Guinness lists top 50 games of all time Comments by Ellie Gibson

The Chuckle Brothers piss on Edmonds.

"I was merely taking issue with Smelly's repeated trolling of anything that isn't Wii based. I've got a Wii and I play it a fair bit because it has got some great games. Just can't stand the attitude"


You REALLY are a sad twat if you think i'm "biased" against anything which isnt wii based... I just said i cant see how that game got to be in such a list (one which has been out a year tops, is hugely overrated, is pretty much a carbon copy of other games of its ilk (except with a good - for a video game - story), and hasnt exactly had time to influence anything?

Where the hell did i mention the wii? or mention other platforms? Just for complete f-wits such as yourself.. I'll re-iterate again.. I own a 360... I play on that a hell of a lot more than the wii.. and am currently spending all my gaming time on BurnoutParadise - which i'm loving. That's not to say i wont respond to complete fanboys slagging off the wii (which has become the "in thing" to do on this forum of late) - but that doesnt mean i'm the sort of arse that will slag off another machine (which is pointless).

I'm here for the GAMES.. Dont give a shit what platform they're on.. retards like you will never understand that though.

(and before you go looking for posts which "prove" i'm a wii fanboy.. yes i like mario, yes i'm a fan of nintendo games.. no i didnt like halo 3 or bioshock - no that doesnt mean i "hate" the xbox.. I also am enjoying Noby noby boy at the moment and was happy we reached the moon the other night)

sheesh.. what a twat you are.


EDIT: Typed "hear" instead of "here" while replying in a rage to that twat.

>The Chuckle Brothers piss on Edmonds.

you would say that you Chuckle brothers fanboy ;)

Take what i said about chuckle bros and edmonds.. and swap it around :-)

Just for kicks (And to bring this back onto topic while ignoring fanboy nobs like "andywilkie35"

Here's my list of games which DONT deserve to be in that list (and why)

Halo - compared to pretty every pc fps before it.. it wasnt up to much
Final Fantasy XII - I'll give you FF7.. But 12? Not on yer nelly
Super Mario 64 - Mario world or mario 3 should be in its place
Call of Duty 4 - Only if we count multiplayer.. single player was "meh"
GTA San Andreas - Vice city should be at this position, SA shouldnt be on list at all)
The Orange Box - it's a compliation not a game
Wii Sports - w..t..f
BioShock - (see above)
WarioWare Inc - no
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - Overated graphics fest
Crash Bandicoot - And not mario world?!? Are you f-ing kidding me?

Halo = most over-rated game of all time.

Wait... Resident Evil 4 at number 8? Where's Rezie 1... At 30th? Were they drunk!?

Mario World is on the list and higher up than Mario 64

>Mario World is on the list and higher up than Mario 64

whoops! :-)

okay.. mario 64 should be mario 3 then :-)

What a load of crap :)

I agree with some in that list but not the positions. List was automatic rubbish as soon as I saw the likes of PGR4 and Warioware in there. Absolute farce of a important "console gaming" list.

Still EVERYONE has THEIR OWN list of important games, of course they mean absolutely dick to me and the games I like. (well, now and and again I like my views reflected, LIKE DEAD SPACE EG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)....er sorry, anyway make your own lists people, besides Guinness is Irish...therefore stupid.....



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Ellie often makes me laugh with her articles. I've never laughed as hard as today, looking at this list. What nonsense.

Final Fantasy XII

rofl, is that a typo?

tbh if I 'collaborated' on this list I wouldn't have admitted it :p

and wtf, PC games suddenly aren't "video games"? When did that happen?

Any list of "X best video games ever" is destined to fail horribly. There's simply no way for defining what makes a "best" video game.

Plus on principal I'd refuse to pay for anything Ellie had a hand in. But that's another story.

*Throws a copy of Looking Glass' back catalogue onto the table

There's your list!

*Stomps off

Vested Interests, eh? How arch.

I just dont see how ANY recent game can be important and influential..

For example:

GTA : important & influential.. lots of games tried to copy it
Mario 64 (or the original mario platformers) : Ditto.

Bioshock.. erm....

What a pile of crap this list is. Tell me... did the people who compiled it not realise that the computer games industry dates back to the 70's? This is purely a list made by some backoffice geek to tick a box insisted on by a publishing house.

Where is Elite for example?

@kangarotoo

Hmm, I don't think I read the article when I think about it. I missed the "important" and "influential" parts. Oh well.

