GTA IV delay is PS3's fault

By GamesIndustry International Published 3 August, 2007

Leading analyst points finger.

Analyst Michael Pachter believes Rockstar has delayed the release of Grand Theft Auto IV because it is struggling with development on the PlayStation 3, GamesIndustry.biz is reporting.

And the Xbox 360 version of the game has suffered at least a six month delay as a result, due to contractual obligations that will have prevented the publisher from releasing the game first on Microsoft's machine, says the analyst.

"We think it is likely that the Rockstar team had difficulty in building an exceptionally complicated game for the PS3, and failed to recognise how far away from completion the game truly was until recently," said Pachter.

"We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version," he added.

This failure to recognise development problems could dent investor confidence in the publisher, even after it has taken steps to improve the green light process for software development.

"Take-Two management stumbled badly for the first time during their tenure," commented Pachter.

"While the delay of GTA IV was clearly not the fault of new management, we believe that it should have been better understood several months ago, and should have been communicated to investors much earlier than today.

"The company has begun an initiative to improve the green light process for new projects, but given the delays of Manhunt and GTA, its process for monitoring projects under development appears to be a failure," he said.

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Comments (140) Latest comment 5 years ago

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  • SomaticSense #1 5 years ago

    Analysts know fuck all about games. That's been established already.

    edit: But because of this idiot, all hell will break loose among both PS3 and 360 fanboys.....
    Edited by SomaticSense at 03/08/07 @ 14:32

  • lennon #2 5 years ago

    Oh dear!

    /Wonders when this will get messy
    Edited by lennon at 03/08/07 @ 14:34

  • Dr.Mott #3 5 years ago

    Shit. Why, Mr. Analyst. WHY!?

  • Entity #4 5 years ago

    Their on their way...

  • Hench #5 5 years ago

    LMAO, the blame game

  • haowan #6 5 years ago

    Stop reporting on this guy, he's been wrong many many times. He's worthless.

  • Steroyd #7 5 years ago

    Oh Jesus if the PS3 build was worse than the Xbox 360 build shown at E3 I think I just vommited thinking about it.

    PS3 build currently at 2 framerates per second and a draw distance of 2 centimetres.

  • X201 #8 5 years ago

    Anyone fancy an aperitif?

    WTF!!!!1!! Suxxors!!!11

  • Yodzilla #9 5 years ago

    The 360 version was still looking terrible. Who the fuck are these "analysts"? Can I be one?

  • Darren #10 5 years ago

    Well he does make a good point. I mean you only have to look at how many PS3 games are suffering delays compared with Xbox 360 ones so it would make perfect sense what the analyst says. Apparently it would also explain why GTA IV was only demo'ed on the Xbox 360, no-one has seen anything of the PS3 version.

  • BraveArse #11 5 years ago

    t'would be nice to have a little 'ignore all fanboys' button...

    hmm? hmmmm?

  • Britesparc Verified Creative, ITV #12 5 years ago

    Ooooh, and there we were thinking it was the fault of the DVDs...

    I don't mind waiting till 2008, what with Halo, Half-Life and Mass Effect, so it'll be entertaining watching the ensuing flame apocalypse...

  • Lonestar #13 5 years ago

    I have a mental image of Michael Pachter pushing his way through supermaket queues bellowing "Make way; I am an analyst!"

  • SomaticSense #14 5 years ago

    "We think it is likely"

    "We think it is also likely"

    "and believe that"

    "we believe that"

    So pretty much like this guy then: http://www.ukrebellion.com/2007/08/xbox-... Only getting paid for it...

  • DUFFKING #15 5 years ago

    Does anyone actually give a shit what analysts think?

  • lennon #16 5 years ago

    Eh page not found?

  • Shrui #17 5 years ago

    I think that due to this delay in fact that the Wii is the cause for delay because all the devs are playing that too much. I know this because I read Penny Arcade once. ;)

  • Les #18 5 years ago

    Had Rockstar just made GTA IV a Wii exclusive, we wouldn't have this argument right now... (for more than one reason)

  • jonsaan #19 5 years ago

    Analysts eh. What a fucking twat. I bet the prick doesn't even play games.

  • SomaticSense #20 5 years ago

    "Had Rockstar just made GTA IV a Wii exclusive, we wouldn't have this argument right now..."

    You're right. We'd have a bunch of mini-games which are only there to make superficial use of the Wii-mote.

  • Inquisitor #21 5 years ago

    I like Pachter, he seems like he takes a real interest in the industry unlike a lot of analysts.

