Halo 3 assault rifle details

By Robert Purchese Published 19 January, 2007

'I trust it like I trust my own arms.'

One of the guns you'll be doing the killing with in Halo 3 is the MA5C assault rifle, according to the Bungie website, marking the return of the weapon-type after its exclusion from Halo 2.

The MA5C's power will be somewhere between the original game's MA5B assault rifle and the BR55 Battle Rifle from Halo 2. You can also use the heavy butt of the gun as a strong melee attack, but it has no alternate fire option.

Like the recent Mongoose ATV details announcement, there are some helpful remarks to accompany the news.

"The MA5C is built like a brick outhouse with Venetian blinds. You can pound on a mike foxtrot with it like it was a sledgehammer," said one happy soldier, whilst another insisted that he trusts the weapon like he trusts his own arms.

The spring multiplayer beta is rapidly approaching, and Microsoft has previously told us to expect more ways for European gamers to participate closer to the date. So, stay tuned.

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About Robert Purchese

Bertie is Eurogamer's Senior Staff Writer. When he's not hunting down news stories he's often found playing with his kids or gabbling about fantasy games and strange online worlds. @Clert on Twitter.

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  • Vin #1 5 years ago

    BOSH.

  • Donny #2 5 years ago

    Can't wait, loved the Halo assault rifle, hated it not being in Halo 2. Who wants an SMG or Battle Rifle when you can have one of those babies.

  • JediMasterMalik #3 5 years ago

    Drip
    Drip
    Drip

    I hate this hype.

  • Steroyd #4 5 years ago

    Killzone uses an assault rifle can you post news on that to.

    Sometimes I wish the damn game was out already if it stops a bit of Halo news dripping out every week.

    Next week in Bungieland...

    /cynic mode off

  • gaijin #5 5 years ago

    how much does one trust ones own arms anyway? mine look distinctly shifty sometimes.

  • mattigan #6 5 years ago

    "You can pound on a mike foxtrot with it like it was a sledgehammer,"

    Mike Foxtrot!!!!

    Once again, the American Gung Ho cocks who seem to be doing the PR for this game are putting me off it!!!

  • Triggerhappytel #7 5 years ago

    ...On related Halo news, the word is that there's going to be 1000 polygons on each grendade the Chief carries.

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #8 5 years ago

    We might get information on a new enemy next week. It's exciting times.

  • absolutezero #9 5 years ago

    Is'nt this getting a bit silly?

    Is one gun now news as long as its about Halo? URGRGG

  • Tyronne #10 5 years ago

    wow..a virtual gun...gotta put this on my must have list now.

  • Arganoid #11 5 years ago

    I also heard that Master Chief's nostril hairs will be accurately modelled. You won't be able to see them as they're under the helmet, but you'll know they're there.

  • Steroyd #12 5 years ago

    Next week Bungie will announce in detail the scope they're putting on the Assault Rifle to use a feature in the game called Zooming in

  • Meira #13 5 years ago

    Stupid news

  • Salubrious_K #14 5 years ago

    I've heard that Master Chief's face gets revealed at the end of Halo 3 and that he looks just Michael Winner

  • lambtron #15 5 years ago

    "Killzone uses an assault rifle can you post news on that to. "

    Yeah but Killzone was shit ;).

    I agree though this micro feeding of every possible detail of the game is a little tiresome.

  • lambtron #16 5 years ago

    "I've heard that Master Chief's face gets revealed at the end of Halo 3 and that he looks just Michael Winner"

    His his last line before the credits:

    "Calm down dear its only a video game!"

  • JediMasterMalik #17 5 years ago

    @Wonga - We'e not talking about the back of a box though are we? I don;t blame Bugie really, they have the right topost whatever they feel like on their site. What I don't want is for every other gaming ste to start posting information about a single weapon from an overhyped FPS. I like Halo, alot, but this is just ridiculous.

  • thinktank #18 5 years ago

    If this news boars you lot so much, why go to the bother of, reading the article, clicking on the comments thread, and the posting a comment.

    oh right you like to bitch, carry on.

  • realworld666 Verified Lead Programmer, Fuzzy-Frog Games #19 5 years ago

    "If this news boars you lot so much, why go to the bother of, reading the article, clicking on the comments thread, and the posting a comment.

    oh right you like to bitch, carry on. "

    Was going to post a sarcastic comment about this article until I saw I'd been beaten to it. I was going to post it because I'm fed up of websites jumping on this kind of news and feeding the hype machine again. If websites stop reporting it maybe Bungee would stop it and focus on making the game half good. Oh but good games don't sell do they? Just games we're all told to buy. [/cynicism]

  • Steroyd #20 5 years ago

    Wonga:

    This isn't the back of the box this is pre-hype material that ashamedly the press is lapping up.

    I'd hate it if I was told a little update every week for games like FFXIII, MGS4 or GTA4 even though I complain of the lack of info on these games.

    1) Acknowledge said games existance at E3 (or wherever).

    2) Piss off and work on the game.

    3) Market the shit out of it a month before release.

    It's less irratable that way and it spares us knowing what's been cut from the game or possible scripts etc.

  • ruttyboy #21 5 years ago

    Poor Mike Foxtrot What's he ever done to deserve that? :(

  • Xerx3s #22 5 years ago

    Can't wait, loved the Halo assault rifle, hated it not being in Halo 2. Who wants an SMG or Battle Rifle when you can have one of those babies.

    The smg was shite indeed but I quite liked the battle rifle. If they balance the weapons enough, I can see a good assault/battle rifle combo.

    I hate this hype.

    Why? You most likely won't play the game so it bears no relevance to that and if you just skip articles like this you can completely ignore it. Also, posting in an article meant for hyping while claiming that you hate it can serve only one purpose.

    It's funny how many haters come in here to post about how lame this news is while the title was quite clear on the contents of the subject. They even take it a step further and post about how lame it is. Quite puzzling, for a game that you hate so much (you don't fool anyone), you seem quite interested in it. Oh well.

    how much does one trust ones own arms anyway? mine look distinctly shifty sometimes.

    :D

    We might get information on a new enemy next week. It's exciting times.

    Source?

    Btw, when does the beta start? I would reckon that it should reveal a lot more than this crap.

