GTA IV delayed

By Games Industry.biz Published 3 August, 2007

And call off Christmas.

Take-Two has confirmed that Grand Theft Auto IV has been pushed back from its original October 2007 release date into fiscal 2008, GamesIndustry.biz reports.

"Obviously, we are very disappointed to reduce guidance after having previously reaffirmed it," said Take-Two's CEO Ben Feder. "Other than a matter of timing, the movement of Grand Theft Auto IV does not compromise Take-Two in any way."

"We are in sound financial condition and have a great product line-up. Grand Theft Auto IV is going to be the defining next generation videogame action adventure."

The company revised its fiscal year guidance, ending October 31, 2007, anticipating revenue in the range of USD 950 million to USD 1 billion, with a net loss per share in the range of USD 1.25 to USD 1.35, excluding stock-based compensation expense of USD 0.25 per share and excluding approximately USD 0.61 per share of charges related to the Company's reorganisation expenses.

Other than announcing the game was now planned for release in Q2 of fiscal 2008, which begins on February 1, no specific revised release date for GTA IV was given.

UPDATE: In a conference call, Take-Two's Strauss Zelnick spoke of the challenge involved with working on two relatively new platforms simultaneously, stating that the "delay was essential to ensure the quality of GTA IV."

"We owe it to our millions of fans, to our dedicated development team, and to our shareholders to make sure that Grand Theft Auto IV is a groundbreaking gaming experience and is an experience that takes maximum advantage of next-generation technology."

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  • BBIAJ #1 5 years ago

    Like it wasn't to be expected!

  • Jonathan_Fakenham #2 5 years ago

    GODDAMMIT!

  • Agent_Llama #3 5 years ago

    As long as it means it's not as dull as San Andreas...

  • joeking #4 5 years ago

    /sets trap

    Probably need the extra time to bring the PS3 version up to scratch! ;)

    /runs

  • Agent_Llama #5 5 years ago

    Oh come on, 5 minutes and no takers?
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 00:43

  • jaluuk #6 5 years ago

    Perhaps Yakov Smirnoff can't finish the fantastically annoying Russian dialogue until then.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 00:55

  • DrunKao #7 5 years ago

    Holy Shit

  • NickyJo #8 5 years ago

    PS3 always holding back progress, if PS3 multi platform games didn't take twice as long to make , and the developers weren't Scottish twats we might have seen this game in 2007.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 00:58

  • Razz #9 5 years ago

    At least MP3 and Galaxy are still coming out this year. :))

  • dave06 #10 5 years ago

    nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo

  • dave06 #11 5 years ago

    oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #12 5 years ago

    "seeing as eurogamer are still up whats new on Nintendo VC tonight??"

    Shinobi III, Dynammite Heady and Shining Force from the land of Megadrive and Drop Off from TurboGrafx-16.

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #13 5 years ago

    And amazingly, despite those two typos, I'm not actually drunk. Disaster.

  • DjFlex52 #14 5 years ago

    hmmm...maybe it's cause Bioshock got a 10/10 in xbox mag UK ;)

  • dave06 #15 5 years ago

    oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo

  • Yossarian #16 5 years ago

    I'm not really surprised

  • Yossarian #17 5 years ago

    hugs@Mugwum

  • Fernando #18 5 years ago

    wow. was so not expecting this

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #19 5 years ago

    I for one am one for all.

  • Shirow #20 5 years ago

    Damn! This was the first dated ps3-release I was looking forward to. Guess I'll have to keep playing virtua fighter 5 for a bit longer then (which happens to my one and only ps3 title thus far...)
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 01:59

  • Vin #21 5 years ago

    Couldn't give a gash. Lots of good shit to catch up on - Bioshock and Mass Effect are also gonna tide me over for a while.

  • Vandrius #22 5 years ago

    Oh, noes, Microsofts "Perfect Storm" (in a teacup) is brokenssss!

  • Shirow #23 5 years ago

    @Vin

    Good point! It's nice we ps3-owners have other things like those games to look forward to! uhm, wait...

  • GuitarWolf #24 5 years ago

    As long as Mass Effect doesn't get delayed, christmas is still safe.

  • Yossarian #25 5 years ago

    Mass Effect has already had 18 months or so of delays

    they have to release it sometime

  • Dr_Rofl #26 5 years ago

    Im glad this is delayed. Bioshock, Ace Combat, Blue Dragon, Lost Odessey, Halo 3, Mass Effect, UT3 and Half Life 2 Orange Box will have me covered. Not to forget PGR4 and Call of Duty 4. Damn too many games... I bet theres more but i've forgotton...

  • Ryze #27 5 years ago

    Oh well...

    /waits for Assassin's Creed...

    /taps foot

  • vegard #28 5 years ago

    with so many great games coming this fall, this really doesn't bother me much. i'd rather have rockstar finish the game than do a driv3r:)

  • L0cky #29 5 years ago

    fall? oO

  • 3william56 #30 5 years ago

    /sets trap
    "Probably need the extra time to bring the PS3 version up to scratch!"

    Nah, it's to develop a new uber compression system to squeeze Liberty City onto a paltry little DVD so they can still have a day/night cycle.
    /runs away laughing with cheese.

    Financial 08? Is that January, or July?

    Probably good news - there's enough AAA games for both consoles coming at the end of this year. This way they can target the summer games drought, and clean up. Time to polish the Polish (accent).

  • Fernando #31 5 years ago

    [link url=http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-36 0-problems-delay-gta-iv.html
    ]http://ww w.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-...[/link]

    lol
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 05:06

  • wilesy #32 5 years ago

    Explains why Rockstar have been working late all this week....

  • MyPointIs #33 5 years ago

    And now we start with the stories ...

    ... that was because PS3 is hard to code for.

    ... that was because it wont fit on a 360 DVD.

    ... had a troubled development, so it will be shit anyways.

    ... I knew this would happen because last video looked choppy.

    ... I´m all MEH about GTA (and that´s why I´m quick to post here!)


    Well, I´m happy other devs will now have a chance at christmas :)
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 06:19

  • citizenHUNTER #34 5 years ago

    It's annoying for sure but at that time next year will probably be the only game worth getting and everyone can really get its claws into it, plus clearly it'll be a far more polished affair by then than some people were believing it might be if released soon, overall I'm happy with this. Plus there are a handful or rather tasty looking games out in the coming months to more than fill the void this leaves.

    Good on Rockstar for being brave to push it back, but they've done the right thing. Now, bring on Bioshock, Halo 3, Call Of Duty 4, (possibly for me, not sure) Mass Effect and PGR4, I'm kinda bored of Forza already. LOVE it, but bored :(

  • spongebob #35 5 years ago

    As long as it's worth the wait. That sums up my thoughts, although the sooner the better is also among my favourite sayings :)

    My prediction for the delay: Take Two wants to ensure that GTA IV passes smoothly all the censors so they're taking a long and hard look at the game. At the same time they're giving the developers more time to polish the game, especially on PS3.