My two pennorth: -

1 & 2 wrong way round, but not by much
8/13/14/16/22 GTF!
12 Always unremittingly shite. Never anything else
25 Surely influence only. Otherwise, what?!
26/29/31/33/35/36/39/50 Should all be much much higher
45 Not even in the top 2000 games ever

Oh and yeah WOW??!! I've never played it and never will, but come one?!

Ahhh right, it's videogames, not Computer Applications. Fair enough.

Worst list ever.

Many of these games are not influential.

Reads more like a favourite games list than influential list. And in a most influential list you simply cannot ignore the PC and other computers. Games like Doom, Elite, Half-life, Dune...

Most of these games are less than three or four years old and apart from a few titles cannot be considered influential for this reason alone.

Terrible terrible list.

Very odd list there. Most of the choices are surprising to me, especially no1. I fail to see how mario kart was seminal. A game like gran turismo changed the racing game genre, there was nothing like it before. Mario kart was just a well made fun arcade racer, nothing really special about it though. Racing games were the same before it, the same after it.

And how did PGR4 get on that list? It had nice graphics, thats it. The older games were better in every other regard.

Taking their simple 'Games were ranked on their initial impact, lasting legacy, how fun they were to play' equation, Super Mario Bros. HAS to be number one. It sold over 40 MILLION copies (yes, bundled with NES but then Wii Sports is included); it's impact was PHENOMENAL - it kickstarted the current era of videogames, FFS! It brokered all sorts of new ideas in terms of gameplay, end-of-level-bosses, collectibles, secret pathways, etc, and was a lot of 'fun' - though how they're measuring that particular facet escapes me.

If this was Eurogamer's list of 'games we just thought of which we like' I'd be disappointed; the fact hat's it's being backed up by Guinness World Records (though what this shitty list has to do with world records I've no idea), makes it utterly farcical.

3/10 Must Try Harder

"If this was Eurogamer's list of 'games we just thought of which we like' I'd be disappointed; the fact hat's it's being backed up by Guinness World Records (though what this shitty list has to do with world records I've no idea), makes it utterly farcical."

Exactly Weezer, even if it were a list about fav games its still woefully lacking with many shocking omissions. That it may be read by thousands of non gamers and members of the general public who might think it offers any indication of the most influential and important videogames ever made is very troubling. Some of the entries stagger belief, Pro Evo 4, why, just what did it do?

A Eurogamer staffer helped compile the book? Is this the same Eurogamer that received a Guinness Book of World Records gong for 'best gaming review site'?

http://community.guinnessworldrecords.co...

Scandalous.

no half-life alollolololol

this list is nothing without half-life.

Good list, I might make me an investment. I'm not sure what FFXII is doing at number 8, though. It's hardly classic or influential compared to the games around it.

This list is nonsense
Lego SW is higher than Ico? I can't understand that

Ive read some bullshit in my time but this takes the biscuit, you are seriously telling me that these are Eurogamers top 50 most influential games of all time (regardless of format, format is irrelevant). You have got to be Facking joking, Ellie Gibson has shown her incompentence on the subject far to many times in my opinion and this is the icing on the cake, Ellie heres a tip for you brush up on your presenting skills and maybe you'll get that job on Click....For total and utter shame Eurogamer

WTF!? FFXII? Why is FFXII in that list? I really like final fantasy games and tbh i thought FF12 was pretty crap compared to some of the others. FF7 should definitely be higher in the list. I'd scrap FF12 from that list and put FF9 in there instead.

Resident Evil IV?
BioShock?
Project Gotham Racing 4?
Call of Duty 4?
Lego Star Wars Complete Saga?

A quick scan and I see only three Sega games, Sonic 2, Sega Rally Championship and Out Run 2. That's prety poor by anyones standard.

Ok I've never posted on here before to my memory, but this list has annoyed me enough to make comment. I know they are meaningless and dont effect what I think is a good game I think what winds me up is I see so many people with these IMMENSE jobs, and I just feel like they dont actually like games that much? I watch some of that OXM stuff on live sometimes and half of them just seem like Halo fanboys that came straight out of uni, it upsets me, but only because im a snob.

Anyway, here are a few games I have picked out. Not to say I hate them all, but just thought they deserved comment...

Super Mario Kart - Ok these games are good but Im getting a bit bored of the newer updates just recycling tracks from old games? Also cant completely fall in love with a racing game that has fallen into this annoying habit where it is smarter to be 2nd for 90% of the race.

