Guinness lists top 50 games of all time Comments by Ellie Gibson

Pretty good list. I approve.

Please note it's clearly a list of VIDEOGAMES (ie console) and that's why there's no PC stuff.

Fantastic list! But Lego Star Wars? Starfox 64? I guess its all down to opinion but a great list nevertheless!

Lego Batman is better than Lego Star Wars.

At first glance it looks ok, but I disagree. All time and they mostly seem to be modern. Where's all the classics? Monkey Island? Battlezone? System Shock 2? They don't even have Warcraft of any iteration. Pff!

Lego Starwars!?!?! Come off it!

Where is Shenmue?

lists are subjective - but theres too many 'good but not great' titles in it.

surely the sims (replace with chosen game) should of been in there or something etc

I think it's a list of VIDEOgames as opposed to computer games so it doesn't have any pc-exclusive titles (or amiga/c64/spectrum exclusive titles come to that)

Missing a a lot of PC Games. What about the LucasArts Adventures or many PC RPGs or RTS games? Other than that it's pretty solid, one bonus point for sneaking Outrun 2 in.

FFXII above FFVII......what in blue hell have these guys been smoking!!!

FFXII? Why?

top 50 most important and influential videogames of all time.

Now I have absolutely no interest in World of Warcraft but even I know a game that has millions of subscribed users, episodes of popular cartoons basing whole episodes around it, and daily mentions in the mainstream press should probably be considered in the top 50 important and influential games.

My big hairy baby makers have more credability than this list!

I'll say it again, it's a list of video games, world of warcraft is technically a computer game. If there was a 360 port of WoW then I'm sure it would be up there.

That's why there's no Doom, Quake, Command & Conquer etc...

As with all of these kinds of lists, there's an awful lot to disagree with. In my case, putting Halo at number 6 is laughable. I think even Halo-lovers will be able to come up with 10 games head and shoulders above Halo, but kudos for the list including Ico somewhere. :)

A very good list actually with the exception of Street Fighter II but then I only got the chance to play it for the first time recently and so fail to see what all the fuss was about. Oblivion would be much higher for me though, definitely top five, and Banjo-Kazooie would be in there (one of my all-time favourite games).

Super Mario Kart at number one... hmmm... that would languish somewhere near the bottom of my top games list as it's another game I've only played in the last five years so I can't view it through rose-tinted spectacles any more than I can SF II! ;)

Nice to see under-appreciated gems like PGR 4 and OutRun 2 in there too, although I'm surprised to see FFXII above FFVII.

- Dune II - the game that launched the RTS genre? The forerunner to Red Alert series/Supreme Commander etc?
- Civilisation - any of them. Please? How the hell can that not be included?
- Populous - the original god game?
- The Sims - probably the best selling series of all time - not my cup of tea - but surely worth inclusion!
- Total War Series - Any of them? Completely redefined/recreated the war game!
- World of Warcraft - Surely those 11 million people stumping up a tenner a month aint playing some useless piece of crap.
- Championship/Football Manager - FFS this series of games has been cited in divorce cases. Huge and loyal following how can it not be in there?
- Secret of Monkey Island (or other LucasArts efforts) - Goddamn I am getting annoyed now.

It seems the creators of this list have never played a PC game in their lives and particularly never any game that involved 'strategic' rather than 'twitch' skills!

Hang them all now!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

:p

Since when was The Orange Box a game. I've got that and it has Half Life 2 and Portal and Team Fortress but I can't seem to find a game called Orange Box.

I wonder if the 'astonishingly good' Guinness list of greatest pop music contains any compilations. Best album of all time, 'Now That's What I Call the 80's!'

its a pretty crappy idea to make a distinction between home computers (computer games) and consoles (videogames) it just makes no sense because they ane one and the same...this list should include games released on computer, hell its got arcade machines in it, of which a few are PC based....

also all new consoles are just a PC in a nice box anyway. stupid.list.

The list is rubbish - not least of all because Mario fucking Kart is no. 1.

Good to see someone acknowledging that Super Mario Kart is the best version. All the more recent versions have been poor shadows of it's glory.

Top 50 'Console' Games of All Time i guess?

No RTS's, 2 Western RPG (Found on consoles), no God Games....

Bah, apart from Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger and Advance Wars (All Japanese strategy games) and KOTOR & Oblivion everything is arcadey.

Where are Populous, Dune, Starcraft, Baldur's Gate, The Sims, World Of Warcraft, Total War Series, Civilisation?

And where are ANY games from the 8 bit era which all laid the foundations for this list which seems to start in the late 90's.

What about Elite, Grand Prix or Manic Miner?

What about Pong or Gravity Wars, they had a bigger lasting legacy than any of these.

Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Galaxy & Super Mario 64, ffs, how on earth can they ALL be in the list, they are the same game updated using refinements of the current generation.


Stupid list.....

Must....Care....Less.....

@nightstorm101

Exactly where the fuck is Shenmue? GOAT by far.

What a crap list... no Half-Life?!