    My theory bodes well with the Bully X360/Wii announcement. I am sure that conversion is partly damage control and safe-playing from Rockstar. Although, you don't make conversions in a few months (Manhunt 2 scandal started just a month ago, I think), the release window for the ports AND the delay of GTA IV (plus the inadverted delay of MH2) puts Bully on the front. And at the very least, they should be able to release that game without getting censors on their back.

  • Avaloner #36 5 years ago

    Good news overall, considering the number of must have games coming on the 360. Gives me some breathing space.

  • DDevil #37 5 years ago

    I'd rather it was delayed than shit or buggy (not that this doesn't guarantee it'll be all 3 now).

    There's plenty to keep us going in the meantime, well on the Xbox 360 anyway (I kid, I kid!)

  • DrunKao #38 5 years ago

    Amirite?

  • Fernando #39 5 years ago

    True, but Wii fans might say SMG, i donno, maybe..

  • Scimarad #40 5 years ago

    Good. Quality rather than haste;-)

  • DUFFMAN5 #41 5 years ago

    poxy arse biscuits. Do any feckin games get put out on time. I had three pre-orders lined up, all have been delayed, what is the point of release dates!
    That means I will have even more time to get totally pissed off trying to get all the achievements on Crackdown (bloody hard to do)

  • Verwandlung #42 5 years ago

    "reduce guidance"


    What the hell does he think he is, a psychiatrist?

  • slave23d #43 5 years ago

    nickyjo=twat yes I am scottish.

  • captainrentboy #44 5 years ago

    Ohh for fuck sake, now I'll have to ring up dozens and dozens of pre order customers to tell them it's delayed, and as your average gamer is rather dense, 80% will then hold a grudge against me, because hey, didn't you know? When a game gets delayed it's actually a Game sales assistant's fault that it happened.
    Yes, people are that thick.
    And personally, with regards to the delay, I couldn't give a poop... Now if Halo 3 was delayed, it would be a different story, there would actuall be tears of fury.

  • Les #45 5 years ago

    I especially like the ridiculous "I'm glad for the delay"-type of nonsense posted around here... :)

    Personally, I can't care less for GTA IV. San Andreas destroyed any love I might have felt for the franchise. Until I see some reviews I don't believe the hype.

  • Lilleprinsen #46 5 years ago

    what is it about game developers and deadlines?
    stupid wankers obviously don´t know the meaning of the word deadline.
    work harder!

  • mkreku #47 5 years ago

    Damn those DVD's!!

  • DUFFMAN5 #48 5 years ago

    Lilleprinsen,
    Amen to that!

  • Triggerhappytel #49 5 years ago

    I am a little surprised at this (even though recent videos have looked a little shonky, but they rarely miss release dates at R* North), but I'm sure no-one will mind that they're delaying it to make sure it's up to standard.

  • S.J.Rogers #50 5 years ago

    That's 2 bits of bad news for a Friday morning...

    GTA 4 delayed and the Russians claiming the North Pole, that was going to be my Ice world...!

    All hale the Ice King..!!!!!

    Bugger..!

  • Steroyd #51 5 years ago

    I don't know what's more funny GTA's first ever delay because it's multiplatform, what happens to MS's Moneyhatted episodic conent, or MS trying so hard to associate themselves with the franchise for this christmas (Our perfect storm lolilollol).

    Good anyway I've heard the technical problems the game was running at i.e framerate, draw distance at E3 were reminiscent of the PS2 versions I definately wouldn't have touched the game if that was the case leave that shit on the PS2.

  • evild_edd #52 5 years ago

    Hmmm... the "twitchy" videos (according to some) and rumours of unstable frame-rates suggested this might happen.

    Two thoughts:

    1. So much for Microsofts perfect christmas (those who saw their press conference will know what I mean)... 2004 may still retain its title.
    2. One less quality title for the PS3 this year... and there weren't that many to start with!!!! :p

  • Fab4 #53 5 years ago

    Doesnt really bother me...CoD4 will more than cover in its absence :)

  • captainrentboy #54 5 years ago

    You're right Steroyd, that's fucking hysterical......
    I bet with that sense of humour you're a right hit with the laaadies.

  • S.J.Rogers #55 5 years ago

    I said.....

    All hale the Ice King..!!!!!

  • Steroyd #56 5 years ago

    This will benefit Sony.

    Providing it all goes to plan Sony can look forward to and will probably market a Killzone, MGS and GTA new year stimulating PS3 sales after christmas it will be interesting.

    And the PS3 has games this christmas damnit all it is, is riddled with new IP's or should I say the Xbox 360 only has HALO this Christmas?

  • lambtron #57 5 years ago

    haha Steroyd - you are assuming KZ2 and MGS won't be massively delayed ;)

  • Les #58 5 years ago

    "You're right Steroyd, that's fucking hysterical......
    I bet with that sense of humour you're a right hit with the laaadies."

    What, are people only allowed to make fun of Sony? I'd thought you better than that... :(

  • menage #59 5 years ago

    "This will benefit Sony.

    Providing it all goes to plan Sony can look forward to and will probably market a Killzone, MGS and GTA new year stimulating PS3 sales after christmas it will be interesting.

    And the PS3 has games this christmas damnit all it is, is riddled with new IP's or should I say the Xbox 360 only has HALO this Christmas?"

    Seems strong, but I do find it a bit of a stupid thought MS won't have a killer line-up as well. Alan Wake, Banjo, Mass Effect 2 (I'll bet you a beer), Cry-On, Too Human, priobably 10 new IP's, Halo Wars. etc.

    It's good to be a gamer (not if you like GTA though:p)

  • bushwod #60 5 years ago

    "The company revised its fiscal year guidance, ending October 31, 2007, anticipating revenue in the range of USD 950 million to USD 1 billion, with a net loss per share in the range of USD 1.25 to USD 1.35, excluding stock-based compensation expense of USD 0.25 per share and excluding approximately USD 0.61 per share of charges related to the Company's reorganisation expenses."

    ehhh????

  • Artemis_Matsas #61 5 years ago

    On other news: Duke Nukem Forever gets delayed again.

    Oh well...

  • mkreku #62 5 years ago

    Seriously, whoever believes Alan Wake will be out this Christmas needs a serious reality check. It's being made by Remedy. REMEDY!

    Alan Wake in 2009!

  • SomaticSense #63 5 years ago

    "Financial 08? Is that January, or July?"

    No sooner than April pretty much, as that's when the fiscal (financial) year starts. It's horrible having to wait, but what can you do....