Tetris - Yeah ok we get it, if you put this fairly high in a 'Best Ever' list it shows how cultured you are as its such a gamers game. I dont care how much it helped the handheld industry, or how iconic the music is, its a game where you try and fit shaped blocks together, not exactly making my dick hard.

Halo - I wouldnt mind if people just went on about the online with this, but its the fact that people seem to buy into the completely non existent story that really winds me up about this game. The first one was so fucking dull, people were too busy wanking themselves into oblivion over how real the grass looked to realise the final third of the game was literally the same thing over and over for 2 hours. One of the laziest games I have ever played from a level design perpective.

Resident Evil IV - Have they just picked this because it is the most recent one? It is brilliant, but it peaks in the first 20 minutes and never really gets back to that level of awesome. Plus the dated control system gets shown up more and more with every installment. I reckon I enjoyed this precisely 2.7 times more when I played this on the Wii just because the aiming wasn't more awkward than flicking on the bedroom light to realise you'd just fucked your sister

Final Fantasy XII - Actually quite impressed how a game can have such a complete cast of clichéd dull characters led by the least charismatic main character I can imagine, a boring clichéd story nobody could care less about, all tied together with an arbitrary skill system, and 50 hours of "go here find this then come back" missions.

Street Fighter II - OMG IT WOZ DA FIRST ONE DAT STARTED IT ALL, except there has been about 827 versions of Street Fighter II, which at least 60% of them being better than the original

Grand Theft Auto - Why pick 3 of a 4 game series? why not just pick the series as a whole? they are all the same fucking game anyway. Funny how they left the most recent one out, despite it finally bothering to have a decent, paced narrative and a half decent fucking combat system. Shame that Saints Row does GTA so much better now, mainly because it isnt wanking itself off looking into a mirror

GoldenEye - Was this really as good as everybody said? REALLY? Im not asking was it good, it was brilliant, but was it as good as everybody says it is

Gran Turismo - You could put on a rolling demo of this game and hold the pad in your hands and still have just as much excitement as actually playing the game. One of the worst. On a sidenote it really fucked me off they were pretentious enough to release a fucking Prologue to GT5. A prologue. FOR A FUCKING RACING GAME. I could almost tolerate it if they released a FFXIII Prologue, or a Metal Gear 4: Epilogue. I could almost stomach that, releasing a small narrtive based expansion for a game famed for how story driven it was. Not for a fucking racing game that has the temerity to disckstroke itself into a frenzy about the realism and then not even have damage moddelling. Just fuck off

Pro Evolution Soccer 4 - Well what they have done here is just picked a completely fucking random installment of this game to try and make it sound like they've made this really informed choice. Please

Lego Star Wars Complete Saga - Refreshingly well done spin on 2 different franchises yes, best game ever? no

Wii Sports -What the fuck? seriously what the fuck. Bowling just about the only palatable game on there and I got bored of that before the disk was even all the way inserted into the console

Guitar Hero - Yeah ok it started it all but lets face it, there have been better versions now?

Project Gotham Racing 4 - Probably the worst of all the PGRs (actually 3 was gash wasnt it?) and not a touch on MSR.

Super Mario Galaxy - Everybody would have you think this reinvented platforming. It didnt, it just showed it from a different camera angle. Solid 8/10 game. Next

Crash Bandicoot - This game was complete gash, even at the time. I've played Game and Watch titles with more to it than this shit

ALSO, haha

To me there is something cheap about putting 3 games or so from one series in a top 50 list, especially when I don't feel like they all stood out so much individually that you would just HAVE to include them to have a respectable list. I mean if I was trying to make a top 50 albums list or something, id really try not to have the same band in there twice, I think id rather just chose the album I think most summed that band up. Maybe that's not the right way to do it but that's just me.

I mean they've only picked 50 games out of all the games EVER, but have picked 5 Mario games (6 if you include WarioWare), 3 GTA, 3 Zelda, 2 Final Fantasy and 2 Resident Evil, so 15/16 of all the games on that list come from 5 different franchises, just smacks of laziness really

If Eurogamer's task was to alienate its audience and make us all believe they know nothing about videogames... looks like job fucking done.

