Haze not in HD, has 4GB install

By Robert Purchese Published 19 May, 2008

Technical details revealed and explained.

Creative lead Derek Littlewood has confirmed that Haze does not run in high definition.

He revealed the resolution as 576p and not 720p, which leaves the PS3 with the task of upscaling the image.

"We prioritise a nice smooth frame-rate over a different [resolution]," Littlewood told Ripten.

"Personally, I don't really buy the whole thing. People did the same with Call of Duty, they did the same with Halo, and they say with those games 'It's not running at true HD!' And it's like, 'I don't care.' If the game looks good and it runs smoothly, those are the important things to me."

Ubisoft has also revealed that Haze will require an installation of at least 4GB.

"You will need to go through a minimal install (about 4 Gigs) but not the whole game," said a community rep on the Ubisoft forums.

Haze is due out exclusively for PS3 this week. Look out for our thoughts soon.

Meanwhile, pop over to the Haze gamepage for all of our coverage so far.

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Comments (215) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • levis #1 4 years ago

    Played the demo, its now deleted, didn't like it at all.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 12:58

  • Aretak #2 4 years ago

    A fine comments thread this'll be, to be sure, to be sure.

  • Progguitarist #3 4 years ago

    Looks like it'll be solid but probably unspectacular.

  • Crea #4 4 years ago

    Let's get the ball rolling.

    I heard the PS3 causes cancer in babies.

  • BiscuitBase #5 4 years ago

    I just heard a rumour that Haze got 4/10 in gamesTM magazine. I can sense a hazelol coming on
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 13:03

  • Diomedes117 #6 4 years ago

    If it came out for the 360 it would run at 720p...

  • Rodster #7 4 years ago

    4GB a minimal install? O_O

    It goes to show how figures lie and liars figure.

  • degville #8 4 years ago

    Look what uncharted achieves with no install.... it's clear Haze is multiplatform under the hood.....

  • LeD #9 4 years ago

    I too played the Haze demo, it's quite funny, it's like Halo and Half-Life never happened. Some of the worst textures I've ever seen too!

  • Bartacus #10 4 years ago

    Its got the right name HAZE lol.

  • skx #11 4 years ago




    They should admit their incompetence.




    UT3 has way better graphics than HAZE and it runs in High Def.

  • Machiavel #12 4 years ago

    So are we into post-HD games now? We went there, then stepped back and don't really want to make the effort now.

  • yupyup #13 4 years ago

    BLU RAY 4 LIFE

  • bdc #14 4 years ago

    Oh come on. That's the same fucking vertical resolution as standard definition. It's a fucking joke how more and more games simply can't be bothered to go 720p anymore. I hope these developers are hearing the outroar more and more. It gets incredibly public when their games get found out not to be 720p, and I hope it embarasses them enough not to even think about pulling it off again in future.

  • Darren #15 4 years ago

    I said it in the forum game thread but I think it's disappointing that Free Radical's first PS3 game is effectively running at the same resolution as their previous PS2 game, TimeSplitters 3. The game looks blurry and the textures are especially weak so much so that it looks at times like a slick-looking PS2 game not one made specifically for the PS3.

    I'm praying that the game plays a lot better than it looks but even so I was completely underwhelmed by the recent demo. Played like a mee-too Halo 3 clone with the novelty of having up to three other human players alongside you in co-op. Is this four-player co-op the real reason for the graphical downgrade or is the PS3 simply not as capable as Sony would have us believe? I can't help thinking that if this ever came out on the 360, it would be running at 640p or 720p and looking a lot less vaseline smeared... :?

  • Goffee #16 4 years ago

    Look up HD in the Fanboy dictionary:

    HD (adj) Hopes Dodgy, allows users of rival consoles to condemn a game or technology despite it having no bearing on playability - the most important factor in any game.

    see also, Highly Dubious (adj) any claim made by vendor or developer about their technology.

  • Zero9X #17 4 years ago

    I also played the demo. You could tell its not HD from the cruddy visuals, some of the textures are PS2 standard. You know they arn't confident when they release a press statement like this.

  • DFawkes #18 4 years ago

    I was wanting it, but can't now, not enough space for the install. Shame, I liked it.

  • menage #19 4 years ago

    I kinda have to agree with the sentiment here. 576 is really weak compared to what the machine can handle. It didn't look that good to begin with.

    On the other hand. If no one said anything I wouldn't have really noticed. Apart from it not really looking that special part that is.

  • Eighthours #20 4 years ago

    I've been hearing bad things about the finished version of Haze from various sources, unfortunately.

  • Eldritch #21 4 years ago

    Isn't 1080p true HD, not 720p?

  • Darren #22 4 years ago

    @bdc - I was playing high-definition games on my PC ten years ago at 1024x768 so it's a bit disconcerting that the two current "state-of-the-art" so-called HD consoles can't always manage to render games natively at 1280x720. I think it's clear now that the HD era as far as the consoles go is a little premature and we won't see proper HD games as standard until the next generation when the hardware will presumably be powerful enough to handle 1280x720 minimum for ALL games.

  • Bartacus #23 4 years ago

    PS3 out of 10

  • Ignatius_Cheese #24 4 years ago

    Predicted number of comments by nekotcha in this comments thread: 0

  • Apologie #25 4 years ago

    it's in fact disappointing that flagship titles of the new HD era, are not HD at all.... Halo, GTAIV, Haze etc... are not HD, and that just sucks. On the other hand i'm looking forward to Haze but with more prudence... and yes, most textures are very low. I can only hope that gameplay and story can compensate.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 13:16

  • MaxiSleep #26 4 years ago

    I thought the demo looked fine (would not have guessed was as low as 576p) but the game play was terribly terribly meh. Voice acting was very grating but I got the feel this was deliberate to show the effects of the drug.

  • Widge #27 4 years ago

    In an FPS heavy market, will Haze struggle to succeed? I say YES.

  • lambtron #28 4 years ago

    "I said it in the forum game thread but I think it's disappointing that Free Radical's first PS3 game is effectively running at the same resolution as their previous PS2 game, TimeSplitters 3. The game looks blurry and the textures are especially weak so much so that it looks at times like a slick-looking PS2 game not one made specifically for the PS3."

    To be honest the ENTIRE game feels like a PS2 game, with the dated level design, graphics and gameplay. I downloaded the enormous (1.5GB!) demo only to turn it off in disgust after 5 minutes and went back to playing MoH Airborne as that is a far better game in every respect.

    Its like the last 10 years never happened.

  • Apologie #29 4 years ago

    MaxiSleep

    Voice acting was very grating but I got the feel this was deliberate to show the effects of the drug.

    ---------------

    I saw some videos of the rebels and the voice acting was just as bad... very cheesy.
    Multiplayer will be good (i hope), and the gameplay too because graphically it's just by HALO's standards...
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 13:19

  • Darren #30 4 years ago

    Oh and another mandatory 4 GB HDD install which is sure to annoy PS3 owners with the 40 GB HDD. Doesn't bother me now particularly as I've installed a 320 GB HDD specifically because of the number of games with forced installs but I think it highlights a weakness of the PS3, namely its slow BD access speeds. That or lazy developers, one of the two!!! Console HDD installs IMO should always be OPTIONAL not mandatory.

  • Benno #31 4 years ago

    Wow, what an almighty fuck up this is going to be.

  • Avaloner #32 4 years ago

    I hate installing games. Was afraid this would happen with consoles if each and every one of them had a hd drive. The only thing keeping this from happening on the xbox as well is the core unit.

  • penhalion #33 4 years ago

    This game always looked wrong. Me and many others pointed out that in the jungle scenes you couldn't make out the enemy with or without nectar. At the time we thought that was just because of early code. Seems the demo corrected that misconception. The game is crap sadly and why they made it exclusively PS3 now seems to be more because at 576p Microsoft simply wouldn't accept it.

    I too have deleted the demo from my PS3 and will be settling back down to wait for Nija gaiden 2 and metal gear solid 4

  • Apologie #34 4 years ago

    PS3 have amazing games like Uncharted, GT Prologue, COD4 etc... that can perform amazingly despised they'r state of the art graphics, Haze should be just as good.... it's a dev problem, but don't diss the game for that, HAlo3 graphics are shit and yet many people seem to look at it like nectar from a junkie perspective , if Haze can deliver good gameplay and an extensive multiplayer, people will forget about HD, trust me...
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 13:28

  • thewolfiv #35 4 years ago

    the all powerful Cell CPU bow before it all comers!!....no wait.....

  • Prodigy_BE #36 4 years ago

    That guy should have kept his mouth shut.
    Haze will get even more killed at retail now.

    I loved al FRD games up until now, but the Demo, and all the stuff I played while I still was a games journalist, really didn't convince me.

