Hardcore will "pay attention" to Wii soon

By Robert Purchese Published 18 November, 2008

Dunaway says tide will turn next year.

Nintendo US almost-boss Cammie Dunaway reckons hardcore gamers will sit up and take notice of the Wii next year, as the "breadth of offerings" will increase to cover plenty of audiences.

"Well, certainly, I feel there are titles that should make that group stand up and pay attention next year," Dunaway told MTV Multiplayer.

"If you look at something like The Conduit, that's really pushing the edge of graphic capabilities on the Wii and doing things that people didn't think were possible. And I think, one, that makes other developers stand up and take notice. And two, that makes consumers say, 'Huh. Maybe there's something to this.'"

She added: "I think that next year you're going to see the tide turn a little bit, in terms of people realising that the Wii can have something of interest for everybody.

The Conduit, incidentally, is a first-person shooter from SEGA and High Voltage, and has made headlines for boasting about how good it looks compared to most other Wii games. Launch is aimed at spring 2009.

Dunaway also went on to touch on the "sheer creativity" of SEGA's MadWorld, before explaining how she had assumed games such as Sin & Punishment and Punch-Out would "get at that action-seeking, thrill-seeking need that [the core] audience has".

But Nintendo has come under fire by consumers repeatedly in 2008 for a lack of traditional game announcements, despite repeated assertions that they're in development.

The platform holder has continued to tease us with news that Mario and Zelda teams are "hard at work" on new Wii games. When we'll hear about these projects, however, is unknown.

Meanwhile, Nintendo's Wii Music failed to make the same impression as games such as Wii Play, Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii - entering the UK All-Formats chart at 16.

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About Robert Purchese

Bertie is Eurogamer's Senior Staff Writer. When he's not hunting down news stories he's often found playing with his kids or gabbling about fantasy games and strange online worlds.

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  • Hunam #1 3 years ago

    Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

  • Fernando #2 3 years ago

    lololololol

  • Dizzy #3 3 years ago

    2009 year of the Wii confirmed!

  • Xerx3s #4 3 years ago

    Yes because the line up of this Christmas and the entire next year is just overflowing with AAA games. Oh wait.

  • LazyDan #5 3 years ago

    Nintendo can never win with the 'tards.

    People bitch and moan for 'traditional' games, then when they appear "OMG MILKING THE CASH COW ZZZZ ANOTHER MARIO ANOTHER ZELDA"

    Then when those games aren't on the horizon "OMG SHOVELWARE NO HARDCORE GAMES WTF ZZZZ NEED ANOTHER ZELDA"

    Then of course if they try anything new... "CASUAL GAME OMG ABANDONED THEIR CORE WITH THIS SHIT"

    No I'm not sticking up for Wii Music, but I am sticking up for Wii Sports.

    Then there are ace games like Excitetruck which get entirely ignored.

    Also I like how as soon as a game is released, it is apparently instantly destroyed from the memories of every gamer in the entire world. People are acting like Galaxy, Brawl and Mario Kart Wii don't exist anymore. I refuse to believe that everyone who moans about there being no Wii games has played every single AAA Wii title at all, let alone to completion.
    Edited by 2 at 18/11/08 @ 15:32

  • Vanmunt #6 3 years ago

    Then there are ace games like Excitetruck which get entirely ignored.

    you what... sorry, but come on.
    Edited by 1 at 18/11/08 @ 15:35

  • LazyDan #7 3 years ago

    I'm sure there's a better example of a forgotten Wii gem but it's been at least 2 minutes since it was released, therefore I cannot recall it and it might not even exist at all anymore, sorry.

  • mashk #8 3 years ago

    The original Halo looks better than The Conduit.

  • beckyh #9 3 years ago

    Now what do we have here... Brain training 5, Arse training, Alphabet training, Number training. How many more trainings can we all cope with?

  • groovychainsaw #10 3 years ago

    As with all my consolse purchases - 5 decent games (that I'm interested in) need to be released before I'll bite. Nintendo have yet to do that for me. I need proper games, not waggle collections, things with depth that they are not producing and don't appear to have anywhere on their schedules (The conduit, looks like a sub-par version of generic shooter on the xbox, punch out is not deep/core, sin and punishment not what I'm interested in I'm afraid). Good job the xbox, ps3 are knocking out so many great games at the moment really....

  • DoctorZoidberg #11 3 years ago

    Cynical bunch aren't we.

    You can't beat a bit of Wii Bowling in a party atmosphere.

  • gimo80 #12 3 years ago

    Well I think No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki are both excellent Wii games, plus I really enjoyed the new Wario game that just came out. I have to agree with LazyDan that a lot of people seem to forget that there are some really decent games on the Wii, however at the same time I wish I had more to look forward to.

    Super Mario Galaxy is undoubtedly one of the greatest games I have ever played, so I'm still convinced that Nintendo have the ability to create AAA titles - other games that were excellent this year were Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Kart, but to be honest, to me they didn't really feel like Wii games. They could have easily been made for the Gamecube which somewhat disappoints me. In all honesty, I would like to see Nintendo really make the effort to create a game that feels like an actual Wii game - Zack and Wiki feels really unique to the console, so it would be great if they could (somehow!) make a non gimmicky game that makes use of the Wii's capabilities. The new motion plus add on will be out next year, so hopefully this will help create better games in the process by making the gameplay more responsive.

    Ah, I dunno, let's just wait and see :S

  • kinky_mong #13 3 years ago

    Even if The Conduit does push the graphical capabilities of the Wii it will still look arse on an HDTV because Nintendo can't be bothered to make the Wii compatible.

    To be honest though I am looking forward to Madworld and Punch Out. Fingers crossed they don't turn out to be utter toilet.

  • michaelius #14 3 years ago

    Sure you can , we just need SF IV released :D

  • canIdoyabombsforya #15 3 years ago

    "Bravia and alongside my HTPC and Blu Ray player"

    What a wanker, everyone knows the only way to game these days is on a projector, and I dont care if you have to shine it at a white wall.

    Bravia HTPC LOL

  • GrumpyLlama #16 3 years ago

    My Wii is gathering dust since finishing Mario Galaxy. But I have to say that is the best game I've played in the last 2yrs on any system. Most of the other games just have crap controls. Maybe I'm just to lazy to waggle

  • Triggerhappytel #17 3 years ago

    @ LazyDan - I won't deny you have a point and I also won't deny that I criticise Nintendo for those very reasons. However, I don't think it's too much to ask to expect some completely new franchises aimed at core gamers, rather than just their traditional rehashes. Sony and Microsoft have both managed interesting new core IPs this generation, so why can't Nintendo? As much as I enjoy Zelda and Metroid, they always have to fall back into their safety net of franchises they know sell well, rather than making something new, which breeds frustration and contempt.

