Haze Comments by Rob Fahey
Multiplayer. The perfect drug?
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squarejawhero
23/04/08 @ 07:11
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Not so sure about this -
One rather unusual - and potentially annoying, although obviously essential - piece of balancing is that Mantel troopers can't hurt anyone they can't see - so you can't just shoot at the spot where you saw someone fall down just in case they weren't really dead. Without this, of course, the Rebel feign death ability would be near-useless - but it's still frustrating, as a Mantel soldier, to know that someone just feigned death (it's fairly obvious, since if they were really dead their weapon would have dropped) but be unable to do anything other than wait for them to get back up.
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the_dudefather
23/04/08 @ 07:17
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@squarejawhero
yeah sounds a bit weird, hopefully it will be balanced well, like you can only do it one every few minutes or something, and there is a way of countering it |
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JohnnyWashnGo
23/04/08 @ 07:17
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All sounds a bit meh to me.
Mantel guys can shoot up some nectar to increase their abilities, the Rebels have the wonderful special power of pretending to be dead. Ok, that kinda sums up it USP right? Pass. |
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Edit: RE: death feigning
^Was thinking the same thing. Maybe the Mantel will have some kind of counter to this? 'Cos if there was a mode, say like deathmatch in COD4, based on a teams kills, if the rebels got the upper hand they could all feign death and win the match by timer-count-down. Yeah, I know that sounds stupid, but as a veteren of many online games I know how far many will go to win.
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Mantel soldiers only see the world that their headgear allows them to. You'd think they're efficient, as well, so they wouldn't waste ammo shooting at something they couldn't see. :) Plus, if you're just standing around staring at the ground, as the Mantel soldier, you're leaving yourself ridiculously well open to a quick 'n' easy kill from the "downed" rebel's team mate.
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squarejawhero
23/04/08 @ 07:33
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@Machezato - no, the impression gives you can't fire into empty space. This isn't an RPG.
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the_dudefather
23/04/08 @ 08:03
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@Machetazo
as a trade off, you can lose your current weapon if the enemy picks it up |
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Britesparc
23/04/08 @ 08:36
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I also think the implementation of feigning death seems strange; you'd obviously know they weren't dead, so presumably you just be watching the spot where they fell. Maybe, instead of the disorientation, the "cost" of feigning death was you dropped your currently equipped weapon; it would look more realistic to the Mantel troops and give a sense of risk to the "reincarnated" rebel, having to use a back-up weapon or run to grab the one they dropped before anyone else.
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Prodigy_BE
23/04/08 @ 08:37
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As much as I trust Free Radical, this whole feinting death idea seems kinda broken.
The guy who pointed out that during clan wars, rebels who are in the lead score wise will just all use this trick and until the timer reaches zero is totally spot on. It seems like it would be cooler that Feinting death would make you drop your weapon (but you keep your secondary weapon), and Mantel guys could still shoot you. That would be logical. This isn't. |
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I have to agree with the comments above about the feigning death thing - if it really is that obvious whether or not someone was feigning, it kind of breaks the whole game mechanic.
If you think about it realistically, if you were in a battlefield and pretended to be dead, there'd be little you could do to stop your opponent coming along and picking up your weapon - unless of course you want to reveal yourself as faking it. I don't see why FRD don't just build in a weapon drop to the feign death move, so that that particular little hiccup is removed. The pretend-dead soldier would then have to resort to their reserve weapon (assuming everyone can carry two or more at a time?) when they get up again until they can steal one back from another kill. Shouldn't be too much of a handicap for them yet would stop the feign death move being quite so obvious from the other side. |
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"Why didn't they just make the feign look authentic, by adding a weapon drop animation, at the point where the fake occurs? "
Yeah, and instead of being disorientated when the get up, they could spend that time recovering their weapon, i.e giving the Matel player time and balancing the game. What would happen if the Mantel player picked up the dropped weapon though? Maybe that's a risk you take feigning death. So you're only left with you pistol until you find a better weapon. Or, is it that the Mantel players weapon replaces the rebels one on the ground, can they carry two primary weapons? |
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nickthegun
23/04/08 @ 08:58
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Can you imagine a team deathmatch with your entire squad trained on a single point waiting for some twat to get up, while running down the clock?
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Haze multiplayer could end up a little like the tail end of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrNonqsWphU |
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BiscuitBase
23/04/08 @ 09:22
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Don't tell me, you briefly played that old build they demoed at that Wembley thing earlier this year?
Oh no I've played it much more than that. |
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I also think the implementation of feigning death seems strange; you'd obviously know they weren't dead, so presumably you just be watching the spot where they fell. Maybe, instead of the disorientation, the "cost" of feigning death was you dropped your currently equipped weapon; it would look more realistic to the Mantel troops and give a sense of risk to the "reincarnated" rebel, having to use a back-up weapon or run to grab the one they dropped before anyone else.
I think that'd make sense - you could also replace the artificial handicap of being disorientated with a handicap of grabbing your gun and re-cocking it or something. |
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Agree with 'feigning-death=rebels-camp-for-wins' comments. Played loads of CoD4 headquarters last night - three of our team just sat in various camping positions well out of the way of combat, leaching points off the other three for 5 matches in a row. No kills, but no deaths and a healthy 100-300 XP for moving to a place of safety once every 10 minutes or so.
Rebels get the upperhand points-wise, then all just feign death until the clock counts down. Meaning everyone will try to play as rebels after the 'tactic' becomes widespread. Making the game broken. /yes, spitballing. No, of course I'm not psychic - but annoying kiddie players do this kind of thing all the time and it really gets on my mammaries. |
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afghan_jones
23/04/08 @ 10:06
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Sounds awful.
feign death sounds wank, especially when you know they arent really dead. Make them pick up their weapon again after it drops at least. To be honest, when placed against Halo & COD4 this game looks terrible. Which makes you wonder why they bothered really. |
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RE:
"Rebels get the upperhand points-wise, then all just feign death until the clock counts down. Meaning everyone will try to play as rebels after the 'tactic' becomes widespread. Making the game broken. " we're all assuming here that this is entirely possible in the game. We can't slate something as being broken without actually going hands on ourselves! |
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A handful of people that I know of that have worked on it haven't said anything positive. Not a good sign.
The screenshots look ropey (it looks like a game world, rather than hiding the fact everything is boxed in which I personally think COD4 does quite well). I dont hold out much hope of FreeRad here. I think all this 'nectar' rubbish is sounded pretty stupid from day one, I mean I cant even get discounts at Sainsbury's or shoot people pretending to be dead. Maybe its a game designed for 12 year olds. 6/10 I know I'm being harsh and dont know the whole story/haven't played it. But this is a forum. First impressions count ;)
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Sometime ago i was really interested in this game but the more i read the less i want it, i'm still tempted because of the single player game but the multiplayer sounds arse! I respect them trying hard to be different from Halo and COD4 etc but there's a reason those games are so popular, they're just great fun to play. Feigning death, troopers going bezerk, bodies disappearing then reappearing all sounds a mess. Personally i just would like some interesting game modes, some cool weapons, vehicles that multiple players can jump on, some tanks! and intense firefights which give you that adrenalin rush when escaping alive from.
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did nobody think that during the last few months of careful game balancing that FRD have been doing, someone there might have thought of the 'game breaking' thing you're talkin about? and that maybe it's not actually possible in-game? maybe there's a time limit on how long you can feign death for or something. if a bunch of random people on a game forum have thought of a way to break the game within minutes, i'm sure it's occurred to the professional game designers at FRD sometime over the last few months...
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