Hardcore will "pay attention" to Wii soon News

Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

lololololol

2009 year of the Wii confirmed!

Yes because the line up of this Christmas and the entire next year is just overflowing with AAA games. Oh wait.

Nintendo can never win with the 'tards.

People bitch and moan for 'traditional' games, then when they appear "OMG MILKING THE CASH COW ZZZZ ANOTHER MARIO ANOTHER ZELDA"

Then when those games aren't on the horizon "OMG SHOVELWARE NO HARDCORE GAMES WTF ZZZZ NEED ANOTHER ZELDA"

Then of course if they try anything new... "CASUAL GAME OMG ABANDONED THEIR CORE WITH THIS SHIT"

No I'm not sticking up for Wii Music, but I am sticking up for Wii Sports.

Then there are ace games like Excitetruck which get entirely ignored.

Also I like how as soon as a game is released, it is apparently instantly destroyed from the memories of every gamer in the entire world. People are acting like Galaxy, Brawl and Mario Kart Wii don't exist anymore. I refuse to believe that everyone who moans about there being no Wii games has played every single AAA Wii title at all, let alone to completion.

Then there are ace games like Excitetruck which get entirely ignored.

you what... sorry, but come on.

I'm sure there's a better example of a forgotten Wii gem but it's been at least 2 minutes since it was released, therefore I cannot recall it and it might not even exist at all anymore, sorry.

"If you look at something like The Conduit, that's really pushing the edge of graphic capabilities on the Wii and doing things that people didn't think were possible."

So upto first generation xbox levels yet? *said with tongue firmly in cheek*

If these improved graphics are as good as they make them out to be, I might have to have another look at the wii. Im no graphic whore, but they are a big part of my enjoyment of a game as a whole, along with gameplay, music etc.. At the moment, the wii doesnt scratch that itch for me.

The original Halo looks better than The Conduit.

Now what do we have here... Brain training 5, Arse training, Alphabet training, Number training. How many more trainings can we all cope with?

As with all my consolse purchases - 5 decent games (that I'm interested in) need to be released before I'll bite. Nintendo have yet to do that for me. I need proper games, not waggle collections, things with depth that they are not producing and don't appear to have anywhere on their schedules (The conduit, looks like a sub-par version of generic shooter on the xbox, punch out is not deep/core, sin and punishment not what I'm interested in I'm afraid). Good job the xbox, ps3 are knocking out so many great games at the moment really....

Cynical bunch aren't we.

You can't beat a bit of Wii Bowling in a party atmosphere.

Well I think No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki are both excellent Wii games, plus I really enjoyed the new Wario game that just came out. I have to agree with LazyDan that a lot of people seem to forget that there are some really decent games on the Wii, however at the same time I wish I had more to look forward to.

Super Mario Galaxy is undoubtedly one of the greatest games I have ever played, so I'm still convinced that Nintendo have the ability to create AAA titles - other games that were excellent this year were Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Kart, but to be honest, to me they didn't really feel like Wii games. They could have easily been made for the Gamecube which somewhat disappoints me. In all honesty, I would like to see Nintendo really make the effort to create a game that feels like an actual Wii game - Zack and Wiki feels really unique to the console, so it would be great if they could (somehow!) make a non gimmicky game that makes use of the Wii's capabilities. The new motion plus add on will be out next year, so hopefully this will help create better games in the process by making the gameplay more responsive.

Ah, I dunno, let's just wait and see :S

Even if The Conduit does push the graphical capabilities of the Wii it will still look arse on an HDTV because Nintendo can't be bothered to make the Wii compatible.

To be honest though I am looking forward to Madworld and Punch Out. Fingers crossed they don't turn out to be utter toilet.

Sure you can , we just need SF IV released :D

"Bravia and alongside my HTPC and Blu Ray player"

What a wanker, everyone knows the only way to game these days is on a projector, and I dont care if you have to shine it at a white wall.

Bravia HTPC LOL

My Wii is gathering dust since finishing Mario Galaxy. But I have to say that is the best game I've played in the last 2yrs on any system. Most of the other games just have crap controls. Maybe I'm just to lazy to waggle

@ LazyDan - I won't deny you have a point and I also won't deny that I criticise Nintendo for those very reasons. However, I don't think it's too much to ask to expect some completely new franchises aimed at core gamers, rather than just their traditional rehashes. Sony and Microsoft have both managed interesting new core IPs this generation, so why can't Nintendo? As much as I enjoy Zelda and Metroid, they always have to fall back into their safety net of franchises they know sell well, rather than making something new, which breeds frustration and contempt.

And as good as The Conduit and MadWorld may look (I'm still very undecided, TBH), I don't think they're going to spark a mass shift of hardcore gamers to the console.

"Even if The Conduit does push the graphical capabilities of the Wii it will still look arse on an HDTV because Nintendo can't be bothered to make the Wii compatible."

Stop buying your TVs from Aldi, and get one with a good scaler then.
The Wii looks 'arse' maybe on my projector, but fine on the 40" Samsung in the study, and lush on the 32" in the dining room.