    Oh, and for those mentioning Mass Effect, I'll be massively surprised if we get it this year. Translations + Bioware + RPG + US November release + Xmas = PAL Mass Effect 2008 release. Not certain, but all the evidence points to it. Hope not though.

    So as far as I'm concerned, this year it's all about Bioshock, HL2: Orange Box, Jericho, and Halo 3 (maybe). I was planning on GTA breaking up the FPS sausage fest.....

  • afghan_jones #64 5 years ago

    boooo. and also hissss.

    curses and double curses.

    oh well, not like there wont be anything else out this christmas for me to play.

  • Fernando #65 5 years ago

    Too Human

    people still have faith in this? im expecting Lair type scores for this.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 09:09

  • SBfistfun #66 5 years ago

    "delay was essential to ensure the quality of GTA IV."

    hmm never stopped them in the past from releasing GTA titles full of bugs

  • king_ghidra #67 5 years ago

    "Financial 08? Is that January, or July?"

    "No sooner than April pretty much, as that's when the fiscal (financial) year starts. It's horrible having to wait, but what can you do.... "

    Umm...The financial year varies depending on the country and organisation. Take Two's FY07 finishes in Oct this year. Thus FY08 starts in Nov. So if they're saying second quarter FY08 then that would be Feb onwards.

  • moggsy #68 5 years ago

    Very disappointed by this news. This was my personal favourite out of all the games to be released in the run up to xmas. Give me more time to play Halo I suppose...

  • StormRider #69 5 years ago

    actually I wouldn't mind the delay if they make a brilliant game out of it, rather than releasing a buggy game just to please the masses.

    LOL - maybe Microsoft will delay Halo 3 til Nov or Xmas - just to iron out the bugs.

    In my mind, release dates are all superficial. Remember Half Life 2?

    It's a case of: it's finished when it's finished.

    Plenty of good games to play anyway.

  • Eighthours #70 5 years ago

    Terrible news.

    But, bizarrely, even though MS was most likely to benefit more from the release of GTA in October, Sony will suffer more from the delay since it blows a bigger hole in their lineup. With Lair and Heavenly Sword allegedly not being "all that", the removal of GTA is very bad for them.

  • Steroyd #71 5 years ago

    haha Steroyd - you are assuming KZ2 and MGS won't be massively delayed ;)

    I covered my bases I said "if all goes to plan", Sony's new year could go tits up like MS's christmas, can't deny the GTA pendulum has swung in Sony's favour moreso.

    Seems strong, but I do find it a bit of a stupid thought MS won't have a killer line-up as well. Alan Wake, Banjo, Mass Effect 2 (I'll bet you a beer), Cry-On, Too Human, priobably 10 new IP's, Halo Wars. etc.

    Talking about established titles, just like the GTA, Halo combo that will sell systems (okay Killzone may still be a dark horse but it's still an established franchise), the only games i'd lob in that list would be Banjo (if it's still got the sex appeal after being out of circulation for so long) and probably Mass Effect 2 if the first one is a blockbuster hit this christmas.

    New IP's can bomba much more than an established franchise, so for me to say confidently that Sony will come out on top with a Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted combo is as ludicrous as saying Bioshock and Mass Effect will take over Christmas, because they're all unknown quantities.
    Edited by 2 at 03/08/07 @ 09:37

  • Xerx3s #72 5 years ago


    [link url=http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-36 0-problems-delay-gta-iv.html
    ]http://ww w.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-...[/link]

    lol


    Tjesus. Where the fuck do these puffbags come from? Is there a factory on the intarwebby that roles them out by the thousands?

  • kincaide #73 5 years ago

    So the big winner this xmas is Nintendo then?

  • Steroyd #74 5 years ago

    Nintendo was always the winner it was just this christmas MS had the chance to delay the inevitable.

  • Sebo #75 5 years ago

    Don't want to seem like a nervous nelly, but surely this is absolutely devastating for PS3?? What else have they got this Christmas??

    Less so Xbox 360, cus there is still Halo 3 and a few others.

    But I smell another Wii Christmas, big time!!!!

  • Xerx3s #76 5 years ago

    I don't know what's more funny GTA's first ever delay because it's multiplatform, what happens to MS's Moneyhatted episodic conent, or MS trying so hard to associate themselves with the franchise for this christmas (Our perfect storm lolilollol).

    I dunno. I'm too busy playing all those AAA titles by then.

  • Steroyd #77 5 years ago

    Aw come on I find it amusing about MS was shouting from the rooftops that GTA IV is coming to Xbox 360 the same time as PS3, the perfect storm, paying for the episodic content etc etc.... then this happens.

    I don't get it, people make fun of Sony's marketing. :(

  • alpha-0ne #78 5 years ago

    Dam looks like ill have to make do with bioshock, halo3, drakes fortune and mass effect :-)

    "I don't know what's more funny GTA's first ever delay because it's multiplatform, what happens to MS's Moneyhatted episodic conent"

    Well 2K confirms it makes no difference th eepisodic content is still Xbox360 exclusive it just means the slow months in next summer will now be more busy to to 360 owners getiing the GTA content
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 09:51

  • Sebo #79 5 years ago

    This is actually great. At first I was dissappointed because I wanted at least one game to get truly stuck into on my Playstation 3.

    But now that I see it as meaning more and more success for Nintendo, it's great!!!!!

  • speedjack #80 5 years ago

    Anyone with a 360 upset by this should look at the raft of other AAA titles out before year end ? In my case this frees up time and money to play Mass Effect.

    Proper balanced released schedule FTW !!!

  • Tomo #81 5 years ago

    ;_;

  • SomaticSense #82 5 years ago

    "http://ww w.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-..."

    Wow, way to arseume. Personally I getting sick to fucking death of all this console war bullshit, purely because of "lets pull facts out of my arse" dickhead fanboys like this. It was a mixture of complete lies and baseless assumptions. How the hell he knows any of that I just don't know, as for all he knows it could be because of the PS3.....

    king_ghidra: "Umm...The financial year varies depending on the country and organisation. Take Two's FY07 finishes in Oct this year. Thus FY08 starts in Nov. So if they're saying second quarter FY08 then that would be Feb onwards."

    My last employer's fiscal year was April, and I just assumed it was the same for everywhere. I admit I know fuck all about business practices though....

    I'm glad I'm wrong though :)
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 09:54

  • Les #83 5 years ago

    "I don't get it, people make fun of Sony's marketing. :( "

    You forgot? Sony is EVIL. ;)

  • alpha-0ne #84 5 years ago

    @speedjack

    You are right even if i only buy 360 exclusive titles like bioshock, halo3, mass effect, Naruto, lost odyssey and PGR4 ill be very busy ...