  • ruttyboy #23 5 years ago

    /sniggers at Xerx3s' self-ownage

  • Steroyd #24 5 years ago

    Xerx3s is funny.

  • JediMasterMalik #25 5 years ago

    Why? You most likely won't play the game

    Huh? What makes you say that?

    Xerx3s is funny

    +1

  • Rambaldi #26 5 years ago

    Oh do smoke a fat one please. 3 sucessive sheep with nothing to say but (in effect) +1 at someone with a valid and based opinion of Halo.

    The news, to people who care (i.e. several million worldwide) is that one of the most satisfying and intrinsic weapons of H1 is being re-born in H3.

    Get over it.

    /wonders why he is not surprised that Jedi and Steroyd are amongst the flock
    Edited by Rambaldi at 19/01/07 @ 19:43

  • JediMasterMalik #27 5 years ago

    Won't people who really care go to the Bungie site themselves though?

    And for the last time, I do not hate Halo, I do like the game, but do you think that Halo 3 deserves this type of article or hype over other big games? If so, why?

    I also posted my valid and based opinion of Halo, Xerxes said it didn't matter. Being a bit hypocritical aren't you, saying I should get over it?

    Or is it just that we said we don't care for Halo like our mothers?

  • espy #28 5 years ago

    That was awfully pathetic. Please don't do that again.

  • Steroyd #29 5 years ago

    @Rambaldi

    Surely you'd rather be surprised to have an Assault Rifle at the Halo Beta or better yet when it launches in November... than now many months from either events happening.

    It's as intriguing as Square Enix releasing news that Lightning from FFXIII's sword turns into a gun.

  • tiddles #30 5 years ago

    You can just see Eurogamer Gearing up for their 7/10 review - "it's great game but -2 for the hype" :)

  • DocTep #31 5 years ago

    In this instance i think it's news-worthy. The Assault Rifle was an iconic part of the visual design of the original game, and it was something which felt strange to be missing from the second game (a bit like taking the shoulder laser away from a Predator). For those who missed the weapon, this is good news.

    It's also probably an attempt by Bungie to show that they're listening to the fans about faults that existed with Halo 2 (admittedly those faults ran far deeper than a missing weapon graphic, but then it's not exactly easy to send out such a message about the actual game design - especially when you can't even show the game).

    Yes, there's a point in saying such news can be found on Bungie's own website. But then i doubt many people have the time to visit every single individual website for each game they have an interest in. That's the point of coming to a site which gives an over all picture of the news from the whole industry. Interesting idea about how Bungie could have not said anything and just let people find out for themselves when the beta takes place though, and they may have missed out on the chance of a nice little surprise for the fans that get to take part (but having said that, i think it would have still made the news when the beta takes place anyway).

  • L0cky #32 5 years ago

    'If this news boars you lot so much, why go to the bother of, reading the article, clicking on the comments thread, and the posting a comment. '

    Because if nobody voiced their opinions of Eurogamer's content, they'd lose touch with their readership. It's called constructive criticism.

  • Rambaldi #33 5 years ago

    "Bungie should do some work instead of throwing a party for each new polygon."

    You need to complete Halo on Legendary before spouting shite

    "It's as intriguing as Square Enix releasing news that Lightning from FFXIII's sword turns into a gun"

    Wrong. That wouldn't be interesting as combat in an RPG is, well, disconnected and dull. Combat in Halo, however, is visceral, varied and imaginative, ergo, talk of a new weapon that harks back to those of old IS worth a mention. Lest us not forget that Halo teaches us the holy grails of gaming: offline AI and online intesity.

    The fact that a weapon decision in H3 is newsworthy is not reflective of mere hype; it's reflective of it's importance.

    Any other conclusion is wildly dismissive

    Edited by Rambaldi at 19/01/07 @ 22:09

  • L0cky #34 5 years ago

    'Any other conclusion is wildly dismissive'

    oh the irony...

  • Xerx3s #35 5 years ago

    Because if nobody voiced their opinions of Eurogamer's content, they'd lose touch with their readership. It's called constructive criticism.

    Hardly. This has nothing to do with the article as these opinions get spouted up at every opportunity. Try again.
    Edited by Xerx3s at 19/01/07 @ 22:19

  • Xerx3s #36 5 years ago

    Why? You most likely won't play the game

    Huh? What makes you say that?

    Xerx3s is funny

    +1

    Well, I seriously doubt that you will ever go near it. And what is wrong with a little bit of self mockery every now and then?

  • Xerx3s #37 5 years ago

    I also posted my valid and based opinion of Halo, Xerxes said it didn't matter.

    You did? I did? oh? I must really cut down on the booze. :(

  • Rambaldi #38 5 years ago

    Nah, don't do that, just don't ADMIT the booze ;)

  • haowan #39 5 years ago

    >>We might get information on a new enemy next week. It's exciting times.

    >Source?

    LOL

  • Rambaldi #40 5 years ago

    /falls off chair forgetting to swig on beer :::)))

  • Santino #41 5 years ago

    NEWS JUST IN: Member of bungie development team just scratched his groin area, pictures and hi def video to be reported by every website on the net on monday.

  • JediMasterMalik #42 5 years ago

    @Kato - What's your definition of multiple? I would so love to know.

  • davisorle #43 5 years ago

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  • davisorle #45 5 years ago

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  • smelly #46 5 years ago

    For fear of everyone jumping on me accusing me of being a fanboy or something.

    Am I the only person in the world who DIDNT like the first 2 games and found them rather dull? If so, then I'll put my hands up and admit that i must have VERY strange taste in games!

    Before anyone starts, Im NOT be-littling the console or anything like that. I even bought a 360 2 weeks ago. Im not doing what all the xbox/playstation fanboys do every time a wii thread starts... I *am* interested in whether other people didnt like it.

    And when i say "didnt like it" i mean "people who actually played it .. didnt like it" none of this fanboy nonsense of "well it's not on the console i wank over, so therefor it must be crap"

    .. Soo.. anyone?

  • smelly #47 5 years ago

    Oh, and i dont mind them releasing news stories all the time.. It's called brand awareness.. If they just posted all news about game the week before launch, then there's no hype of getting people interested, etc etc. And lets face it, halo has ALWAYS sold on hype (And apparently because people seem to enjoy it).