    I also think this is probably likely, how much of the ps3 version have we seen? Answer = none.

    However I do think the 360 had problems with disk space aswell, it had to be an issue.
    Edited by Inquisitor at 03/08/07 @ 14:42

  • Les #22 5 years ago

    "You're right. We'd have a bunch of mini-games which are only there to make superficial use of the Wii-mote."

    Sounds like GTA to me...

  • lennon #23 5 years ago

    @SomaticSense - :) I was just thing exactly the same.

  • aldo_14 #24 5 years ago

    Isn't it possible that both machines could have their own, unique problems?

  • menage #25 5 years ago

    If this is true, which I doubt, then MS is getting pretty screwed once again by RS. Just buy them would be my opinion. :p

  • Fab4 #26 5 years ago

    I've never seen so much "likely"s in a supposed factual story.

  • alimokrane #27 5 years ago

    Eurogamer is turning into a piece of shit lately. Start the day with a riot triggering topic and end the day with another to keep people in the site ... Nice! keep up the good work and you'll join the long list of crappy websites I dont ever visit again.

  • mattigan #28 5 years ago

    http://www.ukrebellion.com = a poor mans http://www.ukresistance.com the links don't even work FFS!

    CMDR Zorg Smite the Imposters!!

  • JDub #29 5 years ago

    I'm an analyst.

    The game is late - That's gonna hurt bad.

    Thank you and good night.

  • Dr.Mott #30 5 years ago

    How much do these twats get paid? Must be quite a lot.

  • miiiguel #31 5 years ago

    one doesn't have to be an "analyst" to figure out that PS3 is the one to "blame". Are PS3-only players playing DiRT ? Are they playing the best Tom Clancy games, or tacked conversions ?, what about the "small/retro games", XBLA has hundreds of them, PSN has 2. So no need for a crystal ball.
    Nevertheless, there are plenty of goodies coming - OH MY GOD!!! MASS EFFECT! yells the crowd in extasy.

  • afghan_jones #32 5 years ago

    Choose your weapons gentlemen, its time to roll out teh Friday Afternoon Console Warz!

    Get ready to order a new keyboard as your 'L' & 'O' keys disintegrate under a flurry of 'LOL's. Try cutting and pasting 'OMG M$ SUXX' into all your posts as a timesaver!

    Dont forget that anyone who opposes you by purchasing a different console is probably some sort of borderline retard who might possibly also be a gaybo!

    Remember, Wii is for girls and children, 360 is for PC nerds and geeks, and PS3 is for chavs and townies!

    So lets all strap ourselves into our ROFLcopters, make sure the laces on our LOLLerskates are tied nice and tight and get ready to LMFAO at anyone who dares to suggest that MS/SOny/Ninty (delete as necessary) are not a benevolent charity whilst the other two companies most likely eat babies.

    Flame On!!!!!!!! +1


  • messiahtj #33 5 years ago

    Meeeh, another stupid analyst´s prediction....worthless....and Steroyd, ur comment must be the dumbest one in the whole internet......:S

  • ccfb #34 5 years ago

    Jeez, sort out your Daily Mail headlines.

    "'PS3 delaying GTA4' - Analyst" would have done, surely?

  • The_Programmer #35 5 years ago

    "However I do think the 360 had problems with disk space aswell, it had to be an issue. "

    Why? Is there some reason you can't put a game on 2 or more disks?

  • sem1604 #36 5 years ago

    dont mind some titles slipping far too many 360 games coming out for my bank card to handle between now and the end of the year.

  • Freek #37 5 years ago

    Analyst: full time forum poster, wannabe journalist, little actual real info.

    Pretty much every person here could do it, strange that what they say is taken seriously when so often it's just hot air that doesn't lead to anything.

  • skillian #38 5 years ago

    Bah, if it weren't for all you console people I'd probably be playing GTA V on my PC by now :p

    But seriously, this is just the way it goes now. If you're making a multiformat game (and actually trying to make it good) one of the platforms is always going to slow development down, and marketing costs mean it's impossible to stagger releases.

  • speedjack #39 5 years ago

    So either :-

    A) The Xbox version is delaying the PS3 version as they can't fit all the game on to a standard DVD.

    or

    B) The PS3 version is delaying the Xbox version due to problems with programming for the PS3.

    Umm...

    I'll go with

    C)... Fanboys talk as much crap as analyists.

    ...thankyouverymuch.

