Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars Comments by Tom Bramwell

I agree with frankfurter209 and I agree with Krelle.

One thing this thread *has* been good for is populating my 'ignore' list.

Fightman, Evilfoxhound, Crofto et al . . . I hate you, but only short-time! :o)

Hands up he who got an R4 card!

/raises his hand

Thanks all you people who ignored fightman, I ignored him earlier today and thought I was being a little harsh. I read his comments again and will re-ignore, you helped sway my decision to a good decision.

Played this a bit yesterday on my mate's R4. Can honestly say I would not be buying. Meh.

Dear Eurogamer,

Could you please restart from scratch this comment thread, so we are given an opportunity to comment this excellent game like adults?

Kind regards,

A reader.

Crofto does really need to get out more so he can develop 'strong views' on social skills and become a 'big' normal person. If it gets your back up so much Crofto just don't read the site and go talk to your mum about some help with your homework.

/hits ignore

Sounds like a very good title though - the DS has been restricted to Picross and Prof Layton, it could do with a bit of non-pzzlle gaming

I am honestly amazed this got such a high score.
I would bet my life that it wouldn't have, just because EG have been trying to retract the 10/10 they gave GTAIV in increments since their review.

EG - stick by your scores.
The backtracking and backlash bandwagon-jumping you did on Halo 3 in your 50 games of the year a while back was disgraceful.

Anyone mentioning the recent console/PC game clearly didn't read the review.

The kids in this thread using embarrassingly colourful language are just going to download this game for free anyway (and then still bitch about it)

"EG - stick by your scores.
The backtracking and backlash bandwagon-jumping you did on Halo 3 in your 50 games of the year a while back was disgraceful."

In the games of the year articles all EG staff give their opinion on the games instead of just one person. Given that review scores are nothing more than personal opinions there's nothing wrong with showing that different reviewers value the gamer differently. I personally would love it if review scores were abolished but that will never happen because of their commercial value (simple to grasp = page hits = advertising = money). But a better approach than the current one might be to have multiple people review a game.

lord:

how so?

I HOPe THIS GAmE IS NOT LIKE COPS AND ROBBERS. GTA IV WAS LIKE COPS AND ROBBERS WITH DRIVING AND GUNS AND I WAs DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE IT WAS A !0 AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOd BUT I DONT LIKE COPS AND ROBBERS AND I WAS SAD.

Whine whine whine... GTA IV easily deserved a 10, started playing it again after TLND was released and it IS awesome. Saints Row 2 deserved a 10 as well (but didn't get it), but for diffrent reasons. Now this is a must buy! My DS will probably break because of this game but it will be mine! Oh yes... It will be mine!

'dispatched' \o/

I loled at Crofto's post. Don't take yourself to seriously guys, he had some funny remarks. And there's some truth in there, the days when Eurogamer was too little to get exclusives but could therefore meticulously kill every hyped game a week after the other reviews, are long over. It's on the bandwagon and dishing out 10s more than it should. Not to say that this game doesn't deserver the score, mind.

This review is spot on, there's no need for 100+ retarded comments.

I'm on it!!!

I've been playing this for the last couple of days using my flashcard (and, yes, I will be buying it, keep your pants on, I own all GTA games starting with III (bar Advance), some of them for multiple consoles) and I can honestly say it is mad fun. Yes, a lot of it is scaled/ cut down and some of it feels clumsy and you need to get used to it etc. BUT, the game has an insanely useful interface whatwith the touch screen and this is the first time I have felt like GTA is equal parts a managerial simulation/ strategy game as it is an action (well, sandbox action-adventure) game. On top of it, it has an insanely addictive drugs trade mechanic that I feel is a really excellent addition to the general GTA blueprint. Honestly, since it got unlocked, I haven't done any of the story missions as trafficking drugs has been so much fun. I think that people who complained that in GTA IV there wasn't enough 'extracurricular' content will find that GTACW actually offers many hours of cool stuff outside of the story missions.

As for the presentation, some of the graphics look silly or bad from time to time (like human pancakes when you run someone over with a car) but a lot of it looks really great and I haven't seen any slowdown so far. It IS amazing that the meagre DS can run this sort of 3D graphics, even with cel-shading. The music is also fantastic and while at first I missed the vocal tracks and especially the talk radio, after a while I realised that the game still feels like a proper GTA title even without them. The story, what little I have seen of it so far is, as Tom points out less on the dramatic side and more on the satirical side, with sometimes humour being a little heavy handed but GTA scripts were never really about subtlety anyway (well, GTAIV aside). The main character seems like a likeable chap and the cast I have seen so far is funny and engaging. All in all, Rockstar Leeds really invested a lot of effort in this game and it shows.