Think it's a bit crazy to not include all formats! It makes the book's title misleading. For my money the top 10 should look a bit like this. But WTFAI :)

1. Pong
2. Space Invaders
3. Tetris
4. Pacman
5. Doom
6. GTA III
7. Super Mario 64
8. Outrun
9. World of Warcraft
10. The Sims

Worth noting that this is a "most influential" list, rather than a "best games" list - so some of the arguments here are attacking it for the wrong reason.

That said, there's no denying that it's an awful, awful list. Sure there's opinions on things, but for a game to be "influential" it has to actual influence gaming and many of those game simply have not (by virtue of either being too new (and thus their effect is not yet known) or because they are at the end of the natural curve, not the beginning).

Edit: RES posting above me is much, *much* closer to an "influential" list (even if I don't 100% agree with it ;)).

@danmackers

What games do you actually like? That is one long sob story up there.

Mario Galaxy - a solid 8/10, ha ha GTF. It's one of the best designed games ever, with a fantastic soundtrack, and brilliant controls. Just sheer class. Easy 10.

Awww, shucks. Cheers jglover4 :)

Agree with your point about games being 'influential'. The games should either define an origin, evolution or golden age of game type.

If I could be ersed to list 50, then Asteriods would be in there representing the radial shoot-em-ups. Also Elite would get a mention.

But I guess a balance has to be struck somewhere because the true origins/influence of some game types would lie in the obscurist of titles. Rendering such a list accurate, but possibly meaningless to the casual reader or non-game anorak.

This is possibly why the Guiness list is how it is.

That is one depressing list.

Actually, that's bollocks in the last paragraph of what I've written above^^

An accurate list should be paramount, as a non-game anorak wouldn't buy a a book called Guiness World Records: Gamer's Edition ^_^

The list is what it is: Not particularly enlightening, due to intentional omissions.

MattDamon, I like all kinds of games, even some of the ones I moaned about. Not sure comparing what I like to the list I made would make the points about them any more or less valid, but then I also dont think Mario Galaxy is "one of the best designed games ever" when it really is a above average platformer with a new camera perspective that sometimes results in clumsy controls. For what its worth I must point out to you that A) I put in the 8/10 in there for artistic license to bluntly say "Everybody thinks this game is perfect but it isnt" as really I find point scores in games, especially a 1-10 scale completely arbitrary. Also B) even if I was genuinely using a 10 scale, 8 would still make it a remarkably good game, people seem to think the positive side of a 10 scale starts at 7 half the time.

I mean for example Mafia is one of my favourite games ever because the mission design was brilliant and the story was well told and immersive, but I could still sit there and slate it for blocky animation, sometimes frustrating AI, especially friendly AI, lack of headshot detection and a few other things? I just wanted to put an alternative out there to people dickriding the same old games. I refuse to believe someone could call themselves a genuine fan of gaming and then still be able to wholeheartedly disagree that say GT5 really suffers from lack of damage modelling or that Halo has a weak story. Agreeing to these things and enjoying the game anyway aren't mutually exclusive

Where the hell is 'Magic Land Dizzy'?

Pretty good list. I do agree with for instant Shenmue fans that it is a game worthy of the list(from a gamers point of view), but ask a regular casual gamer who only buys 2-5 games a year and hears mostly about games through TV and friends what Shenmue is and 90% will have no idea.

@danmackers (Mario Galaxy a 8/10)

I had to post again i thought that was so funny. Do you not realize that it has a rating of 97 on metacritic.com, putting it in position 6-13 of highest rated games ever with the other 97´s.

And that it has sold almost 8 million copies, which puts it in #46 of the best selling games of all time.

Decent list, except no Metroid Prime (the first one obviously)

what on earth does sales have to do with anything? the Need for Speed series is one of the best ever by that logic. Dont really get what places like Gamespot and IGN thought about the game are supposed to do to make me change my mind? You're still allowed to think its brilliant if you want (hint if you have not understood this yet, I ALSO THINK IT IS A GREAT GAME) I was just pointing out some alternate takes. Posted my opinions because I thought it might spark some interesting debate amongst like minded people, not being told I was wrong because of metacritic, haha

I also refer you back to my second post about using the score to make a point and then explaining in quite some detail how I find scores for games, especially 1-10 scores quite arbitrary. What if I had said "Solid 9/10 game" would you not have mentioned it? what is the massive gulf between an 8 and a 9?

I'm just glad Little Big Planet wasn't at the top of it...

Odd list. Some highly credible choices mixed in with some bonkers ones.