  • Garulon #40 5 years ago

    Considering Microsoft was paying for the advertisement of the game T2 would have released the 360 version this side of Christmas even if the PS3 version is just "Hello World". What's happened is the 360 version's slipped _AS WELL_

    This guy's an idiot getting paid to shoot his fool mouth off. I want his job!

  • X201 #41 5 years ago

    @afghan_jones :-)

  • SomaticSense #42 5 years ago

    Afgan Jones wins the comments thread by a KO.
    Edited by SomaticSense at 03/08/07 @ 15:00

  • Monkey_Puncher #43 5 years ago

    The fact that we've only seen the 360 version in trailers and it's always been the 360 version demoed to journo's speaks volumes....

  • Inquisitor #44 5 years ago

    For someone that calls themselves 'the programmer' you aren't very bright.

    A free roaming game on 2 disks? Would be rather awkward dontcha think?

  • jonsaan #45 5 years ago

    Not much has been seen of anyone actually playing the game on any platform. It's missed it's deadline, pure and simple. Blame Rockstar if anyone.

  • Steroyd #46 5 years ago

    Monkey_Puncher the Xbox 360 version also ran like shit at E3.

    speaks volumes indeed. /sarcasm

  • SeesThroughAll #47 5 years ago

    what about the "small/retro games", XBLA has hundreds of them, PSN has 2.

    If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up.

  • SBfistfun #48 5 years ago

    BOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!

  • Syrok Verified Community Coordinator, Tarsier Studios #49 5 years ago

    This article stats that it's not the PS3's fault.
    http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/08/ngai...

  • captain-future #50 5 years ago

    THANKS FOR NOTHING, PS3!!!

    On the other hand there are so many great games for Xbox 360 this fall - it's not that bad...

  • sanctusmortis #51 5 years ago

    Other issues that many have raised with what they've seen:

    Bad framerate
    Out at similar time to Halo 3

    I guess "PS3 harder to work with than anticipated" makes sense...

  • Steroyd #52 5 years ago

    I wonder if EG will use their powers to keep this topic on the front page then go home for the weekend.

  • sickpuppysoftware #53 5 years ago

    Ask the analyst specifically which part of the architecture is giving rockstar grief.

    Maybe he can help with the coding as he knows sooooooo much about it.

  • Khanivor #54 5 years ago

    Choose your weapons gentlemen, its time to roll out teh Friday Afternoon Console Warz!

    Get ready to order a new keyboard as your 'L' & 'O' keys disintegrate under a flurry of 'LOL's. Try cutting and pasting 'OMG M$ SUXX' into all your posts as a timesaver!

    Dont forget that anyone who opposes you by purchasing a different console is probably some sort of borderline retard who might possibly also be a gaybo!

    Remember, Wii is for girls and children, 360 is for PC nerds and geeks, and PS3 is for chavs and townies!

    So lets all strap ourselves into our ROFLcopters, make sure the laces on our LOLLerskates are tied nice and tight and get ready to LMFAO at anyone who dares to suggest that MS/SOny/Ninty (delete as necessary) are not a benevolent charity whilst the other two companies most likely eat babies.

    Flame On!!!!!!!! +1

    This should be the EG Friday morning prayer!

    Top work afghan :)

  • Paulanator #55 5 years ago

    I'd say it's pretty likely that the PS3 has slowed down development - that's a given. Every day you read comments from developers claiming how hard it is to programme for the PS3, so it seems likely that RS have got the 360 version up to a certain level reasonably quickly and are now trying to get the PS3 version up to the same standard.

    Saying that, both versions probably need some work so the delay can only be a good thing in those terms. We'll (hopefully) be getting a better game for it.

  • haowan #56 5 years ago

    I'll tell you my guess as to why it's delayed - they've been in crunch for at least 4 months already and when you crunch a team for that long their output suffers. And the delay you will experience from that is not a delay of 2 months or 3 months. Especially if you intend to just crunch the poor saps right the way down the line until Gold. That's what I think.

  • captain-future #57 5 years ago

    @frod: When I hear this laughable argument about storage space of DVD vs. Blu-ray I always answer sarcastically:

    In the casual consumer minds "2 discs are better than 1 disc" - it's just like with special editions for movies. ;)

  • Triggerhappytel #58 5 years ago

    So, this is pure speculation, right? Is there even any point to saying this, since it's not actually going to be proven either way...?!

  • GitSomE_UK #59 5 years ago

    ZOMG!!! War on Iraq is PS3 FAULT!!!!

    WOWSERS!! XBOX 360 to bring about world peace and ends poverty!!!!!!

    Z@IKS!!! Ninty raises world health due to wiimote!!!!!!!