    And as good as The Conduit and MadWorld may look (I'm still very undecided, TBH), I don't think they're going to spark a mass shift of hardcore gamers to the console.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #18 3 years ago

    "Even if The Conduit does push the graphical capabilities of the Wii it will still look arse on an HDTV because Nintendo can't be bothered to make the Wii compatible."

    Stop buying your TVs from Aldi, and get one with a good scaler then.
    The Wii looks 'arse' maybe on my projector, but fine on the 40" Samsung in the study, and lush on the 32" in the dining room.


    Edited by 1 at 18/11/08 @ 15:52

  • SlackMaster #19 3 years ago

    If I'm honest there are nly a handful of games I can think of that are any good on the Wii. I've got Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros and No More Heroes. Apart from Mad World doesn't seem to be anything to look forward to on the Wii apart from the odd VC game.

    Seriously I've not played it now for ages, with the exception of the odd VC game, namely Castlevania 3. Not put a game disc in it for a good couple of months if not longer.

  • menage #20 3 years ago

    The what?

  • Drogul #21 3 years ago

    The wii doesn't have the horsepower to satisfy the hardcore. Better stick to the fun games.

  • robson_wii #22 3 years ago

    It's the kind of news I've been waiting for all year. Let’s hope they don't disappoint.
    @SlackMaster: Try Metroid, Zelda and De-Blob. They are all good games although first 2 are old franchises re-worked.

  • makeamazing #23 3 years ago

    I got the Wii because I thought, ignoring the fact that the graphics wont be as good as the Xbox and PS3, the gameplay will be better, and I loved Wii Sports, Wii play was not bad, and brain acadamy was lots of fun.. but then I just didnt like the rest of the line up. Many of the titles on the wii imho were aimed at a certain audience, perhaps former Nintendo users, and none of their games did anything for me. I wouldnt call myself a hardcore gamer, but a serious "title" gamer, like to have some serious adult level games.

    The main problem is Ive already moved on, the wii is sitting unloved and unused, and I dont think it matters if they start to bring out more hardcore games, there are more than enough coming out on my PS3 for me to not want any on the Wii due to the underpowered graphics. So when it was new and competing with the PS3 as new, it had a chance to make me buy games for it, but not any more... doubt there will be anything I would buy on it now.

  • doragor #24 3 years ago

    nothing to do with the Wii.
    just wanted to thank EG for acknowledging the outpouring of hatred for that Shaun White banner and deciding to change it.
    nice one.

  • Triggerhappytel #25 3 years ago

    @ makeamazing

    You should eBay it - I'm sure demand will be high and you'll get the RRP for it ;)

  • kangarootoo #26 3 years ago

    My thoughts, and I'll start off with a doozy (as they say across the water).

    This isn't Nintendo's fault. Its the fault of gamers who bought a Wii and expected hardcore titles. There it is, sorry.


    The Wii is not a shit system. But what it also is not is a hardcore system. Its not really good at doing hardcore games (by that I mean games that demand lots of graphical finess and razor sharp controls).

    A typical hardcore game might be the fps (or 3rd person shooters such as Gears of War). These games tend to need two things, as I touched on above. They need massively posh graphics, or fans will freak out. They also need razor sharp controls, so that l33t levels of skill can be developed through practice.

    The Wii is NOT capable of top end graphics, and it is not really capable of fine control. The buttons are the same as any other, but nobody is going to tell me the Wiimote is a fine control device. Neither the motion sensing nor the pointing is suited to fine detail input (some would say that analogue sticks are unsuited to the same task compared to a mouse, but that is a different discussion). The Wiimote is a "feel" device - it does that admirably and that is in no way a critisism. Wii sports is a lot of fun, but its not an exact science and neither should it be.


    Now Nintendo are saying that they are going to focus more on hardcore games next year, but I'm not sure I fully believe them. And the reason I don't believe them is I don't think they SHOULD focus on hardcore games and more importantly I don't believe they are daft enough to do so.

    Nintendo is not the same company it once was. They are making stacks of cash servicing the mainstream market, a market that many other vendors are trying to move into (because they have suddenly realised that competing for the attention of a relatively tiny number of 14-24 year old males is becoming fruitless), and they would be nuts to focus their time and resources on making games for the average Gears of War fan.


    If you bought a Wii and are happy with the games it provides (some of which are fantastic) then hurrah. If you bought one expecting hardcore games and are disappointed then you have my sympathy. And if you have no intention of buying one because it doesn't have the games you want to play, try and realise that its not crap... its just not for you (and neither should it be).

  • robson_wii #27 3 years ago

    So do hard-core games have to have high pixel counts? (Rhetorical) As far as I'm concerned hard-core games require a certain level of skill to complete, take time to master and can't be completed in a couple of hours over a weekend. If it's got pretty graphics it can add to the atmosphere but that doesn't make it hard-core IMHO.

  • kangarootoo #28 3 years ago

    @canIdoyabombsforya
    "What a wanker, everyone knows the only way to game these days is on a projector, and I dont care if you have to shine it at a white wall."

    Do you shout at people if they walk in front of the projector when you are gaming? Oh hang on, I forgot, there is never anybody else present is there.

  • gingerlink #29 3 years ago

    is it me or are people seeing hardcore and wii in the title and then just jump to the comments without reading the article?

  • tomkuryakin #30 3 years ago

    Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn is a great game. Not to everyone's taste but certainly a hardcore challenge.

  • kangarootoo #31 3 years ago

    @robson_wii

    Of course, we could discuss what makes a hardcore game all day. Its endless and so I tried to qualify my definition by referring to Gears of War and making some "rules". My definition seems to represent the majority view on these pages (or at least represents the way in which people mock the Wii when they say its not capable of doing hardcore games).

    Its perfectly capable of games that "require a certain level of skill to complete, take time to master and can't be completed in a couple of hours over a weekend", but I'm not sure everyone (the trolls at least) think that is enough. And this recent announcement seems to suggest that Nintendo share the same definition as I am supplying.

  • Garulon #32 3 years ago

    "The Wii is not a shit system. But what it also is not is a hardcore system."

    What are you talking about? By any measure whatsoever the Wii is absolutely shit. Shitty last-gen graphics and sound, shitty price, shitty games library, shitty controller, shitty online.

  • robson_wii #33 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo: I think I was posting my comment at the same time you posted...the sequence is a coincidence but looks like I'm having a go. Do you think you're hard enough? ;)

  • killyourtv #34 3 years ago

    I lost faith in the Wii a long time ago. I got it and launch and even back then I didn't have much hope for it. I only got it because I wanted to have the games like Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart that would be eventually coming out for it. I knew it was just gonna be a console that focused on getting 50 year old women to play. It hasn't been turned on for 6 months, and that isn't something I'm proud of.