    I was planning to pick this up anyway, but with GRID being one week away, and the ol' COD4 microbe again rearing its head (Finished GTA4 this weekend, btw), I'll guess this will become a cheap ebay buy in a few months.

    Or maybe never, if Bad Company's online move lives up to its legacy.

  • penhalion #37 4 years ago

    @Darren

    It's down to the slow BD drive sadly. It is quite possible for newer generations of PS3 to have a 2x or 4x drive installed but, these would actually end up sounding like the 360's jet engine of a drive (though people usually wrongly blame the 360's fans which are whisper quiet). It would also mean that some PS3 owners would need a mandatory install and others wouldn't, which would cause a riot of people screaming they'd been used a test lab rats.

  • bushwod #38 4 years ago

    so.... does the PS3 have any good exclusive FPS's yet?

  • Stifler #39 4 years ago

    @ MazzingerZ - Can i have some of what ever you are on - sounds good.

    Haze is utter garbage, after 4 mins of playing i vomited at the screen in gameplay and visual disgust.

    Free Radical for the bin!.

  • sanctusmortis #40 4 years ago

    This will still sell. It has "exclusive to PS3" status, y'see.

    I'll wait and see if a 360 version appears and get that; no point buying a system for a game. 5-6, maybe...

  • cyacomini #41 4 years ago

    Three cheers for single speed drives.

    Hip hip...



  • penhalion #42 4 years ago

    @evilfoxhound

    If you still have the demo. Wait for a clearing in the action and have a long slow look around. Especially at the floor and walls. Then seriously ask if it looks any better than say Black on the PS2.

  • drumbaby #43 4 years ago

    Demo was very meh. I will await the review before maybe buying it much later in a bargain bin.

    Still, if it ever came to Xbox 360 the RROD factor would be untold.

  • Darren #44 4 years ago

    Aren't Free Radical made up of ex-Rare employees? If so then it's sad that they've gone from making technically impressive looking games that made the most of their respective hardware to making games that look like Hazy... sorry... Haze. Yeah, I know the gameplay is the most important aspect of a game but this game is running on an expensive console that cost me £425 so I'd have at least appreciated something moderately pretty to gawp at while I'm playing. Still I don't see this game as being anything more than a stop gap before the release of Metal Gear Solid 4 in a few weeks...

  • McBradders #45 4 years ago

    The demo was awful.

    That's all I really have to say about that.

  • mkreku #46 4 years ago

    576p..? Is that all they can muster? I'm playing MUCH better looking games in MUCH higher resolutions on my PC. I can't even remember the last time I had to use such a low resolution. In 1998 perhaps?

    Seriously, no matter how you twist it, that's weak. REALLY weak.

  • nickthegun #47 4 years ago

    LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! IM A RETARD TOO!

  • muscleblade #48 4 years ago

    @Apologie

    GTAIV is 720p on the 360 so its pretty much in HD.

  • Weezer #49 4 years ago

    Glad my initial ambivalence towards the demo has been echoed here - I thought I may have missed something. Clearly, it was just the gameplay that was missing.

    It is odd how this potential poster-boy for the PS3 has turned out so averagely, both in terms of technology and in gameplay. Is the PS3 hard to code for or has Free Radical just been found out?

  • dsmx #50 4 years ago

    The xbox 360 fanboys are strong in this comments section.

  • mkreku #51 4 years ago

    The Timesplitters games were fun in co-op.. Maybe that's what will save Haze?

  • TONYgr #52 4 years ago

    i believe it will better on 360.anyway i downloaded the demo from PSN and i didnt like it at all.pure crap.

  • Weezer #53 4 years ago

    dsmx: Sorry, but you can't blame them after all the hyperbole that comes from the PS3 camp, HD gaming and all that. I'm still waiting for the game that gets my PS3 switched on! Haze ain't it...

  • muscleblade #54 4 years ago

    So are the PS3 fanboys. Apologie has never played Halo 3. Thats for sure. Halo 3 looks better than most PS3 games and you cant compare it to the Haze demo. COD4 looks pretty good on the PS3 and even better on the 360 btw.

  • Beano #55 4 years ago

    I'm very surprised that it's running in 576p internally. Yes it looks a bit blurry but does a better job of hiding the low-res than Halo 3 and COD and does not have massive jaggies which I would have expected. However Haze does have some slowdown and some ugly texture-pop in later which is not apparent in the demo... I have the full game btw ;)

    Overall the game still looks nice due to some great effects - comparing it to Black is just silly.


    "COD4 looks pretty good on the PS3 and even better on the 360 btw. "

    No they are identical.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 13:45

  • the_ring_of_fire #56 4 years ago

    Free Rads have been living off the "3 of us worked on Goldeneye" rep for too long now. Three (poorer) clones of Goldeneye and a me'h 3rd person title since then and now what sounds like their poorest game yet... I did enjoy Timesplitters 2 and 3 a little but they weren't as good as Goldeneye was at the time. That style of linear FPS should have died by now...and their alternative (Haze) is no better either, it just looks like such a "me too" game...

    Everyone talks about them like they've produced a string of classics. More like a string of above average shooters. Wait for Edge to give their friend Mr Doak at least a 7 though, bless them.

  • Apologie #57 4 years ago

    Weezer

    Glad my initial ambivalence towards the demo has been echoed here - I thought I may have missed something. Clearly, it was just the gameplay that was missing.

    It is odd how this potential poster-boy for the PS3 has turned out so averagely, both in terms of technology and in gameplay. Is the PS3 hard to code for or has Free Radical just been found out?

    ------------------------------

    Yes, it's hard, but if you spend time enough to know the machine you can pull games like MGS4, GT Prologue, Uncharted etc... it only depends on the dev's... uncharted and GT have the best graphics i've ever seen in consoles, and both run on the Ps3 with very smooth frame rate... as i said before, if Haze can deliver good multiplayer, and an intresting gameplay, these discussion about graphics will be over in a minute (altough there is no excuse for them not to bring a better game in that department).
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 13:50

  • Weezer #58 4 years ago

    @designerheadace - Yeah, me too! Just never really got Timesplitters. Always just felt very average to me.

  • thinktank #59 4 years ago

    I was reaching one leg off the PS3 fence for HAZE and MGS4, unfortuneatley the demo has put me right back up there.

    /swings legs

  • Weezer #60 4 years ago

    "Yes, it's hard, but if you spend time enough to know the machine you can pull games like MGS4, GT Prologue, Uncharted etc... it only depends on the dev's... uncharted and GT have the best graphics i've ever seen in consoles, and both run on the Ps3 with very smooth frame rate."

    Agree about GT (I'd download GT-P if it wasn't £25); really can't agree about Drake. Not a patch on Assassin's Creed to my eyes.

  • Mashum #61 4 years ago

    I couldn't give a fuck about the resomalutions or indeed the five minutes waiting for a one time install as long as the game is fun to play.

  • thinktank #62 4 years ago

    @ evilfoxhound

    MGS4 is only one game still not enough to make me take the plunge.

    Thats one game in my opinion! before you all 'list' me to death.

  • LeD #63 4 years ago

    @Mashum

    Since it's NOT fun to play, that's you sorted then.

  • Beano #64 4 years ago

    @LeD: Have you tried the full game or just trolling?

  • Apologie #65 4 years ago

    I don't bother about mandatory install as long as it improves the performance of the game, wich is not the case... Haze have medium quality graphics, some good effects and details, yes, but overall it's just mediocre. Now, 4GB??? that is a lot to install, i understand if games like GTAIV need it, or MGS4 but Haze??? give me a break, i really hope these game can compensate on gameplay and multiplayer.

  • MrXBob #66 4 years ago

    @Darren:

    Just so you know, Halo 3 has 4 player co-op over live. So it's certainly not that!

  • GamesConnoisseur #67 4 years ago

    Haze is now looking simply as a rental to me. Didnt really like the demo and we cannot always blame the devs, its also about the hardware, tools, support, middleware and so on. Seem too many devs are having probs with PS3 you cannot put them all on the firing line.

    Would have thought with Haze, Free Radical be better off sticking to Time Splitter next gen (with SD resolution!).

    Likewise looking forward to MSG4.

  • Nithron #68 4 years ago

    Ugh, this generation sucks.

  • stoopidgreg #69 4 years ago

    wow, the game doesn't even look that great graphically. i'm very surprised they couldn't get it running at 720p. i mean it's a PS3 exclusive, they have spent all their time programming it to run just for the PS3.

  • sargemat #70 4 years ago

    GTA on PS3 and Halo 3 both ran at 640x somthing which is still HD as the second number was higer, over all giving the same amount of detail. But this is quite bad, for a title that was hyped so much. 4GB Install as well, no thanks.

