is outdated, says Microsoft exec

By Robert Purchese Published 11 December, 2008

"It feels like 2005 tech in 2008."

Microsoft bigwig Aaron Greenberg has questioned whether PlayStation Home isn't a bit outdated nowadays.

"What Home to me feels like is Second Life for hardcore gamers. It doesn't feel like it broadens the experience and invites people in," Greenberg told Kotaku.

"When they unveiled it, it seemed innovative. I think what's happened is now here we are a couple of years later and we feel beyond that.

"It feels like 2005 tech in 2008. I'm not sure that's what people want," he said.

Greenberg added that, at least in his mind, there is still a "huge gap" between the quality offered by Xbox Live to that of Home. He swatted away the possibility of an XBL subscription price cut by observing that many are "willing to pay for the premium experience".

Aaron Greenberg's criticism of PlayStation Home comes days after EA founder Trip Hawkins said the service was unsure of its target audience. He argued that following the Second Life route would take Home away from the mass market being captured so successfully by the likes of Nintendo and even Xbox Live Arcade.

The open beta for PlayStation Home kicks off today ahead of a full launch sometime next year. Game clients can be downloaded from the PlayStation Store, and the only charges involved are for micro-transactions when buying some new virtual clothes.

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Comments (92) Latest comment 3 years ago

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  • Milk #1 3 years ago

    But it is free isn't it. Does that count for anything?

  • mcbi4kh2 #2 3 years ago

    No baiting, but why is Live constantly touted as if its the second coming? I admit I have never used it extensively, but what makes it so much better than PSN?
    Genuine question and I would prefer genuine (objective) answers.

    Also Greenberg, comment on your own shit or keep your mouth closed. No such thing as bad publicity.

  • matrim83 #3 3 years ago

    /Joker
    And here we go!

  • onyxbox #4 3 years ago

    MS exec disses Sony (again)... what a surprise.

    Guess what..."Avatars are sh!t!"

    Move on, douche bag.

  • CannonAnBall #5 3 years ago

    yeah....fuck knows what avatars are then!!

  • Moonprince #6 3 years ago

    mcbi4kh2 - I'd say Live creates a better sense of community or maybe another way to put that is it creates a community for you and your friends to interact within. The communication tools and options therein are somewhat better also.

    Overall though - not a great amount of difference.

  • DFawkes #7 3 years ago

    If we look at the sales figures, the public generally seem to think HD is outdated. Doesn't make them right.

  • SleepyMagpie #8 3 years ago

    For once I'm actually agreeing with the corporate paid-to-liers - Sony this generation is clueless as to it's target audience.

  • Xerx3s #9 3 years ago

    Oh dear.

    /umbrella up

  • BartonFink #10 3 years ago

    These execs should really learn to STFU.

  • peterv #11 3 years ago

    I don't normally comment on these corporate dick waving items,but this greenberg chap sounds like a wanker.

  • Fab4 #12 3 years ago

    Avatars are far more 2008 *rolls eyes*

  • Machetazo #13 3 years ago

    What I'd like to know is who was daft enough to let Greenburg into the Closed Beta, so he'd have any first-hand experience from which to make these observations...? oh, that's right - he's only as well informed as Hawkins, from the other day was, lol!

  • Les #14 3 years ago

    It's apparently relevant enough to be concerned about it... Idiot.

    Having entered the beta version once or twice, I can see its appeal once it gets more refined. As it is (was?) there's pretty much nothing to do, everyone looks alike and it takes way too long to go from one place to the next. But I like the real life look for the avatars, more attractive than Live avatars (but I should mention I really hate Rare's art style in general, they're not as bad as Tecmo but pretty damn close) though not as charming as the Mii's

  • zombies #15 3 years ago

    He's sort of right though, it seems boring and pointless to me. Maybe more content will improve things.

  • SleepyMagpie #16 3 years ago

    How the heck do you get from Rare's art to Tecmo's? You mean the little player ninjas and whatnots in the lobbies of DOA4?