  • kinky_mong #35 3 years ago

    Do you shout at people if they walk in front of the projector when you are gaming? Oh hang on, I forgot, there is never anybody else present is there.

    canIdoyabombsforya obviously has no need for human contact because he has a projector, a 40" Samsung in the study, and a lush 32" in the dining room!

    If he ever gets that nagging feeling of needing social interaction he can just switch each of the above to a different channel and crank the volume up and it's like there's a party in his house, and the whole cast of Emmerdale, Eastenders and The Channel 4 News are invited!


  • kangarootoo #36 3 years ago

    @Garulon

    You are clearly mental and not to be trusted.

    "Shitty last-gen graphics"
    I agree, the graphics are bobbins. But really, if a game is fun, who f*cking cares what it looks like.

    "and sound"
    The few times I've played a Wii the sound seemed fine to me. Clearly I need to get a whole lot more pedantic about that sort of thing.

    "shitty price"
    You are out of your mind.

    "shitty games library"
    Wouldn't know about that, but I might have to agree on the whole.

    "shitty controller"
    The controller is fine, its just that a lot of devs don't seem to be able to use it effectively.

    "shitty online"
    That is probably true as well.

    So, overall its actually a bit shit, a bit awesome, and mostly kind of fine. Like pretty much everything in life. Get some context fanboy.

  • kangarootoo #37 3 years ago

    @robson_wii

    I actually wondered if my return post looked like I was having a go back. I didn't mean it to, but bare text loses some of the depth. I was just opening a discussion really.

    you twat ;)

  • DoctorZoidberg #38 3 years ago

    What are you talking about? By any measure whatsoever the Wii is absolutely shit. Shitty last-gen graphics and sound, shitty price, shitty games library, shitty controller, shitty online

    I don't think people like you should really get to give an opinion on something. Sounds to me that you have never played it. And if you have, the chav (which i would wager you are) is not the chosen target.

    Quite why you feel the need to come on here and just throwing insults at a piece of technology (sales figures don't lie) is beyond me.

  • Machetazo #39 3 years ago

    No anticipation for Monster Hunter 3, HOTD: Overkill, or Fatal Frame IV - BY NINTENDO? Why didn't Cammie mention those titles? :(

    It's disappointing to see that most of these experiences are ikely to be being released by other publishers. I question Nintendo's commitment to broadening the software appeal,while they aren't stepping up and spearheading, demonstrating by example, their resolve to continuing to provide new experiences for, and retain interest of the traditional games fan.
    I think that De Blob, comes across as a fantastic example, of a successfully diversified game. But, again, Nintendo didn't have the slightest involvement in its creation, and the promotion was payrolled by THQ...

  • IronCladChicken #40 3 years ago

    I like my Wii - have fun playing the games (which seemed to come out across the whole of the year rather than bunched up over the Christmas period). I tend not to worry if they are hardcore or graphically amazong, just if I enjoy as I play.

    Some of the games I like to play when I'm by myself.
    Some of the games I like to play when I've a few freidns and/or housemates available.
    Some games are cool in both situations.

    I also like my XBox360, but for slightly different reasons.

  • robson_wii #41 3 years ago

    Some quality comments on this thread! When did school finish?

  • anomagnus #42 3 years ago

    blurrgghhh

    wii = wank

  • spudsbuckley #43 3 years ago

    Oh lovely, something to possibly add to my collection of 5 Wii games.

    Hurrah.

  • Garulon #44 3 years ago

    @Garulon "You are clearly mental and not to be trusted. "

    But then you agree with me that it's shit on everything but the sound and the price? (a) The 360 Arcade is at the price the Wii should have launched at And (b) Dolby 2.1 in this day and age is not fine, if you give me that tired old hair-shirt "who cares" argument I think you should play pretty much any action game in 5.1 and tell me that it's not massively more awesome than the shitty, shitty Wii.

    "Quite why you feel the need to come on here and just throwing insults at a piece of technology (sales figures don't lie) is beyond me. "

    I'm not throwing insults, I'm trying to work out what measure the Wii isn't a pile of old bobbins. I'm apparently a "hardcore" gamer WTF that means (apparently owning a 360 makes you hardcore), sell me the Wii.

  • Garulon #45 3 years ago

    "I don't think people like you should really get to give an opinion on something. "

    Because you're a fascist?

  • Machetazo #46 3 years ago

    Another point they fall short on, from the traditional gamer/"hardcore" standpoint, is CLEARLY release dates, thanks to NOE. If you want to play the experiences, of that type of game, you're also likely fall into the category of those most annoyed by archaic region locking practices, that keep you from enjoying those games that you're most keen to play.

    How apt to see the second Wii Trauma Centre being advertised to the right, as I type! :p
    There's fun to be had on a Wii, but when I want to "game", I switch on a more accommodating machine.

  • Kill_Crazy #47 3 years ago

    Only Nintendo consoles i've ever owned were the NES & SNES. Apart from handhelds (DS excluded) they've all been cack since then.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #48 3 years ago

    dream
    "Wow! What a HARDCORE GAMING FIEND you are.

    And quite the proverbial cunt too :D "

    Fuck off dream, I dont mind looking a cunt in response to the 'Wii doesnt do my Bravia justice' wankers.
    My consoles are hidden in a pile of spagetti wiring in the cupboard, couldnt give a shit how they look.

  • TriggerHippie #49 3 years ago

    Why are Wii waiting oh why are Wii waiting....come on sing along, you know the words!

  • Gnort #50 3 years ago

    From all I've read (which, admittedly, isn't a heck of a lot), the Conduit sounds like the sort of generic sci-fi shooter that would be absolutely pilloried on the PC, PS3 or 360, yet on the Wii it's touted as some sort of system seller?

  • canIdoyabombsforya #51 3 years ago

    kinky_mong
    " you shout at people if they walk in front of the projector when you are gaming? Oh hang on, I forgot, there is never anybody else present is there."

    Does your mum shout when you leave the lid of the clearsil ? Hopefully not when youve got a bedroom full of mates lol.

  • DoctorZoidberg #52 3 years ago

    "I don't think people like you should really get to give an opinion on something. "

    Because you're a fascist?

    Partly, but also because it seems clear that you can't see reason in your arguments. If you can't at least appreciate other peoples side of the toss, you have nothing of value to give.

    I accept not everyone likes the Wii, but biased hatred towards it is a little unnecessary no?

  • kangarootoo #53 3 years ago

    @Garulon

    I did say that graphics don't really matter (not to me anyway).

    "Dolby 2.1 in this day and age is not fine"

    Only to people that give a shit. I have an XB360 and a PS3, and both of them have their audio coming out of my TV's stereo speakers. I can't name a time when it really mattered. Surround sound is nice, but its far from mandatory and its absence is barely cause for concern.