  • penhalion #60 5 years ago

    Ngai is known to be a sony Fanboy so I most people don't take him too seriously anymore (except strangely enough his fellow online bloggers). Even they sometimes question his seeming blind loyalty to Sony's playstation. It probably has something to do with his predictions of it destroying the 360 when it launched and being made to look a right numpty.

  • afghan_jones #61 5 years ago

    @Gitsome UK

    excellent work. Thats the kind of inflammatory fanboy rant I like. Extra points for all those unnecessary exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Of course you could have gone the other way entirely with a 15 paragraph post comparing vague hardware specs that no one will read or understand.

    Both are valid weapons in teh Console WARZ!

  • Bumhug360 #62 5 years ago

    Today totaly made up news asked Rockstar what was causing the problems

    "your mum"

    Was their reply followed by some giggling and then hanging up on us

  • RedPanda #63 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Triggerhappytel #64 5 years ago

    Choose your weapons gentlemen, its time to roll out teh Friday Afternoon Console Warz!

    Get ready to order a new keyboard as your 'L' & 'O' keys disintegrate under a flurry of 'LOL's. Try cutting and pasting 'OMG M$ SUXX' into all your posts as a timesaver!

    Dont forget that anyone who opposes you by purchasing a different console is probably some sort of borderline retard who might possibly also be a gaybo!

    Remember, Wii is for girls and children, 360 is for PC nerds and geeks, and PS3 is for chavs and townies!

    So lets all strap ourselves into our ROFLcopters, make sure the laces on our LOLLerskates are tied nice and tight and get ready to LMFAO at anyone who dares to suggest that MS/SOny/Ninty (delete as necessary) are not a benevolent charity whilst the other two companies most likely eat babies.

    Flame On!!!!!!!!

    This is great stuff - laughed my arse off at this ;)

  • Bumhug360 #65 5 years ago

    Maybe a better headline would of been

    Microsoft to charge for GTA IV delay?

  • Azazel #66 5 years ago

    They moostly come at night... moostly.

  • afghan_jones #67 5 years ago

    "your mum"

    so, so childish, yet so very funny.

  • Devious_Droid #68 5 years ago

    Who cares what Rockstar have to say when we have analysts to give us teh facts.

  • dsmx #69 5 years ago

    I love this he blames the ps3 with no evidence whatsoever, the only evidence I can think he's using is that developers said it was harder to develop on the ps3. The problem could be so many things such as there having troubles fitting the game on the disk, or there have been framerate problems for both systems that they haven't been able to sort out, the multiplayer needs further testing, the list goes on and on and to blame it solely on the ps3 is a stupid thing to do.

  • Moz #70 5 years ago

    @afghan_jones "Dont forget that anyone who opposes you by purchasing a different console is probably some sort of borderline retard who might possibly also be a gaybo! "

    But I am a gaybo so they'd be half right!!

  • Hughes. #71 5 years ago

    I blame the SEGA 32X.

  • Rash' #72 5 years ago

    "Why? Is there some reason you can't put a game on 2 or more disks?"

    Yeah, it's called disk swapping and in a game like GTA (i.e. open end, non linear exploration) that's a pain in the arse.

  • Darknight #73 5 years ago

    For some reason, I can't help reading analyst as anal cyst...

  • Garulon #74 5 years ago

    "Why? Is there some reason you can't put a game on 2 or more disks?"

    GTA IV will fit on a single DVD, it's been designed to from the beginning, if they screwed up and it's too big they'll cut content. when has CUTTING content caused a delay? THINK fanbois THINK :(

  • Rash' #75 5 years ago

    "In the casual consumer minds "2 discs are better than 1 disc" - it's just like with special editions for movies. ;) "

    Lets have this discussion when you have to swap disc in the middle of play just because you realised the weapon you need for so and so mission is in the area not on the disc currently in the console.
    Edited by Rash' at 03/08/07 @ 16:02

  • lennon #76 5 years ago

    @dsmx - Did you actually read his reasoning?

    "We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version," he added."

  • Garulon #77 5 years ago

    You know who I blame? Jack Thomson, that's who! He's secretly employed by R* to freak out when they release anything, but he hasn't got his outraged moral majority campaign nailed down yet, and won't until after Christmas, as he's spending the next few months bent over a barrel biting down on a ball gag.

  • Sebo #78 5 years ago

    This is a total wind up story

  • Garulon #79 5 years ago

    @lennon - that's not "reasoning" that's "speculation" at best - at BEST.

    he might as well have blamed global warming or the fact Phil Harrison looks like a sock full of rice pudding.

