Heavy Rain: The Origami Killer Comments by Ellie Gibson

I prefered Katie Holmes

@evilfoxhound

"the difference between me and you is that I own all the consoles."

All the consoles in the world? Gosh, you must be quite rich then, or maybe very poor as you spent all your money on consoles. Either way I bet you get laid ALL the time, as you are clearly THE MAN.

Personally, I own all the consoles I consider worthy of owning (PS2, 360, Wii). The PS3 has nothing apart from Motorstorm and Pain that interests me, so why exactly would I own one, as I get to play those games on friends PS3's?


"Giving me the right to post or complain about whatever machine I want."

Oh, ignorance AND arrogance? A heady combination, for sure.


"YOU on the other hand have no frame of reference."

Apart from the perfectly valid frame of reference I have.


"I know I'm going to sound like a broken record here"

Oh brother, you hit the nail right on the head.


"Why are you commenting in a thread about a game on a console that you hate and don't own?"

1) I dont hate the PS3. It's a machine, and as far as I know it never kneecapped my brother or raped my cat. It's over there, I'm over here, we don't speak much but honestly no, I don't hate the PS3. It just doesnt register on my radar as a games machine, that spot is quite full with the 360 and Wii.

2) I'm commenting on games because this is a games forum and I like games and do you see where I'm going with this? Games, games, gamingy game-game. Games.

3) Scram kid, you bother me....

it's always the same schema in hotly discussed threads. first third is ppl posting just about the story, second third is mostly fanboys complaining about the first third (and whatever console in question) and the final third is ppl telling the first 2/3rds that they've put them onto the ignore list as well as declaring that they were right all along.

@mungo

Hehe, yes I sometimes accidentally store little phrases like that and they worm their way out of my skull and onto t'interweb. xD

Oh, and glad I could help loosen up the ol' prostate. ;)

@ps3owner

Where do I fit? ;)

I'm putting ps3owner on ignore

@ps3owner

I always TRY to be in the first 3rd, but then monkeys come along and throw their fanbananas at my comments and I feel obliged to join in the faecal free-for-all.

Guess I should add the following disclaimer on all my posts:

* This is my own personal opinion and should not be ingested, taken as gospel or declaration of war, or inserted into the inner ear.

Just an interesting point. Okay, bear with me.
Take Gears of War. Fantastic game and I absolutely love it. But lets face it, it is one of the most linear games available. Essentially what it does is shovel you from one scripted event to the next. In the context of this area though, how you approach the combat and tackle the situation is entirely up to you. But really, nothing you do is really going to affect the outcome of the scenario. You are either going to die or be victorious and be shovelled to the next area. There are no branching paths or anything like that.

My point is, the same criticisms could be levelled at Heavy Rain. Okay, instead of guns you have a series of QTE's to keep the action ticking along. But it doesn't mean it's going to be a poor game. Gears was linear, it moved you along to progress the story and you kept playing because the world and story were of interest to you. This is pretty much the same deal, if the story can keep you interested, you are going to want to progress the story along and play more of the game. If not, then you will leave it gathering dust on the shelf.

Personally, I think the game sounds intriguing and I am for one, looking forward to it. Please don't make snap judgements on a game you have never played.

I think since we are on page three we must be getting close to the "ignore" stage ;)
not sure where to place you midget, neutral... have read most comments but it's friday, late afternoon and only 7 minutes 'till the Restistance movie... been waiting all day for that. (ok was supposed to work as well, but motivation levels are well below the required standard... )

well at least you do converse, rather than serial shit sling hit and runners

@evilfoxhound

"I started collecting consoles in 1987 (Probably before you were born LOL)"

Oh you dont want to play the age card, trust me. I've been gaming since well before colour was introduced to games.

I want to see how this pans out when the game arrives, Stuz359, because what you described there for Gears is what the dev of this was going on about with his Uncharted comments. Literally a game that is story bit, action, story bit, action ... where the story bits are merely devices to trigger action. Its a great game, I'm playing it now and have no bones about its structure, but interested to see how this differs from the template.

the trailer is on :) yay. way offtopic I guess but it's looking good.

and yes, I mostly converse instead of throwing bananas. :)

"Can we assume that Farticus and miiiguel will be commenting on the R2 trailer at 5?"

If I see something I feel I should comment on then yes, and it gives me great pleasure to say that there is not a good god damn thing you can do about it should I feel that need. Have a nice day!


"Looser LOL"

Brilliant, simply brilliant. I am in awe of your debating skills. You must surely be a master at it.

"Oh you dont want to play the age card, trust me. I've been gaming since well before colour was introduced to games. "

Hehehe.. I still remember the original Space Invaders cabinet has coloured strips of plastic to change the color of the "bunkers" and your own ship. Colour gaming!

@farticus

No, the game is not an evolution of Dragon's Lair. That was the point I was making, fundamentally this game is very different as it places emphasis on player choice and making realistic decisions that affect the storyline. Almost every preview there is has made this point explicitly. There has been every indication that this is what the game is about.

sounds interesting, like the way the ve thought about control of the character differently, making actions awkward deliberatly to compliment difficult situations, its sounds like a breath of fresh air though i expect that only the most open minded of gamers will see what there trying to do here, so thats most of eurogamer out then!

