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Grand Theft Auto IV Review

PC Review by Kieron Gillen

1 December, 2008

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It's a powerful and flexible system, integrated like all of GTA's options into the in-game mobile-phone browser. Press F2 at any time and the last thirty-or-so seconds are stored to your hard-drive. Call up the replay editor, and you get to cut it, re-arrange angles on the action, caption it, soundtrack it and generally mess around. I especially like the ability to lob in filters over the action. And the word SEXY!!!! in capitals. That may just be me. The only real problem with it is the F2 aspect isn't as simple as "the last 30 seconds". It depends on how much your PC is having a little think right then. This unpredictability does lead to a little frustration when you think you've saved an action sequence which makes the end of John Woo's The Killer look like the Bridges of Madison County and you've only got half of it.

Also, there's the option of your own music in game. By lobbing music files into a set folder, you can play them on the new radio station, Independence FM. This can be used as a simple track player or - if you give the chance for the game to have a little think before playing - turned into a full radio station, complete with news bulletins and DJs insulting your choice in music. This is a not insignificant improvement to GTA IV. While the radio banter was all very well in the original and its use to forward the plot far more interesting than its traditional cut-scenes, if you just wanted to actually listen to a tune while you drove - which is always a sublime experience - you had to spin the dial far too often. Now, just load up a cross-genre selection of stuff you dig and you're away.

And immediately the delicious moments of game/music irony amp up. Yeah, the the first time LCD Soundsystem Get "Innocuous" dropped on the normal radio stations I had to drive around for its whole length to get my I-am-in-the-GTA-IV-advert-f***-yeah! thrill... but a moment of music/world immersion hit me pretty much every time I skipped to Independence FM. Accelerating away from a desperate cop fight as Iggy Pop's final scream in Death in Vegas' "Aisha" rocketed out of the speakers... Crystal Castle's remix of "Atlantis to Interzone" as I dodged traffic tearing over the bridges... Shellac's slaying-anthem "Prayer To God" or Miss Kittin's purring about taking a life as I'm on the way to a hit... Robyn's "Who's That Girl?" after a certain betrayal early in the plot. All magical. And hell, everything in GTA is always better when you've got Shampoo's "Trouble" yelping sarcastically in the background.

'Grand Theft Auto IV' Screenshot 3

This happens all the time when I go get the milk.

On a less surface level, the changes in multiplayer are inspired. And while the custom-game support to allow you to find appropriate games easier is a functional boon, its real appeal is as simple as crossing out one number and replacing it with another. That is, "16" swapped for "32". The possibility for mayhem of the best GTA game modes increases pretty much exponentially as you amp up the number of players. Until you've had 32 bikers line up on a starting line for a race around the centre of a city, you haven't really seen GTA IV at its most insane. That is, best. One of the general criticisms of GTA IV is that it's abandoned the dumb-but-fun ground to the dizzily stooopid Saint's Row while chasing other priorities. If you consider that true, 32-player chaos totally puts that idiocy back in. Any time I played, I honestly didn't care whether I won or lost. By playing, I'd totally won.

Any untotalling of the win happens outside the system. There's quite a lot of hoops you need to jump through outside the game. To play multiplayer, you have to have a (free, I stress) Games for Windows account plus another one for the Rockstar Social Club. You can skip the login of the latter (if you don't want multiplayer or uploading videos), but it does have to be running in the background. For Steam users, it's three processes in the background. It's not a lot of hassle, certainly, but it is a bit of hassle, and worth knowing if you're the sort who get angry when talking about DRM. While we're talking about that, there's online activation too.

Personally, that sort of transitory problem is the least of my reservations, and the reason that I'm gravitating towards a nine is elsewhere. It's not even the frame-rate issues. It's because, while the game's a genuine ground-breaking blockbuster in videogame history, there's a few more annoyances than I'd like for a ten. Primarily, a lack of mid-mission checkpoints is frustrating, especially in a game where failure is more often from a momentary high-speed crash accident on the way back from the actual bank raid rather than an actual failing of skill during a shoot out.

But seriously: a genuinely ground-breaking blockbuster in videogame history. There were moments playing GTA IV that I thought back to my initial experiences with games, and realised exactly how far we've come. There's never been anything quite like GTA IV in the world. That there makes me genuinely happy to be a gamer.