If I'm honest there are nly a handful of games I can think of that are any good on the Wii. I've got Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros and No More Heroes. Apart from Mad World doesn't seem to be anything to look forward to on the Wii apart from the odd VC game.

Seriously I've not played it now for ages, with the exception of the odd VC game, namely Castlevania 3. Not put a game disc in it for a good couple of months if not longer.

The what?

The wii doesn't have the horsepower to satisfy the hardcore. Better stick to the fun games.

It's the kind of news I've been waiting for all year. Let’s hope they don't disappoint.
@SlackMaster: Try Metroid, Zelda and De-Blob. They are all good games although first 2 are old franchises re-worked.

I got the Wii because I thought, ignoring the fact that the graphics wont be as good as the Xbox and PS3, the gameplay will be better, and I loved Wii Sports, Wii play was not bad, and brain acadamy was lots of fun.. but then I just didnt like the rest of the line up. Many of the titles on the wii imho were aimed at a certain audience, perhaps former Nintendo users, and none of their games did anything for me. I wouldnt call myself a hardcore gamer, but a serious "title" gamer, like to have some serious adult level games.

The main problem is Ive already moved on, the wii is sitting unloved and unused, and I dont think it matters if they start to bring out more hardcore games, there are more than enough coming out on my PS3 for me to not want any on the Wii due to the underpowered graphics. So when it was new and competing with the PS3 as new, it had a chance to make me buy games for it, but not any more... doubt there will be anything I would buy on it now.

nothing to do with the Wii.
just wanted to thank EG for acknowledging the outpouring of hatred for that Shaun White banner and deciding to change it.
nice one.

@ makeamazing

You should eBay it - I'm sure demand will be high and you'll get the RRP for it ;)

My thoughts, and I'll start off with a doozy (as they say across the water).

This isn't Nintendo's fault. Its the fault of gamers who bought a Wii and expected hardcore titles. There it is, sorry.


The Wii is not a shit system. But what it also is not is a hardcore system. Its not really good at doing hardcore games (by that I mean games that demand lots of graphical finess and razor sharp controls).

A typical hardcore game might be the fps (or 3rd person shooters such as Gears of War). These games tend to need two things, as I touched on above. They need massively posh graphics, or fans will freak out. They also need razor sharp controls, so that l33t levels of skill can be developed through practice.

The Wii is NOT capable of top end graphics, and it is not really capable of fine control. The buttons are the same as any other, but nobody is going to tell me the Wiimote is a fine control device. Neither the motion sensing nor the pointing is suited to fine detail input (some would say that analogue sticks are unsuited to the same task compared to a mouse, but that is a different discussion). The Wiimote is a "feel" device - it does that admirably and that is in no way a critisism. Wii sports is a lot of fun, but its not an exact science and neither should it be.


Now Nintendo are saying that they are going to focus more on hardcore games next year, but I'm not sure I fully believe them. And the reason I don't believe them is I don't think they SHOULD focus on hardcore games and more importantly I don't believe they are daft enough to do so.

Nintendo is not the same company it once was. They are making stacks of cash servicing the mainstream market, a market that many other vendors are trying to move into (because they have suddenly realised that competing for the attention of a relatively tiny number of 14-24 year old males is becoming fruitless), and they would be nuts to focus their time and resources on making games for the average Gears of War fan.


If you bought a Wii and are happy with the games it provides (some of which are fantastic) then hurrah. If you bought one expecting hardcore games and are disappointed then you have my sympathy. And if you have no intention of buying one because it doesn't have the games you want to play, try and realise that its not crap... its just not for you (and neither should it be).

So do hard-core games have to have high pixel counts? (Rhetorical) As far as I'm concerned hard-core games require a certain level of skill to complete, take time to master and can't be completed in a couple of hours over a weekend. If it's got pretty graphics it can add to the atmosphere but that doesn't make it hard-core IMHO.

@canIdoyabombsforya

"What a wanker, everyone knows the only way to game these days is on a projector, and I dont care if you have to shine it at a white wall."

Do you shout at people if they walk in front of the projector when you are gaming? Oh hang on, I forgot, there is never anybody else present is there.

is it me or are people seeing hardcore and wii in the title and then just jump to the comments without reading the article?

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn is a great game. Not to everyone's taste but certainly a hardcore challenge.

@robson_wii

Of course, we could discuss what makes a hardcore game all day. Its endless and so I tried to qualify my definition by referring to Gears of War and making some "rules". My definition seems to represent the majority view on these pages (or at least represents the way in which people mock the Wii when they say its not capable of doing hardcore games).

Its perfectly capable of games that "require a certain level of skill to complete, take time to master and can't be completed in a couple of hours over a weekend", but I'm not sure everyone (the trolls at least) think that is enough. And this recent announcement seems to suggest that Nintendo share the same definition as I am supplying.

"The Wii is not a shit system. But what it also is not is a hardcore system."

What are you talking about? By any measure whatsoever the Wii is absolutely shit. Shitty last-gen graphics and sound, shitty price, shitty games library, shitty controller, shitty online.