  • Nobuo #80 5 years ago

    IDC.

  • DjFlex52 #81 5 years ago

    Yea, cause Sony have never ever ever spun a news story

  • afghan_jones #82 5 years ago

    @Moz

    You must be a Sony fanboy then, everyone knows they are teh gaylordz!

  • lennon #83 5 years ago

    It may be speculation but it is still the reasoning behind his statement

  • dsmx #84 5 years ago

    @lennon The point I'm making is that this supposed analyst is saying that GTA is delayed because of the ps3 however he fails to make any mention as to why it would be the ps3 over the xbox 360 as I mentioned in my previous post.

  • Rash' #85 5 years ago

    Overall, sounds to me like Rockstar fucked up their planning, and GTA fans on 360 will suffer. Still, plenty of games to look forward to this year, so not too fussed.

  • Steroyd #86 5 years ago

    We all know it was REALLY the Xbox 360 tard pack that did rockstar in, I have no evidence by the way just wanted to get my core hate.

    No Blu-ray is one thing but no Blu-ray and no HDD to people who aren't going to get the game it makes me sick to the stomach.

  • Rodney #87 5 years ago

    In regard to the 2 disks. Im sure one solution would be to put the full game world/city on both disks then split the story between the two. Im sure the missions and dialogue take up a fair amount of space.

    If the full game world can not fit on one disk then....Sony's BLu-Ray trojan horse seems a little more justified.

    Question is, is getting up to change disks occasionally worth £200?


  • Hughes. #88 5 years ago

    I blame the PC Engine GT

  • ronuds #89 5 years ago

    Seeing as so many PS3 ports have been delayed up to now, I'd say this sounds like it "could" be the reason.

    Of course, we can't be sure, but it certainly makes sense. But to say it's impossible is foolishness.
    Edited by ronuds at 03/08/07 @ 16:21

  • Hughes. #90 5 years ago

    I blame ronuds

  • Steroyd #91 5 years ago

    What PS3 port has been delayed by six months just out of curiosity.

  • ronuds #92 5 years ago

    Thanks, Hughes...


    @ Steroyd

    I'm not going to search the web to see how many have been delayed by "particularly" 6 months. If you're going to deny that there have been a lot of delays then there must be a rock that you're hiding under.
    Edited by ronuds at 03/08/07 @ 16:24

  • sniglet #93 5 years ago

    The delay on GTA IV is conclusive proof that the Wii is destroying "quality" - lawl - gaming. The R* boys were obviously trying to improve their Wii Bowling scores instead of makin' games! D'oh! Not PS3, not 360 - the console to blame is the one by those friendly Nintendo fellas.

  • afghan_jones #94 5 years ago

    @steroyd

    the whole PS3 UK launch lineup! LOLZ!!!!

    Quickly fanboys, attack, attack. Feel your anger, your hate has made you powerful!


  • Hughes. #95 5 years ago

    I blame Hughes., that idiot ruins everything.

  • Rash' #96 5 years ago

    "Question is, is getting up to change disks occasionally worth £200?"

    I don't think that's the question at all. It is more likely:

    As larger more ambitious non linear titles grow with the coming generation will DVD be sufficient enough to accommodate the needs of developers?

  • Sebo #97 5 years ago

    Rainbow Vegas 6? I might be wrong but it was delayed wasn't it. Smackdown 2007 was totally scrapped.

  • Rash' #98 5 years ago

    "What PS3 port has been delayed by six months just out of curiosity."

    I second that question.

  • Sebo #99 5 years ago

    @sniglet

    I think I love you

  • lambtron #100 5 years ago

    "@steroyd

    the whole PS3 UK launch lineup! LOLZ!!!!

    Quickly fanboys, attack, attack. Feel your anger, your hate has made you powerful!

    "

    Take your weapons - strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey to the dark side will be complete!

    Muhahahaha.

  • afghan_jones #101 5 years ago

    "As larger more ambitious non linear titles grow with the coming generation will DVD be sufficient enough to accommodate the needs of developers?"

    Yes because people are lazy.

    Im sure most devs dont want to be sloggin away filling up Blu ray with tons and tons of epic content when they can just release a game on DVD and say "hey, man we filled the disc, now there no room for night time (boo) but who cares cause now its finished we get to piss off down the pub early (Yay!)"

  • afghan_jones #102 5 years ago

    @Sebo

    You can tell youre a Wii owner, LOLZFAG!!!!!!!