Seriously ?? Where is Beyond Good & Evil ? Prince of Persia SOT in all of this ....... and Come on FF12 ranked higher than FF7 ???

the list is a fucking joke, nothing from origin->looking glass->ion storm->irrational school of games, the definitive most influential set of games the industry has ever seen most notably deus ex.

how the fuck can you get away with a list like this without half life in it? what were you's smoking? no doom? worst of all not a single RTS!

but ellie, all is not bad, you have that gig on the bbc site now, I've seen you ... twice

All my favourites are in there, I would change the order but otherwise good list.

This list is all wrong

and if one you idiots at Eurogamer contributed to it god help us.

How can you write a publication such as this website and tell me Resident Evil IV is more influential than Resident Evil? WTF has it influnenced since it's release?

Bioshock should be System Shock 2

Super Mario 64 is not even in the top ten even though it influenced many designers to imitate it in their own 3D iterations

Where are the RTS games?

Lego Fucking Star Wars why is that so high?

Why is Final Fantasy XII above Final Fantasy VII?

The problem here is there is gamers who born before the advent of gaming and gamers who were born when games were freely available on multiple formats. I like to call them "the Playstation generation"

Clarity is needed on what this list is about

If your talking about the top 50 most influential games. This list is all wrong

But if you talking about the the most fun games to play based on lasting appeal. Then most entries are correct, bar some odd entries such as bioshock. You tell me who is still playing that game

Having 2 criteria, one of which is highly subjective, certainly gave the crack team of exerts a lot of maneuvering room. If they would have wanted some responsibility, they would have made 2 separate lists instead and would have a had a comprehensive list of importance criteria. But that would have been hard.

No Doom but Lego Star Wars is there????

Dune 2, Doom and Quake? LOL great list . .

Was the entire field of experts under 20 years old? Hardly anything from the early consoles in that list.

I demand a recount for Psycho Fox :)

I think if you filter it through a "console games" lens, then it's not a bad list. Certainly in terms of influence and all that it's seriously lacking early computer games (or indeed things like, y'know, Pong, or Asteroids, or friggin' Space War...). But on the whole I reckon it's an alright list.

Lack of Guybrush and Gordon is still shitty, though.

The list either needs to be best or most influential, trying some stupid hybrid of the two is just silly.

Yes console games rather than wider Computing games inc all the classical games. People do love to hate Halo like its cool to do, its did have a big impact at the time and introduced quite a few neat features.

Also its introduced the franchise and was singlularly important to MS and Xbox console, Killzone tried to emulate it but fallen on it face at the time and now i m glad to be able to get my hands today on the sequel!

What! No Fatal Inertia! This book is clearly a joke. Norris McWhirter will be spinning in his grave.

Ok - it only creeps in at 50 but.... OUTRUN 2

Am I missing something?

Pretty meh list.

what can i say that hasn't already been said? maybe then to reiterate: the omission of FFVII from the "most important and influential videogames of all time" is poor. And excluding WoW on the grounds of the appalling perception that PC games aren't videogames is BS. with the numerous MMOs heading to the more commercially viable consoles, it's clear WoW is the most influential videogame of recent times.

edit. lol. need to check my eye sight! completely missed FFVII!

What everyone said !

Few things in there that clearly should be - and a lot more that shouldnt
And lots that should that isnt.

Shouldnd SPACE INVADERS or GALAXIAN (or whatever) be there ? Pretty influential I suspect. And with the current trend of dual stick shooters I rather suspect ROBOTRON should be there too - at the very least Smash TV...

And wheres PACMAN for that matter!!!

Looks to me a lot more like a list of someones favorite games

Shouldn't Grand Theft Auto have III at the end, as I can't understand the original being on the list, despite it being a fantastic game.

My only complaint is Shenmue isn't on the list... fools!

Three GTA titles in the top 50?

FFXII and FFVII being that way round is just odd. In a Top 50 of 'important and influential' videogames as opposed to a look at the quality it's hard to agree with that. Similarly RE4/RE1.

That being said arguing this list is one of the most pointless things I can imagine doing.

Tetris and no Pac Man ?

But, funnier than the list are the video-games elders who dig to bash everything.

They also eliminated arcade games, I think.

I don't know exactly how their thinking went... Eliminating PC and arcade games from an all-time list seems arbitrary. Why just "videogames"?

Also, the list is wrong straight off the bat. There is no videogame more important and influential than Tetris. There are several games that could go above it in a list that includes all games, but as videogames go, it's number 1, no two ways about it.

Final Fantasy XII, lol!

At least with Call of Duty 4 I can agree that it will prove influential and important in due time, but Final Fantasy XII? And Oblivion? Why not Morrowind, at least?

yuck

Yes, funnier than a bunch of experts being collectively retarded is a bunch of amateurs being able to criticize them on the Internet.

Ellie puts her name to that list? What the hell is Bore'oshock in there for?

I'm pretty sure the box colour was added in ;-)

some choices are rather dubious, mario kart as #1?

where's afterburner? donkey kong? international karate? hmmm not to mention Gran Turismo (though is more of a simulation i guess).

wait, no mortal kombat?!?!?

it is good, but like all lists it's flawed by opinion...