  • Darren #71 4 years ago

    @Beano - IMO Halo 3 is by the far the jaggiest looking game on the two big HD consoles so at least Haze avoids that dubious honour. However, whatever post-production effects Free Radical are doing to mask the 576p resolution in Haze has resulted in a game that looks way too blurry. IMO PS3 games of late have a tendency to look either blurry like this and GTA IV or excessively jaggy (most multiformat games), all symptoms of what I perceive to be a weakness for doing decent anti-aliasing.

  • nickthegun #72 4 years ago

    I own both consoles, so I feel im qualified to say that everyone who has posted in this thread should be put on the sex offenders register.

  • Miths #73 4 years ago

    Well, I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade that tiny 40 GB HDD - with the frequent, large mandatory game installs (now Haze as well) I was getting a bit tired of having to hit the delete button on a regular basis.

    I just put in a 250 GB Seagate disk ten minutes ago and it really is a three or four minute operation even if you're cursed with ten thumbs (I've got around eight and a half :p).
    Well, not counting 40 minutes to back up 20+ GB of data and another half hour to restore them, which it's doing right now :).

    And with a 250 GB HDD not costing much more than a game, I imagine this do-it-yourself approach is probably preferable to whatever exorbitant price you could imagine Sony might choose to charge for a PS3 with a drive of that size pre-installed.

  • Xerx3s #74 4 years ago

    "GTAIV is 720p on the 360 so its pretty much in HD."

    And H3 more or less renders the same image twice.

    "HAlo3 graphics are shit"

    You never played it so htf should you know.

  • Aloominum_man #75 4 years ago

    if you spend time enough to know the machine you can pull games like MGS4, GT Prologue, Uncharted etc...

    Well, MGS4 isn't out yet. GT Prologue is a demo. I guess from what I've seen Uncharted is pretty good, if not brilliant, so what does the 'etc...' comprise of? The Haze demo looks (and plays) utterly unremarkable, and no one can whine about parallel 360 development holding it back in the graphics department. Even Apologie sounds down at heel.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 14:12

  • dr_shambles #76 4 years ago

    Wanted to like this but found it very underwhelming.

    Poor AI, no real feel of power in any of the weapons (even with upgrades) and found myself shouting abuse at the inane dialogue uttered by my squad mates. I know they're not meant to be deep thinkers but made GOW sound like Chekhov!

  • LeD #77 4 years ago

    @Beano

    I've played enough of it to know that I don't want to play another minute of it, thanks.

  • wowami #78 4 years ago

    is it me or has apology adjusted his blinkers slightly?

    Sony should be ashamed of themselves for the hyperbole they've been putting around since the run up to the PS2 launch.
    Emotion Engine, Cell chip, HD (only when we say ) etc

    I remember when they changed the gaming world with original PS.... what happened to that company?

  • nickthegun #79 4 years ago

    "I'd be surprised if you're qualified enough to move from the fries fryer to the burger grill."

    Your mother wasnt complaining last night when I paid her in Happy Meals.

  • Darren #80 4 years ago

    @nickthegun - Since you've also posted in here several times I presume you're including yourself or are you trying to confess to something...? ;)

  • Schiraman #81 4 years ago

    The demo was really pretty poor and did nothing to sell the full game to me. And I don't just mean graphically, it was just generally a bit dull to play.

    TBH I think it's pretty clear that Haze was coded as a cross-platform game and has simply been made 'exclusive' for marketing reasons - and that probably helps to explain why they weren't able to do anything particularly impressive with the engine.

  • nickthegun #82 4 years ago

    I am, actually, already on the sex offenders register.

    Guess what for? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

  • Beano #83 4 years ago

    "I've played enough of it to know that I don't want to play another minute of it, thanks. "

    The demo was way to short to make any conslusion... good or bad.

  • Xerx3s #84 4 years ago

    "MGS4 comes out in less than a month. Now THAT is the PS3's system seller"

    After the failure of gta to sky-rocket ps3/360 sales I think that we can safely assume that there are no system sellers this generation for those two platforms.

  • Xerx3s #85 4 years ago

    Anyway, who cares about resolution. Better a low res game with loads of details and gameplay than a stale highres one.

  • Darren #86 4 years ago

    @nickthegun - I don't think I want to know, thanks, but I'm thinking something along the lines of "flashing one's firmware"! ;) LOL

    Anyone else got the ridiculously oversized "free" Haze tin from GAME yet (minus game obviously) along with the equally pointless yellow glowstick? Mine came this morning at 7:30am and to think the postman woke me up to hand me that piece of crap... I mean why not have a tin case the same size as a normal PS3 game a la Devil May Cry 4 not something that is 50% bigger?!? Duh and indeed duh! LOL

  • Darren #87 4 years ago

    @Xerx3s - Haze doesn't have any detail though... the overdone blurring effect sees to that! ;)

  • Fwing #88 4 years ago

    Uncharted is a great game but anyone claiming the graphics are the "best" or the framerate is stable is. . .wrong.
    Great game. Love it. But lets try and keep at least one or two facts straight here?
    No?
    Eh?
    Oh I give up then :p

  • Rash' #89 4 years ago

    Personally, I'm shocked by the uninspiring nature of Free Radical's development: the creative and artistic direction isn't exciting. Now technical expertise is in question. I can extend a little sympathy, what with the troubled dev process and little prior knowledge of the host platform, but really, after CoD4, they could have done better. The fanboy's will hold the platform accountable, but really, it's a dev issue if you ask me. Again, look at CoD4.

  • mazzl #90 4 years ago

    it's a bit of a shame if this sucks for the ps3 owners.
    haze will be the ps3's too human ;)

  • Rash' #91 4 years ago

    Xerx3s: "After the failure of gta to sky-rocket ps3/360 sales I think that we can safely assume that there are no system sellers this generation for those two platforms."

    If that game had launched during Christmas do you think it would still be the same situation? I don't. GTA is a system seller, just not during the summer when the masses would rather spend their time outdoors.

  • Fwing #92 4 years ago

    The "gameplay over graphics" posters here are missing the point. Yes its true. Give me a good game and I don't care what resolution its in.

    But Sony have made a rod for their own back with their overblown claims of this machines power and its "true HD"-ness and the all-conquering CELL that was supposed to do the graphics as well but oops never mind chuck an off-the-shelf GPU in there and add some sellotape. . .

    So when a headline PS3 exclusive appears in PAL resolution (albeit progressive) then you have to expect a bit of a kicking. And if they've sacrificed resolution for a stable frame-rate and STILL drop frames as some poster claims, well, PS3lol anyone?

  • Rash' #93 4 years ago

    Fwing, I didn't know Sony were responsible for Haze???

  • Fwing #94 4 years ago

    @Rash

    What's that got to do with anything?
    Sony aren't responsible for MGS4 or GT either and they're being hailed as the new saviours, much as Haze was until recently.

  • miiiguel #95 4 years ago

    Arbiter, but..., but...,

    "PS3 Only True HD Console?
    13th Dec 2005, 20:40 GMT

    According to SCE Studios President Phil Harrison: PS3 will be the only console available to provide playback of movies in an HD format (BluRay) and it will also be the only console to offer games in 1080P resolution. Click here for more details."

    Can't you see, that, there's nothing "wrong" with PS3, the only thing it makes it a "funny system" is what was said before debut, at least for me.

  • Darren #96 4 years ago

    @Arbiter - You're missing the point that both Microsoft and Sony have promoted high-definition gaming as one of the things that defines their new consoles from their previous ones. So can you blame people for getting upset when they've gone out and bought 768p or 1080p HDTVs to play their games on only to discover that they aren't even HD. IMO the whole HD thing is overrated, it's clear to me that neither the 360 nor PS3 can guarantee all games run natively in HD, no doubt we'll have to wait for their successors before that happens. If HD gaming hadn't been so heavily promoted then I'm sure no-one would have batted an eyelid at Haze running at 576p, it would have been a non-issue. However, the bland look of the game and lack of detail would still attract criticism I'm sure.

  • richardiox #97 4 years ago

    Yeah, 576p isnt such a big deal if the gameplay is amazing, that seems to be the SDFs reaction to this news (that and blaming Free Radical). But i think the real issue isnt about Haze being 576p and the difference the drop in resolution will make, the real issue is it's yet another exposure of Sony lies about all PS3 games being 1080p @ 60fps / the PS3 being an uber-graphics machine.

    Seriously, GTA and now Haze, I cant believe such an alledged wonder-machine cant muster 720p on two of it's biggest titles.

  • Rash' #98 4 years ago

    Bloodkult, The attach rate on the other hand backs my theory. Those Wii's are being bought because of one game and that affordable price, otherwise they're gathering dust. Those HD systems will sell by the bucket load from Autumn onwards. I don't understand why this is such a surprise. The business end has always be the lead up to Christmas.

  • Retroid #99 4 years ago

    I remember the uproar when it turned out that Motorstorm and Resistance were to be 720p and NOT 1080p.