  • Rash' #103 5 years ago

    "Rainbow Vegas 6? I might be wrong but it was delayed wasn't it. Smackdown 2007 was totally scrapped."

    Lets say for arguments sake that's true, but with Sony's own Edge tools filtering through the dev community and Epics Unreal engine being fully optimised for the PS3 hardware to offer a viable middleware solution, how long term do you consider these delay issues to be?
    Edited by Rash' at 03/08/07 @ 16:34

  • Sebo #104 5 years ago

    @afghan

    Also a 360 and PS3 owner. So whatever you consider yourself, I'm one of those too twatboy

  • crozon #105 5 years ago

    oh stop fucking about and release it on the PC and worry about the consoles later :)

  • afghan_jones #106 5 years ago

    @sebo

    Im sorry but under the strict rules of teh Console Warz, owning multiple 'next-gen' consoles is definitely not cricket.

    You will have to pick just one, then destroy the others ritualistically. possibly in a fire as they are undoubtedly evil. Then you have to trawl the interweb, throwing down the LOLZ gauntlet to all and sundry and telling them why your console is teh bestest (Halo3, Cell, Wiibowling are all popular answers).

    Also, once you have properly joined the Console Warz, lowercase insults like 'twatboy' will no longer suffice. For heavens sake, you didnt even add any exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To be a true fanboy, try retyping it as below:

    OMGTW@TBO!LOLLERSKATEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Once youve mastered these basics, come back to me and we'll have you ROFLing like a pro in no time!

  • ronuds #107 5 years ago

    Here is the list of delays I can think of off the top of my head for the PS3. I couldn't tell you how "long" these games were delayed for, but their release dates change at some point:

    GRAW 2
    MGS4
    RS:V
    2 KOEI titles (can't think of which)
    Lair
    Half Life: Orange Box

    I know there are more, but I can't think of them. And that doesn't even count the titles that have been scrapped altogether. Do I know of special websites that you don't which carry this type of news?
    Edited by ronuds at 03/08/07 @ 16:45

  • DrDamn #108 5 years ago

    The size of the delay and the statements from RS are clear indicators that there are a number of issues for the delay. This shit happens all the time when they pin a date down for an ambitious game so early. Both versions will benefit from the extra time.

  • slickster #109 5 years ago

    i hope your 360's are still working . or how meny you will go though by 2008 when the game comes out.ha ha i hate the shitbox i should now i had 3 in 12 mouth.....this is living ....

  • Steroyd #110 5 years ago

    No I mean multiplat games that have been delayed for 6 months from a 360 release.

  • RandolphScott #111 5 years ago

    @afghan_jones

    I think you are wrong. I am the proud owner of both next-gen consoles!

    I have a preference for one over the other. I choose not to tell anyone which one.

    You will forever be in the dark. MWAHAHAHAHA.

    P.S: I liked your post.

  • ronuds #112 5 years ago

    "No I mean multiplat games that have been delayed for 6 months from a 360 release."

    I can't find information that specific. The two I named from memory that "may" fit that description are GRAW and RS:V.

    Either way, I don't think the porting would cause this long of a delay, though I had read somewhere at some point that the ps3 version was 2 weeks behind the xbox version...and that was pretty recently. Still, 2 weeks doesn't equal 6 months.


  • Sebo #113 5 years ago

    @afghan

    I appreciate your humour, but I'm no fanboy and have no intention of being. I'm a gamer, I like all three consoles, but the PS3 is personally is dissappointing me at the moment. All I want is killer games for it.

    And twatboy is a quality insult yi wee badgervadj

  • SomaticSense #114 5 years ago

    "i hope your 360's are still working . or how meny you will go though by 2008 when the game comes out.ha ha i hate the shitbox i should now i had 3 in 12 mouth.....this is living .... "

    Get. Out.

    edit: Or are you taking part in the Afgan_Jones Fanboy Roleplaying Game?
    Edited by SomaticSense at 03/08/07 @ 17:45

  • Overlush #115 5 years ago

    I hope the PS3 is to 'blame'. Eat it Xbots.

  • Drpwnage #116 5 years ago

    I'm not to fussed about GTA IV being delayed, with all the games coming out on the 360, I'll be busy to Spring 08. I would only have suffered from 'choice anxiety' over what to play anyway ;)

  • EmiliasHorse #117 5 years ago

    I blame global warming.

  • afghan_jones #118 5 years ago

    "All I want is killer games for it."

    Fat chance. They've already put a stop to manhunt2.