    "I'm apparently a "hardcore" gamer WTF that means (apparently owning a 360 makes you hardcore)"

    Well yes, it does make you hardcore. And you shouldn't be sold a Wii, its just not the platform for you. Didn't I say that already?

  • kangarootoo #54 3 years ago

    "I don't think people like you should really get to give an opinion on something"

    Don't agree with that btw. Even mentalists should get to say what they feel ;)

  • kangarootoo #55 3 years ago

    "Does your mum shout when you leave the lid of the clearsil ? Hopefully not when youve got a bedroom full of mates lol."

    Very droll. I'm probably 10 years older than you at least. What sort of mental age would call someone a wanker for not owning a projector?

  • kangarootoo #56 3 years ago

    "Partly, but also because it seems clear that you can't see reason in your arguments."

    I agree with that bit though, whole heartedly.

  • Garulon #57 3 years ago

    Yes but according to Cammy, some generic FPS is going to twist my harcore melon somehow.

    "I can't name a time when it really mattered. Surround sound is nice, but its far from mandatory and its absence is barely cause for concern. "

    Y'see this is it not mattering to you, it matters to me because I have a 5.1 system, loads of people have a 5.1 system and they're great. I'm happy you're happy with the Wii's shittyness, but that doesn't stop it being shitty. And the worst thing is it's shitty for no good reason. I have a DS and I'm perfectly happy with it's shittyness because it's cheap and light and has an amazing battery life, but unless you're a N shareholder the Wii's shittyness ain't doing nothing for you.

  • kangarootoo #58 3 years ago

    @Garulon

    "Y'see this is it not mattering to you, it matters to me because I have a 5.1 system, loads of people have a 5.1 system and they're great. I'm happy you're happy with the Wii's shittyness, but that doesn't stop it being shitty."

    It doesn't matter to me so much because I'm not as hardcore gamer as you are. And so it should really be no surprise that a non-hardcore system such as the Wii doesn't tick all the boxes that you feel are mandatory.

    It doesn't make it shit. It just makes it different.


    "And the worst thing is it's shitty for no good reason"

    That motion sensing stuff doesn't grow on trees you know. And when the Wii first came out it was the cheapest system by far. The reason it isn't cheaper now is because people are still buying them at the current price as fast as Nintendo can make them (and you can bet MS wouldn't have price dropped the 360 if they were seeing the same customer behaviour).

    There are games you can get on the Wii that you simply can't get on the XB360. For customers who like that kind of game (I'm not one of them btw, just so you know I'm not arguing my own opinion at you), the Wii is far better than the 360. Surround sound becomes pretty pointless if the games aren't the kind of thing you enjoy playing.

    Its like calling a car shit because you can't go fishing in it. "No sir", I might say. "What you need is a f*cking rowing boat".
    Edited by 1 at 18/11/08 @ 17:11

  • kinky_mong #59 3 years ago

    kinky_mong
    " you shout at people if they walk in front of the projector when you are gaming? Oh hang on, I forgot, there is never anybody else present is there."

    Does your mum shout when you leave the lid of the clearsil ? Hopefully not when youve got a bedroom full of mates lol.

    I didn't write that bit, I did the joke about you turning all the TVs on in your cold, loveless home to make the reverberating echoes of recorded voices warm your lonely soul.

    I give your comeback 4/10. Not as good as Wii Music. Little research done into the target and fell back on a misplaced age gag.

  • kangarootoo #60 3 years ago

    Hehe. I didn't even notice the botched target.

  • wizbob #61 3 years ago

    The Conduit does look shit, I don't think anyone is arguing with that.

  • FenderMaster #62 3 years ago

    "groovychainsaw: The conduit, looks like a sub-par version of generic shooter on the xbox, punch out is not deep/core"

    my thoughts exactly...

    unless theres a treasure chest full of as yet unanounced AAA hardcore Wii games I have trouble believing the smile making machine

  • scouserfuller9 #63 3 years ago

    Seeing people repeatedtly write how Nintendo are only making games for casuals is really starting to make me sleepy. What I don't understand though is from all the messages they've put up in the past why is their Wii still in the house collecting its dust?

  • Slim #64 3 years ago

    The hardcore took notice already, with Zelda, Mario Galaxy and Metroid. They then gave up on the thing because nothing else came along.

  • smelly #65 3 years ago

    "he Conduit sounds like the sort of generic sci-fi shooter"
    "yet on the Wii it's touted as some sort of system seller?"


    Like halo 3 then?

  • Ryze #66 3 years ago

    Not bothered. My younger sisters have got a Wii, and I'm going to put one in my Mum's living room for Chrimbo, but I wont be putting one under my telly or buying more than 5 games until they belt up and sort themselves out in terms of games development.

  • MattyD #67 3 years ago

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA OH WOW

  • BartonFink #68 3 years ago

    So much lol in that article.

  • Kazzahdrane #69 3 years ago

    "I have a DS and I'm perfectly happy with it's shittyness because it's cheap and light and has an amazing battery life"

    Hate to feed the troll, but you totally broke your stride there. There is simply nothing shitty about the DS. Just because an aspect isn't the most hi-tech doesn't make it "shitty". For example: my HDTV only does 1080i - it's not shitty though, just not as good as a better model.

    I'm not going out tonight - doesn't mean my social life is shitty.

  • Nodebug #70 3 years ago

    No Nintendo, your gimmicky control system is what is driving the real games players away, although the shortage of quality games is a second.

    However when we do get to play anything decent the fucking shitty waggle stick dynamic is forcibly inserted into every game that it detracts from the actual gameplay and any precise control over the game whatsoever.

  • sneetch #71 3 years ago

    @scouserfuller9
    "Seeing people repeatedtly write how Nintendo are only making games for casuals is really starting to make me sleepy. What I don't understand though is from all the messages they've put up in the past why is their Wii still in the house collecting its dust?"

    Because hope springs eternal.

    I still own a Wii because I've never sold a console in my life, I still have my SNES, N64, Cube and Xbox as well as my Wii and 360, hell, my speccy is around someplace. I hope Nintendo will bring out more of the kind of games they used to be renowned for back in the 64/Cube days, the innovative action adventures, the new twists on "traditional" genres, that's why I bought a Wii on day one and was the second person in the queue to pick it up.

    Unfortunately, I've seen very little of that Nintendo innovation in the Wii (although SMG was fantastic), just slightly dodgy control schemes on slight evolutions of the Cube iterations of their franchises. I was surprised they didn't call it Revolution, but now I'm glad: the irony would have been too much to take. ;)

    As for whether the tide turns next year, I doubt it, I think this another Jedi mind trick attempt from Nintendo. Over here, they have nothing in the pipeline for the first and second quarters at least (I mean Nintendo themselves).