Potentially, the biggest problem so far is the somewhat short line of sight while driving (even at the highest zoom level) and the fact the minimap is on the bottom screen. I found out that I really have to drive at slow speeds (compared to other GTAs) to ensure avoiding crashes and making proper turns. The game does accommodate this, though, with its driving correction mechanic (can be turned off) and a little more relaxed policy that the police has towards traffic accidents. Then again, as Tom points out, there are A LOT of officers in cars and on foot out there and potential to be involved in a deadly chase is never far off (especially as there are random busts during drug trafficking).

All in all, it IS very much fun so far as it gives the player a lot to do and places to go without rushing you anywhere and having a save anywhere feature (outside the missions that is) definitely makes it a very good portable experience. I'd say that Rockstar did it again, but let's wait until I played a little more of it.

fightman is a gimp

fightman has never heard of capitals, apparently..

LOL 10!!!! to be honest it looks like gta 2 on pc version :P I think 10 is to much but well for ds why not .

fightman is a toolbox

When your only joy in life comes from trying your best to make others hate you, something has gone horribly wrong.
Anyone can be a provocative troll, but going as far as fightman is just sad.

I feel sorry for you, dude. Sit back and take a good look at your life before its too late.

lmephisto
The problem among the kommenters on EG is people like you, sir.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, everyone -should- have an opinion, but opinions like yours are just stupid.

You "think" its not worth a certain score based on what? Your own bias against the DS and a few trailers? Come on dude, you'r (probably) better than that.

GTA has a new home.

Fightman has multiple accounts hahahhaha. You mean you went and created a "b" account between last night and this morning when you found out everyone ignored you. hahah. Priceless

If this is a sales success, is GTA Wii next? And if they can make GTA a critical success on the DS, surely they can do the same on the Wii.

Just to join in with the pointless comments...


Surely this is the greatest thing ever to come from leeds

So how about that volcano ending in re5 eh ;-) ?

"Not comparing Shindler's List to GTA IV, only saying even in games fun isn't always the most important factor"


Erm... A film and a game are two different things.

Games by definition need to be fun. If you dont have fun playing games.. then i feel sorry for your gaming choices.

if there's no fun, what's the point?

"If this is a sales success, is GTA Wii next? And if they can make GTA a critical success on the DS, surely they can do the same on the Wii."


Not particularly arsed myself.

After feeling totally ripped off after buying "10/10" game gta4.. I wont be buying another gta game again in a hurry - regardless of platform

Wow. I feel embarrassed to be a Eurogamer reader if it puts in the same category as some of you psychos. Everyone moaning haven't even played the game. People take Eurogamer far too seriously. They give games scores out of 10. There's no conspiracy or anything. Ordered this off play today. ?18??? Where's the logic?!

Also, wow, Crofto. More like Cunto? AmIRight? I rarely say 'cunt' but you are in every sense a cunt. You're very witty, all that talk about how those popular games with metacritic scores of 90+ are actually really rubbish and Eurogamer are, like, so the only website that rate them highly and therefore are a crap website. Yes, very clever. Also, where do you stand that Eurogamer gave Gears 1 an 8, lower than virtually every website and Glaxy and Okami 10 a piece? THAT'S RIGHT, you dumb cunt. Cunt.

This comments thread needs more The Wire references.

When you walk through the garden, you better watch your back!

Agree with that, it didn't read like a 10. Not really much detail abotu the actual missiosn either, i was expecting some more info about the nature of it being chinatown wars.

I've pre-ordered on Play and I've also got in my R4. It's well-worth 10/10. If it's not, no game is. GTA4 was over-rated. I didn't like it because of the constant interruptions ("Hey, cuzzin! Let's gor borlink!")

GTA: CW is superb because it's back to the GTA where you do what you like and the missions are there when you're ready. Yeah, the e-mails are there but that's your route to money, safehouses and weapons. I can spend hours just dealing drugs!

This, ladies and gentlemen, deserves the hard-earned cash to be spent on it. Look into your heart, you know it to be true.