    It's something nintendo needs to learn from - they're good at doing it with hardware, but not software... And like it or lump it, this level of hype IS needed to get a game to sell REALLY well.

  • skillian #48 5 years ago

    Am I the only person in the world who DIDNT like the first 2 games and found them rather dull?

    You've been at this site for years. Have you never seen a Halo comments thread before?

  • mattigan #49 5 years ago

    TBH, I'm with you smelly, after playing through both, I don't think they were worthy of the PR carpet bombing we all received.

  • Beano #50 5 years ago

    "Drip
    Drip
    Drip

    I hate this hype. "

    I agree... reporting "news" about some stupid detail like a rifle in a FPS, is simply advertising for MS - EG should know better!

  • haowan #51 5 years ago

    smelly, the very definition of trolling is going into a thread about a game (particularly one where everyone is loving in about a game) and going on about how much you don't like it. If you can't say anything nice, as Thumper says, then fuck the hell off. Nintendo has exactly nothing to do with this thread.

  • captainrentboy #52 5 years ago

    Smelly no you aren't that original in not liking the Halo series,many thousands of others don't like the games,especially number 2 from what I can gather,you only have to read some of the threads on here to see that.(And didn't you make a similar post on the topic of G.O.W? :/)
    Personally I think the Halo series excites a lot more console gamers than it does the peeps who use top end pc's for their gaming needs.I'm a console gamer through and through (Can't afford a decent pc,certainly can't afford to update it every 6 months)and getting to play a FPS like Halo on the xbox all those years back was a big deal to me,it was obviously not so much to a pc gamer who had probably seen and played 100's of titles like it before.But I thought it was all pretty revolutionary on a console,especially the A.I and maaasive levels.Same applies to Halo 2,only not so much for it's single player element but the multiplayer side of it,I'd never played an online game where so many game options were made available (And easy to do)to set yourself up with the perfect match.
    So Halo 3 is a pretty big deal for moi,if it manages to combine the good stuff from both 1&2 and also improves upon them big style it'll quite easily be my top game of '07.
    Ohhh and even after all of that Halo love,news on a new gun isn't that exciting for me neither :)

  • magicpocket #53 5 years ago

    Bungie can plan to release whatever information they please throughout the course of a PR campaign and it's up to the games journalists to report what they find interesting.

    If you are annoyed at the drip feeding campaign from Bungie/MS you should vent your anger at Eurogamer for deeming it newsworthy.

  • YourMessageHere #54 5 years ago

    @smelly:

    At the risk of being trampled by the throng of people who want to have a go at you for commenting in the comments thread without being wildly enthusiastic, I'm with you. I played through most of Halo on PC and had to uninstall it as I was too bored with it - and I'm an FPS person first and foremost. There's nothing particularly bad about it, it's well polished and visually very nice in a couple of places, it's just amazingly underwhelming, especially when you compare the reality of it with the image you get from the talking-up it gets. The "30 seconds of fun over and over again" thing is completely incomprehensible to me; I'd rather have 1 full game's worth of fun once, thanks.

    @ people having a go at smelly:

    I think smelly might be having a similar mental process as me; I look at these Halo threads and at the positivity they're greeted with, and then I think about the game as I experienced it, and I find a massive gap in understanding. I just don't get why people are so hyped about Halo. In this case, what seemed to me to be the worst, most underpowered gun in Halo seems to be being greeted with raptures on replacing the Battle Rifle, which from the specs looks a much better gun (since I've not played Halo 2 I'm going by internet-harvested info).

    I look at almost all the stories on this site, and I usually look at the comments too. I've been accused of trolling in past Halo threads because I was asking people what they saw in Halo and, like smelly, asking if anyone else felt like me. People took it as criticism/negativity; in fact, it was sheer frustrated incomprehension. Trolling, I thought, was about trying to wind people up and provoke a fight. Nothing smelly's said seems like that; your responses certainly do.

  • captainrentboy #55 5 years ago

    YourMessageHere I thought I did a good job of saying why the Halo series was a big deal to me,but I guess it wasn't good enough dammit:(
    To sum it up,I lurve me FPS games,but my pc has trouble running minesweeper.
    Edited by captainrentboy at 20/01/07 @ 14:18

  • YourMessageHere #56 5 years ago

    @captainrentboy:

    I was mostly talking about the past rather than the present. Everything you've said above makes sense to me; your post makes more sense than most people's attempts to axplain Halo to me, certainly. Obviously, Halo appreciation is 99% a console thing, but it's hardly the first FPS on a console. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Doom, Quake II, Quake III, Timesplitters, and probably some others I don't know about, all good FPS games on consoles that predate Halo. People talk about Halo's controls being better, but I don't see any significant difference myself - then again, I hate pads.

    Still, I bet your PC could run, say, Quake II; by itself a groundbreaking and fantastically fun game (yes, still; replayed it just a few weeks ago, to get the nasty taste of Quake IV out of my mind) in single and multiplayer, and with all the mods out there it's got so many possibilities.

  • captainrentboy #57 5 years ago

    Your right the majority of the games you mentioned were all class in their own way,but for me Halo seemed to be more in line with what was going on in the pc FPS market back then,rather than being just a fun lil shooter with little to no story,Halo seemed a lil more epic and exciting and not so condensed down,and like I said the A.I was considerably more challanging than most other console shooters,as was the scale of the levels and battles.
    Obviously it's aged nowadays,and looking a lil worse for wear,although I do frequently still jam Halo 2 on my 360 for some multiplayer lovliness as for me it's still unrivalled on the console field with regards to the level of customisation and ease of doing so.
    Halo 3 has it a lot more difficult though,what with the 360 being up there with some of the higher spec pcs performance wise,it's already had some of it's own pretty groovy FPS games(C.O.D 2 was another biggy for me).Halo 3 will have to do a lot to stand out from the already slightly crowded FPS genre on the next gen consoles.
    Edited by captainrentboy at 20/01/07 @ 14:51

  • haowan #58 5 years ago

    He's taken it hard, poor fellow.

  • DaveT #59 5 years ago

    "SHUT UP ABOUT FUCKING NINTENDO SMELLY, NO CUNT WANTS TO HEAR IT!

    Fuck me, the biggest bloody fanboy cheerleader in this thread is YOU. Yes, even more than "We use the Boomerang Dual Shock as instruments of back passage pleasure, therefore think Halo iz teh gy3y" JediMasterMalik and Steroyd."