    *grins wryly*

  • BonzoBanana #17 3 years ago

    I think Microsoft operate in a reverse way. They launched a console in 2005 with horrendous, truly staggering poor reliability and build quality. Yet only now are 360s appearing with the jasper chipset that have a chance of operating within normal reliability tolerances. Assuming the jasper 360s are reliable that is. Theres something to be said for producing something that is stable and usable and not having to write off huge sums of money in repair costs. I just find it hard to read comments from Microsoft critical of anything while they manufacture products to a unbelievable low standard. I've overclocked my pcs in the past to extremely fast speeds compared to the original specs of the components and those tweaked pcs have been a darn site more reliable than my 360s.

  • influenceuk #18 3 years ago

    The MS Avatars are not exactly groudbreaking now are they. It seems MS did not have time to rip off the Home idea, so they went for the easier Mii/iTunes route.

    And just because they never thought of producing something like it, does not mean its a bad idea, or rubbish! MS need to pull their heads our of their backsides, and see the faults with their system and fix them. Rather than comment on anyone else's content!

    Then again the same goes for other companies, stop commenting on thing you think are crap, and sort out your own mess first!!

  • Moz #19 3 years ago

    will find out later once the beta is up to download, but from what i've seen so far it's an evolution of Secondlife adding elements of facebook. It's far more user friendly then SL and in the long run looks like it will have more to do in the way of the minigames etc.

    Facebooks strength shows that comunity networking with little minigames is very popular right and once you get lots of people on board the advertising revenuse can end up insane!

    It's not going to be an overnight success but Home could evolve into a huge thing. Personal estimate is that it wont get trully big until the PS4 when the PS3's down to PS2 type prices keeping PS3 going well into the PS4 generation.

  • Xerx3s #20 3 years ago

    Machetazo: Do you really think that rivals in the gaming business just wait and see? MS and nintendo where most likely the first outside sony to see what they where up to. Corporate espionage happens in this industry as much as any other.

  • muscleblade #21 3 years ago

    "But it is free isn't it. Does that count for anything? "

    Not in my book. I dont think its free btw - more like included in the PS3 price. I rather pay for the best service availaible anyway. But thats me of course. Live is way to cheap imo.

  • SleepyMagpie #22 3 years ago

    Well, Sony are doing over EQII that way, apparently you can buy your +10 halberd of dorkiness through microtransactions now too, you don't have to camp it out! Previously you could only buy what other players were selling..?

    I think that's what I read.

    Anyone wanna start the bid for Kaz Hirai's polaroids (transferred to UMD's of course) of "the good old days"?

  • Les #23 3 years ago

    "How the heck do you get from Rare's art to Tecmo's? You mean the little player ninjas and whatnots in the lobbies of DOA4?"

    While completely different they're both (IMO) terrible art styles. Strictly personal of course but they're bland, uninspired, plasticky. Hard to put to words as should be clear by now but I just can't stand the look of them. ;)

  • Arwin #24 3 years ago

    They're just totally shocked that Sony actually managed to roll it out this year.

  • SleepyMagpie #25 3 years ago

    I see Les. Well, in Tecmo's defence, they're following a japanese anime/manga tradition with pretty solid foundations.. Do the big-eyed, pneumatic Tecmo deformees look slightly plasticky and soul-less? Yeah, I'll give you that too.

  • seasidebaz #26 3 years ago

    I WOULD pay for a "premium" service, but I'm not going to. I really can't be bothered to pay to get my demos a week early, especially when they are so unbelievably shit at the moment.

    LIVE isn't that much better than PSN. They both allow multiplayer, they are both just as reliable (for me, anyway) and they both allow me to chat with my friends.

    I agree with the bit about XBLA appealing to the Wii lot though, they both contain far more shovelware and pure shit than I thought possible...
    Edited by 1 at 11/12/08 @ 09:09

  • Scimarad #27 3 years ago

    "Microsoft should Grow Up and stop all the playground name calling" says Eurogamer comment thread poster.