    But there are also a ton of cross platofrm titles aswell like assasins creed, brothers in arms, army of two, crysis, kane and lynch, mercenaries 2, medal of honour
    and many many more

    there are still far too many titles this year

  • SEVQA #85 5 years ago

    I think Rockstar should take as long as they need to make the game that will be the proof to the gaming community and beyond that they can make the best games around.

    Especially after having their latest effort banned by the fascists who seem to be worryingly rising to the surface (yet again!)

  • Steroyd #86 5 years ago

    You forgot? Sony is EVIL. ;)

    Oh yeah it's only funny when Sony loses an exclusive.

    So what was the impression of that Fatal Inertia demo.

  • Sebo #87 5 years ago

    alpha-One - not on PS3 there aint.

    Cross party stuff is fine, and for those who do have a PS3 it won't be too much of a drought, there's the Pro Evos and the Smackdowns etc.

    But, even with GTAIV being multi-platform, I think it was Sony's only real system seller this Christmas. It's heritage charts it as a PS2 franchise and the release of GTAIV would probably have spurred many PS2 fanboys to make the upgrade.

    Now the Sony loyal who haven't upgraded to the new machine must be finding it much much harder not to go for a 360 or Wii.

  • Dr.Mott #88 5 years ago

    I bet ukrebellion and ukresistance would get on great.

  • MoGamer2006 #89 5 years ago

    Why do I suspect this delay is more about waiting for the PS3's installed base to pick up rather than giving the game more polish?

    If PS3 had rocked the block like everyone thought it would, I'm sure the original release date would've been met.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #90 5 years ago

    Anyone would think one was set up as a direct response to the other...

    (ukrebellion and ukresistance, that is. Damn you, intervening poster for spoiling the flow of my sarcastic response!)
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:17

  • BadBoyBonner #91 5 years ago

    Clearly it would have been a massive feather in the Sony cap to be able to release GTA on the PS3 and it not come out on the 360 this year.

    That has not happened. The GTA franchise shifted loads of PS2's and was never synonymous with it selling Xbox.

    Surely then, the bigger impact is against Sony. As soon as MS got wind of the PS3 being lead platform in Rockstar’s development , the simultaneous release clause was no doubt writ' large on the contract.

    As a side note - I can not understand [from a technical point of view] why most companies are not adopting the PS3 as lead platform.

    My reasoning being if the 360 is so piss to develop for, surely the ps3 version is going to need the most work. So it should be far easier to catch the PS3 with the 360 than it is to catch the 360 by coding the PS3.

    Although for me, it seems morally reprehensible, to produce a pain in the arse to program console and then have the most time lavished upon it! Lol

    SEBO - edit

    Seems we were thinking the same thing at the same time - we obviously agree on the system seller part and who it hit the most.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:17

  • Sebo #92 5 years ago

    Bad Boy Bonner, was just going to say the same thing. Great minds think alike.

    I could understand why the Xbox lot on here aren't too ruffled. I'd love to hear from a PS2 owner who hasn't entered the next gen yet? I'd bet this majorly influences their decision.

  • mcmonkeyplc #93 5 years ago

    LOLERSKATES!

  • Steroyd #94 5 years ago

    If PS3 had rocked the block like everyone thought it would, I'm sure the original release date would've been met.

    I don't think so.

    GTA was always built for one system, then ported to the other system around 6 months later, but because of the multiplatform nature of the game, it gets delayed 6 months I don't think it is a coincendence.

    I don't think you can blame just one Platform, websites like IGN etc were commenting on framerate, pop in and Draw Distances that reminded them of the PS2 days, and wasn't that build the Xbox 360 one?

    If anything blame the Xbox 360 Core

    Ultimately I think if the game was exclusive to one system it would have met it's deadline, EITHER Xbox 360 or PS3.

    Multiplatform FTL.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:26

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #95 5 years ago

    I believe that this delay has little to do with the relative complexities of the next-gen formats to develop for, and more to do with the pressures of creating game worlds as large as the GTA series is known for, and even more densely filled with new game mechanics and missions, so as not to face the same accusations of being an uninspired re-hash as the PSP 'stories' games have.

    Rockstar North has a very large team, and a reputation for working them into the ground. I have heard that they were feverishly working late-night deadlines as much as 18 months ago. GTAs have never been delayed. I feel for them if they've got an extra six months of it ahead.

    I wonder now if this sort of situation can continue? The rumours of the time and effort of production going into modern videogames becoming unsustainable, are looking to me like they might be starting to come true.

  • Frumper #96 5 years ago

    Was this one of titles Peter Moore said was guaranteed to be out this year? ....along with Splinter Cell Conviction.

    That claim could prove to be very 'Murray Walker-esque' in it's 'tempting fate/kiss of death/casting a curse' way.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:31

  • klixman #97 5 years ago

    How do you know that the PS3 is the lead development platform for this game? I don't recall Rockstar ever stating this.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:28

  • Monkey_Puncher #98 5 years ago

    "As a side note - I can not understand [from a technical point of view] why most companies are not adopting the PS3 as lead platform."

    Because it's not selling well, the Xbox was the most powerful console last generation but the PS2 was always the lead platform for multi console releases and we had to suffer lazy ports on Xbox. Welcome to our world!

    Oh and the fact that PS3 is a bitch to programme for will also be a large factor as well.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #99 5 years ago

    Perhaps Peter Moore left MS so as not to face the shaming of having lying tattoos?

  • BadBoyBonner #100 5 years ago

    No doubt Rockstar knew this was about to be released, and are super pissed [if true] that they can not legally release the PS3 version, more so in the draught ridden savannah of PS3 games [which is the norm of any consoles first year].

    This probably prompted pre-emptive playground posturing of Rockstar with regard to the – “we’re going to release something that can take advantage of Blu-ray and Cell” so up yours MS they then did not go on to add [but might as well have].

    I hope they do [bring fantastic PS3 exclusive out], might persuade me to get one. But might also take me till then to persuade the GF we need another console under the TV draining my disposable income and quality time, like a relentless leach.

  • MoGamer2006 #101 5 years ago

    @BadBoyBonner

    When developing a game, initially you want to get stuff up and working as quickly and as cheaply as possible, if nothing else so you can prove to both yourself and any potential publisher the game idea is effective and entertaining.

    Why spend 6 months labouring to get something playable together on PS3 when you can do it in 3 on the Xbox 360?

    Assuming the game gets the green light, the same principles apply - you want to get stuff in as quickly as possible to see what works and what doesn't. Once you have a working game then you can start worrying about porting to other platforms.

  • Steroyd #102 5 years ago

    I find it amusing how people are saying the PS3 loses out on this more this Christmas, particularly how I've been hearing ever since the episodic content on the Xbox 360 version would make it the definitive version (and there was even an assplosion in the comments section of that article) and the Xbox 360 version would outsell the PS3 10:1 because of the bigger userbase and it's the cheaper console, and the Halo, GTA combo thing etc etc.