    /Bakes some delicious roflcakes

    edit: needed coffee
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 14:46

  • Apologie #100 4 years ago

    Haze will feature multiplayer matches for up to 16 players (including bots) across six different maps taken from the Campaign mode of the game. These matches can be played via LAN or online play, and can take place across three different game modes: Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch and Team Assault. players hosting matches can decide are the basic elements for the maps they'll play on. These cover everything from the game type that you play to the number of total players that will be on a map. You can also decide what the time limit and kill limit per round is (up to an hour of play and 100 kills or no kill limit at all), the autobalancing of teams and whether or not bots will take the place of humans. If you want, you can add up to 15 extra bots in a round to get some practice in the Deathmatch modes before you go online, and you can tweak their effectiveness between four different skill levels to give yourself a challenge. On top of this, you can adjust the rate that a player respawns into each round as well as the number of rounds you'll play.

    Team Assault is an intriguing mode because it is a mode that tasks both sides with a set of objectives that they can carry out in any arrangement to in order to win the round. These non-linear objectives keep the mode fresh because players will constantly have to adjust their tactics in order to defeat their opponents. At the end of each match, players are greated with three separate screens. The first is a score screen that indicates who was playing, their number of kills and their number of deaths. The second screen is full of additional statistics that multiplayer fans would be intrigued by. Haze tracks everything that every player does in a round, including some pretty obscure stats, such as the amount of time you crouched in a match, the total number of bullets fired and even how long a player was alive in a match. All of these stats then translate into one of eleven awards at the end of the match. These cover everything from the Marksmanship award given to the most accurate player to the ignominious Lemming award for the most suicides.

    Haze has been first reviewed by Famitsu and PSM Italy. The game received 34/40 in the famous Japanese magazine and stroke an astonishing 9/10 in PSM.

    IGN

    maybe it's not that messy, i'll give it a try and after that make up my mind, but from what i've seen, 4GB mandatory install, mediocre graphics and competent but not innovative gameplay... i'm afraid that these game will be average, just as every other shooter in the past 10 years (exception made to COD4 due to it's amazing multiplayer).
    Edited by 3 at 19/05/08 @ 14:44

  • cathalzx #101 4 years ago

    Such a shame - and seems so unneccessary, especially after all the delays :(

    @Prodigy_BE

    Why must you continually tell us that you used to be a games journalist? Why?
    Edited by 2 at 19/05/08 @ 14:40

  • Kiigan #102 4 years ago

    The resolution doesn't matter, and I could even turn a blind eye to the massive install size (though I don't approve).
    It's just a pity the game isn't better. The demo was so painfully average.

  • Rash' #103 4 years ago

    Fwing, It's got everything to do with it. FR don't have the depth of experience, knowledge and time that the devs at Worldwide Studios do with the platform. Making comparisons like that aren't valid because the pool of knowledge varys from dev to dev, out side of Sony.

  • Beano #104 4 years ago

    @miiiguel : Not to defend sub-HD games (or Sony), but they never claimed all PS3 games would run in 1080p. Quite a few PS3 games do run in 1080p... just not as many as we had hoped :(

  • muscleblade #105 4 years ago

    PS3lol. Lets hope MGS4 can deliver the goods then. Its good that MGS4 is PS3 exclusive or else the PS3 only owners would cry over another comparison article. Lol. MGS4 might be the first PS3 exclusive that actually delivers on the promise. I personally prefer Ninja gaiden 2 but thats just a matter of personal taste.

  • miiiguel #106 4 years ago

    @Beano, but they did claim they would be the only. As a matter of fact, they implied (as long as they could...) that PS3 would be the "real next gen", and much better than everything else. That's what makes me ps3lol, every so often.
    Other issues are the install thing which I dislike oh so much, the controler..., but those are details and minor stuff which 360 also has (a bit noisy).
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 14:46

  • noresalenocopy #107 4 years ago

    Best. Thread. Ever.

    We should all be playing happy games anyway...Lost Winds is out tomorrow!

  • Fwing #108 4 years ago

    @Rash

    So how come Konami and Polyphony can do it? Or the Uncharted guys? By your measure all non-1st-party titles wouldn't perform well.
    There are some clever guys at FRD. Maybe they just didn't have enough time. But if it takes too much time for developers to get the power out of the PS3 (unless they have deep pockets) then isn't this a flaw?

    Either way I guess if the title performs well its due to the PS3 being a great machine and if it doesn't its because the developers suck?
    Nice cop-out you have there.

  • Rash' #109 4 years ago

    Bloodkult, You think that Wii is going to last 10 years??? Not with that hardware it isn't. Beside's Wii sells because of Wii Sports. A system seller if you were in need of one.

  • muscleblade #110 4 years ago

    @Beano

    They did claim that their console was superior in every way expecially in the graphics department. And its pretty clear that isnt the case as of now. It probably never will be the case either ( trust me ).
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 14:49

  • Beano #111 4 years ago

    "but they did claim they would be the only"

    True - at that time MS didn't offer 1080p games or even supported 1080p output. Today only a few 360 games run in native 1080p. The rest is upscaled from 720p.


    "They did claim that their console was superior in every way expecially in the graphics department. And its pretty clear that isnt the case as of now."

    I agree... marketing hype WTF.


    "It probably never will ( trust me )."

    Why should I trust you?

    You have a time machine? ;)
    Edited by 2 at 19/05/08 @ 14:49

  • Rash' #112 4 years ago

    Fwing, It's not a cop out. CoD4 and Burnout Paradise were both 1st gen titles on PS3 and both performed equally if not better on PS3. If Haze, a console exclusive, can't deliver a similar level of technical achievement are you going to tell me it's because of the inability of the platform??? That's bull.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 14:56

  • Rash' #113 4 years ago

    Bloodkult, There are many factors in play here. Needless to say we aren't going to cover them all on these pages. All I know is in terms of hardware, Wii can't last the distance.

  • TheNinkyNonk #114 4 years ago

    I thought middle age was finaly catching up with me and that I was growing out of games...

    ...then I sold the PS3, bought a 360 and spent the whole weekend gaming. God bless you Xbox Live :)

    Oh, and Haze is dull dull dull if the demo is anything to go by and lazy lazy lazy if this news is anything to go by

  • Fwing #115 4 years ago

    @Rash

    COD4 and Burnout are from deep-pockets developers working on bankable IPs. They get the time and resources they need because they're guaranteed a return on the investment.
    FRD aren't stupid but something has clearly gone awry. Like I say I think the PS3 is too complex to get the performance out of in the time-frame allowed to most small developers.

  • Darren #116 4 years ago

    @richardiox - To be completely fair, both the 360 and PS3 have their share of sub-720p games... remember the 360's flagship title, Halo 3, ran at 1152x640 with NO anti-aliasing and PGR 3 was 600p too. ;)

    However, when you look at multiformat games the PS3 does seem to suffer more than the 360 which leads me to suspect (and I add that this is just my own opinion as an owner of both machines) that perhaps Sony's machine really isn't as powerful as Microsoft's. Maybe it's because the PS3 is more complex, whatever, while the differences between the two machines are certainly not as pronounced as that of the PS2 and Xbox, it does seem to me that the Xbox again has the edge this generation as far as graphics go, thanks to the forward thinking behind ATI's Xenos chip. Or, again, perhaps it's just because it's an easier machine to code for.

  • Rash' #117 4 years ago

    Fwing, Haze was first shown as a multiplat new franchise for Ubisoft's portfolio. Since then it has seen at a least a delay and change status from multiplat to console exclusive. It's isn't a small budget game. I agree something has gone "awry", but not what you think. It's a dev issue. Let's just agree to disagree on this one because my minds made up.

  • RexRunti #118 4 years ago

    Can you imagine what this game would have been like if it had been forced out on time?

  • Gradius #119 4 years ago

    @Xerx3s

    "Better a low res game with loads of details and gameplay than a stale highres one."

    I totally agree, as I'm sure most of us do, the only problem is we've already seen games that look and play wonderfully on these systems in a much higher resolution than Haze. Uncharted, Gears of War and others have proven that things can be done better, I think that's the beef really. I agree with you though, as in, I personally couldn't care less about resolution. I think this kind of thing really upsets the non-PC gamer more than anyone else. PC gamers have had "HD" gaming for so long that it's really not an issue. For the "next gen" console crowd, they see it as something that was promised and therefore must be delivered (and fair play to them).

    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 15:10

  • Rash' #120 4 years ago

    Darren, Personally, I think it's a combination of better GPU, unified RAM and easier to develop for. Until dev's fully unearth the strength of PS3 I'm not convinced 360 is more capable in any other way.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 15:11

  • Darren #121 4 years ago

    @RexRunti - Running at 640x256 with no AA? :p

  • Darren #122 4 years ago

    So the graphics have been discussed to death, on to more important things like when will we get the EG review?