    I don't like Home, though.

  • youhavenomail #28 3 years ago

    Wii also seems a bit outdated, but it's giving MS a good kicking. What's his point exactly apart from coming across like the rep of a concenred company?

  • Machetazo #29 3 years ago

    @Xerx3s: No, I don't think they "wait and see", but I do believe they anticipate and analyse what other firms are likely to do (they probably hire someone else for that, though) and hone their own strategy, best they can, accordingly.

  • Negotiator #30 3 years ago

    Once again a MSoft guy tells it like it is, straight talking, no bullshit, love it.

  • gareth886 #31 3 years ago

    Yeah wake up Sony. Avatars is where its really at! Silly Sony.

  • the_dudefather #32 3 years ago

    'You fight like a dairy farmer' a Sony exec was quoted as saying this morning

  • NotSoSlim #33 3 years ago

    Ah i see MS are adopting Sonys Pre PS3 launch approach...arrogance!! Funny how Sony have hired more intellectual speakers who may still be spinning the Sony bile but say it like they are educated.

  • Les #34 3 years ago

    "I see Les. Well, in Tecmo's defence, they're following a japanese anime/manga tradition with pretty solid foundations."

    True, but as long as it's not about robots, the anime/manga tradition (which I love) in general doesn't go too well with shiny next gen graphics IMO. Valkyria Chronicles is one of the few Japanese art style HD games that actually looks nice as far as I'm concerned (the Sailor Moon/Candy-type aesthetics of Eternal Sonata upset my stomach as well). Guess I just have a peculiar taste. But in general I'm of the opinion that the better the graphics become technology-wise, the less inspired and successful the art becomes.

  • Stuz359 #35 3 years ago

    Surely EVERYTHING this generation is 2005 tech in 2008? Makes no sense whatsoever.

  • Roamer #36 3 years ago

    But it is free isn't it. Does that count for anything?

    It counts for everything. Personally, I don't see anything about Live that justifies paying a monthly fee and I think that the Playstation people have gotten the better end of the stick with PSN purely because of this. Furthermore, Home actually seems like a product it would make sense paying for.

  • Stuz359 #37 3 years ago

    "How appropriate, you fight like a cow" the MS exec responded.

  • NotSoSlim #38 3 years ago

    I know everyone touts Live as the 2nd coming of online gaming. However have people ever wondered why both Niny and Sony were behing MS in adopting online gaming?

    Japan as a society as far as i am aware dont really care about online gaming. MS are a software company and Sony are a hardware company and this is shown in the failure rate of the consoles and sales of games imo.

    However in 2 years Sony have done alot with there online model and even if you dont agree have to be applauded for actually caring unlike Nintendo.

  • SleepyMagpie #39 3 years ago

    @Les: I LOVE manga/anime too, but you have to choose your choice parts indeed!

    I absolutely love everything about Valkyria Chronicles, playing it now, and savouring it!

    And yes, even though I do like the game a bit, Eternal Sonata is a wee bit saccharine and twee. ^^

    Well, anyhow, Home outdated or not - the GAMES are where is at, is what I say.

  • Beano #40 3 years ago

    Funny that MS are bashing Home and Sony when they are so so blatently ripping off of concepts like avatars, EyeToy, SingStar, Buzz, etc. themselves without bringing anything new to the table. What a twat.

  • muscleblade #41 3 years ago

    @Roamer

    "Personally, I don't see anything about Live that justifies paying a monthly fee"

    Of course you dont - you dont own a 360. Idiot.

  • The_Surreal #42 3 years ago

    Of course this MS twat is gonna nay say, it's propoganda!!!!!!!

  • Widge #43 3 years ago

    Anyone care to jump in with why Live is worth the cash as asked earlier? I had Live on my old Xbox so would appreciate an insight from someone who has Live360 and loves it. As far as I can see nowadays, the advantages are 1) cross game invites, 2) cross game chatting. To me 1) doesn't sound all that to get excited about where 2) sounds like a really good innovation and one I'd like to see on PS3.