    Now we have PS2 faithful not leaping to PS3 because of this delay WTF!?

  • lambtron #103 5 years ago

    I think anyone who believes that the PS3 game is done and dusted and the 360 is somehow holding them up is a fanboy fantasist.

    Its usually content creation that delays a game.

  • jonsaan #104 5 years ago

    Couldn't care less from a PS3 point opf view. I'm far more interested in LBP, Unchartered, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, TekkenHD online and GT5 Prologue. It makes me laugh how people say the PS3 has nothing coming to it now.

  • Sebo #105 5 years ago

    @mentalist(air)

    Very good point about development times and the increasing complexity of some games. I mean it'll have been near four years since San Andreas when we get GTAIV, and I'd imagine they've been working on it for the vast bulk of that time.

    How long have Nintendo been stating that they are focussing on shorter games now. It's not laziness. It just makes good business sense. Look at how long it took them to make Twilight Princess?

    I'd rather have a lot of good short games than wait years for one big one. Which seems to illustrate the Wii v PS3 difference, with 360 probably quite well balanced in the middle

  • RichGL #106 5 years ago

    "I especially like the ridiculous "I'm glad for the delay"-type of nonsense posted around here... :)

    Personally, I can't care less for GTA IV. San Andreas destroyed any love I might have felt for the franchise. Until I see some reviews I don't believe the hype."

    Gloaters ready!

    and

    wait for it......

    GLOAT!

  • Sebo #107 5 years ago

    @jonsaan

    And when exactly are those games being released??

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a PS3 and get wait for some games, but most of those titles you mentioned are miles away

  • BadBoyBonner #108 5 years ago

    @Monkey_puncher
    "Because it's not selling well"

    Erm, ya did see the from a technical point of view? And that there was no mention of from a financial point of view?


    @MoGamer2006

    Point taken - perhaps I should have refined. I am quite sure Rockstar thought that they'd give themselves the green light to do GTA on both PS3 and 360.

    So the refinement would be to - games that are obviously going to be made, and made for both systems.

    But - for me - I think the development community should give Sony the big 2 finger salute.

    Reason being - everybody else [read MS] is like WTF. We give you the best set of tools and you lead on PS3. So next time if we give you a massively esoteric system your going to lead on that are you? lol

    Hope the 360 sales drive the system as lead development console personally. Just so Sony are finally taught a lesson and come out with something mind blowing [and very easy to develop for] next time. Which probably will not be as long as they hoped looking at current sales figures.

    And before anyone get's the knickers in a twist - what I mean by that is, while others may have been more than happy with the [PS3] sales figures for their system, Sony must be feeling sick.


    In fact, Nintendo has admitted as much, never in their wildest dreams did the expect or even consider the amount of sales; displayed most notably by their inability to supply demand by some margin.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:50

  • El_MUERkO #109 5 years ago

    boo at delays!

  • Sebo #110 5 years ago

    @Steroyd

    Care to back that up with an explanation. What exactly is selling PS3 at the moment???

    Nothing if you check the sales figures. I own one, I also own the other two consoles too.

    It's a hard fact, Sony are struggling with this machine, and losing GTAIV makes is a hell of a lot tougher for them this Christmas.

  • Steroyd #111 5 years ago

    I'd rather have a lot of good short games than wait years for one big one. Which seems to illustrate the Wii v PS3 difference, with 360 probably quite well balanced in the middle

    eh?

    What lots of short games be these? What the hell is Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime? Why doesn't PSN factor in on these short games, or straight to the point multiplayer games like Warhawk?

    The only difference between Wii and PS3, is one is more expensive than the other and is selling less, both have "no" games and is collecting dust, if EG is anything to go by.

    It's a hard fact, Sony are struggling with this machine, and losing GTAIV makes is a hell of a lot tougher for them this Christmas.

    Pfft if you go by Forums, Sony was struggling with GTA anyway and MS was going to take over christmas with "the perfect storm" of GTA and Halo.

    I don't see the difference this delay makes to Sony's situation of Christmas either way, it can only help Sony's supposed early 2008 push.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:55

  • BadBoyBonner #112 5 years ago

    "most of those titles you mentioned are miles away"

    And the games Jonsaan mentioned are hardly system sellers, well the diluted, non full fat GT5 might shift a few systems - do not think many of the others pointed out will at all.

    People are not saying games are not coming out for the PS3, as that would be plain daft. What they are saying is, most who own either a Wii or 360 or both [or maybe even neither], have still yet to feel compelled to splash 450 on a [PS3] game that is not on either of the other two systems.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:51

  • miiiguel #113 5 years ago

    Just do like every other developer does, release on the 360, and you'll see about the PS3 later, its users are used to wait by now, really...

  • jonsaan #114 5 years ago

    @Sebo

    Heavenly sword, GT5 Prologue, TekkenHD online, Ratchet and Clank and unchartered are all pre xmas I believe.

    But my point is that GTA4 is not a system seller for PS3 anyway as it's multiformat.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 10:54

  • Sebo #115 5 years ago

    @steroyd

    Both have no games, except ofcourse Wii has Zelda and Wii Sports which are both system sellers, Mario Strikers, Resident Evil 4....and oh what's that, Super Mario Galaxy in October, Metroid 3, Super Smash Bros........ Wii Fit further down the lines. SYSTEM SELLERS!!!!

    Yeah, fair point, not all Wii games are short, but I don't think that with Mario Galaxy or Metroid that Nintendo has had to plough all of its resources into them. Okay, that's Nintendo. But smaller publishers certainly can't afford to get sucked into one big project and I as a gamer, although enjoying these huge games, hate to see the massive glut in between. So there has to be some sort of balance.

    Oh and as for Wii collecting dust......not if you've got a social life. Wii Sport and Big Brain Academy have been on at my house at least once a week with friends being round

  • Sebo #116 5 years ago

    @jonsaan.

    Less of a system seller than the franchise was on PS2 - yes. Not a system seller - I think you are wrong. Like I said, because of the franchise history, there will be some who have seen this as their time to justify £425 for the step up to PS3.

  • QPRHOOPS81 #117 5 years ago

    Bit off topic but someone asked earlier about the thoughts of someone who hadnt yet upgraded about there thoughts on both systems.

    Ive got a PS2 and am currently thinking about which machine to go with (360 or PS3, not bothered about wii). As i see it both have strength and weaknesses.

    360 + Lots of good games, cross platform games appear better, not used it but live meant to be very good, oh and its cheaper,

    360 - very worried about the whole red ring of death, noisey (my ps2 annoys me with its noise so sounds anal but wanted a quiet machine, gets very hot, controller (from having a ps1 then ps2 i find the controller a bit cumbersome but sure i would get round that)

    PS3 + quiet, used to the pad( though annoyed about lack of rumble), cross platform games are already improving so given six months might overtake?, MGS is a real plus for me, brother has one and seems well built, really like the media hub assets, nice to have one thing does all, backwards compatability, psp conectivity.