  • bioreit #123 4 years ago

    @ Darren and Rash'

    Actually, I'd put more money on Microsoft's dev support tools - I seem to recall loads of interviews from a couple of years back, whereby devs (third- and first-party) were really shouting about Microsoft's support; how the tools they gave them were not only comprehensive but easy to use and, more importantly, familiar and adaptable from what they already knew.

    Spec-wise, I reckon PS3 and 360 are just about equal - I'd say the Cell is probably better at the pure maths (so ultra-physics heavy games would benefit), whereas the 360 has the better GPU and AA scaler. So it's basically a wash - in terms of hardware. The key difference, I think, really is the support from the two companies.

    I think Sony have what I may dare to say is their 'typical' attitude - developers should be thankful they have been given just the opportunity to produce games on their precious console, with only the 1.5 party devs (Insomniac, Squenix, etc) given extra help and support tools and insider know-how. The Epic team asking for help with UT3 springs to mind over this. MS on the other hand, appear to have extended help and support to pretty much every team that's out there, meaning they have a greater sharing mentality about tips and tricks, etc.

    Just a though, mind...

  • thinktank #124 4 years ago

    "The rejection of the HD consoles all over the world means they'll be lucky to even survive this generation, have you seen the Japanese charts lately?
    If your fancy console with a new GTA game can't outsell a console bundled with a non-game about balancing on cheap plastic board in the good ol USA you know you're fucked."


    But the only one making any money from the Wii's success is ninty, all the major devs make their money on PS2/3/x360

  • Rash' #125 4 years ago

    bioreit, If there was a prize for best hardware philosophy, then MS would certainly get it with their approach to 360. With PS3, because of it's unknown architecture, I have a curiousity is to see how the hardware can push creative devs that work to the system's strengths. Only then will we be able to make a fair comparison between the two systems. At the moment 360 has the advantage because devs can make the system sing, while they (rightly or wrongly) struggle on PS3.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 15:29

  • #126 4 years ago

    I was watching Gamer TV at the weekend with my kid. It was a HAZE special and it did look tbh very average. I suspect Haze will appear on the xb360 as well as I did see a 360 in FRDs dev studio when that twat Rob was doing the rounds in the office.

    That be said, pity for FRD. The ps3 is a fantastic machine but Haze will probably be on the 360 soon and look better with a 720 res.

  • miiiguel #127 4 years ago

    I can't understand why, for some minds, an easier to code machine/system is a bad thing in comparision with the opposite...

  • ps3owner #128 4 years ago

    I can watch 1080p movies with my PS3. that's not bad at all ;). Haze sucks anyway. no point in arguing about it. shame for the PS3 camp though. but hey.

    + spend my time playing COD4. I really have trouble quitting it. will there be a COD5 ? Post modern warfare? maybe pre-historic warfare, with clubs and all...



  • miiiguel #129 4 years ago

    "will there be a COD5 ?"
    Is already in development. It's by Treyarch, this time though...

  • Rash' #130 4 years ago

    miiiguel: Which minds are you referring to?

  • Nillsens #131 4 years ago

    Played the demo, definately not buying.

  • Darren #132 4 years ago

    @Rash' - At the risk of sounding pro-Xbox 360 (which I'm not), I'd say that while Microsoft might struggle to build reliable hardware, their tech bods certainly know how to make a good console packed with features. They proved it with the Xbox and they certainly managed to put together a decent successor, even if it is a bit crippled by the lack of a standard HDD IMO. Sony on the other hand, often give the impression that they've sat down and thought about what would be cool to include in a console, thrown everything into the mix and waited to see what came out! That's what the E3 2005 presentation seemed like. While I've no doubt the PS3 is very capable of producing many wonderful games, just as the similarly flawed PS2 was, there's no denying that it's an over complicated system to code for, just like its predecessor was. Ease of use just doesn't seem to exist at Sony HQ! LOL

  • WillTheSecond #133 4 years ago

    Just make it 480p and put it on Wii. It'll play better than dual analogue anyway.

    But really, 576p? That's just standard-def PAL with pro-scan... it speaks more of the inability of the supposedly HD consoles than the game itself, although the buzz for Haze is significantly negative at the moment.

  • Wash #134 4 years ago

    LOLS3

  • Rash' #135 4 years ago

    Arbiter: I believe MS deserve kudos for their philosophy in delivering an architecture devs understand and tools to get them started on their games. On the other hand I agree the design and manufacturing of the hardware has been well below any electronic manufacturer's standard.

  • Darren #136 4 years ago

    @vercetti102 - I have to say that I love my PS3 and, yes, it is capable of delivering stunning looking games that also play well as evidenced by Ratchet & Clank ToD, Uncharted and MLB 08: The Show but it seems that it takes a lot of hard work to achieve it and that's something not all developers are willing to do or, more likely, have the time or money to achieve. When you look at the PS2, most of its finest looking games like God of War and Shadow of the Colossus didn't come until very late in its life when developers had mastered the hardware and knew how to get the best out of it. I'm sure this will be true of the PS3 too but maybe Sony should sit down and think about how to make the PS4 a more friendly system to code for rather than repeating the same mistakes of the PS2 and PS3.

  • #137 4 years ago

    Maybe it was cross platform with the Wii, Wii being the main dev console :p

  • chris_ace #138 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • Gradius #139 4 years ago

    @WillTheSecond

    "it speaks more of the inability of the supposedly HD consoles than the game itself"

    That's nonsense, we've already seen that these systems can put out some really decent games and comfortably get along with a higher res than this.

  • infoxicated #140 4 years ago

    I have been looking forward to Haze since it was announced, but the demo made my eyes hurt and some of the texture joins were of the standard found in first-gen PS2 games. This has gone from one of the reasons I bought my PS3 to a game I'll probably only pick up pre-owned.

    And for that, I'm gutted - I just hope they can salvage the engine for TimeSplitters 4.

  • bigbadbeasty #141 4 years ago

    Anyone running this game on a TV/monitor that runs above 720p will have a very blurry experience. I tried it at 1080i, it felt like someone had taken my glasses off, and covered my eyes with Vaseline- truly horrid. I feel they would be better off lowering some of the detail or something, that way it could perhaps at least hit 1080p (just like Sony promised).

  • Rash' #142 4 years ago

    Darren: I think the difference in MS and Sony's strategy lies in their appreciation of the market and understanding when it'll be ready for the HD online era. MS started early with the Xbox establishing the infrastructure for Live by the premature end of the original console's life. Sony opted against such a move and are now arguably playing catch up. The question is when will the market be ready. Judging by Wii's current dominance, I don't believe it's ready yet.
    Edited by 2 at 19/05/08 @ 16:13

  • bigbadbeasty #143 4 years ago

    "the saturn was hard to develop for and was less powerfull than the ps2"

    A little unfair. The Saturn was in competition with the PS1 :)

  • Darren #144 4 years ago

    I honestly think that by the time developers have learnt how to get the most out of the PS3 to produce games that look consistently good, including multiformat ones, Microsoft will be near to releasing or will have released the 360's successor and thus the cycle will start all over again. Sony need to think long and hard about how to make the PS4 easier to code for IMO so there isn't such a steep learning curve next time round.

  • des #145 4 years ago

    At least people are talking about Haze now

  • septimus #146 4 years ago

    Wow, they must suck at development. As mentioned, Uncharted, UT3 etc all run at proper HD.

    Lame. I'll wait for the 360 version, which will run at 720p as it's simpler to dev for seemingly.

  • DrDamn #147 4 years ago

    @DaemonB
    FRD are developing Timesplitters 4 as multiplatform - which would explain the dev kits. If the game itself has no real saving graces it would be foolish to do a 360 version, too much other competition. The PS3 hasn't had that many FPS's full stop and it fills a hole.

    Personally I found the game actually plays quite well. Graphically not all that good but gameplay wise it's got very good controls for a console shooter - something a lot of better looking games get horribly wrong.

  • DrDamn #148 4 years ago

    @Darren
    "Sony need to think long and hard about how to make the PS4 easier to code for IMO so there isn't such a steep learning curve next time round."

    You could have levelled the same criticisms at the PS2 unfortunately. Though actually getting a bit of a kicking this gen could be the best thing for them.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 16:30

  • Rash' #149 4 years ago

    Darren, I agree that Sony's hardware design philosophy needs re-evaluating so it's architecture is more approachable. With Kutaragi now gone it could well be likely. With regards to the successor to 360, as PS2 continues to show the advent of the next gen doesn't instantly mean death for the previous generation.

  • Rash' #150 4 years ago

    Arbiter: I completely agree.

  • DrDamn #151 4 years ago

    @Arbiter
    MS have caused themselves a lot of damage with RROD issues - however I still think getting to the market much earlier has served them well. It was a calculated and accepted risk.