    I don't think there is the gulf in quality as there is perceived to be.

  • Beano #44 3 years ago

    "Of course you dont - you dont own a 360. Idiot. "

    I own a 360 and don't see any reason either. It's just a hidden fee.
    Edited by 1 at 11/12/08 @ 09:43

  • noller #45 3 years ago

    Live is way to cheap imo.

    Who is keeping you from paying MS more?

  • Widge #46 3 years ago

    cheers trebell! question answered!

  • mossychops001 #47 3 years ago

    I respected Microsfts online service untill they added the Avitars, they just seam to have copyed Sony and Nintendo ideas now out of desperation.

    But i think Sony's Home has the greatest potencial out of the three.

    Aaron Greenberg " I'm a Xbox 360 "

    Microsoft are just not cool and never will be.

  • Widge #48 3 years ago

    I think the new Microsoft look is much better than the old one. I also really like Home. We're a bunch of cynical old fuckers us gamers!

  • NotSoSlim #49 3 years ago

    We all know that if it kicks off within the next Xbox console will have something similar. Oh well only a few hours left and we can all judge the potential for ourselves.

    I personnally dont mind paying for a pimped out apartment as it will be my personl choice to do so. Sony do a pretty good job maintaing the PSN and charging nothing. Hopefully extra funds will improve the service more.

    Always good to at least be open to change.

  • liverpoolfc #50 3 years ago

    microsoft is jealous

  • betahoven #51 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:36:16 17-12-2011

  • mcbi4kh2 #52 3 years ago

    It's the most connected by a mile. So easy to jump into games, join parties, have private chats whilst in game (or party ones), see what friends are up to, look at what they've done in comparison to you,join them as they come online etc. It really is far more fully featurd that the PSN.

    Thanks for the answet trebell, from that list I would say that PSN does everything except the private (in-game) chats and the stuff Widge said before though.

  • metalnut #53 3 years ago

    "It's the most connected by a mile. So easy to jump into games, join parties, have private chats whilst in game (or party ones), see what friends are up to, look at what they've done in comparison to you,join them as they come online etc. It really is far more fully featurd that the PSN.

    Thanks for the answet trebell, from that list I would say that PSN does everything except the private (in-game) chats and the stuff Widge said before though."

    It's also worth noting that you can do almost everything in that list with a FREE XBox Live Silver account. You can chat, text, participate in the ubiquitous online league tables in Geometry Wars 2 & Rock Band 2. The only thing you can't do unless you pay is play against people directly. That might seem bad, until you realise that a lot of more casual gamers are happy with the chat, party & high score tables.

    Personally I've had a Gold account for the last year but I've hardly used it. I don't play online shooters very much, I'm happy most of the time to just play local single player, local co-op, have league tables to measure myself against friends, and chat / presence features. My wife has a Silver account for free and does all of that too without paying a bean.

    Personally, I like that Live has everything consistent and integrated. Messaging, chat, high scores, jumping between games with the same group, web presence of your game & friends, achievements etc have all been mandatory from day one so everything works the same way. PSN is definitely getting better but it still can feel a bit lashed together from lots of different sources and in different ways per game - a lot like the PC is. There's nothing wrong with that, but Live is just that little bit slicker. Whether you want to pay for that or not is your choice.

  • Les #54 3 years ago

    Personally don't care for any of the chat functionality in either Live or PSN. Never ever feel the need to chat while playing a game. TBH never ever feel the need to chat in any way. Voice comms in-game can be useful if the typical online gamer wasn't 12 years old and stupid (I don't rule out the existence of smart 12-year-olds even if I've never met one personally). But open-minded as I am, I can understand that for certain people features like these are very important.