Ahh I see that the heavy rain refers to the bitter bitter fanboy tears from the frontpage comment xtards :)

This is one game I want to try out for the PS3. Not sure I completely get the appeal yet, but hopefully it'll reveal itself in time.

I just don't understand what makes the gameplay better than the usual game which allows full freedom and can also create tense moments. I think if this had crap graphics nobody would be taking a 2nd look at it, but the premise isn't so bad.

I actually enjoyed Dragon's Lair more than pretentious piece of crap aka Fahrenheit, which became too crazy for its own good towards the end. Having played that POS I'd said any cynicism leveled at HR is pretty much warranted!

This sounds very very good. At last true branching storylines, where any of your actions could change the script. Nice.

Can't wait to hear/see more about it.

Nice wallpaper.

Damn ! I was thinking about selling my PS3, but now this stuff seems to become entertaining.

yep it's like there's one every week :o)

this looks pretty interesting, games makers are always going on about game-movie convergence but Cage is one of the ones who sees it movie-game convergence which is nice, the only issue with that is when you compare with movies like Rec. it's going to have to be shit your pants scary to be as compelling as the best films, a very tall task

i can see it being very compelling...i think the 'gameplay' is likely to wear thin after about 5 scenes but if their storytelling is good enough it could yet be a good un...definately different

"Looser LOL "

FFS, is it possible that you could try to spell that fucking word correctly! You've just made yourself look like a complete idiot by saying you're older than farty (when he's even older than me!) and then go and spell loser wrong.

I'm not normally a grammar Nazis but the "looser" one really gets me as I honestly see it misspelled more than I see the correct spelling!

Are we out of the Uncanny Valley yet?

Nope.

What the honks will this game turn out to be?

As long as it doesn't turn out to be another Fahrenheit aka QTE Done Completely Wrogn(tm).

*begin spoiler* While the story was interesting, the whole "Let's QTE an entire honking APARTMENT, piece of furniture by piece of furniture, at the player! He's going to love that!" thing was just atrocious. Not to mention that those honking things kept you from following what was happening on the screen. *end spoiler*

Its the internet, get over yourself.

Back on topic. This game sounds very interesting and I'm glad another developer is trying something new and tired to push forward game interactivity. I'm sure we've had enough of FPS, racers and platformers that all do the same thing with a fresh lick of paint. If the main story is gripping with plenty of exploring and investigative work, I'm sure this will be a hit.

Kudos to the devs and LBP for new ideas.

"Oh you dont want to play the age card, trust me. I've been gaming since well before colour was introduced to games."

Yet you continue to behave like a fucking retard? Maybe end it now and stab yourself?

Doit doit.

It is something I will keep an eye on, Im not convinced yet, but you never know they might just pull it off. And to be honest this generation does need something other than the usual suspects in game genres etc. The only thing i find alittle strange is the comment that the preview was not going to be in the main game... did I miss something? Why would they make and show something that would not be in the game, or have i totally missed the point somewhere.

Can someone help me understand why Quantic is getting so many kudos for "trying something new" when we all agree that QTE's have been around forever? Is it because there are 2 buttons to press instead of one?

Not trying to take anything away from the game as it looks pretty neat, but I'm not seeing a giant leap in technology here.

Name one of your 360 games that has jumped a generation ronuds? I see by your games list you have every boring genre ever invented yet you seem to buy more of the same. No offense.

I wish people would lay off expecting the next big thing. All games have followed the same pattern for years and tweaked and adjusted some form of game play to stand out.

Why do we keep expecting things to be different. Gaming will be the same on every platform for years to come, whether you play with joy pads or waggle a stick nun chuck its all the same bloody thing.

At least the market isn't saturated with me-to FPS and racers, this leaves this type of game with an opportunity to try something different and so what if it has QTE, if you don't like it don't buy it.

so much negativity!

Whoa...calm down there! I'd probably buy more games if I had time for them, but if you've seen my games list then you probably also realize that I don't have all that many games to begin with.

I'm not knocking Quantic for the game or what they're doing with it. I'm just wondering what about it we haven't seen before that everyone keeps granting the game this "new and never-been-done" branding? Last generation we had a few QTE's. Sure, this one does this or that differently, but overall it's not exactly a concept we've never seen.

I'm not expecting the next new thing, but it seems many others are and believe they've found it here. I just want good games to play...if they don't do anything new or different, but do everything well, I'm fine with that.

Let me also say that I have no problems with this game. It looks like it could end up being good fun. Sony is pulling one of their usual ridiculous moves in showing it 2 years too early, but that certainly comes as no surprise.

