Hirai wants PS3 to beat PS2 News

Just a few more years yet.....

And I want a 12 inch cock but it aint gonna happen

Yea about 15.

keep smoking that ookie ookie kaz :)

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Dream on Kaz you shit spout.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

God i see all you were kicked out of charm school then!

The way things are going it may happen but it's not really important is it. Main thing is to keep the good flow of games coming and improve on what they already have.

News of the Month! this has to be. This is just as ridiculous as MS claiming they will win this generation.

8m a year means it's going to take 18 years to sell that many, Kaz. Good luck with that!

does anyone know when the next MS console is due? or will they stick with thei current one for the next 9 years (7 now) in order to compete with the PS3? or will they both release a new one within the next 4 years, and then Sony will carry on selling the PS3 (for no reason I can think off) and try to achieve 170 million with the PS4. Whereas MS will stop supporting everything done before and start from scratch again, third time lucky.

Well it's always possible. Sure the year of the Playstation hasn't exactly gone that great but the seem to be finding their feet a bit and it's less of a joke this year. Many problems with the console have been fixed this year (just B/C to go Sony) and some great exclusives like GT5p (still a demo!!!), MGS4, Siren this week, Haze....OK I was joking on the last one :)

Still not quite there Sony and of course you actually do have competition this gen for both hardcore gamers and casual markets, but if Sony listen to the criticism aimed at them and do something about it they might sell as many as PS1/2. Those two you HAD to own if you cared about games and so far PS3 hasn't got that HAVE to own status IMHO

My advice to him is look at what games made those consoles so great and must own consoles (especially PS1) and start to release some truly must have games on PS3. LBP, Killzone, R2, MS2 won't do it......

and Nintendo are still unhappy, despite the fact the wii's now sold more than the gamecube...

That being said, I reckon PR people sshould shut up sometimes, giving figures like this when the ps3 is laggging behind (at least the wii) so much just makes them look bad. The PS3 isn't selling as well as the PS3 was, the cheap blu-ray player isn't as much of a draw as the cheap dvd-player was. The shovelware is all going to the wii, so the game sections for PS3 are smaller in stores and it gets less exposure.

Quite simply, compare last time to this time and I say cut their losses and preach the kind of things that could possibly happen..

This is PR. For the shareholders.

erm, you do know what PR stands for, right?

@ blig_merk

IMHO those games don't have what it takes to make PS3 must have. Just my opinion.....

@ blig_merk: for that to be possible it needed to be far ahead of where it is now and to not have the Wii utterly dominating. It aso needed Blu Ray to have become essential in the way DVD did (nowhere near happening). Not losing exclusivity over so many killer franchises would also have helped.

I don't doubt good sales but what Kaz as to say for shareholders and what wlil realy happen are quite possibly two different things.

The PS3 will never see 140 mil. Everyone will be wanking to 3D holographic projections of Tomb Raider XXIII before that happens.

Is this a competition for the most obvious business wish ever?

Of course Sony want the PS3 to beat the PS2 in sales. Heck Microsoft and Nintendo also want their consoles to beat the PS2 in sales. If I had a console I would hardly go to the bank for money and promise NOT to try to beat the PS2 in sales now would I.

@ blig_merk

Look I'm not gonna get into which game is good or not row. All I'm saying IMO is that sequels to mediocre games such as MS, KZ, RFOM won't shift consoles. LBP seems very niche right now. Of course I've yet to play it and will reserve judgment but I am in the "I don't get it" group on that one.

For me PS3 is concentrating on it's older brothers later life. Buzz, Singstar, Killzone GoW all late PS2. Personally I think they should be looking further back for inspiration this gen to make PS3 a must have console.

Next year ! Afrika, Lair, and all those killer games. Just wait and see (a bit of faith might come handy too).

@ blig_merk

Well IMO does actually mean "in my opinion" so yes you are right As I said I'm not getting into a good game/bad game row I except people are different. List all the score and reviews and sale figures you want but FOR ME these franchises do absolutely nothing, and I'm not alone.