    Getting a decent sized foothold and ensuring it is the lead dev platform for a lot of stuff is reaping benefits. Actually having stuff on the shelf which counters Sony's PR claims must have help them too. If they had launched closer to the PS3 release then we would be looking at a market where they would have done a lot worse.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 16:39

  • hahayou #152 4 years ago

    No one has pointed out that this basically breaks 4-way split-screen yet? This is by far the most interesting feature of Haze, but it seems it'll be another stupid last-gen can't-see-a-damn-thing-in-multi experience.

    Maybe they'll reduce the effects/textures and increase the res for split-screen?

  • monkie_king #153 4 years ago

    I think it's interesting that X360 has such a strong following in spite of its flaws. Yes, it's noisy, it RRODs, peripherals are expensive etc., but it has made up for all that by delivering fantastic gaming experiences. People are willing to look past its faults and buy it regardless because of what it actually delivers.

    On the other hand, the PS3 has been selling mainly on the basis of promises. Whether it's "true next gen", the supposed power of the Cell, Home, GT5, Killzone 2, what we keep hearing over and over from PS3 supporters is "just you wait until ...". The problem is that more and more of those promises are turning out to have been pretty flimsy, and the PS3 still has very little to show for itself, with one exclusive after another falling flat and the hardware turning out to not to be so great after all. Haze is just the latest nail in the coffin.

    But yeah, let's wait for the in game XMB, and MGS4 and LBP and Resistance2 ...

  • lennon #154 4 years ago

    Demo was dull. Such a shame as I have a credit note burning a hole in my pocket. Looks like it will be another two weeks of Viva Pinata and GTA 4 until Lego Indy arrives.

  • espibara #155 4 years ago

    Haze the new game from free radical.

    Blurry gaphics, no detail, PS2 like effects but wait................ its smooth (oh were so grateful).
    Sub HD graphics.
    A 4GB fucking install WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Are free radical having a laugh? With all the delays I was expecting something with a lot of polish.
    Am I gonna pay40-50- quid for this, a generic, blurry not very special FPS. In order for a FPS to stand out it ahs to look good and this seems painfully generic.

    Plus take a look at the bullshit preview shots and compare them to the current vaseline-effect blurry ones now.
    B U L L S H I T.


  • Gaol #156 4 years ago

    I actually loved the demo and will buy the final release. Twitchy fps gameplay always appealed to me, and it reminds me a lot of Timesplitters.

    I think the headline for this article speaks volumes for the current editorial bias of Eurogamer. Yes, its worth reporting (sub-720p games are a disappointing trend) - but in the context of a review that shows both pros and cons. FR will get a rough ride critically because of the exclusive deal (as will Konami next month).

  • #157 4 years ago

    Yeah my sons COD4 wont play on his 360, and the drive scratched it too, so hes off to buy another copy!!!

    360 is a great machine but I don't really think people overlook it problems because it delivers. I mean only within the last 1.5 year has all the real numbers of problems been exposed. If general population knew it had as many porblems as it its aired now would they have bought it?

    I know I wouldn't have but I bought it for my kid and didn't know any better.

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #158 4 years ago

    PLOLHAZE

  • Luvbeers #159 4 years ago

    The problem is that while some PS3 games are exclusive and built from the ground up for the PS3... the engines themselves are also ports from the 360 dev kit. Hense shit games. I can see now why the PS2 devasted the original xbox. Ye who can develop first, reaps ye harvest.

  • Yaz #160 4 years ago

    vercetti102 wrote: "that the 360 has a design-level fault?"

    Come now vercetti102, stop pretending that's all you was talking about here. :)

  • smelly #161 4 years ago

    To all you fanboy retards who are saying "well i'm sure it'd run at a better resolution on the 360"

    WTF Are you talking about?

    Do you KNOW the technical reasons why? Are you forgetting that even your beloved (gawd knows why) halo 3 didnt even run at 720p?

    And he's right. If gamers werent told what res it was running at, they almost definately wouldnt know (or care) - unless it was going back to running at 480i - no-one would notice.

    Hell with proper anti-aliasing most people around here probably couldnt even spot 480p compared to 720p. Personally with the drop of frame rate most games seem to get at 720p, give me 480p at 60fps compared to 720p at 30fps any day of the week. When it comes to games frame rate is more important than resolution.

    Now stop pulling yer puds while telling us how GREAT your machine is.. Sheesh.. What is it you're so worried about? Well apart from the inevitable "last place" by the end of the year???
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 17:32

  • Brianstorm #162 4 years ago

    this game must be really crap, with the review scores to date (4 x reviewers from the legendary famitsu magazine) 9/10 8/10 9/10 8/10 and 9/10 from the italian Playstation magazine... So lowest score is 8/10...

    This sounds like it will be the 2nd best FPS after COD 4 on the PS3, so I'm looking forward to it...

  • jetsetdemo #163 4 years ago

    @DaemonB
    Yup my 360 scratched 2 out of 3 games i put in it, allthough you can get the discs fixed at blockbuster for £2, AND THEY WORK AFTERWARDS! Send it back to microsoft just got my 3rd 360 back, and now my discs are scratch free this one does not seam to be damaging them YET!

  • #164 4 years ago

    @jetsetdemo

    thx for the blockbuster tip.. will mention to my son, im sure he`ll be pleased.

  • monkie_king #165 4 years ago

    Famitsu also scored PS3 and Xbox versions of Orange Box 36/40, which is a bit weird. I thought Japan doesn't "do" FPSes, anyway.

  • lefizz #166 4 years ago

    Anyone who recons you cant tell the difference between 480p and 1080p is basically talkign utter bolox.
    I don't care how much AA you put on top that anyone can tell the diffrence. That a 1/5th of the pixel compared to a 1080p image.
    Thats NTSC vs 1080p , do you actualy believe that yourself? 1080 vs 720 is different and if it meant a decent jump in frame rate i would very often choose the 720p simply because its high enough res that scaling hardware/software can do decent work interpolating it up.
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 17:58

  • Yaz #167 4 years ago

    NatAttack wrote: "No, they are not identical. The 360 version has much better texturing."

    Hmmm, all the comparisons I've read suggests they are practically identical, where the texturing can look a little better on the 360 at times, and the old effect can look a little better on the PS3 at times, but overall, they're equal.

    eg.

    http://ww w.eurogamer.net/article.php?art...

  • Gradius #168 4 years ago

    Regarding COD4, (Call me sad) but I have both versions so I can play with friends over PSN or XBL (which ever they have). Both versions really really do look as close to identical as possible imo, I slightly prefer the 360 version but this is only because it loads quite a bit faster. Other than that, there's nothing in it.

  • MyPointIs #169 4 years ago

    Already said, but 4GB on a 40GB machine is far from minimal.

  • Athrack #170 4 years ago

    Just give me some damn ANTIALIASING! What's the point of having a £1000 tv and console power monsters when every edge looks like a goddamn set of stairs!?

  • monty2k #171 4 years ago

    Anyway heres some new gameplay footage from gamespot with a possible spoiler warning:

    [link url=http://au.gamespo t.com/news/blogs/review-blog/909185210/26393451/haze-a-preli minary-update.html
    ]http://au .gamespot.com/news/blogs/review...[/link]

    Hard to tell how decent the graphics are from that video but one thing is for sure - the script sounds so shite it's unbelievable. They've tried to do some kind of Aliens/Starship Troopers banter but it just falls flat on its face.

  • Sar #172 4 years ago

    ps3lol


    Sorry, had to be done.

  • Vic #173 4 years ago

    I wonder if people will question PS3's power when MGS4 drops?

    Haze just looks rushed to me.

  • murphy245 #174 4 years ago

    another 4 gig il need a new hdd at this rate! oh well its all worth it.

  • Yaz #175 4 years ago

    Vic wrote: "I wonder if people will question PS3's power when MGS4 drops?"

    It's not really about questioning the PS3's power, it's about the reality that it's not as powerful as some gamers like to believe (i.e. those who still believe the PS3 will blow away the 360 in future). The 360 and PS3 are very simliar in terms of power, with the PS3 having a slight edge for those devs with the resources to get the most out of it.

    Hence Haze doesn't look as it does and run at 576p because it's rushed, it's like that because currently that's the most Free Radical can get out of the PS3 for their game. :|
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 20:08

  • Gradius #176 4 years ago

    A big +1 to Yaz.

    The sad fact is that many devs still haven't got their heads round the good old PS3 yet. For me, this doesn't matter because I bought the system almost solely for certain exclusives (and so I can play online with my PS3 only owning friends) but it's going to take a while for some devs to really get to grips with the hardware, give it a few years and I know the PS3 will shine but for now I've got MGS4 and a few other gems to play/look forward to, so it's all good in the end imo :-)

  • davisorle #177 4 years ago

    Like i've said before... Not only PS3 needs installation but also offers nothing extra graphically but the other way around. See DMC. Crossplatform and yet the ps needs instalation. GTA4 is at its worse in PS3 version and so on... Well down goes one of the so awaited tittles of PS3. Not even HD and 4Gigs installation. Well i hope they eat BR discs for breakfast. Would be more usefull there.