    Oh, the irony.

  • Xerx3s #60 5 years ago

    Smelly: Fair enough, not all games are for everyone. There are probably games that you like and others don't.

    Halo is what got me back to console gaming and it's one of the better console games imo. But then again, I think that FF is boring as hell. Most people disagree with that. If we all liked the same stuff, this world would be a boring place.

  • JediMasterMalik #61 5 years ago

    Yes, even more than "We use the Boomerang Dual Shock as instruments of back passage pleasure, therefore think Halo iz teh gy3y" JediMasterMalik and Steroyd.

    Yup, cause that's the rotj translation of "I like Halo"

    /doesn't realise why he bothers

  • mattigan #62 5 years ago

    I thought it was a fairly straightforward question. He has played both, was not as impressed as all the reviews, hype and forum posters said he should be, and wondered if anyone felt the same way. Well I felt the same way TBH, my main gripe was that they were just too long, they went on and on and on and then just abruptly ended. I also thought that the whole superweapon concept was a bit shit TBH, I could probably think of a couple of hunderd better ways to wipe out the flood than killing every living thing in the entire galaxy, what's all that about!!!.

    And don't get me started on the whole overmind thing, sure, the super avanced culture, built the rings to monitor and study the parasite and protect the universe, BUT totally missed the giant squid sitting right under their noses that was controlling the whole thing.

    H3 does look like it's going to be very pretty though.

    /raised flame shield
    Edited by mattigan at 20/01/07 @ 18:49

  • Rambaldi #63 5 years ago

    @YourMessageHere

    You say you wonder what people see in Halo? Fair enough:

    Halo had the best AI routines that had ever been seen at that time. Single player battles were varied, dynamic and thoroughly engaging (on Legendary difficulty of course). I rarerly play a game once I've finished it but I found myself finishing Halo again, again and again. Each attempt left me with different war stories. That, coupled with a great story, re-charging shields, a limit of two weapons, strong unique characteristics in each enemy class and a fair attempt at multiplayer, warrants it's status IMO.

    Halo 2 continued the stellar single player experience but wisely altered the dynamics of the weapons and enemies just enough to make it feel fresh. Graphicaly it's hard to believe Halo and Halo 2 were developed on the same platform - the degree to which Bungie had mastered the Xbox architecture is stunning. Some people were bitter about the story, but it left me wanting more. Halo 2's multiplayer was and is the best online shooter ever crafted IMO. I've logged several thousand matches and have not once got bored with it. Since Halo 2 any other online shooter feels hollow and unfinished.

    So there you go.

    The prospect of further single player refinements, online co-op and new multiplayer experiences and dynamics in glorious HD?

    Bring it on!

    Anyone who doesn't recognise Halo's achievements simply can't like shooters that much or be that willing to persevere on their highest difficulty settings.
    Edited by Rambaldi at 20/01/07 @ 19:20

  • miiiguel #64 5 years ago

    I don't get the animosity towards this kindo of news (aka "hype";), these, IMO, when proprelly made (like Halo franchise) keeps the whole VG culture interresting and somewhat deep.

  • lambtron #65 5 years ago

    "Halo 2 continued the stellar single player experience but wisely altered the dynamics of the weapons and enemies just enough to make it feel fresh."

    Now, now Rambaldi you and I have already discussed this before in a previous thread - and you completely missed my point. Its true that they did change things around for Halo2 and I agree that this is a good thing to keep things feeling fresh. However, the simple fact is that the single player was a shadow of that in Halo1. The AI simply wasn't as good as nowhere was this so apparent as when playing on Legendary. Elites with plasma rifles that never overheated and never missed. Enemies that seemed to have 3 times the amount of shielding they did on the easier settings. To add insult to injury were you to pick up said plasma rifle it would quickly overheat if you didn't let up on the trigger. There is nothing worse than games that apply rules to the player that don't apply to the AI.

    The reason the AI was so great in Halo was that it out manoeuvred you rather than just used cheap tricks like that. Goldeneye never resorted to these cheap tricks to provide a harder challenge on the tougher difficulty settings and that predated Halo by quite a bit. I felt let down by the single player in Halo2 on legendary - it was obvious they ran out of time to balance the game and did a rush job. I don't mind getting beat by a game but I hate feeling cheated.

    Hopefully this is something they will get right for Halo3 because I really like the single player of Halo1 and even though I love playing on live I want the single player to really live up to the hype.

    Can't deny the Multiplayer is great in Halo2 though :D
    Edited by lambtron at 20/01/07 @ 21:06

  • lambtron #66 5 years ago

    "Viva Pinata could and should have been a Pokemon-style phenomenon. Knights of the Old Republic, an epic Star Wars adventure for crying out loud, should have come with a Final Fantasy-style burst of mainstream publicity. Forza should be on the tip of every wanabe tuners' tongue."

    I'm afraid I don't really see your point. Pokemon was a phenomenon before the game and that has certainly helped shift units. Forza had to take on GT which had an installed base several times bigger and is generally considered as the best selling game on said platform. Forza2 might have more of a chance because although the 360 install base is still relatively small (in comparison to a 100 million) the PS3 install base is even smaller. Star Wars games as far as I know generally sell well irrespective of quality but hardly in FF's ballpark (probably cos of the mental numbers the japanese buy). The thing is I can't see any of these franchises hitting the dizzy heights you imply with perhaps the exception of Forza.

  • miiiguel #67 5 years ago

    lambtron: those 100 milions PS2's don't represent 100 millions different homes, many broke. It is an old machine.

  • DaveT #68 5 years ago

    "But it's the anti-cheerleading that befuddles me."

    *cough*

    "at the almost total exclusion of pushing Viva Pinata."

    Seriously ill-informed. It was marketed at its target audience - Children. So unless you were avidly watching kids tv, you're less likely to see it. There was an entire tv series made to promote it FFS.

  • davisorle #69 5 years ago

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  • JediMasterMalik #70 5 years ago

    @Kato - FFXII and XIII are not sequels.

    True, I've had three PS2s die on me. I'd halve that 100million.

    lol you can't be serious. And it is well over 100 million now.