Anyhow, my issue comes with some of the lofty expectations and high-praise comments for a game that hardly anybody knows much about. It's more of the "Sony-said-so" mentality that's made them and PS3 defenders look foolish for the last few years. I can only imagine the next famous "list" of upcoming "better-than-anything-on-any-other-platform" nonsense we'll be hearing from fanboys down the road about this game, and I'm trying to come to the early conclusion of whether or not the moniker will be valid. At least this "list" will finally have a new entry because if I had to see another one with KZ2, LBP or R2, I'd have no choice but to rip my own eyes out.

Having seen the presentation first hand, I came away very very excited. Game of the show, absolutely hands down.

Well, I hope it's good because I'd like to play it.

BTW, is EG the slowest damn site on the face of the earth or what? Holy crap, I hit refresh and a half hour later I'm lucky if my whole PC hasn't locked up.

I hope there's a QTE mini-game where you're about to have a baby and you have to repeatedly tap the shoulder buttons to keep your breathing at a steady rhythm.

Very interested in how this pans out - more so seeing how gamer hatred flows towards most games that incorporate QTE - yet those who have seen it seem to continually bestow great praise upon it.

However "accessible to a broad audience" will probably have most on here slightly worried - Myst sold very well due in no small part to being accessible to a broad audience, but I'd wager it would not make an entry in to a Eurogamer top 300 games of all time poll.

Shenmue clearly wasn't a killer app - even with the forklift truck work - and while the eyes in this do look great - it does seem they maybe a little overused - akin to watching an early 3D movie, with needles squirting towards the screen and frogs jumping over your head.

I hope Remedy get an "eye scanner" for Alan Wake ;-)

If Sony showed nothing, it'd be like "where is the footage of Heavy Rain?!" and if they do show it, its like "this game isn't out for ages? why all the press?". Not really a win win scenario.

Could I ask, why does everyone go on about Alan Wake like it's going to be the second coming or something? No one has heard or seen anything for TWO YEARS! Donlt get me wrong, it might be an amazing game. But nothing concrete has been shown, no actual gameplay trailers, nothing. It could be shit. I hope it's good but people continually point to it as a 360 saviour or something but no one has seen it for two fucking years. Perhaps someone can explain to me why it has achieved this status without anyone actually seeing any gameplay footage or even any real details about the game?

@DaemonB

Prick.

@SpaceMidget75

Grow up little boy and get a life.

/added to ignore list.

Just read IGN's preview thingy and i have to say it did have more detail and information in it. So after reading that I am leaning on the positive side. Hope its not coming out this year though (unlikely) as I have way to many games to buy :(

I'm a little worried about this obsession of Quantic Dreams with games being more like movies. Games aren't movies. They aren't interactive movies and nor should they be forced into being that. It's like if somebody said something along the lines of, "hey, board games are great but I think they should be more like movies. Chess is great, but what if we give it this killer story line? Where is the emotional angle? I mean, wow, you have a King? What's his motavations in the game? Let's have him get his own story line in there." It's silly, and so is the concept of making games into movies. Sure, games are a closer art form to movies than board games, obviously, and there are things movies can teach games, but games are games so leave them as games.

When gaming was younger there was a quite an obsession with making games more "like movies" with lots of terrible and over used FMV among other silly stuff. Finally it was realised this actually doesn't make for a great game and moved away from it. As another poster said, "this feels like a step backwards." I think that open world games are the way forward with branching interactive stories.

I'm open minded, so I'm not judging the game before it's even born. I'll wait and see how it pans out. They should be applauded for daring to do something different and moving in another direction to the rest of the gaming world, I'm just wondering if this is wrong direction? Only time will tell.

I went into this article more interested by the 148 comments.

LOL, looking good anyway.

@stuz359

Everyone does not keep going on about Alan Wake like the second coming.

I mentioned the eye scanner sarcastically - as I really don't think it would add much to a game at all - might have improved The Spirits Within - but don't think it would have improved any of the Final Fantasy games.

Said IGN preview:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/898/89858...

interesting though, trying to think back to the last adventure game that surfaced on a console? Adventure games are perfectly suited to being movies... story and character driven as opposed to red orb collection driven.

I'm a little worried about this obsession of Quantic Dreams with games being more like movies. Games aren't movies. They aren't interactive movies and nor should they be forced into being that.

Quantic doesn't claim to want to replicate the feeling of watching a film, but that of making a film. "You don't watch the story, you play it, and even generate it. You are not only the actor, but the writer and the director of the experience." Heavy Rain isn't the first game to attempt this kind of fusion - Boom Blox, for instance, lets you implement spectacular action sequences like those of Indiana Jones - but it's one of the few to attempt it knowingly, and in terms of sheer intricacy - taking into account every possible narrative permutation - I'm not sure it has an equal.

The proof will be in the pudding, of course, but done right, this could be a breakthrough of Citizen Kane-esque proportions.

"Grow up little boy and get a life. "

Haha. I love it when people make statements about people on the internet they no nothing about.

Anyway, yet again I'm agreeing with Widge (must try to stop), about adventure games. The point and click adventures really were the genre best suited to creating movie style experiences and there's no reason this couldn't follow suit. However I do think that making a good and enjoyable game should be their first priority.

Definitely getting this on the day of release.

yay I am ftw!