    In hindsight, I think it would have been better had they spread their A-list franchises out instead of bunching them all up at launch and then having a drought for a year or two (or three, who knows). Don't get me wrong, I was delighted to get my hands on SMG when I did but having those great games so shortly after launch just built an expectation, for me at least, that this would continue and just makes the drought that much more painful.

    On the Wii doesn't do a bravia justice thing, SMG does on mine. Looks great.

  • FogHeart #72 3 years ago

    I look at Conduit and Metroid Prime 3 screenshots and they look roughly on par graphics-wise. Metroid deserved its review score of 9. I guess you could argue that everything else about Metroid made it a great game while The Conduit will be a generic collect guns, shoot aliens clone. Well, so was Halo 3 single player - I got bored after an hour of that.

    So..."excellent gameplay plus best graphics the console can muster" makes Metroid a great game - and any console owner would agree if they played it - while "generic shooter plus the best graphics the console can muster" wouldn't sway them.

    And yet "generic shooter plus the best graphics the console can muster" was enough to make people actually buy 360s to play Halo 3. Ugh.

    Well, The Conduit's screenshots mean it has the potential to be as good as Metroid Prime 3, or it could be the Halo 3 of the Wii - as pretty as the console can get, but bland gameplay. Halo 3 fans could point out that if these guys did the game for the 360 instead they'd think better of it. As it is, by designing for a console they consider underpowered, they have to try harder on the gameplay to earn respect that they give to Halo 3. That's a bit rough.

  • RedSparrows #73 3 years ago

    Halo 3 roolz, fu haterz. etc.

  • niz #74 3 years ago

    Chronicles of Riddick on Xbox in 2004 looked far, far better than The Conduit looks now.

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  • Vin #75 3 years ago

    Stand up and pay attention? Don't be silly, Cammie.

    We'll just point and laugh, like we usually do.

  • darc #76 3 years ago

    Ridiculous. A mere 2 years late to the party. That's an entire lifespan for some consoles! What the hell have they been waiting for?? Wii: a novelty, a means of playing the GC back-catalog (although my GC was already paid for), and maybe useful for WiiFit, if we don't tire of that.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #77 3 years ago

    kangarootoo

    "Very droll. I'm probably 10 years older than you at least. What sort of mental age would call someone a wanker for not owning a projector? "

    What sort of twat takes it out of context? Try reading what the Bravia wanker said. I guess your mental age gives you the ability to scroll up and start again?

  • Xerx3s #78 3 years ago

    "Cynical bunch aren't we. "

    No, when a pr muppet claims some bull, it's perfectly acceptable to call him/her on it.

  • Xerx3s #79 3 years ago

    "Don't agree with that btw. Even mentalists should get to say what they feel ;) "

    \0/

    ARSEBUMHAT!

  • canIdoyabombsforya #80 3 years ago

    "kinky_mong
    I didn't write that bit, I did the joke about you turning all the TVs on in your cold, loveless home to make the reverberating echoes of recorded voices warm your lonely soul. "

    Oh yeah sorry. I remember you , you're the one who knows what emmerdale is, lol.
    Anyway sorry for upsetting you by owning two TVs. I thought people got over those issues in the 90s, when most of us had several monitors in the hosue and were screaming for Sony and MS to bring us VGA. BTW when youve got a portable projector you get plenty of friends no worries there, looks like the bitters here could use that little tip.

  • Max_Powers #81 3 years ago

    I had a Wii for a while but sold it a couple of days ago. I enjoyed some of the games but I couldn't see anything in the future that I wanted.

    Also, I just can't do anymore without high-def, dolby digital and proper online support.That's just me I guess.

    Oh and come on Ninty, I respect you guys but the Conduit really looks arse. Geist anyone?

  • MDL199 #82 3 years ago

    @ kangarootoo

    Absolutely without question the Wii is the most outrageously over priced console on the market today when you consider what you're getting for your money.

    The Wii should be priced at no more than £99 and even then i'm sure Nintendo would be making a tidy profit.

    In my experience the people who rave about the Wii the most are middle aged women who are traditionally rubbish at games. All fair enough but let's not anyone pretend that the Wii is a console for people who really love games - it's a novelty toy to entertain traditional non gamers in short bursts.

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  • MDL199 #84 3 years ago

    @ Tonka

    Thanks you patronising Twat!

    Appreciate it :)

  • Tonka #85 3 years ago

    No need to be rude.
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  • MDL199 #86 3 years ago

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  • smelly #87 3 years ago

    Why dont all you fanboys save you're fingers?

    WiiLol.. Nintendo is ****.. etc etc etc.

  • smelly #88 3 years ago

    "No Nintendo, your gimmicky control system is what is driving the real games players away, although the shortage of quality games is a second. "


    (looks at sales figures)

    Erm.. no.. you're wrong...

    It might be driving the "geek gamer who posts on forums" away though.. But i don't classify them as "real players"..

  • Xerx3s #89 3 years ago

    "It's fucking genius!"

    If you are a bookkeeper. If you are a gamer with my taste, not so much.

  • scouserfuller9 #90 3 years ago

    @sneetch. Well it's your problem if you're wasting money on a console you don't enjoy and can't be bothered to sell it when you can still get good money on it. Saying that I'm confident you'll see the games you'll want on the Wii over the next 12-18 months and hiding it from everyone else you and everyone else is and that's why everyone's keeping hold of their Wii's! The only thing most hardcore fans don't seem to have anymore is patients.

  • Dan234 #91 3 years ago

    Nintendo really shouldn't do interviews like this because they always end up shooting themselves in the foot (at least NOA do).

    Most of teh hardc0r3 here were probably brought into gaming by Sony and had their game preferences moulded by Sony's marketing team. There were other people already around who whinged about you lot (including me). And now the other people who were already around who are about to be pensioned off don't have the time to endlessly play games, we like dip in and out of games. And the Wii has a lot of those games, and that's another reason why it's selling.

    A lot of posters here might end up buying the successor to the Wii in a few years time even though they're busy saying now that a Wii would never fit into their gaming shrine with Dolby 5.1 and full HD TV and they're not interested in the games...

  • Fletche #92 3 years ago

    I have high hopes for '09 on the Wii as there seem to be quite a few games being revealed that look pretty good at the mo. Have to wait and see if anyone actually reviews them though, for that my hopes are not high in the slightest

  • Vandrius #93 3 years ago

    No, it won't.

  • dryden555 #94 3 years ago

    still a system not worth buying unfortunately -- not enough good games and no storage mechanism.

  • oerhoert #95 3 years ago

    <em>"As with all my consolse purchases - 5 decent games (that I'm interested in) need to be released before I'll bite. Nintendo have yet to do that for me. I need proper games, not waggle collections, things with depth [...]"</em>

    Wow. Are we still having this conversation? Have you been paying particularly little attention the last few years?