  • DaveT #71 5 years ago

    "No I don't watch kids TV, but surely there's an element of advertisng *at* adults, if not to them? They're the one's spending the money after all."

    When you're either a parent, or spend enough time with people who are, you'll understand. When you have a kid, it's impossible to avoid advertising aimed at kids, unless you entirely neglect your kids. As such, anyone with a kid will have come across Viva Pinata, and that's _before_ the kid starts asking for it because he's seen it advertised.

    The game was advertised, but since you're not part of the target audience, nor do you (I assume by the face I have to tell you this) know someone who is part of the target audience you'll have not come across the advertising campaign. And as I said, an entire TV series is damn good marketing - look how well it worked for things like He-man back in the 80s. If you should so desire, you can see two of the episodes on XBox marketplace.

  • Xerx3s #72 5 years ago

    /doesn't realise why he bothers

    I could think of some reasons.

    I could probably think of a couple of hunderd better ways to wipe out the flood than killing every living thing in the entire galaxy, what's all that about!!!.

    The storyline says that all other methods where exhausted and this was their final, end all weapon. There is also a lot more to the weapon than the games tell you but you should google for that as I seriously can't be bothered.

    As for gravemind; did it occur to you that he might have been 'build' (as that is how their intelligence come to be) after the forerunner where long gone?


    Anyone who says the Halo games are a "by-the-numbers" shooters has never finished them on Legendary. FACT!

    Bollocks. People have different tastes, simple as that. I am yet to meet a person who didn't like it on legendary irl but I'm sure that there are plenty of people. Not every game is for everyone.

    Yeah so whats your point?

    Do you even need to ask?

    However, the simple fact is that the single player was a shadow of that in Halo1. The AI simply wasn't as good as nowhere was this so apparent as when playing on Legendary.

    H2 uses a vastly improved version of the H1 ai. :/ It is clearly shown by friends hiding in doorways and peeking around corners, enemies jumping on top of things to get a better shooting position, enemies deciding to / and actually using advantage giving elements such as gun emplacements, clearly visible (simulated/cheated) team tactics with orders from the highest rank, etc. Yes, they did in fact fuck with the shielding and such but saying that the AI is worse is complete bollocks imo.

    lol you can't be serious.

    I devoured 2 ps2's but my mate is on his fifth (but then again, he is a hardcore gamer). I don't know, do sales statistics account for replacements & newly bought because of breakdown? It would be good if someone did some research in this whether it is or isn't included in sales. I think that the same could be said of the 360.

  • Steroyd #73 5 years ago

    True, I guess it's just SE milking the FF name. They've just numbered them 1,2,3,4 ect to misslead people into beleiveing they are sequels.

    Mislead who believe they're sequels?
    Each FF is linked in essence rather than being a directly linked story wise, Chocobo's, Summons, Moogles, Crystals etc.

    True, I've had three PS2s die on me. I'd halve that 100million.

    I've heard lots of people 's Xbox 360 overheat and get the red ring of death etc should I halve that 10.4 million sold to retail to?

  • kingkatt #74 5 years ago

    Funny how these articles get people so heated up. Bungie put the information on their own site for their fans. They do this every week. It's called their weekly update. And for fans of the games it is entertaining and interesting. But they don't send it out as a press release. So if the "hype machine" gets you so worked up, complain at sites like EG, and others, picking up community updates as news.

  • JediMasterMalik #75 5 years ago

    Well, no one I know has had a faulty PS2 that I know of. None of my family members, afaik, had to replace theirs.

  • Xerx3s #76 5 years ago

    Does sony auto replace all faulty machines or do you have to go to the shop and buy a new one (I had to go back to the shop but that was outside of warranty, ms just send someone to pick it up)? I guess that could give a better indication.

    As for you saying that the same should be implied for the 360, see my post above. It's simply true that they are quite faulty, but I wonder how that would be 6 to 12 months from now. But then again, I had mine replaced within 5 days without cost so I don't know if this is included in shop sales. MS defines shipment as MS (as a wholesaler) sending the machines to a shop, Pretty much rules out a service desk shipment.

  • JediMasterMalik #77 5 years ago

    Oh do shut up you pathetic little man.

  • JediMasterMalik #78 5 years ago

    Your definition of truth is ridiculously loose.

  • JediMasterMalik #79 5 years ago

    You're mistaking us for Yellowtruck and Killasouljah, you need to differentiate between Cheerleading, and not throwing a massive fit when someone high up says something stupid. It seems, that unless we think Sony is crap and hate us, we are Sony fanboys. If we want the PS3 to succeed or want one ourselves, we are Sony fanboys. Bad definitions, which are only held by fanboys themselves.

  • Xerx3s #80 5 years ago

    Your definition of truth is ridiculously loose.

    well, truth is a variable, not a given.

    /nitpicking mode off.

  • Xerx3s #81 5 years ago

    /sits fence & opens a bag of popcorn

    I don't want to provoke a fight or anything but he just called your momma a fattie. Oh, pulling hair is allowed.

  • The-Bodybuilder #82 5 years ago

    Like it or not (and many of you don't), only halo can release s news about an assault rifle in an fps, and end up with over 100 comments.

    For any other game, max would have been 16 or so comments.

  • The-Bodybuilder #83 5 years ago

    >"Your definition of truth is ridiculously loose."

    Like your bumhole after the sony exec are finished with you.

    badabom-tish
    Edited by The-Bodybuilder at 21/01/07 @ 15:49

  • Xerx3s #84 5 years ago

    \|/ The thread went that way \|/ :/

  • captainrentboy #85 5 years ago

    As this is the Halo thread,is anyone out there any clearer on what's going on with the Crackdown/Halo 3 Beta? Is it a Charlie and the chocolate factory scenario with beta keys only in certain unmarked game cases?Or are the Beta keys in every case of the initial batches of Crackdown sent out?
    I work in Game and we haven't been told shit all :/

  • miiiguel #86 5 years ago

    JediMasterMalik: I know many people that owned more than 2, I know 1 person that bought 5 (not all cause of faulty stuff, this guy wanted the new stuff that started coming in the new versions, there are 11 different PS2 up until now).
    I really don't make a big deal if an electronic product breaks, don't like it, but, some people talk about consoles like they are cars, or houses, it's a computer, it's not an investment.
    And one think intrigues me: Why do u want PS3 to succeed ? Have u played with it ? Is it worth its price ? Or it falls into that esoteric shit aka "fanboysm" ?
    Edited by miiiguel at 21/01/07 @ 17:13

  • SeesThroughAll #87 5 years ago

    WTF is going on here?