Also, beating up people and taking their money and stuff.

9/10

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Grand Theft Auto IV is due out for PC on 3rd December.

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Benno
01/12/08 @ 00:23
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Games are meant for consoles. PCs are meant for spreadsheets, word processing and porn.

This is the proof.
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01/12/08 @ 00:28
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What time is this to put this up?

I'm still not into GTA4, but the prospect of trying it out with 32-player sounds like this will be in my drive at Christmas :)
Ruruja
01/12/08 @ 00:28
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mmmmmmm Porn.
Peew971
01/12/08 @ 00:29
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Now Rockstar, get to work on that "Lost and Damned" DLC please...
ekko
01/12/08 @ 00:34
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NDA passed I presume.
Law07
01/12/08 @ 00:36
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FLOP ONLY A 9 etc.
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01/12/08 @ 00:38
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"a genuinely ground-breaking blockbuster in videogame history"

Nope.
hahayou
01/12/08 @ 00:39
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"functional boom," nice typo.

Would this reviewer have given it a 9 on console too?
UncleLou
01/12/08 @ 00:43
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" a few more annoyances than I'd like for a ten. Primarily, a lack of mid-mission checkpoints is frustrating"

Gah, why have they still not fixed this? This is the 4th game where it' been criticised.

Anyway, looking forward to it. Not the biggest fan of the series, but less San Andreas nonsense and a more serious approach and improvement of core elements like the driving and shooting is exactly what I wanted.

tonynibbles
01/12/08 @ 00:44
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Pretty lame sceenshots those, you gotta admit. I wouldnt mind seeing some maxed out settings on uber PCs though.

GTA IV was the most overhyped game of the year though. I'm still a bit disappointed with it now.

The recent zero punctuation review of Saints Row 2 sums up GTA IV perfectly.
Those invincible trees still piss me off too.
davisorle
01/12/08 @ 00:47
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Personally i was the least amused from this game.. I don't know why but i was too dissapointed :/ Boring same old GTA and nothing more.. Like the reviewer says "remembering but in the days" really after all those years the past episodes of the series offers nothing much for a blockbuster of this scale. Id expect way more..
BremXJones
01/12/08 @ 00:53
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hahayou: "Would this reviewer have given it a 9 on console too? "

Yeah, I think so. It's a high nine either way. Marking is an art not a science and all.

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01/12/08 @ 01:18
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Nope.. worst gta ever.. pile of boring crap.. the only gta where i couldnt be arsed to beat it... 4/10
Zappa
01/12/08 @ 01:28
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OMG, this game SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do not buy this trash you hermits.
David_Snakes
01/12/08 @ 01:37
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People are stupid.

Oh, the game. It's excellent
smelly
01/12/08 @ 01:55
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"There's never been anything quite like GTA IV in the world. "


Funny.. i found saints row 2 to be superior to gta4 in every way...
Skeletor
01/12/08 @ 02:06
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@smelly

Only question is what "ways" are you talking about? And please don't tell me "Don't know, was just more fun"...
Anasui
01/12/08 @ 02:28
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nice review, but this is one of those rare cases in which I disagree with EG. GTAIV is all ostentation and zero substance; script is phenomenally childish, moral choices are a joke, game's just a shooter with some driving sequences disguised as blockbuster

wait until you're driving to a mission and get the 134th call from Roman asking for titties, then we talk
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paketep
01/12/08 @ 02:36
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I am the sort that gets angry when talking DRM, and this is certainly too much.

And Games for Windows Live is a POS, free or not.