    Kororinpa, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Lostwinds, Zack & Wiki, Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Excite Truck, Mega Man 9, Okami, Resident Evil 4, Geometry Wars, No More Heroes, Metroid Prime 3, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Fire Emblem, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09, FIFA All-Play 09, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Trauma Center, Brothers in Arms, Super Smash Bros. Brawl...

    I could mention a list as least as long for the 360, and it's obviously not the best of machines for JRPGs or racers. But .... <em>please</em>. It's a matter of opinion if you like the games available, but there are <em>no question</em> the machine has a <em>lot</em> of "not waggle collections, things with depth"...

  • spookyzombie #96 3 years ago

    The Wii is a bit annoying. I'm thinking of getting rid of mine, but I'm holding off until nearer Christmas when hopefully I can get a decent trade in price for it. I'm just not seeing anything coming out in the near future that looks good, coupled with the fact that I can't get over how shit it looks graphically these days after a session on the PS3 or 360. Some Nintendo titles have enough about them to make them essential purchases, but there's not enough of them around.

  • FenderMaster #97 3 years ago

    I think that we can allagree that The Conduit isn't very graphically impreddive... Doom 3, Halo 2 and Chronicles of Riddick all looked far better back in 2004

    so four years later on a syste supposedly superior to the orgiginal XBOX, the Conduit is a bit embarrasing, especially since so much is being made about the games graphics...

    The fact that it also looks bland and generic, and has zero art direction =/= a hardcore gamer's wet dream

    Madworld is a unknown quantity, could be great, but one bland unimpressive fps and MadWorld isn't going to set the hardcore gamer's world alight!!

  • oerhoert #98 3 years ago

    Then again, those are hardly the only ones.

    I look forward to Sin and Punishment, Kororinpa 2, Another Code, Mushroom Men, Deadly Creatures, Lostwinds 2, HOTD Overkill, So Blonde, Rock Band 2, Dead Rising, Overlord, Fatal Frame 4, No More Heroes 2, Tomb Raider Underworld, MadWorld, The Conduit and of course the unannounced first-party games Nintendo's working on.

    Edit: Forgot Monster Hunter 3, Sam & Max, Captain Rainbow, Punch-Out and Pikmin 3 in the list. I'd mention Wii Sports Resort and Endless Ocean 2 as well, but then they're probably not "core" enough to make you happy, are they? :)
    Edited by 2 at 19/11/08 @ 04:47

  • smelly #99 3 years ago

    I wish people would stop interchanging the word "hardcore" to mean "360 and ps3 owners who only got into gaming a few years back and still think that fps games are REALLY ORIGINAL!"

  • mainaman #100 3 years ago

    The Wii is an ANTI-HARDCORE CONSOLE,end of story.

    Five years ago hardcore gamer meant a ''21'' Trinitron owner with little to no social life that was playing difficult game like Virtua Fighter or initially accessible games like Tekken that also let you develop crazy skills with a lot of practice.I am referencing fighter games,but this holds true for the other genres as well.

    Fast forward to 2008,the term has broader meaning.''Hardcore'' gamer MAY means a person that is not playing every day and is not very adept at his games.But he plays on a big HDTV screen with multichannel sound system and he plays games like ''Mass Effect'' that are not hard at all,but are too immersive,long and ''control-heavy'' for the casual gamers.

    The Wii games look like shit and most of them seem casual or/and kiddy.Not a lot of third party software,shocking audio-visual capabilities even at SD,outrageous pricing compared to the high-tech competition,i don't see a SINGLE reason to even begin to contemplate buying one,even for a fifty quid!

    It looks that the Wii is finally getting a deserved shit-pushing at the sales charts,may the trend continue till Nintendo realise that greediness can only get you so far.

  • merkdot #101 3 years ago

    And I think, one, that makes other developers stand up and take notice. And two, that makes consumers say, 'Huh. Maybe there's something to this.'"

    the difference between another developer 'taking notice' and actually producing a game is a process that takes at least two years.

  • Xerx3s #102 3 years ago

    "A lot of posters here might end up buying the successor to the Wii in a few years time even though they're busy saying now that a Wii would never fit into their gaming shrine with Dolby 5.1 and full HD TV and they're not interested in the games..."

    I'd like to have my horse back when you are done with it. And you're wrong, anyone with sense balances price vs personal entertainment value and with people like me that comes out negative. We do not buy because you'd like us to.

  • Xerx3s #103 3 years ago

    Yup pretty much my sentiment. With the notion that graphics are a 1/3 of the interaction process, ergo they should at least communicate the minimum amount of info needed to achieve what the developer wants to communicate.

    RS was ace though. I think that they are remaking it btw.

  • kangarootoo #104 3 years ago

    @canIdoyabombsforya
    "I guess your mental age gives you the ability to scroll up and start again?"

    Hmmmm. Perhaps it does...

    /scrolls up to start.

    Ah

    Fair enough. Apology given. :)

  • kangarootoo #105 3 years ago

    @MDL199

    "In my experience the people who rave about the Wii the most are middle aged women who are traditionally rubbish at games"

    Well middle aged women might well be amongst the Wii owning demographic, but I'm not sure what being "rubbish at games" has to do with it (or indeed what it even means).

    "it's a novelty toy to entertain traditional non gamers in short bursts."

    Err, again I think I have to respond with something along the lines of "right, so what?".


    Neither of your critisisms seem to be based on constructive comment, but rather focus on the hardcore and elitist approach of laughing at the Wii for not being hardcore enough.

    I AGREE. Its not a hardcore system. My point all along is that it is still a good system, its just not a hardcore one. Hurling insults at its user base just makes you look like a grumpy kid, tbh.

  • merkdot #106 3 years ago

    the hardcore/casual argument is just smoke and mirrors.

    the real problem is that the Wii is simply not supported with the 'decent game every couple of weeks or so' that the 360/PS3 gets. The high profile casual releases just serve to compound the misery really. If it had great shit rolling in every couple of weeks, no-one would care (see DS for an example).

  • SliderNL #107 3 years ago

    To Little to Late, Nintendo sounds like a ex-girlfriend who want to sleep with you again, but tomorrow she will sleep with the other guys.

  • Fletche #108 3 years ago

    Just don't understand why people who are happy with their console choice, (a console that provides all their hardcore wants and needs) feel they need to turn these discussions into a biggest dick competition. The Wii does fulfill some needs and will do more next year with plenty of exclusives, it makes a great second console in the same way that a DS makes a great supplement to more powerful gaming hardware.

    Used to think console loyalty and the venom that is spat on rival consoles was bad in the PS2/Xbox days but it has reached new heights with this generation and it makes no sense. The Wii is not in direct competition with the other two, it is a separate entity that was designed for a different user base and from a gaming perspective, whilst it hasn't been great in quantity, some quality titles have come out and there are more to come it seems next year.