    Bungie releases info on their upcoming game, and the comments section turns into a battlefield?

    /checks website name

    Oh, OK. Carry on.

  • miiiguel #88 5 years ago

    on-topic: Sony-fundamentalists can scream as loud as they want, but Halo IP is beeing very well conducted, not only by merchandising, but also actually giving a lot of depth and overall quality to it. Halo is becoming one of the most important video games ever.
    Ola´ companheiro ;)
    Edited by miiiguel at 21/01/07 @ 17:27

  • Steroyd #89 5 years ago

    Exactly so there for are not sequels and should use a different sub title, rather than a sequence of numbers (like FF Crystal Chonicles did). Surely it would be fair to assume that say Ghostbusters 2 would be the sequel to Ghostbusters? So by numbering them in such a way it could be seen as misleading as they are not sequels in any sense of the word.

    It's the structuring in how these games are made for example instead of calling the next Final Fantasy, FFXIV, they call it FF:Journey of the cursed Crystal how on earth is the mainstream who buy these games in droves meant to distinguish whether it's the next "proper" Final Fantasy or or a Final fantasy Spin-off like FF Dirge of Cerberus, or FF: Crystal Chronicles etc.
    Similar to how Dragon Quest IX is getting a proper number on the DS rather than Dragon Quest Joker cards or whatever DQ spin-offs they made for the DS.

    Sequels per se doesn't have to be directly related storywise as long it's the same theme all round but improved/evolved, Resident Evil, GTA, Disgaea, Grandia, Doom etc even Devil May Cry is going to join the list.

    It's like if Bungie suddenly ditched Master Chief as the main character and the story concentrated on a different part of the war, even if it had the same weapons, the same expansive environment, weapons, vehicles, aliens, a guy in a suit, great online mode etc etc, it wouldn't make it any less Halo 3 from Halo 2 would it?

    Edit - BTW why would you halve units sold to *retail* due to faulty hardware? I don't think retailers check each system and send back any faulty ones do they?

    The only figures Sony gives out when they claim a milestone is shipped, which is at 110 million btw.
    I thought according to you shipped was as good as sold.
    Edited by Steroyd at 21/01/07 @ 17:28

  • miiiguel #90 5 years ago

    PS2 became a consumable product, people buy a new one if they want a cheap machine to play sub-par products (or to keep the kids quiet) if the previous break for whatever reason. It doesn't have much respect nowdays. It's old, too old.
    Edited by miiiguel at 21/01/07 @ 17:36

  • miiiguel #91 5 years ago

    Yet, don't get me wrong about PS2, but by this time we should give it an eulogy, and praise for what it achieved and gave to the community, not buying it.

  • Steroyd #92 5 years ago

    @kato

    I guess it boils down to what you define as a sequel.

  • Steroyd #93 5 years ago

    Yeah (genuine question here) was FF Crystal Chronicles a spin off? I always assumed it was a "proper" FF game (unlike Dirge ) ? IF so, what was it a spin off from?

    Oh boy

    Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles was a spin-off from the theme off the original FF that these crystals hold some power, it wasn't necessarily a traditional RPG in the Final Fantasy 1,2,3 etc sense it was more like a action RPG, where you run around in real-time and hack stuff with the main game mechanic being hooking four GBA's into a Gamecube and have 4 player Co-op.

    FF: Dirge of Cerberus is a Shooter (a bit of first and third i think) Final Fantasy based off an optional character Vincent from Final fantasy VII.

    So yeah Square Love making spin-offs from their franchises, like you have FFXII revenant wings for the DS, also Final Fantasy versus XIII which is an action RPG, Final Fantasy Crisis Core which is yet another FFVII spin off for the PSP i could be here all day, the thing is most people want the meat and potatoe, the "proper" JRPG Final Fantasy, which Square acknowledges by putting a number at the end.
    Edited by Steroyd at 21/01/07 @ 18:29

  • Xerx3s #94 5 years ago

    /off to make some more popcorn

  • JediMasterMalik #95 5 years ago

    Why do u want PS3 to succeed ? Have u played with it ? Is it worth its price ?

    I do think it is worth the price, mainly because I, personally, plan on using alot of its features. By saying I want it to succeed, is more like saying I don't want it to fail really, personally, what would be best is to have equal marketshare to all the big three, it's unlikely to happen, but it would be great for competition. I think the PS3 has alot of great games coming out, the only reason, imo people don't see it is because Sony have a habit of spitting shit out of their mouths. It's sad, because they do have a great product.

    Let's put it this way, If I was head of Sony, I wouldn't change the PS3, but I would change the way people portray the company aswell as the price tag (market it differently). Sony have done a VERY bad job of conveying the PS3 to most people, and this strangely, includes the hardcore gamers. Personally, I think all this will settle a year from now, but who knows?

    I find it strange how much you seem to hate the PS2 though, are you jealous of the "fame" it has? Or that whatever console you thought was superior didn't do aswell? My PS2 has lasted me 4 years so far, and while it's probably true that theire are millionsof broken PS2's, I certainly would not call it the norm, but the again I have no research or proof, but neither do you. We could all tell our own stories as fact and proof, but It doesn't work like that.

    Like your bumhole after the sony exec are finished with you.

    /adds to pathetic list

  • Xerx3s #96 5 years ago

    It would be ideal if all got a good market share. Competition is a good thing. The only drawback that I can see in it is that all titles become multi platform to get maximum profit and thus don't utilise the platform to it's full capacity.

    A better distribution of market share might also encourage potential new console makers to jump into the market (apple, sega, etc.) and bring all kinds of crazy new inventions to the market (history shows that newcomers usually bring new idea's with them that improves the games market as a whole).

  • smelly #97 5 years ago

    "SHUT UP ABOUT FUCKING NINTENDO SMELLY, NO CUNT WANTS TO HEAR IT! "

    Wooah.. someone needs to masturbate a bit more to let out some pent up aggression.

    Sheesh!! I was being PRO halo and the 360 dumbass.