    PS3 - PRICE, lack or rumble, cross network games, dry spell so far though will improve, always worried about getting machine from first batch as can cause issues (my first ps2 was pants).

    Really dont know which to go for so going to wait a little longer. Got Okami to start and also tomb raider anniversay so its not desperate. I think it will be PES 7 that makes my mind up to finally make the leap.

  • Steroyd #118 5 years ago

    Yeah, fair point, not all Wii games are short, but I don't think that with Mario Galaxy or Metroid that Nintendo has had to plough all of its resources into them.

    The hell is that meant to mean? Nintendo is more publisher and pays other devs to make their games, like Metroid Prime is done by Retro Studio's while their own internal studio's concentrates on making the likes of Mario Galaxy, like hell they don't pour all their resources into making a fully fleshed out quality game.

    But smaller publishers certainly can't afford to get sucked into one big project

    You're right which is where Sony's PSN system comes into place, as is Microsoft's XBLA.

    Oh and as for Wii collecting dust......not if you've got a social life. Wii Sport and Big Brain Academy have been on at my house at least once a week with friends being round

    YOU ARE THE REASON WHY MY FAVOURITE PASTIME IS GOING TO DIE!!!

  • BadBoyBonner #119 5 years ago

    Jonsaan -
    "But my point is that GTA4 is not a system seller for PS3 anyway as it's multiformat."

    I agree and disagree.

    Agree = multiformat means hardly any converts to people of this gen - no sales [unless it runs at 60fps on PS3 and 20fps on 360].

    Disagree = last gen PS2 owners thinking of upgrading. At a total guess, 0.1% of PS2 owners probably bought it to play one of GTA3/Vice City/San Andreas. I am sure Sony could sure use the 700,000 upgrading to PS3 lol

  • miiiguel #120 5 years ago

    very funny how some PS-fundamentalists say "360 is holding the game", when:
    the graphics engine was made for the 360: Table Tennis
    every other hight-profile, not-so-high... heck... every game! comes out for the 360 (and better) and just then for the holy-grill.

  • jonsaan #121 5 years ago

    Yeah probably, I can only talk from my own point of view. Personally I thought the first GTA on PC was incredible. 3 was of some note for the 3d leap. But the rest of 'em get a big 'meh' from me anyway.

  • mkreku #122 5 years ago

    If Singstar turns out to be fantastic on the PS3, my girlfriend might force me to buy one. That's a system seller for some..

    I'd rather play Mass Effect myself.

  • afghan_jones #123 5 years ago

    "If Singstar turns out to be fantastic on the PS3, my girlfriend might force me to buy one. That's a system seller for some.."

    Same here, that and LBP are the only things so far that are likely to tempt me and the missus into getting one.

  • miiiguel #124 5 years ago

    the "faithfull" thing is also funny, like this is some kinda religion. Not even in my wildest dreams I would not buy something for a "faith" in a multi-million euro company. If they don't do they job right, that's not my fault, and don't count on my hard earned money.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 11:20

  • miiiguel #125 5 years ago

    DUFFMAN5: want to try to do the "Rings" Achievement @ Crackdown together ?, I only miss that one and the "Hidden Orbs" (the blue ones, I got the greens - oh the joy!). We can do it.

  • Sebo #126 5 years ago

    @steroyd

    You are a dong. Your elitist views on videogaming are what will kill the industry.

    I own all three consoles and will be putting my hard earned into supporting all three when they justify it.

    You're points on Nintendo are mute. It's still them behind the projects.

    And what the hell is your point about XBLA and PSN???? I don't get it at all. Are you suggesting they are where the mass market will be captured???
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 11:31

  • Sebo #127 5 years ago

    @miiiguel

    Yeah, the faithful thing is weird. But are you suggesting it doesn't exist?

  • rhinoxious #128 5 years ago

    Content creation can hold up game development,

    but on a game like GTA, it's probably just taking a long time to iron out all the game design bugs, get all the missions working properly and get the game nicely balanced. This stuff takes a long time to do well, and I think it's a good sign for 360 and PS3 owners that Rockstar are taking their time over it.

    However if you only own a PS3 it does seem to put a big dent in xmas launch line-up. And remember we'll probably see more games slip into next year over the coming weeks.

  • Les #129 5 years ago

    "If they don't do they job right, that's not my fault, and don't count on my hard earned money."

    Uhmm, you got a 360, right?! Guess it all depends on what you define as "do they job right"...

    "the "faithfull" thing is also funny, like this is some kinda religion."

    Like it's funny to see some people claim they don't care about brands/companies but jump at every opportunity to spout some nonsense about a brand/company... Practice what you preach, my friend.

    My take is that Sony will probaly suffer most from the delay. The people inclined to buy a 360 already got one. There's been quite a few quality titles for 360 the last few months but hardware sales aren't picking up. So I expect there are more people waiting for GTA IV and then get a PS3 than people that get a 360 for GTA IV, even considering the reduced price. Xbox is just a poor brand in (continental) Europe.

    For us, the more hardcore gamers, there'll be plenty of shiny, stale games to play this Christmas, no matter what platform(s) you own. The mainstream consumer gets a Wii and has a great time.

  • Sebo #130 5 years ago

    @Les

    "The mainstream consumer gets a Wii and has a great time."

    You should rephrase that, everybody get a Wii and have a great time.

  • afghan_jones #131 5 years ago

    "The mainstream consumer gets a Wii and has a great time."

    You should rephrase that, everybody get a Wii and have a great time."


    You should rephrase that, everybody get a Wii and have a great time for 20 minutes before the gimmick wears off.


  • miiiguel #132 5 years ago

    Les: yeah I spout some "nonsense" about Sony because they had a wondefull machine, and then they release its successor with the main purpose of yet another attempt to come up with a universal media format, they didn't respect their consumers their main goal was to push Blu-Ray.
    I don't know about those sales numbers you claim, but unfortunately MS seems to dominate and please their mainland crowd. On the other hand Sony drops the price and start to deliver some goodies in MS-land and takes a piss in Europe, and guess what many natives still cope with this.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 11:54

  • Steroyd #133 5 years ago

    And what the hell is your point about XBLA and PSN???? I don't get it at all. Are you suggesting they are where the mass market will be captured???

    You was going on about smaller developers, which is accessible through PSN and XBLA for such developers to make budget games, or are you talking about mini-games and stuff?

    You are a dong. Your elitist views on videogaming are what will kill the industry.