  • Darren #55 3 years ago

    Having had access to the Home closed beta for several months now, if not exactly been using it for all that time, I have to agree that Home is rather dull and does feel dated. It looks pretty though but it's clunky and the constant loading between areas is a pain IMO. I certainly wasn't impressed with it but considering it is going to be free and is completely optional it's hard to complain about it really.

    I can't see myself ever using it personally though but then I've never been that keen on online gaming so an online community was never really going to my "scene" either. I'm sure it'll have plenty of fans but I cannot see it being in any way, shape or form revolutionary.

  • seasidebaz #56 3 years ago

    A full history compare withall their games and achivements? I've missed that then

    You certainly have. It's been there since the trophy firmware.

  • Widge #57 3 years ago

    Oh Darren, I meant to say to you, from what I see is that between each areas, its not loading as such but connecting to servers. I reckon the system loads you into an appropriate "server" for that room out of one of many... meaning that you don't get massive clusters of people around all the time.

    Trebell, I think that is the misconception of Home being an app purely for meeting friends and going into a game. I would say thats one element to it but not sole focus.

  • layleeloo #58 3 years ago

    Having a 360, PS3 and Hih end game PC, I can honestly say Avatars are a waste of time (to me), home is utter bollocks and whether its free or not, people will be paying fopr it somewhere. None of these gimmicks work or add anything to the experience. All it did to the 360 was kiddie'fy it from an adults gaming machine to a wii wannabe. I love all my gaming platforms, but both ideas to me are a load of tosh. All you need is decent games (PC) with no farting about with things like this. Nuff said.

  • mcbi4kh2 #59 3 years ago

    @layleeloo
    I kinda agree with you, but I work as a programmer and the last thing I want to do when I get home is sat at a desk with a k&m (although it is far better than any controller). Ergonomically, using a k&m on a couch is awful.

    Could change jobs I suppose.

    @trebell
    Yes, might be two buttons though :/
    Press triangle on a firend and click "compare trophies". Not the same as the square box thing, that hangs up on me sometimes as well.
    Edited by 2 at 11/12/08 @ 11:21

  • Widge #60 3 years ago

    PC is the lead in farting about like this, does it not have Second Life on it?

  • bonker #61 3 years ago

    "I think Microsoft operate in a reverse way. They launched a console in 2005 with horrendous, truly staggering poor reliability and build quality. Yet only now are 360s appearing with the jasper chipset that have a chance of operating within normal reliability tolerances. Assuming the jasper 360s are reliable that is. Theres something to be said for producing something that is stable and usable and not having to write off huge sums of money in repair costs. I just find it hard to read comments from Microsoft critical of anything while they manufacture products to a unbelievable low standard. I've overclocked my pcs in the past to extremely fast speeds compared to the original specs of the components and those tweaked pcs have been a darn site more reliable than my 360s. "

    Er, wrong thread??

  • Wash #62 3 years ago

    I actually think this baiting between companies is good, and having to comparable services can only mean they'll be trying to out do each other, 360 is built around its live service, Sony have caught up with a lot of features so its all good.

    What i think home will be, is a helluva revenue stream for sony - its micro-transaction heaven. One thing it has going against it is the amount of time its taken, they probably should of held back on the announcement all those years ago.

    Looks good tho, be interstng to see how popular it is, i'd imagine alot of teh hardcore will bypass it with group chat on the dash (if thats possible?) then just launch the game together. So it'll be mainly for the casual perhaps.

  • InsoFox #63 3 years ago

    Avatars and other such pointlessness are a guilty pleasure for me. But even I couldn't force myself to have fun in Home. It really is dire; I have no idea why I'd want to waste time in it.

  • Gurgeh #64 3 years ago

    "Avatars and other such pointlessness are a guilty pleasure for me. But even I couldn't force myself to have fun in Home. It really is dire; I have no idea why I'd want to waste time in it."

    Not even for the content that Eurogamer is providing for Sony in the PlayStation Home Theatre?