As the R4 has come up a couple of times, I wanted to ask a question.

Is it legal to have a copy of the game on an R4 cart if you own an original copy too?

I quite fancy the convenience of having all my games on the one cart...

Ahh, I'd forgotten all about Fightman. Lower your defences and try being nice to people, you'll have a better time of it, honest.

yeh thats legal

@ evilfoxhound

You are a dildo, sir. You never disappoint.

Its not fucking legal.

Well done to all the pricks mentioning the names of their Flash cards every 5 seconds. You've probably just converted another 20 people to piracy.

Hope you enjoy your time playing games of this scale, as we will probably be the last generation who will be able to.
Piracy will reduce everything to low risk ipod games.

it is legal to backup a game you already own. Just like putting all your cds on your i-pod is legal.
obviously downloading and distributing copyright material is not but thats not what he asked.

>Hope you enjoy your time playing games of this scale, as we will probably be the last generation who will be able to.

What a fucking stupid comment, like there was no piracy on the Spectrum, C64, Amiga, Playstation etc, etc.
It has been here as long as media that can be copied, and it has not been the end of the videogame industry.

Let's not forget the current gen has a system in PS3 that has thus far proved to be totally un-hackable, if Sony manage this for PSP2 and PS4, then I guess it will make everyone happy (and they will sell less consoles as a result!)

Yes, I own a flash card, and mainly use if for ZXDS and LemmingsDS, but when something like this comes along I will give it a try to see if the Hype and 10/10 scores are true - in this case it is and I will be buying this (like the other 21 games sitting in boxes I thought it worth spending my hard earned on).

If people pirate and then go on to regularly use that piece of software without paying, that is the real problem, but assuming that everyone who owns a flashcard or puts a custom firmware on their PSP is doing so to rip off games is a massive mistake!

Bah... I guess that me turning impressionable youngsters to piracy was inevitable because I mentioned I have a... flashcard!! And that I use it to... play retail games early (in addition to emulators and homebrew, yes) !!! The youngsters in question were, however sure to not miss the part of my post where I mention I have bought all GTA games since III (bar Advance because I never owned a GBA). Which makes for six games. Eight if you count that I have LCS and San Andreas for two different formats. I also own Manhunt 2 and Warriors. Which makes for ten Rockstar games I have shelled money for over some years even though I have played all these games some days/ weeks early via pirate copies. The youngsters now see the wisdom of my ways and will surely do as I do because they are... impressionable.

In all seriousness, I fully understand that industry needs to be supported if it is to survive and I understand people being very sensitive when someone comes up and mentions playing off an illicit copy of the game, but, since I can not speak for others, in my case, what Gabe Newell said about pirates being just unconverted customers and piracy being a case of wanting to sample the product on time/ early rather than with many weeks or months of delay, all that is true. For me. I have money to buy games. I buy games. End of.

EG's 10/10 scores are largely meaningless these days anyway.

Cawley, you can't compare the piracy of the Spectrum age to Curren gen. The internet's changed the game completely.

Also, has anyone heard the song DOOM and ghostface did for this? It's pretty good, as is the remix.

"Crofto (aka Darth Ultimo on Xbox Live) has most recently played RESIDENT EVIL 5, Fable II, Gears of War 2, and The Orange Box on Xbox Live and has a gamerscore of 17410."

Crofto on Fable 2: "Fable II is essentially the original game in High-Def. It has the same flaws as the original game, and as an RPG doesn't push any boundaries nor challenge what is already on offer in the best RPGs out there"

Crofto on GoW: "The story is shit, the characters are shit, the setting is shit, and the game does absolutely nothing that is above moderately entertaining. But heck, there are enough guns and explosions in this game to make me - an uninformed little cretin - think that this game is superb."

Pretention fail.

Why does Crofto look like a Hobbit?

A constipated Hobbit at that...

"Crofto on Fable 2: "Fable II is essentially the original game in High-Def. It has the same flaws as the original game, and as an RPG doesn't push any boundaries nor challenge what is already on offer in the best RPGs out there" "



Erm.. but it is.. it even has the same story/same twists as the original.. Remember in the original where you go to the prison camp? In fable to you sail to one...

It's easy, short, and ultimately boring...

When mums are buying kids presents of a DS and flash card you have to tart worrying.
Kids are growing up seeing absolutely nothing wrong with it