A pity about the 9, this is a big no sale for me.
Red Moose
01/12/08 @ 02:41
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SEXY!
Slipstream
01/12/08 @ 04:59
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GTA IV is still an amazing game, nice to see the reviewers of this site don't buckle under the pressure of bandwagon gamers.
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01/12/08 @ 06:22
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Why is it amazing?
Steroyd
01/12/08 @ 06:55
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"ground-breaking blockbuster"

...oh Eurogamer... -_-

The game just falls flat after you complete it, which makes it the worse GTA in the series to me.
betahoven
01/12/08 @ 07:18
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Is it still boring? GTA4 is a game that took all the fun out of the series and added loads of tedium. Lack of humour, lack of side-quests, full of chase sequences against invincible enemies. Niko willing to kill hundreds of people purely for money but there's nothing to spend it on. Who cares about multiple scripts for the cutscenes? Design the gameplay properly and I'll only need to watch them once. I also don't want to access the internet in a game, or watch Ricky Gervais, or take my fucking cousin bowling thank you very much. All pointless fluff that conceals the fact that the gameplay has gone backwards.
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01/12/08 @ 07:20
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"game's just a shooter with some driving sequences disguised as blockbuster"

Driving and shooting in a sequel to a game about criminals shooting and driving around, what an absurd notion...

I can't understand comments like this, what were you people expecting? 4 has always been a direct sequel to 3 NOT SA.

Don't listen to 'em Rockstar, your sequel to GTA3 (you know the one with shooting and driving) is an amazing experience (which I'll enjoy again just like all the other ones).


Looking forward to the next one but in the mean time welcome to liberty City PC
drumbaby
01/12/08 @ 07:39
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"And, in the middle, repugnant fanboyism sitting there unchanged."
mrt181
01/12/08 @ 08:28
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so it has online activation, did it at least get rid of the disc-in-drive check or do i have to look for a consumer-service-patch for this?
siro
01/12/08 @ 08:40
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Is it a different reviewer maybe?

One question about the review:
"Unlike the vast majority of PC games, its auto-calculation is more than a little optimistic, generally underestimating what your PC can manage for the logical reason that a less-attractive game is less annoying than a less-playable one."

Maybe I've only misread the sentence, but as far as I understood the wording, it means the default settings the game proposes would be giving a more stable frame rate than needed at the cost of eye candy? Surely it's the other way around as described in the following sentences.
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01/12/08 @ 08:48
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"There's never been anything quite like GTA IV in the world."

Except, yknow, GTAs 1, 2, 3, VC and SA. I mean, leaving aside the obvious differences between those titles, the above remark is a bit vacuous all the same. You could say it about any game ever made.

Anyway, it's very good but it's not quite as good as you think it is, I think. Hmm. The people here saying silly stuff like 4/10 and so on are just being wankers for the sake of it. It's not a perfect game by any means, though. It's not even a perfect GTA game. It has manifold problems. It's by and large a very good game though.

I sold my Xbox 360 copy a few months ago and decided I'd rebuy it on PC and maybe finish it, but mainly to experience multiplayer properly (console multiplayer online is still just unbelievably naff compared to PC). Looking forward to seeing what it's like.
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01/12/08 @ 08:51
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Well, the 4/10 came from smelly. If he's even played 1/10th of the games he has an opinion on, I'd be very surprised.
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01/12/08 @ 08:59
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Is it still boring? GTA4 is a game that took all the fun out of the series and added loads of tedium. Lack of humour, lack of side-quests, full of chase sequences against invincible enemies. Niko willing to kill hundreds of people purely for money but there's nothing to spend it on. Who cares about multiple scripts for the cutscenes? Design the gameplay properly and I'll only need to watch them once. I also don't want to access the internet in a game, or watch Ricky Gervais, or take my fucking cousin bowling thank you very much. All pointless fluff that conceals the fact that the gameplay has gone backwards.

Amen to that. This is precisely what's wrong with GTA4.
It's fun for a bit but once you've unlocked all of the islands there's not much to do but taxi around your virtual friends to restaurants and pool halls.
avoozl
01/12/08 @ 09:13
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I haven't played or even seen this game, but, I can't believe they made the driving realistic. Have they lost their minds? And now I'm hearing "lack of humour"? Uh, ohh.
Mogs
01/12/08 @ 09:19
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I'm surprised you think Halo is anything more than average given your knowledge of PC FPS's, Kieron.

Halo = Meh.

But that's another story.
Katsumoto
01/12/08 @ 09:21
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"Let me get this right GTA IV comes out on consoles and gets 10/10.....the exact game comes out on PC with added bells and whistles....and scores 9/10.....where is the consistency?"