  • Gradius #178 4 years ago

    @davisorle

    No offence, but seriously, what does it matter. There are people who enjoy their PS3's, people who own 360's and people who own both, like myself. Both systems are great in their own way. We know the 360 performs better on a lot of multi platform titles. Why do you feel the need to rub peoples faces in it? It's not just you though, so don't take this as a personal attack, it's not meant that way:-)

    I'll never understand the fanboy culture here :-(

    /feels like an outcast

  • Ryze #179 4 years ago

    No ta.

    I expect the same of Killzone.

  • #180 4 years ago

    @Gradius

    Nothing to do with fanboyism, its simple intergroup discrimination.

    Some peeps need to belong :/

  • reddevil93 #181 4 years ago

    I'll have 21gb left of my 60gb hdd after this install. Nearly time for an upgrade me thinks.

  • cawley1 #182 4 years ago

    Crikey, who gies a fuck about the resolution really, surely all that matters is if the game is enjoyable, which it appears this one is not going by the majority of comments.

    And as for all that 'look at GT4, Unchartered etc. and see what you can get out of the hardware when it is done right' - someone pinch me but I think I just dropped back into 1996 and have had a blast on Saturn VF2/Sega Rally/Virtua Cop while looking at the wank PSone ports!

    I have been too busy playing Boom Blox and LostWinds on the Wii in glorious 480p-shite'ovision to really care, a couple of great games that are actually fun to play (and for what it is worth, yes I do also own a PS3 and no I don't own a 360!)

  • Vedfolner #183 4 years ago

    I really don't like how Sony and the game developers for the PS3 are treating gamers these days. Sony simply couldn't stop talking about how the "true next generation af gaming" didn't start until they released the PS3. Well, I bought the damn thing (and lucky for me, the 360 and the Wii) AND I bought a very expensive TV that supports true HD, 1080P. After having purchased the PS3 just recently, I´m amazed at how few PS3 games actually support true HD.
    And now the game developers want to tell us that the whole HD thing "really doesn't matter"!? How lazy and arrogant can you possibly get?
    Edited by 1 at 19/05/08 @ 23:53

  • Madlax #184 4 years ago

    Sacrifice resolution for a smooth gameplay...eh ? not sure about that.

    3rd party Devs need to pull them themselves together, and sony needs to help them, there is a lot of untapped power in the ps3 hardware, just watch this newest Killzone 2 video with the real-time level intro, it looks amazing:

    [link url=http://www.g amevideos.com/video/id/18922
    ]http://www.g amevideos.com/video/id/18922
    [/link]

    I don't expect 3rd parties to match this video, but the video does tell us that the power is there, its just that most developers don't want to invest the time and money to extract it, so its up to sony to help them.

  • Triggerhappytel #185 4 years ago

    *Sigh*

    With every new announcement, Haze slips further and further down in my estimations. It just appears to have been a monumental fuck-up every step of the way.

  • beep #186 4 years ago

    Let's face it, neither the PS3 or the X360 have the grunt to render all games at "true" HD at 60fps with the graphic complexity people expect from post PS2/ Xbox standards. If there was a committee that rejected all games not running at 'HD' res @60fps than developers would be forced to consider that guideline in their design but nooooo. This is the way it is. Move on.

  • Dr_Lobster #187 4 years ago

    Man, these massive installs are getting tedious. What's the point of having a 60 GB hard drive if games lop off sometimes 5% of the space?

  • muscleblade #188 4 years ago

    Gradius wrote:We know the 360 performs better on a lot of multi platform titles. Why do you feel the need to rub peoples faces in it?

    Its not about that - its about letting people know that the 360 is a better choice if you want the best of the best. Not all people can afford both PS3 and a 360 like you and me. All serious gamers needs to own a 360 imo. I feel the need to inform gamers that the fact of the matter is 360 is superior regarding both muliplatform and exclusive titles. Only hardcore movielovers that buy a lot of blueray movies should consider the PS3 over the 360.

    Edited by 1 at 20/05/08 @ 07:30

  • thinred #189 4 years ago

    Yep, once again Eurogamer never missing a chance to point out ANYTHING that will cast PS3 in a bad light. Nice job guys.

  • muscleblade #190 4 years ago

    @thinred

    Whats the problem - Its the truth. Consumers/gamers should always be interested in this kind of reveals.

  • Yaz #191 4 years ago

    Ok Umberty, you've had your anti-360 rant now, got anything to add to the topic itself? ;)

  • Les #192 4 years ago

    "Darren, I agree that Sony's hardware design philosophy needs re-evaluating"

    It's not their hardware design philosophy per se that needs re-evaluating (if you're referring to the Cell processor) but they need to make sure good tools are available to utilize the hardware. I think it's a good thing to have abandoned the 'archaic' PowerPC processor platform if only to keep the industry from fully depending on a single processor architecture and thus limiting future options for innovation.

    "It's not really about questioning the PS3's power, it's about the reality that it's not as powerful as some gamers like to believe (i.e. those who still believe the PS3 will blow away the 360 in future). The 360 and PS3 are very simliar in terms of power, with the PS3 having a slight edge for those devs with the resources to get the most out of it."

    As long as people only judge a console's power based on the pixels it pushes, PS3 and 360 are quite evenly matched. The 360 is a pixel powerhouse, the PS3 can be if it's pushed (so Cell supporting the GPU) but there are far better uses for it's power (which is why exclusives in general are so much better than the third party efforts that invest 90% of their time in getting both versions to look the same...

    Played the Haze demo for a short while. Was better than I expected and the nectar effects are nice. But I currently have had my FPS fill so I might pick it up once it hits the bargain bins (or not, still have to play MGS3 and finish FF XII amongst others). Too much baseball to play (both MLB The Show 08 and PYS5 are excellent efforts and big improvements upon last year's versions for those interested).

  • muscleblade #193 4 years ago

    @Umberty

    Bullshit! The RROD is not a big issue for consumers cause you just return it an get a new one. The scratched discs is nothing i have experienced with two 360 consoles and over 50 retail games. And Xbox Live is such a great service its worth three times the small amount it costs. I actually only paid for it once. I got a free 12 month Live card with my GTAIV purchase. If cost issues are important then PS3 is not a better choice at all. I bet you dont own or never did own a 360 anyway.

  • Darren #194 4 years ago

    I was playing the Haze demo again last night in anticipation of the game's arrival from GAME on Thursday and think I may have judged it too harshly on what is only a small section of the game. Sure the graphics could be better, especially the textures, and it looks a little blurry but they serve their purpose and everything runs smoothly plus at least it isn't a jagfest. It plays well enough and after watching some gameplay videos I'm looking forward to actually playing it more than I was. Ahem.

    Quickly moving on, one thing that does irk me though is the way the bodies fade away almost immediately, nothing kills the immersive factor quicker than a cadaver fading away in a game, it's so 2001. I just can't understand why they do as the original Halo on the Xbox managed to keep bodies onscreen long enough to make the game world believable so why not the PS3 with its standard HDD? An annoying side-effect of this is that ammo dropped by the enemies is actually harder to find, a bit of an oversight by Free Radical I think. :?

    Anyway, I'm not going to comment any further on this game until I've had a chance to play the final product. The game is apparently released in the US today which makes the lack of reviews very odd but hopefully we'll get EG's within the next day or two?

  • DjFlex52 #195 4 years ago

    Yikes!

    IGN gave Haze a 4.5/10.
    What gives?

  • Gradius #196 4 years ago

    @muscleblade

    "its about letting people know that the 360 is a better choice if you want the best of the best."

    C-mon mate, we already know about these two consoles, people who keep on repeating the same thing over and over again are not doing so to help new consumers make a considered choice, it's childish gloating.

  • DrDamn #197 4 years ago

    @Darren
    The bodies disappearing is all part of the story and nectar dosing. It makes bodies disappear to de-sanitise the soldiers from the havok they reap. Remember the Haze Distortion bit as you get to the village? The effect wears off briefly and you see one of the dead bodies from the bombing lying on a rock before it kicks in again. Obviously when you switch sides the same will not be true.

    This affect also has a big impact on the multi-player as rebels can play dead when they take enough damage - this will make them disappear quite handily. It's all about balancing between Nectar dosed players and rebels.

    So what you thought was a shit restriction could actually be quite a cool gameplay mechanic :)

    Similarly to someone who complained about the annoying "Jock" AI characters in the demo. You're not meant to like them - it's part of the story.