I'm merely stating these franchises are not enough to make PS3 must have and sales figures prove I've got just a little bit of a point.......

All the PS3 is bringing to the market is lacklustre nth iterations of tired franchises (GT5p has to be the most boring driving experience I've ever had, not to mention horrible to look at), technically inferior multiplat titles, sequels to abysmal shooters and massively flopped/shite exclusives (lair, HS, Haze).

It doesnt have any of the magic the PS2 had, it's far far too expensive and Sony want to push the PS3 in every direction but the correct one. It is, in short, a console that's been forced up it's own ass.

The PS2 was synonimous with games. The PS3 is known only for being an expensive blu-ray player which also does games quite poorly compared to the cheaper and technically superior competition.

The PS3 was badly designed from a hardware point of view, and has suffered at the hands of incompetants. It will NEVER be viewed in the same was as the mighty PS2, no matter how many years its on sale. It's the biggest dissapointment in the history of gaming, and to top it all off is losing Sony vast sums of money.

Maybe next generation Sony will release a machine worthy of the Playstation name, but to compare the PS3 to the PS2 is simply insulting to the PS2.

I remember people saying the same thing about the PS2 when it was first launched. Over-priced, hard to program for, competition better designed by comparison (Dreamcast). Plus the PS2 sales after it's first couple of years were about the same as the PS3's are now.

Having said that, I almost agree with you farticusmaximus. The main difference being that I have a PS3 and I like having a PS3.

140 million unit sold in 10 years? It's not impossible by any means, even likely in my opinion.

are you apologie's replacement blig_merk?

PS2 had the benefit of also being a DVD player which helped to shift it as everyone wanted one to replace VHS, with PS3 you have Blu-Ray which no one gives a shit about. Not to mention the PS3 is still over priced and has no real system sellers, I want to get one but I can't justify the outlay to just play Uncharted and watch one or two Blu-Rays. I can't see the PS3 still being manufactured in 9 years time let alone surpassing the PS2.

I wish sony could just give up on that 10 year lifespan PR nonsense. At first, it was a funny joke, but now it's becoming embarrassing.

no i just think that the ps3 is an incredibly hard machine to defend with any conviction.

1. Wii is not the Gamecube.
2. Xbox 180 came out when PS2 had already 40 million units on the market.
3. Microsoft is not Sega.
4. Just MGS as an "IP established" exclusive.
5. Blu-Ray is not the DVD.
6. PS3 didn't bring 4D gaming (no shit?) as PS2 brought 3D gaming.
...

not at all. had a ps1, ps2, gamecube, wii, xbox & 360. now whittled down to 360 and will get a ps3 when it proves itself. played a friends MGS and while it is not technically anything special, the art direction is superb. GT is a tired racing game and although LBP looks incredible it is not my cup of tea.

i am in no way anti Sony but because you are defending the indefensible, that makes me a fan boy?

er... same here, I had at least 2 PS2's (I kinda recall of buying more though). In some circles there's some weird (desire?) of segregation.

@blig_merk: ok, so the fact that my grand grand father is 94 years old probably means I'm gonna live that long too?

Hint: No, it doesn't.

I wish Sony the best of luck in meeting this target

A more realistic target would be 50% of the total PS2 figures.

Anyone want to play a game of "spot who works for Sony"?

@blig_merk: i didn't try to give some reasons simply because the whole thing is a joke: the fact that NES and SNES both had a very long lifespan didn't help N64 and gamecube. And the fact that N64 and gamecube had a very short lifespan doesn't mean the Wii won't last 10 years. So the fact that ps1 and ps2 were very successfu and had a long lifespan l doesn't mean that the ps3 will.

Happy now, or will you "utterly fail to grasp the most simple of things"?

blig_merk, It is futile trying to reason with posters on this site regarding an issue with Sony. Most of what you say I agree with (except the "Halo 3 is shit" remark) but convincing these guys with logic is like banging your head against a wall. I sympathise.

