Grand Slam Tennis Comments by Kristan Reed

Looks like Peter Moore can put ye back on the xmas card list.

Excellent, this and forum opinion appears to sway in favour of GST over VT, so that's my decision made.

Damn, now I have to think about getting this. £80 for 4 WMP though O.o

This is more like it. Seems more in line with other reviews and I think i will buy it.

Good on ya for rereviewing this. Really did sound good from user impressions.

Looks like I'll be purchasing this some point soon then. Just for reference I got two motionplus devices for a shade over 30 quid at Amazon, cheapest I could find.

@tossetaz
Comes bundled

From reviews I was very 'meh' about anything released so far for MP, and thought that continuing with Wii Sports Tennis (which I still think plays brilliantly) would suffice until Wii Sports Resort arrives.

This re-review has me sorely tempted by GST though.

Anyone know when the next MP supported game is due out?

farticusmaximus,

Tiger Woods is out next week and Wii Sports Resort is out in a month.

Not sure about any others.

@MrED209 You can use it to filter out messages which has a score below your threshold.

Tits ass fuck shit piss cunt.

/watches karma count

Great, its nice to get some clarity on which is the better tennis m+ game. I will hopefully get this soon


this new threshold thing is quite good

So this is the better one this time? :S

Well done EG - that's far more representative of the game I've been playing. Top marks for honesty :) I have to agree it does feel quite austere and antiseptic offline. The matches themselves are challenging though ( first game in ages I've had to set on Easy to enjoy :) ).

Hiddenaway - iirc WMP is coming bundled with a load of WMP compatible games ( certainly Wii Sports Resort and possibly TW10? ) so I wouldnt advise buying 4 WMP dongles instantly...

edit:

@farticus - it's definitely worth a punt. There's also VT2009 which is already out and I think WSR and TW10 ( which I think looks great ) are out within the next week or two.

Nice re-review, Kristan. The balance of the universe has been restored!

Sounds great!

Also sounds like it makes the case for an official wireless nunchuck quite a bit stronger.

Or does WMP always come bundled with the game?
There is a bundle version, but you can get it alone also. Bought mine bundled for 49€.

One question though. When playing ranked online (was not able to yet), you are playing for your country, right?
How is "your country" determined, by choosing a flag?

When is the re-review of RE 4 coming? :)

I wonder how many of the metacritic reviews would require re-reviewing to reflect what the game is actually like when played with a working Wii MotionPlus. Most of the lower scores seem to point out the controls as the game's main issue. One reviewer (from Gameplayer.se) didn't even get a Motionplus with his review copy. The result: 5/10.

What's happened to the comments? It's gone all Daily Mail!

Some people may not have motionplus though so it is still fair to have reviews of the game without it.

Oh God! Eurogamer, your honesty could of cost me 60 euro. :(

While i expected more than a 5 an 8 is superb, its a great game that you really get along with once youve gotten a hang of the controls.

yeah this rating thing is a bit stupid, OH NO IM GONNA GET - 50 FOR THIS :)

also, im glad to see that EG bit the bullet and re-reviewed, they earn honesty point (and brownie points) for that

I'll gonna wait til they start bundling the motionplus into the wii controllers, then I might finally get a wii. Nice to see they finally got around to fixing one of the wii's most obvious flaws - the inaccuracy of the controls in some games. Just got to wait for a few more games to come out and make use of them. Of all the consoles though, the wii has the best track record of getting people to buy peripherals for it, its broken the age-old attach rate for these things (just look at wii fit for example!)

NOTE TO KRISTEN: I'm glad to see that this game has been re-appraised fairly but I still believe there's one fairly major omission, which is the comment about the cost of the game with 2 Motion Plus units. The review suggests that the only way to get the full set up is by investing an additional £40 on top of the £30-40 cost of the game itself (a total cost of £70-£80 for just this one game with 2 Motion Plus units). What you fail to draw light upon is the fact that the motion plus can be bought bundled with the game for between £39 and £45 at most major retailers, making its additional cost as part of a bundle only £15. Admittedly additional units still retail at £20, but can be bought with Wii Sports Resort (in a few weeks) for roughly £40. That means there's a total cost of between £79 and £85 for TWO games and two motion plus accessories - which does not seem too hefty a price tag at all (assuming Wii Sports Resort lives up to it's hyped potential).

He sunk it in up to his balls.

God, its almost sickly on its praise (the new review). Talk about kissing butt. I`m suprised it was not a 9 or 10 with such glowing controls!

Anyway, Thanks for the re-review. You have made up my mind. I`ve just got to twist my own arm to shell out for something on the wii, cos I have not touched it for a year.

What's happened to the comments? It's gone all Daily Mail!

Y'see, now you don't have to provide counter-arguments to a point you disagree with. You simply hit the minus. The more minuses a poster gets, the higher the chance he gets hit by a car the day after and goes to Hell.

That's more like it!

The 'revised' review reflects my experience....online is where it's at. Although I'll add that the experience is at it's best not just with M+ but when a nunchuck is connected. Having full player and swing control is what makes it a superb immersive experience. Only shame is the need to use buttons for drop and lob. You can almost do a drop with a very gentle slice, but I guess having everything on motion would have made it too twitchy.