  • Petulant_Radish #65 3 years ago

    @ Les, so is what you’re saying there that you have no one on your friends list that you would like to talk to? For example, one of my friends from University was playing Fifa last night wheelie I was playing Fable, and we had a nice old chinwag. Though it does get a little confusing when you both go off on tangents about the games you’re playing…

  • mcbi4kh2 #66 3 years ago

    @Petulant_Radish
    That would be cool on PSN. One day hopefully...

  • drumbaby #67 3 years ago

    I sense fear in his words.

    And desperation.

    He should STFU.

  • Calgon #68 3 years ago

    Do you know what I was going to comment about whether anyone else asked a question by a journo like he obviously was(its not like he phoned them up and said "hey you seen that Home?... I think it's shit!!!";) would:

    a) Give an honest opinion of how you see it.
    b) Say "no comment", which would then be seen as "omg they fear teh Home's awesome powar!!" from the usual idiots in the Sony fanboy ranks.
    c) Give a little white lie and say "its rather nice and I hope they have some success in bringing more people online".

    I would have said a) originally but after reading this thread and thinking it though its easier for everyone to go with c), theres people already thinking it too sort of anyway, so they dont need it pointing out to them and those that dont agree are the loyal Sony fanboys who will see any criticism as a scathing attack and really it gets boring having to interact with these idiotic crybabies.
    Edited by 1 at 11/12/08 @ 14:57

  • des #69 3 years ago

    Homelol

  • seasidebaz #70 3 years ago

    vorlon:

    Where on earth have you been living? Both "Skype" and "Telephone" are very VERY old inventions.

    If they are "new inventions" in your neck of the woods, I wouldn't go outside.

  • JohnnyFireBlade #71 3 years ago

    Maybe it'd be a better use of Microsoft's time to not slag off Sony and instead work on making their console quieter, cooler and more reliable. A bit like the PS3, really.

    Since I got my PS3, I've barely touched the 360.

  • seasidebaz #72 3 years ago

    vorlon:

    Yes. That's why I used some to counter yours.

  • Spiral #73 3 years ago

    Your telephone costs less than nothing? You sure about that?

  • randomrobot #74 3 years ago

    JohnnyFireBlade hit the nail on the head. The 360 is a remarkbly powerful bit of kit for the money, although not once you add cost of a wireless network adapter, rechargble battery packs and Live subscriptions for 5 years.

    But the big problem is, technical performance aside, it's the noisiest, most unreliable piece of crap I own. So it sits there gathering dust whilst the PS3 gets used every day. I'd rather suffer a slight performance drop on multi platform games than use something that is basically badly built, badly designed and makes a noise like a vacuum cleaner.

  • Teamallstar #75 3 years ago

    does anyone know when this will be ready to download?

  • Dan234 #76 3 years ago

    I see neither of them have the balls to copy friend codes.

  • septimus #77 3 years ago

    "It feels like 2005 tech in 2008." - says MS Exec via his Mii.

  • DAN.E.B #78 3 years ago

    Since I got my PS3, I've barely touched the 360.


    Since I got my PS3, I've barely touched my PS3

  • ronuds #79 3 years ago

    Now, I don't know about this "2005 in 2008" stuff, but if he had said "Home serves no purpose" then I may have agreed.



    Edited by 1 at 11/12/08 @ 15:35

  • jordiniho #80 3 years ago

    well it's better than there avatars microsofts way of jealousy

  • Rich72 #81 3 years ago

    me too Dan:Solo.... bought one on monday and it really isn't very good. i am sure the ps3 will be but at the moment i don't think it'll get much use.

    was fooled by the resistance 2 review. it really is dire

    will download HOME later to have a butchers

  • Zappa #82 3 years ago

    LMAO!

    360 guys are fools!! 2005 tech would be the crap 360 avatars that do NOTHING but force grown men to have creepy looking child
    avatars.

  • reddevil1963 #83 3 years ago

    Have tried the Home Open Beta and to be honest, there nothing great about it. I want to play games, not run round a virtual world that isnt at all exciting or enthralling.

    Sorry but 360 is still the king console!