  • merkdot #109 3 years ago

    I don't think this is always just about choice justification. Personally I'm an old-school nintendo fan who has been thoroughly disappointed by the Wii, and where better to express that than the Internet :-|

    Others might be multi-console owners who still hope that the situation improves.

  • sneetch #110 3 years ago

    @scouserfuller9
    "@sneetch. Well it's your problem if you're wasting money on a console you don't enjoy and can't be bothered to sell it when you can still get good money on it. Saying that I'm confident you'll see the games you'll want on the Wii over the next 12-18 months and hiding it from everyone else you and everyone else is and that's why everyone's keeping hold of their Wii's! The only thing most hardcore fans don't seem to have anymore is patients."

    Erm...

    /looks back over own post

    Ah right. That's what I meant when I said "hope springs eternal." That we hope we will see those games again in the future. Next time I'll put flashing lights around it and ship the post with cliff notes. ;)

    BTW It's patience, not patients: doctors have patients. Sorry about that but I've seen it a dozen times in the last week or so and it grates a little more every time, I guess I've lost patience. ;)

    I have been patient for the most part; I still have my Wii, I've never been one to simply throw in the towel. Sure, I've grumbled, I was particularly disappointed after the piss-poor showing at E3 but I'm hoping and expecting that there will be an upturn in the future. I don't think it will be 2009 however, the lead time on these projects is huge, they take more than a year or two normally, it's more likely 2010.

    @smelly
    "I wish people would stop interchanging the word "hardcore" to mean "360 and ps3 owners who only got into gaming a few years back and still think that fps games are REALLY ORIGINAL!""

    That's it, you trundle out that old favourite there. Despite the fact that it makes as little sense as ever to do it. About as much as sense as the "alternate" view here; that all current Wii games are waggle-fests that look like they were assembled by colour-blind monkeys... on acid.

    A lot of the "hardcore" - and I'd normally classify myself as "core" not "hardcore" because of a sense of the bullshit involved in calling yourself "hardcore" - don't just want FPS games. We however, also don't want mini-game compilations, we want a game with some depth. Like Zelda or Pikmin. A game of Wii sports with the family is fun, but it's no substitute to crawling through a dungeon or fighting dragons as Link, IMO.

    The Wii has a lot of good games, but I don't think Nintendo have pushed themselves in most of them, I expect more from Nintendo than I do from other developers and that's because I've seen what they can do. Is that unfair? Probably, but it's their own fault for being excellent in the past. ;)

    Edit: just to clarify, I don't think Nintendo make all the good Wii games, but I also don't think Nintendo have pushed themselves in their current iterations. Also, before anyone says it I don't just want more Zelda and Mario games but I do want more games, I'd love to see their re-imagining of Pit, for example, or new franchises.

    Edit2: You know what? BuckoA51 put it far more eloquently than I ever could, just scroll up a bit.
    Edited by 2 at 19/11/08 @ 10:52

  • Dan234 #111 3 years ago

    Xerx3s

    I'd like to have my horse back when you are done with it. And you're wrong, anyone with sense balances price vs personal entertainment value and with people like me that comes out negative. We do not buy because you'd like us to.

    No, but your priorities change. Several years back I'd have thought it were crap too.

  • kangarootoo #112 3 years ago

    "To Little to Late, Nintendo sounds like a ex-girlfriend who want to sleep with you again, but tomorrow she will sleep with the other guys."

    Jesus. Issues.

  • kangarootoo #113 3 years ago

    @merkdot

    But why be disappointed with Nintendo? Why not just buy another console instead that does give you what you want?

    Surely being a fan of something means that you like it - if you stop liking what they are doing, where is the value in being a fan?

  • merkdot #114 3 years ago

    of course I have them all, this is a videogamers website, I'd be surprised if there are many with just one console.

    but nintendo used to be incredibly consistent, you knew they had the process and the expertise to turn out great stuff regularly. You couldn't fail to at least admire the old Nintendo even if you didn't always like what they made. It's different now.

  • kinky_mong #115 3 years ago

    Oh yeah sorry. I remember you , you're the one who knows what emmerdale is, lol.

    Yes I am aware of a TV programme that is on everyday. Was that meant to be an insult? Because it's along the lines of the schoolboy "Urgh you know what My Little Pony is you must have a house full of them!"

    Anyway sorry for upsetting you by owning two TVs. I thought people got over those issues in the 90s, when most of us had several monitors in the hosue and were screaming for Sony and MS to bring us VGA.

    The issue was you were bragging about having big HDTVs and a projector as if it was some sort of penis extension achievement and I mocked you for trying to show off in a thread about Wii games.

    BTW when youve got a portable projector you get plenty of friends no worries there, looks like the bitters here could use that little tip.

    OMG I TAKE IT ALL BACK! YOU HAZ A PROJECTOR!!11!!! CAN I BE YOUR FRIEND PLEASE?! AS LONG AS I CAN WATCH YOUR PROJECTOR I CAN IGNORE WHAT AN ODIOUS SELF-AGGRANDIZING TWAT YOU ARE AND WE CAN BE BEST FRIENDS FOREVER AND EVER!!!11!!

  • two-2times #116 3 years ago

    oh please, why would i get a wii, when i have a 360 and a ps3. im not a child, i have no interest in this kids machinie. occasionly i might play mario kart with my 7 year old son, but that is./

    wii sucks, end of

  • andywilkie35 #117 3 years ago

    "BTW when youve got a portable projector you get plenty of friends no worries there, looks like the bitters here could use that little tip. "

    I'm praying to god that was a joke and you aren't actually serious when you say that

    considering I own all three consoles and have still managed to keep my gaming geekness a secret from my friends who still assume I'm the same beer swigging city boy that I am, a projector would tip them over the edge and I'd be forever known as Sir Nerdalot, aka canidoyabombsforya

  • Dan234 #118 3 years ago

    Just say it's for teh football and your reputation will remain intact.

  • kangarootoo #119 3 years ago

    "BTW when youve got a portable projector you get plenty of friends no worries there, looks like the bitters here could use that little tip"

    Did someone seriously write that? If you have a portable projector you have plenty of friends?

    Except they aren't actually friends are they, they are just people who hang around you because they like to play with your toys.

    Hollow.

  • oerhoert #120 3 years ago

    <em>but nintendo used to be incredibly consistent, you knew they had the process and the expertise to turn out great stuff regularly. You couldn't fail to at least admire the old Nintendo even if you didn't always like what they made. It's different now.</em>

    I'd say it's just like that now, Nintendo is by far the most consistent and resourceful producer of casual games. The fact that the types of games are different doesn't make the company any less "admirable", just one that may not interest you so much. Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Brain Training, Nintendogs and Wii Play are really polished efforts (haven't played Wii Music yet, but I get the impression it's the same story).