    Nintendo is not for me, and Nintendo doesn't care about me, Brain Training and wii fit is where it's at, and i'm not interested I accepted that fact with the DS and it's carried on through to the Wii, it was a bit tongue in cheek but I guess even doing it all in caps can't convey that through text.

    You're points on Nintendo are mute. It's still them behind the projects.

    How so?

    In that case Sony aren't ploughing all their resources either when they have the likes of Lair, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, Singstar, Infamous, Wipeout, Socom, Eye of Judgement, Getaway, Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted White Knight Story the many PSN titles like Lemmings, Calling all Cars, SnakeBall, Pain and so on, I mean it's still Sony behind those projects right?

  • miiiguel #134 5 years ago

    why many ppl come up with names like "Lair"; "Eye of Judgement"; "Infamous"; "Uncharted"; "White Knight Story"... shit! what's that ?!!

  • Steroyd #135 5 years ago

    Huh Miiiguel you must be delusional those games don't exist.

    edited because Miiiguel has 3 i's. lol
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 12:02

  • penguin_overlord #136 5 years ago

    Poor Microsoft. They must have been counting on this game to back up Halo 3. Considering how much they've spent ensuring the GTA DLC is exclusive to the 360 so people would buy 360's this Xmas to run it, this must be a bitter blow to them.

  • miiiguel #137 5 years ago

    Steroyd: yeah, that pissed me off, I really wanted to have just 2 (homage to Takashi Miike) but the name was take @ my ISP.

    penguin_overlord: it's allways funny to read "poor" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence.
    Edited by 1 at 03/08/07 @ 12:06

  • Machetazo #138 5 years ago

    Looks like I was mistaken. GTA IV will be delayed. I still think Assassin's Creed will be held back a bit longer, though. Too bad. Not like there aren't plenty of other appealing games to play, though, in the mean-time.

  • lennon #139 5 years ago

    How many units did GTA:SA sell?

    Being a sinic I feel that the low install base of the PS3 might be a reason for the hold up.

  • Steroyd #140 5 years ago

    How many units did GTA:SA sell?

    More than 10 million.... on the PS2 alone.

  • penguin_overlord #141 5 years ago

    GTA: SA sold 15 million.

    The delay of GTA4 will impact upon both the PS3 and 360 as a lot of people would have upgraded to play it. Halo 3 is small potatoes by comparison. I think Halo 2 sold about 6 or 7 million. And a lot of people who buy Halo 3 already own a 360 so I don't think Microsoft will shift even a million 360's on the back of it.

  • lennon #142 5 years ago

    So basically to achieve comparative sales figures they would need to sell a copy of GTA 4 to just about everyone that owns a 360 or a PS3. I might be right ;)

    Whats Halo 3 got to do with it?

  • miiiguel #143 5 years ago

    Halo is always present...

  • Sebo #144 5 years ago

    @steroyd

    Nintendo not for you, fair enough. Buy you went to far suggesting that having a Wii is killing the industry.

    You are contradicting yourself in parts, suggesting that nintendo is all about short term gimmicks, while you say Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime are "fleshed out".

    Wii Sports and Brain Academy expand the industry, something Sony did exactly the same with when they were introducing the EyeToy and Buzz games.

    Coming back to the devloper issue. It's Nintendo's money, as is it Sony's. They can spread themselves like that. Look what Shenmue did to Sega, and that was seven years ago. Just saying that grandiosce projects can be dangerous to take on.

    @afghan-jones

    Wii isn't a novelty. I've spent more hours on Wii Sports than on Gears of War, and probably Zelda for that matter.

    To get back on topic, GTA is more of a novelty game. I bought all three on PS2 and lost interest in them early on. Not to say that I wasn't hope GTAIV would change that and have me hooked to the end.

  • MuppetThumper #145 5 years ago

    at least it gives me time to play Halo 3, Kane & Lynch and Mass Effect.
    as well as the host of games in my current catalogue that I've completed less than 20% off.

    only exception being GoW. Worst game of the last 12 months imo.

  • Machetazo #146 5 years ago

    GTA, GTA3 and Vice City are good (haven't played the portable offshoots) GTA:SA I don't like and got bored of easily. 2's good fun, but also heralded a real change in the series tone and direction, whilst having gorgeous lighting. :)

  • Les #147 5 years ago

    "Not to say that I wasn't hope GTAIV would change that and have me hooked to the end."

    Probably a justified hope as it'll be the shortest GTA ever... ;)

  • afghan_jones #148 5 years ago

    "Wii isn't a novelty. I've spent more hours on Wii Sports than on Gears of War, and probably Zelda for that matter.

    To get back on topic, GTA is more of a novelty game. I bought all three on PS2 and lost interest in them early on. Not to say that I wasn't hope GTAIV would change that and have me hooked to the end."

    Fair play to you but I think you'll agree that if youve spent more time on Wii sprts than Zelda and Gears, plus you dont like GTA much then you have to accept that you arent really fitting into the traditional gamer profile. Not that thats a bad thing, but for myself and my friends who are quite serious gamers, wii leaves us cold to be honest.

  • samk #149 5 years ago

    "Wii isn't a novelty. I've spent more hours on Wii Sports than on Gears of War, and probably Zelda for that matter. "

    YOU'VE spent more time on Wii Sports. So for YOU, personally, it isn't a novelty. But for some of us it most certainly is. Remember that you most certainly don't speak for everybody, despite thinking you do with statements like "everybody get a Wii and have a great time."

  • jonsaan #150 5 years ago

    /runs back to Forums. It's nasty out here..

  • Sebo #151 5 years ago

    @afghan-jones

    Sorry mate, but played Resident Evil 4 through five times, Metal Gear Solids 2 and 3 through twice, and Gears of War twice, to name but a few. And spent ridiculous numbers of hours on every one of the Pro Evolution Soccer series.

    Been playing games for close to 20 years, have owned every Sega, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft console, other the original Xbox, and can still see the Wii for what it is - absolute brilliance.

    Each to their own ofcourse, but I'm baffled by why gamers on here have a snobbery towards the Wii. Although granted, I don't think I could own the machine on its own. The original plan was to have a Wii and Xbox 360 combo, because it was still costing less than a PS3.

    I ended up getting a PS3 in the states because they were £125 cheaper over there. But if I hadn't gone over there, I certainly couldn't have justified Sony's machine, taking GTAIV away from its Christmas line up certainly hurts it as GTA has been played on more Sony machines than anything else.

  • Sebo #152 5 years ago

    @samk

    Last post highlights that I'm not speaking for everybody, but I guess I am speaking for the vast majority of next gen console buyers as the Wii is STILL selling like hotcakes. I know there's plenty of Wii snobs out there who can't see past their geek games, and that's fine, their loss.