  • AOFanboi #119 5 years ago

    <em>your journey to the dark side will be complete!</em>

    Actually, that journey completes when you buy a 360.

  • smelly #120 5 years ago

    @entity: "Their on their way..."


    * they're on their way"


    Sheesh, what do they teach kids at school nowadays?

  • Calgon #121 5 years ago

    GTA IV executive Sam Houser basically said as much in the press release, "The game is huge and is pushing the hardware platforms to their absolute limits. The top engineers from Sony and Microsoft are working closely with the team in Edinburgh right now, helping us to fully leverage the power of both platforms." That was echoed by Zelnick on the conference call, who said, " There are technical challenges across the board on both PS3 and 360."

    I have a theory too... The significance of this game is a big one this game could be used to compare the consoles by many, like Oblivion was except less excuses for both sides(atleast in the minds of MS and Sony... I dont think its got the same draw as it used to, but then it will still sell shitloads, actually I'll probably buy it myself... Im confused now lol).

    Reading that makes me think that Sony perhaps may have had a plan... delay the game and loose some sales, but just before launch mouth off about its gonna be the best version thanks to untapped potential being unlocked again in the hopes that people wait(classic Sony), while the PS3 version gets extra polish and developement time along with help from the "harrisons ninja coders".

    MS could have got wind of it and thought "hey wait a minute if you're gonna improve theirs, you can improve ours too, they arent running 'that' game on us, we'll send in the TEAM make sure they dont screw us on anything". They might be working on helping them with compression or simply getting better performance. RStar are quite jammy beggers... both platform holders helping them improve their engine with their own super engineers, how many other devs get that treatment?
    Edited by Calgon at 04/08/07 @ 01:05

  • bonoboy007 #122 5 years ago

    there are rumours going about that the delay is due to not being able to get all data on the 360s dvd9 format if true this would show how much crap ANALists talk.

  • bonoboy007 #123 5 years ago

    why oh why do eurogamer continue to jump on the anti PS3 bandwagon even when other sites are begining to see its potential. Smells like MS$$$ have been rolling.

  • Xerx3s #124 5 years ago

    Always nice to see the SDF in action against the other zealots. Brings balance and tranquillity to the universe.

  • Garulon #125 5 years ago

    @Calgon
    "RStar are quite jammy beggers... both platform holders helping them improve their engine with their own super engineers, how many other devs get that treatment? "

    Sony have finally learned what Microsoft knew all along and hired a big Ninja Squad to fly out and code like bastards so MP games will finally stop sucking mud on the PS3 and draw parallel to the 360. Witness Colin McRae's DiRT and Unreal Engine 3. Huzzah, that £245 lump of old shit might finally draw close to a £200 console!

  • RexRunti #126 5 years ago

    @Calgon

    Sorry mate "only available on XBox 360" will always beat "in 6 months our version will be polished" especially when MS have the extra content. There is either a problem with both or one and contract issues (i assume the former).

    Oh and R* did say they were strugling to fit San Andreas on one disc before it was released, the final (xbox) version was 2.83 gig, not even worthy of dual layer. So I always take the "there's so much content we can't fit it on" with a pinch of salt. Remember a 1 gig demo includes pretty much the entire game engine it's just a few extra models and textures which make the game fully finished and unless there are hours of huge fmvs (like blue dragon or ff) then that isn't going to take up 8 gig.

    Edit: Confirming San Andreas size
    Edited by RexRunti at 03/08/07 @ 19:44

  • ronuds #127 5 years ago

    "Always nice to see the SDF in action against the other zealots. Brings balance and tranquillity to the universe."

    It always makes my day a bit brighter. Especially when they act completely at a loss about items that are general knowledge and have been for months.

    Acting like this couldn't even be possible, even though PS3 games have been getting delayed left and right. That simple fact doesn't make this true, but it's hard to avoid.

  • Jokerr #128 5 years ago

    "Oh and R* did say they were strugling to fit San Andreas on one disc before it was released, the final (xbox) version was barely 2 gig, not even worthy of dual layer. So I always take the "there's so much content we can't fit it on" with a pinch of salt. Remember a 1 gig demo includes pretty much the entire game engine it's just a few extra models and textures which make the game fully finished and unless there are hours of huge fmvs (like blue dragon or ff) then that isn't going to take up 8 gig"

    You're right. I heard PGR4 has a tonne of FMV. That's why they had to cut content from the game.

  • Scimarad #129 5 years ago

    Thanks, afghan_jones ; Never have I seen such an effective pre-emptive fanboy defense;-)

    Actually, I might already have the usual offender well and truly ignored, come to think of it...