  • kangarootoo #121 3 years ago

    ^ truth

  • kangarootoo #122 3 years ago

    @seanraaron

    But surely EG are just playing to their audience. Generally speaking, Wii owners aren't interested in stuff like CoD. Whereas owners of 360s and PS3s are more likely to be interested. So as a first step, EG can be expected to review the versions that the majority of people are interested in. The Wii version is really a different beast, and so needs its own review (which EG will no doubt get to in time).

  • mainaman #123 3 years ago

    "The Wii is an ANTI-HARDCORE CONSOLE,end of story.

    Five years ago hardcore gamer meant a ''21'' Trinitron owner with little to no social life that was playing difficult game like Virtua Fighter or initially accessible games like (blah etc)"

    I disagree. Hardcore gamers are gamers that like most genres. Like hardcore film buffs love all kinds of films even those really bizarre arty type films. The hardcore are the type that buy all the consoles, play all the classic games, games that the mainstream might leave behind because of difficult controls, steep learning curve or, gasp, even shit graphics. If you're hardcore you still play Radiant Silvergun on your Saturn not go "omg this has the shit graphs gimmie my Xbox360/PS3". Who remembers Rez? Ignored by the mainstream because of it's "dodgy" wire-frame graphics but loved by the hardcore.

    "The Wii games look like shit and most of them seem casual or/and kiddy"

    Again if you were 'hardcore' you wouldn't care. Mario and Zelda have always been kiddy looking, that never put off hardcore gamers because they know how utterly stunning these games are in terms of design and playability. Pokemon, another title that's always had shit graphics and is as kiddy as candy and dolls is played by hardcore gamers. Peggle, that's as casual as jeans and trainers, but, again, loved by 'hardcore' gaming fraternity around the world.

    So, if you love COD4 and/or Gears and can complete them with one hand tied behind your back, but wouldn't touch say, Viva Pinata, then fair enough, that doesn't make you 'hardcore' (not that it is something to aspire to be of course) and it doesn't make the Wii shit or "anti-hardcore (lol)" just because it doesn't appeal to you.


    I have never claimed that the Wee doesn't have any ''hardcore'' games.As you said,it has some,albeit kiddy-looking and shitty looking.Oh,if i was ''hardcore'' i wouldn't care!And i said ''hardcore'' gamers play all genres,not only fighting games.

    I don't like just a single genre as you implied(in fact i dislike COD4 and GoW),i like games games Ninja Gaiden 2 that are both hard,but rewarding AND graphically impressive.I like simulations also,but what i am saying is that you are right that hardcore gamer is a gamer that play on all consoles,doesn't avoid ''difficult'' titles and still plays ''classics''.But this is not always the case.

    And i am right with the ''Mass Effect'' analogy,cause like i said,the term''hardcore gamer'' has got broader meaning.So i am not a hardcore gamer, because i dislike the Wee and its library?Never mind the fact that i play racing sims with a wheel and play on Live relatively regularly.And have good skills with some games.

    So,according to you,if a gamer doesn't have all three consoles and is bothered by shitty graphics and thin sound,he is not hardcore.

    Also people that play COD4 and GoW a lot can't be ''hardcore'',even if they rape for fun?

    The Wii is Anti-Hardcore not because it lacks hardcore games,but because it has too few good titles that can't satiate the appetite of the hardcore gamers,even the ones that are not bothered by the shitty graphics.So the 360 and the PS3 always get more playtime,END OF STORY.

  • darc #124 3 years ago

    "Hardcore" - don't even care what that's supposed to mean.

    Continuous stream of crappy games interspersed with bouts of none whatsoever - somewhat more of a problem.

    As for the comment that "hardcore" gamers might wind up owning the Wii's successor, it's a moot point. They might just as well own an XBox or a PS-whatever with enhanced controllers. The qualitative differences between consoles are diminishing and the point that remains is that the Wii catalog sucks.

  • electrolite #125 3 years ago

    @mainaman

    So your definition of hardcore is the TV you play on, or liking 'Mass Effect'. Sorry, can't buy that. Nonsense. Oh and putting stuff in CAPITALS doesn't make you RIGHT.

  • mainaman #126 3 years ago

    @mainaman

    So your definition of hardcore is the TV you play on, or liking 'Mass Effect'. Sorry, can't buy that. Nonsense. Oh and putting stuff in CAPITALS doesn't make you RIGHT.


    I said that you can be a ''hardcore''gamer regardless of equipment and Wii ownage,just play a lot of games and master some of them.A Zelda fan can be hardcore,a ''Mass Effect'' one also.

    I put stuff in capitals if it is fact.Tell me that the Wii has got a bigger catalogue of interesting games,hardcore or not,than the competition.




    "The Wii is Anti-Hardcore not because it lacks hardcore games,but because it has too few good titles that can't satiate the appetite of the hardcore gamers,even the ones that are not bothered by the shitty graphics.So the 360 and the PS3 always get more playtime,END OF STORY."

    Only true if you have very narrow tastes in games. CASE CLOSED.


    Narrow taste my arse!The Wii has got less genre variety and less quality genre games(i am not talking about graphics,they all look like shit) than the 360,let alone the 360 and PS3 combined.Playing a couple of platformers like Super Mario Galaxy is considered having broader tastes in games?

  • Fletche #127 3 years ago

    "I suppose her statement is more directed at the press, which doesn't seem to know what the hell to do: be fanboys or actual journalists and cover the system with the largest userbase. The fact that EG has a review of the latest Call of Duty game which compares three systems, none of which is the Wii -- despite the fact that the Wii version appears to have been competently executed -- speaks volumes."

    Add Tomb Raider and Shaun White (which is apparently the best version on any of the consoles) Some people here, even if we are a minority, want to see reviews of Wii games, we want to at least be given the option of buying the Wii version. Sometimes it feels like a Wii version hasn't even been released the way they are ignored by the online press. By all accounts the Wii COD version is very good, not that far behind the others and I am interested because of the control system as it would be nice to not have to use traditional joypad methods (one reason I bought the Wii, to try and play traditional games differently).

  • actionfitz #128 3 years ago

    "has made headlines for boasting about how good it looks compared to most other Wii games."

    isnt that like saying 'my turd smells less unpleasant than your turd!!'?
    sorry but my Wii was the least rewarding gaming purchase i've made in a long time, its a rather expensive 'under tv ornament' that rarely gets to grace my tv screen.

  • actionfitz #129 3 years ago

    @ dream
    18-Nov-08 15:40:02

    The Conduit: [link url=http://wi imedia.ign.com/wii/image/articl...
    ]http://wi imedia.ign.com/wii/image/articl...[/link]

    Stunning. Simply stunning!

    Duke Nukem on the Saturn looks better than that.

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