  • JimJam #153 5 years ago

    I'm not quite sure I see the logic in this harming MS and helping Sony. MS still have a lot of other good stuff - both exclusive and multiplatform - out before Xmas. And they still have more GTA content than the PS3 version even when the game does finally surface on both platforms, doubtless still simultaneously.

  • EmiliasHorse #154 5 years ago

    GTA IV...whats that then?

  • Entity #155 5 years ago

    captainrentboy
    "Ohh for fuck sake, now I'll have to ring up dozens and dozens of pre order customers to tell them it's delayed, and as your average gamer is rather dense, 80% will then hold a grudge against me, because hey, didn't you know? When a game gets delayed it's actually a Game sales assistant's fault that it happened.
    Yes, people are that thick.
    And personally, with regards to the delay, I couldn't give a poop... Now if Halo 3 was delayed, it would be a different story, there would actuall be tears of fury."
    lol
    /shakes fist at Captainrentboy as it's his fault

  • samk #156 5 years ago

    "I'm baffled by why gamers on here have a snobbery towards the Wii"

    In my case it's that Ninty's development of the likes of Wii Fit and indeed the Wii Controller is, to a large part, instead of creating the more traditional Nintendo games that many of us (including me) had come to know and love.

    ie, they'll have a FINITE budget to spend every year, and for every Yen they spend on developing shite like Wii Fit, that's money not being spent on developing MORE games of the ilk of Mario, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, etc.

  • SomaticSense #157 5 years ago

    "I'm baffled by why gamers on here have a snobbery towards the Wii"

    It could be that Nintendo and the 3rd party developers seem to be obsessed over shitty mini-games and rubbish targeted purely towards the most casual of gamers. I got a Wii in Feb, and have only used it (for anything other than SoR2 and Gunstar Heroes) in the first month I bought it.

    I'm seriously regretting buying it, as I've never really liked the Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros, and Zelda games, and those are the only ones to really look forward to for Wii gamers (as well as the numerous other casual games). I was hoping we'd get a games catalogue somewhat like the DS, but evidently not.

  • Sebo #158 5 years ago

    @SomaticSense

    So what types of games do you want to play?

    The DS took time to get where it is. Nintendo is essentially coming from third place in the last console generation to first in this.

    Smackdown has now found its way to the Wii, there will be others that follow.

    Wii isn't perfect, but it has more going for it gameswise now, and for at least the next six months, than Playstation 3 does.

  • Steroyd #159 5 years ago

    @Sebo

    Chill the caps part was a joke.

    Nintendo isn't for me anymore and I can only think of 3 titles out of many that I would get if I had a Wii right now, you can't deny that Nintendo would be more inclined to make stuff like Wii fit that will sell tens of millions than games like Mario Galaxy that will only sell a couple.

    A bit like the DS most if not all the DS games I'd buy doesn't heavily rely on the touchscreen.

    I'm more attracted to the game itself than how it's controlled.

  • samk #160 5 years ago

    "So what types of games do you want to play?"

    Not games like "Wii Fit Step-Up Party", "Wii Fit Push-Up Simulator" or "Wii Fit Tap Dancing" that are no doubt in development at the expense of additional first-party Nintendo AAA titles.

    "Wii Sports and Brain Academy expand the industry, something Sony did exactly the same with when they were introducing the EyeToy and Buzz games."

    Eyetoy and Buzz...which only gimps and morons bought.

  • SomaticSense #161 5 years ago

    "So what types of games do you want to play?"

    A wide variety of games believe it or not (check my games list on my profile), and not a bunch of mini-games.

    And cross platform ports (like Smackdown) with tacked on wii-mote controls don't cut it to be perfectly honest. And I've already played through RE4 about 4 times on the GC as well, before you mention that.

    Although the PS3's upcoming line-up is bad, the Wii's is hardly much better. Smash Bros, Galaxy, and Metroid being the only ones that immediately come to mind.

  • afghan_jones #162 5 years ago

    @sebo

    I'm not being a snobby game geek by not liking the Wii.

    Its a fun toy to wheel out at parties nothing more. I have played it and I found the controls were not quite where they needed to be in terms of responsiveness or accuracy. I also found that despite it being overloaded with mini-games, Id rather have been playing super monkey ball than waving at the screen getting frustrated when it didtn respond properly. (Wii boxing especially.)

  • Sebo #163 5 years ago

    @somiatic sense

    But, that's three games you just listed for Wii. And saying a wide variety of games does not answer the question, although I will check your games list. All I wanted in black in white from you is what the other consoles are delivering so well, that the Wii is not. My own answer would be Gears of War, Halo 3, GTAIV, Resident Evil 5 and Metal Gear 4. The problem Sony has in my opinion is that non of them are out on PS3 before this Christmas.

    @afghan

    Kinda my point, the Wii brings a side to gaming that the others don't - the party factor. Let's not forget this was important for PS2 in its later days too, particularly with Buzz etc. Wii will have great one player games as well before Christmas. Nintendo didn't expect so much success and it will take thrid parties time to get round to getting the best from the new console leader.

  • Steroyd #164 5 years ago

    Sony has Singstar...

    /goes back into corner

  • SomaticSense #165 5 years ago

    @ sebo

    Three games that I've already admitted don't interest me at all.

    All I'm saying is that I'm regretting buying it, as the line-up has turned out to be not my taste at all. My fault for buying the thing I know, especially when already knowing I've never been a fan of Nintendos established franchises.

    But you can't deny that there have been way too much mini-games and casual 'gimmick' games for the thing, and nowhere near enough 'proper' games.

  • Sebo #166 5 years ago

    @somiatic

    I can deny it. What do you mean by proper games??? A games a game. Something you play. Something that the whole point is to enjoy. Now just because it isn't your taste, doesn't mean its not "proper". The Wii may not have been flush with new games, but it's been better off than PS3 whatever way you look at it.

  • Kill_Crazy #167 5 years ago

    @captainrentboy

    :QUOTE:
    Ohh for fuck sake, now I'll have to ring up dozens and dozens of pre order customers to tell them it's delayed, and as your average gamer is rather dense, 80% will then hold a grudge against me, because hey, didn't you know? When a game gets delayed it's actually a Game sales assistant's fault that it happened.
    Yes, people are that thick.
    And personally, with regards to the delay, I couldn't give a poop... Now if Halo 3 was delayed, it would be a different story, there would actuall be tears of fury.
    :QUOTE:

    As Gay-m staff are usually extremely dense i think you're both gonna have trouble.

    Usual Game inquiry:

    Me:Do you have this game on that system?
    Game: No, it's not out yet.
    Me: Are you sure? It was released today.
    Game: Uhhh, i'll look in book....

    10 mins later....

    Me: Well?
    Game: No, definately not out.

    /goes 2 shops down and buys it. Then returns to Game to let them know that they are thick as shit. Fuck game use Play.com