@kangarootoo: I think I was posting my comment at the same time you posted...the sequence is a coincidence but looks like I'm having a go. Do you think you're hard enough? ;)

I lost faith in the Wii a long time ago. I got it and launch and even back then I didn't have much hope for it. I only got it because I wanted to have the games like Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart that would be eventually coming out for it. I knew it was just gonna be a console that focused on getting 50 year old women to play. It hasn't been turned on for 6 months, and that isn't something I'm proud of.

Do you shout at people if they walk in front of the projector when you are gaming? Oh hang on, I forgot, there is never anybody else present is there.

canIdoyabombsforya obviously has no need for human contact because he has a projector, a 40" Samsung in the study, and a lush 32" in the dining room!

If he ever gets that nagging feeling of needing social interaction he can just switch each of the above to a different channel and crank the volume up and it's like there's a party in his house, and the whole cast of Emmerdale, Eastenders and The Channel 4 News are invited!

@Garulon

You are clearly mental and not to be trusted.

"Shitty last-gen graphics"
I agree, the graphics are bobbins. But really, if a game is fun, who f*cking cares what it looks like.

"and sound"
The few times I've played a Wii the sound seemed fine to me. Clearly I need to get a whole lot more pedantic about that sort of thing.

"shitty price"
You are out of your mind.

"shitty games library"
Wouldn't know about that, but I might have to agree on the whole.

"shitty controller"
The controller is fine, its just that a lot of devs don't seem to be able to use it effectively.

"shitty online"
That is probably true as well.

So, overall its actually a bit shit, a bit awesome, and mostly kind of fine. Like pretty much everything in life. Get some context fanboy.

@robson_wii

I actually wondered if my return post looked like I was having a go back. I didn't mean it to, but bare text loses some of the depth. I was just opening a discussion really.

you twat ;)

What are you talking about? By any measure whatsoever the Wii is absolutely shit. Shitty last-gen graphics and sound, shitty price, shitty games library, shitty controller, shitty online

I don't think people like you should really get to give an opinion on something. Sounds to me that you have never played it. And if you have, the chav (which i would wager you are) is not the chosen target.

Quite why you feel the need to come on here and just throwing insults at a piece of technology (sales figures don't lie) is beyond me.

No anticipation for Monster Hunter 3, HOTD: Overkill, or Fatal Frame IV - BY NINTENDO? Why didn't Cammie mention those titles? :(

It's disappointing to see that most of these experiences are ikely to be being released by other publishers. I question Nintendo's commitment to broadening the software appeal,while they aren't stepping up and spearheading, demonstrating by example, their resolve to continuing to provide new experiences for, and retain interest of the traditional games fan.
I think that De Blob, comes across as a fantastic example, of a successfully diversified game. But, again, Nintendo didn't have the slightest involvement in its creation, and the promotion was payrolled by THQ...

I like my Wii - have fun playing the games (which seemed to come out across the whole of the year rather than bunched up over the Christmas period). I tend not to worry if they are hardcore or graphically amazong, just if I enjoy as I play.

Some of the games I like to play when I'm by myself.
Some of the games I like to play when I've a few freidns and/or housemates available.
Some games are cool in both situations.

I also like my XBox360, but for slightly different reasons.

Some quality comments on this thread! When did school finish?

blurrgghhh

wii = wank

Oh lovely, something to possibly add to my collection of 5 Wii games.

Hurrah.

@Garulon "You are clearly mental and not to be trusted. "

But then you agree with me that it's shit on everything but the sound and the price? (a) The 360 Arcade is at the price the Wii should have launched at And (b) Dolby 2.1 in this day and age is not fine, if you give me that tired old hair-shirt "who cares" argument I think you should play pretty much any action game in 5.1 and tell me that it's not massively more awesome than the shitty, shitty Wii.

"Quite why you feel the need to come on here and just throwing insults at a piece of technology (sales figures don't lie) is beyond me. "

I'm not throwing insults, I'm trying to work out what measure the Wii isn't a pile of old bobbins. I'm apparently a "hardcore" gamer WTF that means (apparently owning a 360 makes you hardcore), sell me the Wii.

"I don't think people like you should really get to give an opinion on something. "

Because you're a fascist?

Another point they fall short on, from the traditional gamer/"hardcore" standpoint, is CLEARLY release dates, thanks to NOE. If you want to play the experiences, of that type of game, you're also likely fall into the category of those most annoyed by archaic region locking practices, that keep you from enjoying those games that you're most keen to play.

How apt to see the second Wii Trauma Centre being advertised to the right, as I type! :p
There's fun to be had on a Wii, but when I want to "game", I switch on a more accommodating machine.

Only Nintendo consoles i've ever owned were the NES & SNES. Apart from handhelds (DS excluded) they've all been cack since then.

dream
"Wow! What a HARDCORE GAMING FIEND you are.

And quite the proverbial cunt too :D "

Fuck off dream, I dont mind looking a cunt in response to the 'Wii doesnt do my Bravia justice' wankers.
My consoles are hidden in a pile of spagetti wiring in the cupboard, couldnt give a shit how they look.

Why are Wii waiting oh why are Wii waiting....come on sing along, you know the words!