M+ can go a bit wonky if you've been swinging it around like a nutter, so you do occasionally need to keep the controller still for a couple of seconds to allow it to recalibrate.

Ok so interested again. What happened in first review? Was the test MP broken..?

edit. Oh i see. I read the editors blog. :p Stop dipping my karma now plz. Well done for correction EG.

All I see this re-review as nothing more than the Gamespot fiasco as nothing more than getting heat from the publisher so EG you lose credibility. You should have stuck to your original assessment because the game does have control issues. I've had to resort to playing with two hands with the motion plus controller or the slightest movement of a forehand shot will result in a swing and a miss. Quite frustrating indeed.

The game is incredibly fun if it not were for the controller quirks.

Rumours persist that EA dropped full 1:1 control for this release fairly late on because of the learning curve (remember that video from a few months back?), so I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was an "advanced" control setting in next year's version. As well as an expanded career mode, natch.

hey.. instant fanboy removal.. i like this new system!

Might go out and get this game !

Wow - review version 2 is overwhelming positive. More comprehensive too - there was no mention of the party game stuff in review 1, which is (like it or not) a big factor in Wii games. Maybe Tom should help with Wii reviews more often :)

Shame about having to press buttons for lobs and drops, but it doesn't sound like it spoils the game. I think I might have to give this a go now - MP tennis was the best part of Wii Sports for me.

The note about motion-sensing publicity is so true - Microsoft and Sony do the talking, while Nintendo deliver the goods. I can only assume they signed a pact with the devil to have had such good fortune this generation.

Now that I know WMP is crucial and improves the experience of this game I may give it ago, and will know soon enough if this re-review was just.

>Some people may not have motionplus though

it comes.. with.. the .. game!

The "no motionplus" thing is only relevant if you only bought 1 and are playing in multiplayer.

But that WASNT the reason this got re-reviewed... (or so they say)

>Microsoft and Sony do the talking, while Nintendo deliver the goods.

Well i can see sony's thing working well (maybe better) with something like this. Cant see natal working, for one it'd have to be single player only - and second, any demo they showed with mo-cap had a major lag between person doing, and it happening on screen.

Still dont think i'll get this, i tire of sports games very quickly

It does come as a standalone game as well, btw.

Is it just me that now ignores any comments that are showing and goes straight for the "below threshold" responses?!

Played this for about 3 hours last night (and Virtua Tennis for about an hour) with M+. GST is the best of the two (at least initially) due to me being highly irritated by having to point the remote at the screen EVERY point in VT2009.

M+ is a little circumspect at times - the 1:1 mapping is less than stellar in either title but seems to fluctuate much less in VT2009 - no doubt as a result of the annoying screen pointing on every point.

Which side the computer is going to hold the racket in GST seems to be dependant on where the ball is relative to your avatar as much as where you hold the racket/M+ - which is a real shame.

Seems Eighthours was right about the lack of 1:1 controls which is a massive shame as in it's current form the old Wii mote could probably have a stab at this without the M+. So much so that I went on-line to try figure out if the M+ was working at all (you can tell it is by doing slight rotational movements of the racket and see it tracked on screen).

Here's where EA talked about dropping 1:1 http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/con...

Thomas Singleton – who is the producer of EA's Grand Slam Tennis on the Wii – explained to TechRadar, in an exclusive interview on Wii MotionPlus, that the 'fidelity' of the Wiimote with the MotionPlus add-on was such that they had to make it less sensitive for the game.

High fidelity

"It truly is giving you that one-to-one control movement of your arm motion and then mapping it directly to that one-to-one movement of your character on screen," said Singleton.

"At times it's overly responsive. It had so much fidelity that at times we have limited that fidelity to make it a compelling experience and giving you full total control."

Hmmm, surely he realises his second sentence directly contradicts the first? It is not 1:1 by a long stretch - EA know it isn't and have actually made sure it isn't.

At best it recognises if you have hit the ball with the Wiimote angled down (for slice) up (for top spin) and the oft impossible (horizontal for a flat shot). |Your avatar also skips about all over to complete a shot - even if the ball was on his opposite side when you swung i.e. even more forgiving than the tennis of Wii Sport!

All in all I am severely unimpressed with this fudged implementation of M+. The idea (for me at least) was that it would make the game require more skill to play - that is not the case, 1:1 has been dropped by EA and Kristan was on the money with the 5/10 it's a big disappointment.

Might have to spend some time on VT2009 today (if I can get over pointing at the screen every bloody point).

EDIT - forgot to turn italics off and played both using Nunchuck as well as M+ - realised I hadn't pointed that out

Nice re-review chaps, my faith is restored in EG :)

Btw, don't get a second Motion Plus for this like I did if you are getting Wii Sports Resort because I cannot find anywhere online that is selling Wii Sports Resort without the Motion Plus. On the plus side WSR is only £39.99.

An hour of gameplay in-so far the most counter-intuitive tennis game I have ever played and I want to smash Pat Cash's face in.