  • smelly #98 5 years ago

    Oh.. and if you actually READ my post where i mentioned nintendo, you'll notice that I was actually SLATING their marketting, and did not mention once how "great" they are or anything.


    FFS! Get a fucking life!

  • smelly #99 5 years ago

    "Seriously man aren't you a bit old to be waging fanboy war ? "


    Yes I would be.. But Im not.

    I *TRY* to have serious discussions about games.. But end up with retarded children presuming im slagging off their beloved wank machines (just because i happen to like nintendos games.. not hardware.. games).

    For example, go back through this thread. I was TRYING to have a discussion about halo, and why people liked it.. Then all that happened was children jumping on me calling me a troll or whatever. It's all rather sad... Especailly when it's those same said children who pop up in every nintendo game thread saing "ooh, nintendo suxors, the graphics are shit", etc etc etc.


    I personally have a problem with FPS games, to me a lot of them are nothing more than an overly extended mini game dragged out over 30 hours.. A few are quite innovative, but most just resort to running around shooting things.. Which when you think about it, is nothing more than a minigame... Halo was a prime example of this. When i first played it - i was like "oooh.. purdy.. oooh.. i can jump in vehicles.. ooohhh".. then 10 mins later i was "oh, another corridor..."

    But merely stating that or asking a question about it leads the kids into believing that you are somehow "dissing" their console.. Quite sad really.
    Edited by smelly at 21/01/07 @ 20:49

  • smelly #100 5 years ago

    not at all. go back and read my words. Part of making good games is in understanding why people like certain games over others. judging by peoples response here they like halo fo4 no other reason than it being xbox exclusive.......... wink

  • smelly #101 5 years ago

    LOL! Rotj calling me a troll!! HAHAHAHAHA!

    Im PRO the xbox.. Always have been. In fact when the original came out because i was defending it when everyone was slagging it off i was called a msoft fanboy troll!

    Im very much for the xbox as it gives sony some competition.. Without it we'd be pretty much screwed as gamers and would have to pay over the odds for the underpowered (in price to power comparision with the 360), overpriced ps3.

    I *own* a 360.. But dont understand the appeal for fps games now the initial wow factor of the original doom has worn off. To me they only now seem to rely on graphics as their only selling point (a gimmick if you will)... And they are in fact nothing more than extended mini games.

    Surely games have progressed past that? Obviously not! But im interested why people keep playing these bore fests...

  • smelly #102 5 years ago

    Then again.. some people still havent progressed past this "my machines better than yours" mentality, and any discussion about an exclusive game on said machine resorts in "oh, you just are a fanboy" comments..

    Quite sad really.. I'd hoped we'd progressed past that!

    Out of interest, if halo was on both the xbox and playstation formats.. would you still think of it as a good game?

    Hmmm.. Maybe making a game as an exclusive is a good idea, logic dictates it's not a good idea as you're limiting your audience.. Hmm.. But if you have a above average game on a single format and make it show off that consoles power .. then (in the fanboys eyes) it becomes a must-have.. Thus selling more units... Hmmm..

    .. Anyone want to comment.. Yes rotj, im looking at you (if you can drag yerself away from pulling yer pud over your console long enough).

  • smelly #103 5 years ago

    "lol smelly you're crazy but I kinda like you.. "

    Tbh.. most of my posts are trying to "understand" hard core gaming mentality.. I still havent managed to get there yet.. but i will!


    "/puts on a 70s Mario vid & reaches for KY"

    The one with ron jeremy in it?

  • smelly #104 5 years ago

    Hmmm.. maybe i'll go looking for the torrent.. the princess in that was well fit! :-)

  • Steroyd #105 5 years ago

    Hmmm to your question Kato I don't know it is and it isn't FFXIII is a sequel in a way it takes from FFXII and improves/alters it with a new story etc but it's not a sequel in the sense that FFX-2 is a sequel to FFX.

    Leave me alone Kato now you've made me think about the Final Fantasy series... ooohhh. :o

  • smelly #106 5 years ago

    I loved FF7 and 8.. But after 9, i lost interest. DQ8 restored my faith into all things squaresoft though.

    Erm, what does this have to do with halo? :)

  • Steroyd #107 5 years ago

    Nothing but isn't it a nice discussion from the wankfest smelly? :)

    oh BTW Square Enix outsourced DQ8 to Level 5 they're still suckage... untill FFXII FINALLY fucking gets released here.

    You'd think Square Enix and Sony work in tandem to piss all over Europeans or something.
    Edited by Steroyd at 21/01/07 @ 22:21

  • Xerx3s #108 5 years ago

    Wooah.. someone needs to masturbate a bit more to let out some pent up aggression.

    If the whole world wanked a bit more, it wouldn't be such an up tight place.

  • Xerx3s #109 5 years ago

    LOL! Rotj calling me a troll!! HAHAHAHAHA!

    Well, you had it coming a bit. That last line could serve for no other purpose.

    judging by peoples response here they like halo fo4 no other reason than it being xbox exclusive

    Out of interest, if halo was on both the xbox and playstation formats.. would you still think of it as a good game?

    If the playstation version wouldn't drag it down in terms of graphics and get a decent controller for fps games I would say yes.

  • smelly #110 5 years ago

    If the playstation version wouldn't drag it down in terms of graphics and get a decent controller for fps games I would say yes.
    Hmmm.. But didnt halo get launched onto pc with lacklusture reception?

    Hmmm.. actually im gonna stop with this discussion now, as it's becomming obvious it's not one i can have without being called a fanboy or whatever.

    Im personally am VERY bored with FPS games.. They ARE in effect just an extended mini-game.. I dunno.. I feel like we have a great POTENTIAL medium with games, and it's being wasted with tsuff like this...

  • JediMasterMalik #111 5 years ago

    Jesus Kato, you could have put a little more intelligence in that post of yours. Guess you ran out of arguments.

  • Azazel #112 5 years ago

    156 comments? orly?

  • davisorle #113 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 20:44:35 16-04-2012

  • Carrybagma #114 5 years ago

    Microsoft imaginary weapons are better than Sony imaginary weapons.

    I just cannot imagine a 'normal' person finding this sort of information remotely interesting.