Someone else reviewed it?!
thedaveeyres
01/12/08 @ 09:22
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HEY COUSIN, WANT TO SHOOT SOME POOL?
HEY COUSIN, WANT TO SHOOT SOME POOL?
HEY COUSIN, WANT TO SHOOT SOME POOL?
HEY COUSIN, WANT TO SHOOT SOME POOL?
HEY COUSIN, WANT TO SHOOT SOME POOL?
HEY COUSIN, WANT TO SHOOT SOME POOL?
Adam_T
01/12/08 @ 09:30
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Use of natch +1

Bit lame the site drops a point for pc though even though it's far better lol.
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Unlike the vast majority of PC games, its auto-calculation is more than a little optimistic, generally underestimating what your PC can manage for the logical reason that a less-attractive game is less annoying than a less-playable one. I had to knock down the default graphic options quite a bit on my PC (dual-core 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, 640MB GeForce 8800) until I got an acceptable rate, and even then there was the occasional really nasty drop.

Maybe it's just a Monday morning thing, but something in the first sentence seems wrong here.
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Katsumoto
01/12/08 @ 09:53
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oh dear.
mikew1985
01/12/08 @ 09:57
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@ Eighthours

Had a bit of bother with that my self but i'm fairly sure it should be overestimating.
UncleLou
01/12/08 @ 09:58
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It's so much nerdier to play the same game on a PC you need anyway than on a dedicated games machine in the living room.

Glol.
SliderNL
01/12/08 @ 10:11
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Disappointment of the year is more like it. I played it, completed it and was seriously annoyed. I liked the story but to claim it's a open world game... Your options are seriously limited, and it's the first game in which you have to manage your parking space for god's sake.
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01/12/08 @ 10:13
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I suppose it was either this or put the real PC classic scores up to 11.
Shabtai
01/12/08 @ 10:16
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If there was any integrity left in Eurogamer, this is surely seals the deal. It's sad to see a generally quality site, slide down the ladder.
There is no reason to give the PC version anything but 10. Did Kieron though the game was too hyped in the first place? Fine, post an editorial. Don't review the game, only 6 months later on the PC and suddenly drop the score. Reviews and reviewers are just sawing the branch they stand on. It makes you loke as a joke, all the accusations people make against the video game industry are only more valid.

With all due repsect for different reviewers and opinions, this is a cohesive site. If any game gets a certain score on one platform and 6 months laters it comes to another one, there is no way in hell to score it less. Seeing GTA4 for pc only improves the experience, scoring it lower is just a site's self-destruction.
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I'm looking forward to this!
Also very happy that there's no limit to installs as part of the DRM - means I'll be buying this unlike Spore or Mass Effect
Katsumoto
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Oh god it got a 9 not a 10 - get over it! It makes no difference whatsoever. Who. sodding. cares? They both mean it's a bloody great game, is that not enough?! Kieron said why he marked it down, what more do you want?

edit: removed caps and added exclams!
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Shabtai
01/12/08 @ 10:34
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His reason aren't sufficient enough for me to drop it down. I have no problem with the score itself, the game should have gotten a 9 on consoles. The problem is that it isn't helping Eurogamer or the declining status of video-game reviews. Scoring a better version of a game, 6 months after the original release, lower is just bullshit.

These are the cases where EG as a site and organization, should allign the scores and have their pull. No need to make the situation worse by having these inconcictencies. Just post an editorial saying you were sucked in the GTA4 hype machine when it was rlsed on consoles and therfore gave it a 10 when it shouldn't have.
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01/12/08 @ 10:48
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Yes the money thing is odd. You can buy guns and clothes but not cars or property. Or even drugs, maaan.
Still it's my game of the year.
merkdot
01/12/08 @ 10:49
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you can't compare scores like that.

this review is aimed at PC owners and is scored as such. This is clearly not a '10' on the PC. It has nothing to do with consoles and their limited libraries, lifespans and demographics.
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01/12/08 @ 11:11
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Splendid review as ever Mister G, nice mix of PC conversion examination and gameplay discussion, bravo.
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01/12/08 @ 11:13
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@Eighthours - Well spotted... I think the reviewer meant to say 'overestimated' not 'underestimated' otherwise his whole criticism falls apart because he's basically complaining that he had to lower the settings further to make the game playable. You certainly wouldn't be lowering them if the game had underestimated the settings!!! LOL

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