  • Toadie48 #84 3 years ago

    Home is about as gayye as the PS3 has been this gen! Even the nintendo 64 is less gayye then the PS triple. What can you do with a PS triple apart from talk about how gayye it is.

    The XBox triple-120 is THE TRUE WINNER this gen. Balliinn!

  • VMerken #85 3 years ago

    Usually, I'd throw a hissing cat the exec's (Sony, MS or Nintendo) way. This poor excuse of an exec's comment, however, requires a new species: the SassyCat(r).

    Mraaaooowwwrrrrlllooooorrrr Mine are fFSO more 2005 than Yourffs, Sony!

  • Les #86 3 years ago

    "Sorry but 360 is still the king console!"

    No, that's the Wii.

  • deathdealer619 #87 3 years ago

    LOL what a dick!! Xbox nxe is brand new technology???? Its a user interface front end system. TWAT!!!! How beautiful ignorance can be lol.

  • man.the.king #88 3 years ago

    @ muscleblade

    Of course you dont - you dont own a 360. Idiot.

    Well, I have a 360, have had one since March 2006, and I don't see the need for a Gold account except to play online, and I will not pay to play online - I can use the PS3 for that. I used to have a Gold account, but then I decided to discontinue the subscription. I could game online for free over PSN, with the same network quality (much as you would like to claim otherwise - although I doubt you have a PS3 - I have NEVER experienced any issues while playing online on the PS3; I have, however, experienced lag issues while playing GeOW 1 once or twice, although to be honest, that was the only time I ever had network problems playing online on the 360, and I didn't have any issues after that).

    Anyway, my opinion: Live NXE is not the second coming many fanatics make it out to be. In my view, whereas the XMB is a horizontal tree with expandable vertical branches, Live NXE is a vertical tree with expandable horizontal branches - it just looks shinier. Of course, there are some services that Gold Live offers - as mentioned by some other posters here - but those are hardly deal-breakers for me.
    Edited by 2 at 11/12/08 @ 19:46

  • Calgon #89 3 years ago

    Its quite simple... to the hardcore:

    Miis are shit(yes they jolly well are),
    Avatars are shit(really most hardcore will say they could honestly have cared less if theyd bothered with this for the NXE update, they did what they set out to do with Avatars though, delivered exactly as promised and on time),
    Home is totally shit(tried too hard, hyped too much, spent to long and too much money on it... thats why it seems more wastefull because it is in alot of ways).

    The casuals, the female gamers and younger generations they quite like stuff like this though it would seem, so it shouldnt make a difference if they are offered what they want too... unless you are really loosing out on it.

    To me I think the whole concept of Home is wrong for the hardcore demographic they've targeted with the realistic art style. Its like dragging Auntie and Grandma away from the Wii and putting a FPS on, hoping they will like it because theyve called it "Shooting Mamma" and made it colourfull and all the weapons are made from cooking utensils(to any Sony execs reading this saying "genius!!! what a brilliant concept!" dont bother, I've already patented it ;) ). This has been an expensive project for Sony, one that shows how clueless they can be when it comes to gaming, Sony innovative? are they heck.

    *edited for spelling, and to say Vic you are a boring little moron*
    Edited by 2 at 11/12/08 @ 22:09

  • makeamazing #90 3 years ago

    I love my PS3, but Home is not my cup of tea and I can see why some people really dont like it, but for a MS exec to slate it, when they have just created Avatars is a joke comment. Really, the avatars are really quite poor (kiddish), and the Wii has been doing for a while... so really thats old hat too. For him to slate it and to totally forget what they have just released themselves... muppet man!

  • Vic #91 3 years ago

    Mii's and Avatars are shit...but Home is totally shit! LMAO! What a wasteman!

  • ProjectJAY #92 3 years ago

    that, my friends, is the sound of jealousy. iv never heard of full grown fanboys. what alame comeback

    reminds of me of Reggie from Nintendo pining after LittleBigPlanet. lol at his face....