Since Blu Ray is the only HD choice for movie viewers now, I can see the PS3 getting more sales as the HD era gets its grip on people. Same when the PS3 gets those inevitable price cuts.. It will sell well, it is only a matter of time. I also believe Sony when they claim it will outsell the Xbox 360. But 140 million? That sounds like an awful lot of consoles and might be aiming a bit too high.

@ParanoidZombie

"i didn't try to give some reasons simply because the whole thing is a joke:"

It is a joke, Sony have spent most of this gen being the laughing stock of the gaming world. Underperforming and overhyping. It's bitten them on the ass, and those stupid bastards at Sony just dont know when to shut the hell up and and go fix the appalling lack of quality games!


"the fact that NES and SNES both had a very long lifespan didn't help N64 and gamecube."

Saying the PS3 will outsell the PS2 because of president is the most stupid thing I've heard in a long time.

President or not, the gaming world at large knows for a fact that the PS3 is a steaming turd compared to the PS2, and it WILL NOT gain the popularity or sales of it's predecessor whether it's on sale for 10 or 100 years. It really is that simple.

blig_merk wrote: "Do you realistically think Nintendo actually planned short lifecycles into the N64 or Gamecube from the start? What san company expects their product to be an utter flop? "

Come on, I didn't say that and you know it, you nigwit.

"However, you are berating sony for having that aspiration, and that is what I am criticising you for"

Yeah - there's far better things to berate Sony for! :)

Blimey, there's a lot of anger seeping out of the anti-Sony camp.

What you so cross about blokes?

"What you so cross about blokes?"

Being denied a decent games machine from Sony this-gen, when past playstations were so good. That, and being raped in the ear every time a jerk from Sony opens his mouth. Who could not hate the lies and hyperbole they spout at every possible opportunity?

@FladgeMangle

Sony killed my parents, so I had to become a internet vigilante against them, much like Batman

This is a completely different market to the one the PS2 launched into. PS2 had very little serious competition. This time it has two very strong competitors.

I think the 360 and PS3 both need something to take them to the next level and I don't think a price cut or any of the games either have shown are that something. I think this is probably a good thing and will make for a better next round. Sony have made mistakes with console design the last two times, but this time they have paid a price because of the strength of the competition - that should be the impetus to do better next time.

I've got all three consoles and I'm happy that each of them provides me with something worthwhile. If I could only have one it would be the 360 though.

Having said that if it wasn't Hirai's goal to better the PS2 numbers then he shouldn't be in the job should he? It would be more news worthy if he accepted he wasn't.

Yes.

@Arbiter

As a piece of hardware viewed out of context of the games industry I'd agree with you. It is a well built, slick media center.

As a games machine, at the price it's at... not good. At the price I'd want a machine that could better the visuals of the 360, or in some way provide me with an enhanced gaming experience. Put bluntly, it cant.

Combined with past performance, the gaming promises Sony made, and the current lack of any exclusive games of interest, this has left the PS3 as a huge dissapointment for me.

The madness of blig_merk has arrived to eurogamer.net. Yes!, I'm a big fan. Fly the flag for sony.

"Put bluntly, it cant."

Are you trying to pass off assumption as fact?

"The madness of blig_merk has arrived to eurogamer.net"

It's been here for ages. He's headbog, he's swam and he's banfoi. Every time a certain percentage of us put the stupid little annoyance on ignore he pops up on a new account. Shame we can't just ignore his IP, would save me having to press that button to hide his idiocy every month or so..

"Are you trying to past of assumption as fact?"

Is this where you tell me you think the jerk-and-tear-fests of Uncharted or GT5p or the monochrome FPS-by-numbers Killzone 2 are 'technically superior' to anything on the 360, because I'm preparing to laugh in your face right now.

farticusmaximus, I'm trying to tell you that as you can't name me a single MMO coming to 360 in the immediate future, PS3 can provide you "with an enhanced gaming experience".