  • dsmx #130 5 years ago

    I'm still trying to figure out why the analyst went after the ps3 what piece of evidence does he have that squarely points the finger at the ps3?

  • Steroyd #131 5 years ago

    I Still think the Core had a part to play R* have to develop it in mind and reports that the game was running like the PS2 versions on the Xbox 360 SKU where can the blame be squarely on PS3 if that was the case?

    Sure game releases are a few weeks apart between PS3 and Xbox 360 but 6 months is too extreme a delay to just be the PS3's fault.

    Not to mention this is the first time GTA has attempted a multiplatform release.

  • Calgon #132 5 years ago

    Didnt Rockstar say last gen that they always lead on the PC? Which is why San Andreas took little effort(the time between the releases was down to Sony's *bribe*cough* contract), it was already there, they started with that and squeezed as much as they could from the PS2...

    Garulon: Indeed Dirts engine(Neon) was built around Sony's new rendering platform with the help of Sony engineers... guess which version the devs think is the best?(although it would have been less obvious/more convincing had they released it at the same time as the other and been the best version... 360 dint do that bad considering)

    RexRunti 3gb? I doubt it was the same on the PS2 version, last gen alot of PS2 games that did fill up the disk was due to repeated content to speed up access times when streaming(blu ray can overcome its slowness with this too slightly... not like they are short on space there)... Xbox had the HDD which allowed them to use the greater transfer speeds aswell as the ability to compress alot more content if they wanted.

    Jokerr: Except Bizzarre never had the content in the first place to cut it and have infact said since that report on their site that it wasnt a matter of disk space(yet the usual haters ignored it).
    Edited by Calgon at 03/08/07 @ 21:32

  • JamesBrophy #133 5 years ago

    Any chance we can simply set analyst Michael Pachter to ignore?

    The amount of out right rubbish I've seen reported by analysts is ridiculous. Mabye a feature should be one of the process of these guys, the purpose of them and weather they actually hold any sway on the reality of the games industry.

    Are they putting out duff press releases to pump share prices in slow markets? Are they making big pronouncements about the games industry because of a lack of investor knowledge?

    Most importantly why does any games journalist take what they say with more then a grain of salt.

  • projectmayhem #134 5 years ago

    what? how in the name of god would an anaylist know why a developer has delayed a game, unless they explicitly say so. especially a developer as tight-lipped as R*...

  • smelly #135 5 years ago

    @projectmayhem: Well he probably knows a lot more than the geeks posting on forums such as these who (by reading all the above posts) seem to think they know why/how it happened :-)

  • figaro7 #136 5 years ago

    I dont even own a ps3 but this analyst is just that, anal. Its people like this that keep console gaming from reaching the glowing heights of maturism that it can be. Ofcourse maybe its just all taken out of context but why insult us anyway.

    "a delayed game can potentially be good, a bad game is bad forever" not saying the gtaIV will be a bad game, but framerate stutters, glitches and other odds can hinder the experience tenfold!

  • Penguinzoot #137 5 years ago

    I dont even own a ps3 but this analyst is just that, anal. Its people like this that keep console gaming from reaching the glowing heights of maturism that it can be. Ofcourse maybe its just all taken out of context but why insult us anyway

    TBH, I don't think what analysts think has any bearing on how immature console gaming is. It is the reactions of fanboys to analyst comments which shows how immature console gaming is.

    Analysts make these kind of pronouncements all the time in other areas of business without any of this kind of immature crap that follows an analysts statement. You don't see slavering hordes rushing to the trenches to defend their chosen car manufacturer over another car manufacturer, or one shipyard over another shipyard, or theior preferred detergent over another detergent.

    The problem has nothing to do with whether or this analyst or another analyst makes an informed or uninformed statement about x, y, or z. They are quite entitled to do that, and indeed are paid to do that. The problem is with the way some console gamers take what they say personally, and get all tribal about it.
    Edited by Penguinzoot at 04/08/07 @ 11:36

  • deaner #138 5 years ago

    Lot's of We think from people who aren't Rockstar in there.

    Speculation, or toss.

    Especially considering that if you Google this guy, the very first page that comes up states that he's "misunderstanding the games industry at a dizzying pace"

  • 3william56 #139 5 years ago

    afghan, it's posts like those which still make EG a tolerable place to come back to even when they insist on publishing idiotic tard bait like this. Nice work.

  • afghan_jones #140 5 years ago

    @3william56


    Cheers mate!