  • hulkamania78 #198 4 years ago

    wanted this game since i got my ps3. ign are generous with scores so 4.5 is reajjy a 3. so gutted goes off to buy cod4

  • Darren #199 4 years ago

    I thought the IGN review of Haze was rather poor, focusing far too much on the story, nearly one page of a two page review, and not enough on the game itself. Also IGN have a tendency to rate everything else low if the game is below par like presentation, sound and graphics and it's so apparent here. Sure Haze isn't an especially great looking or great sounding game but the scores they gave are a tad harsh. I guess we'll have to see what the other reviews make of it... rumour has it that gamesTM have given the game 4/10 too. Worrying...

  • DrDamn #200 4 years ago

    Yep - they seem to have almost grasped the idea that you are not meant to like you team mates at the start, but then never actually make the connection to the side switch too. They also miss a lot of the uses of nectar against the enemy once you switch sides (aside from the grenade).

    No it's not the best of games, but that review does seem to have missed the point in a few areas.

  • Buztafen #201 4 years ago

    Wheres Swam these days.....i miss that retard.....

    Anyone who says Halo3 doesnt look great or even amazing on the levels where they really went all out is either blind, a fanboy, or still playing their daddies console on a SD 14" Tecknika TV (£29.99 from tescos).

    I suggest a poll, who actually plays their nextgen console on a 'HDReady' TV?

    To start the ball rolling.....im on a 50' Panasonic Plasma (TH-50PX70PED) native res 1366x768...

    Uncharted, Gears, GT5, Condemned 2 and Bioshock (for the water effects) are graphically the most impressive ive played...so far

  • Darren #202 4 years ago

    Halo 3 looked very good at times but too often it looked merely OK IMO, thanks to the low rendering resolution and complete lack of AA which was surprising for the 360's flagship title. It looked rough and unfinished in places. Although the lighting was nice, it didn't look any better than other games on the 360 that used HDR so the decision to go with that over image quality always struck me as odd... and a mistake. That's just my opinion though but very few of the reviews I read raved about the graphics which as far as I'm concerned was very telling. I'll just say that they were good enough but rarely impressive compared with, say, Gears of War or Call of Duty 4. Sorry.

    P.S. I play games via HDMI on a calibrated Sony Bravia HDTV... ;)

  • Les #203 4 years ago

    "rumour has it that gamesTM have given the game 4/10 too. Worrying..."

    I don't have any reviewer in high regard but gamesTM is near the bottom after they slammed the best game in the last 2-3 years (Patapon for PSP) for missing a feature (removing troops from the line-up) that it doesn't miss. A bunch of wankers.

  • DFawkes #204 4 years ago

    I didn't ever think this game would review well due to being so generic it literally hurts, buy I'll still but it because I like the demo. The visuals are fairly poor, but I want it for the multiplayer and playing dead :) Love the feature in MGO, I'll love it here too.

    Oh, and the 0.01% chance of some kind of monkey cameo. Don't dissapoint Free Radical.
    Edited by 1 at 20/05/08 @ 11:10

  • Barkotron #205 4 years ago

    "To start the ball rolling.....im on a 50' Panasonic Plasma (TH-50PX70PED) native res 1366x768..."

    You have a 50 foot plasma screen with a resolution like that? So the pixels are what, about the size of a brick? Blimey.

    On topic, played the demo round my brother's house, it's just a shit game even if you completely ignore the underwhelming graphics. Very, very uninspired.

  • Buztafen #206 4 years ago

    @Darren - I guess im more impressed by the engines robustness than the actual visuals (the reflective surface and shadows on the wraiths/ghosts always get me a little giddy. Nearing the end of it (bit late i know but ive got far to many games to complete atm) and an airborn battle with 2 scarabs was great to watch aswell as play, as there was so much going on and the engine just took it in its stride. Looked fantastic.

    Gonna have a look at the Haze demo tonight, see what all this pissin an bitchin is about....

  • Buztafen #207 4 years ago

    @Barkotron - Ok you got me, i lied about the 50 foot panny, its only lowly inches.....i do have a 5m long remote control though...has good girth too! :)

  • Yaz #208 4 years ago

    Les wrote: "As long as people only judge a console's power based on the pixels it pushes, PS3 and 360 are quite evenly matched. The 360 is a pixel powerhouse, the PS3 can be if it's pushed (so Cell supporting the GPU) but there are far better uses for it's power (which is why exclusives in general are so much better than the third party efforts that invest 90% of their time in getting both versions to look the same..."

    Well I'm certainly not only judging the consoles by graphics alone Les :), and yes, exclusives tend to be better (but not always) than multi-format games because devs can optimize the game specifically for one architecture.

    (Quick reply... can't say more... I'm at work :))

  • Quak #209 4 years ago

    @penhalion

    Can't hurt to have a 5th/6th SKU on the market, surely?

  • davisorle #210 4 years ago

    @Gradius

    Man, Im no fanboy and not a boy either. Screw MS for all i care. I only care for good games and for the gamer's best. The thing why i rub it in their faces is cause I still don't understand why they support Sony so much? If they would open their eyes see that they pay TOO much for a console specially when the BR has done nothing than made them pay exra till now on the gaming department and also they still have to use 10% of the console's HD drive for 1 game's installation, they will need only 9 more like that to fill it up with just installation files isnt that right? So why don't they all drop fucking Sony, let them hang with that high price ( also other companies will see the warning right there ) and realise that gaming isn't for thick wallets only. I spend too much money for my entertainment specially in my place. Since when do I have to spend also so much on a gaming console? Just cause Sony wants to? Stop paying for the fucking PS3 since it's unexplainably expensive and let them get close to bunkcrapcy so they will start thinking over before they come up with PS4 or whatever they will name the next console. Then you'll see how many ppl can afford an xbox, a wii and a play station. Thats why i rub it in. Cause they keep paying for shitty things which is actually insulting for themselves and it's pissing me off.

    Fuck MS, Fuck Sony. But at least MS preferred to loose a lot of money to keep the consoles in logical prices for anyone that might want to buy an xbox. See xbox ( the first ). Sony did what? Sells ppl a damn tostier saying that the yellow instead of red heating is better for your bread when it isnt and you practically pay double for it. The thing is that those kids in this site can't fucking think for themselves. They turn against MS cause they prefer PS3? What is the point in that? I turn against Sony cause they are using the trust of the consumer and that they taking advantage of the reasons why kids and ppl generally prefer to buy a PS console. Simply cause they are used to that. This piece of crap came out, how long after the xbox? And yet its offering worse graphical quality in almost all the crossplatform games. It's not even worth half it's price till they prove to me why that shit is worth being apart of my livingroom actually. Seriously, think about it.

  • thinred #211 4 years ago

    @davisorle

    "But at least MS preferred to loose a lot of money to keep the consoles in logical prices for anyone that might want to buy an xbox"

    This has been repeated to death, but some people still don't get it, for some strange reason. 360 is NOT cheaper than PS3 if you factor in the price of a wifi adapter (a must for many people), a useless HD drive AND the Live subscription if you want to play online. Believe or not these three items are essential for A LOT of people, and they all come free with PS3.

    "This piece of crap came out, how long after the xbox?"

    I suppose you're talking about the 360, right? Cause in my book a poorly designed, insufficiently tested console with such a high failure rate qualifies much more as a piece of crap than the PS3. Not to mention the fact that MS was FULLY AWARE that the console was faulty when they launched it. They just couldn't give a damn as long as they got first to the party this time round.

  • Yaz #212 4 years ago

    Er..what was this topic about again? ;)

  • IneptPercy #213 4 years ago

    I love when the SDF say the 360 costs more with all the addons.

    Lets see:
    360
    Premium £200
    If you have any sense then you wire the network on both consoles £0
    Play and charge kit £15
    Live... optional

    So thats £215 or £275 for the elite with 120GB hd

    The 20GB HD is more than enough to download demos etc and as you don't need 4GB per game should be fine.
    Live can be got for £23 if you shop around, I can honestly say its worth every penny and would rather keep paying than xbox live than it go free and drop to PSN standard.

    Meanwhile:
    PS3 £300
    DS3 to replace gimped sixaxis in box £30.

    So thats £330 , not a bad premium to pay for a blu-ray drive I don't want or need.

  • muscleblade #214 4 years ago

    Haze is a bad game it has an average of 54 so far on metacritic with 11 reviews in. Too bad Killzone 2 looks like it gonne be average at best with dull backrounds and poor controls aswell. MGS4 should be of high quality hopefully.

  • GamerG #215 4 years ago

    IneptPercy

    You forgot the PS3 does not come with Hi Def cables (£20) or a head set for voice chat in online games (really required for games like Haze) (£20), both of which are included in the 360's £199.

    Also the dual shock will be much more than £30 when it is released in Europe, its more than that in the States which does not bode well for here.
    Edited by 3 at 21/05/08 @ 08:01