    Having an interest in gardening, I'd be far more interested in knowing the composition of the imaginary plant-life in the game. Do Halo plants photo-synthesise as they do on earth, or do imaginary alien halo nano-particle avatars turn them green? Tell us Bungie - or us imaginary gardeners will remain unsatisfied.

  • mkreku #115 5 years ago

    Wow.. the only thing a thread like this is good for is weed out the dumbest of the fanbois. rotj and davisorle, you guys need to get your tiny dicks out of your Xbox 360's. It's NOT going to blow you, no matter how much you defend it on a GEEK WEBPAGE FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

    You guys are so blatantly stupid I feel dirty for owning an Xbox.. Thanks guys.

    Oh, and the obligatory..

    BOYCOTT THE PLAYSTATION 3!

  • Diabeu #116 5 years ago

    this is silly

  • S.J.Rogers #117 5 years ago

    Is hiding under desk....

    Is it safe to come out yet..?

  • The-Bodybuilder #118 5 years ago

    >"You know what? On my mothers life I was sooo tempted to say that, but felt it best to restrain myself :-D "

    You deserve respect, for I couldn't miss out on such an opportunity. :D

  • mkreku #119 5 years ago

    And I bet Kato is one of those Internet nerds who says "lol" in real life too.

    I think you forgot the p in "ownage" or something.

  • The-Bodybuilder #120 5 years ago

    >"/adds to pathetic list "

    Your list is pathetic? And it must be hard for you to sit down.

  • Steroyd #121 5 years ago

    WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

    I don't know what came over me then...

  • Xerx3s #122 5 years ago

    Hmmm.. But didnt halo get launched onto pc with lacklusture reception?

    Maybe because the people who really wanted it (people like me) already bought an xbox to play that game?

    And while we are at it, the question you posed could also be stated as:

    "Out of interest, if halo was on both the xbox and playstation formats.. would you still think of it as a bad game?"

    Im personally am VERY bored with FPS games.. They ARE in effect just an extended mini-game.. I dunno.. I feel like we have a great POTENTIAL medium with games, and it's being wasted with tsuff like this...

    Fair nuff. Everybody has his own opinion/sentiment on things. I have the same with jrpg's, ideal medication for people who can't sleep imo.

  • Steroyd #123 5 years ago

    "Out of interest, if halo was on both the xbox and playstation formats.. would you still think of it as a bad game?"

    To me I'd still call it was overhyped like GTA:SA which is still a overhyped technical stuttering piece of SHIT of a game and it's the last time I'm getting sucked up into such public generated hype over a game ever again.

    Loved GTA: Vice City though.

    /tries to calm down.

  • Xerx3s #124 5 years ago

    lol. Oh well.

  • JediMasterMalik #125 5 years ago

    @Kato - That's an ineresting accusation. Especially considering I have never said I hate the 360, or anything to that effect. Unless you think that the world revolves around single consoles, and if you want one you must think theother one is bad. Unless you have proof I hate the 360, you're a far bigger fanboy than I.

    I have my reasons for not getting one, and they certainly don't involve hate.

  • Xerx3s #126 5 years ago

    Especially considering I have never said I hate the 360, or anything to that effect.

    Indeed you haven't. But then again, rotj never said that he hates the ps3 either iirc. Just because you chose your words more wisely, doesn't mean that you aren't one.

    I'm not saying that you are, I'm saying that your argument is flawed.

  • JediMasterMalik #127 5 years ago

    Fair enough, you do have a point. But I thought I have made my "position" very clear. You won't see me in threads about the 360 making jokes and insulting the 360 or MS. Which is more than I can say for the way fanboys act.
    Edited by JediMasterMalik at 22/01/07 @ 15:18

  • absolutezero #128 5 years ago

    The Halo community is awesome, it seems to consist mainly of children who get offended by the smallest things. Kinda like Furries.

    Perhaps thats why people choose Halo threads to troll, because its so very easy? Any slightly negative post will be branded with the mighty name of fanboy and mocked.

    180 comments for one piece of non-news. Jesus you people fail.

  • Steroyd #129 5 years ago

    Well absolutezero it actually started with a sarcastic remarks on this non-news then people were bitching about the people making sarcastic remarks on the non news.

    then I mostly skipped posts between 50 - 150 but it was some kind of wankfest in-between where I had a nice discussion with Kato on Final Fantasy numbering.

    Then i somehow ended up in a rant about that technical stuttering overhyped piece of shit that is GTA:SA.
    And now we come to you bitching about the people who bitched about the people who made this nice 180 comments post.

    Which i have now increased to 182.

  • Xerx3s #130 5 years ago

    Perhaps thats why people choose Halo threads to troll, because its so very easy? Any slightly negative post will be branded with the mighty name of fanboy and mocked.

    Ever considered that maybe the halo fans are tired of the seemingly never ending stream of complete utter bull that gets sprayed into all threads even remotely halo related?

    And who is sadder, the people that are excited about a new game in their favourite franchise or the ones the actively seek out these threads to troll them? Just because it is 'easy'.

  • absolutezero #131 5 years ago

    There are trolls throughout the internet, nearly all games get trolled in one way or another aside from furries, the hardcore Halo community are the only group that reacts in this fashion. Go take a look at the Viva Pinata review, there are people posting in that with the usual "meh" and "what is this kiddy shit?". Did you see anyone there flying of the handle and calling them fanboys and children or resorting to l33t as an insult etc etc.

    Hell, even the WoW fanbase conducts itself with more dignity.

    Don't get me wrong trolls are the lowest form of interweb user but damn don't take it so personally.

    For another example go look in the Battelfield 2142 Northern Strike comments, read the trolling and then read the replies. See a difference between those comments and what happened here?
    Edited by absolutezero at 22/01/07 @ 16:08

  • Xerx3s #132 5 years ago

    What a load of bollocks. A halo related item is the only news thingy where you know for sure that atleast 15 out of 50 comments are trolling. I am yet to find any other game that gets this much.

  • absolutezero #133 5 years ago

    A Halo related news item is the only time I ever see people rise to the trolling in such an infantile way.

    Seriously if you did'nt all jump in and squeal like kids then the trolls get bored and leave, but no everyone has to shout and whine and trade petty insults. Ignore a troll and they get bored and go irrtate someone else. Give them what they want and an arguement can continue on for as long as they can think of stupid arguements.

  • davisorle #134 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 20:44:35 16-04-2012