Gran Turismo's Kazunori Yamauchi Comments by Rob Fahey

@swam

"Your answers to comments about PS3 games prove this. "

Erm..OK.. I'm sure I just made this statement -

"GT5P looks pretty amazing visually (better than any other console racer to date imo)"

It seems you conveniently forgot or have selective reading abilities. You can't even make one single post without using the word "XBOT".. Either you're the biggest wind up merchant of all time or you actually have problems man...Seriously.

The term "fanboys" and Xbot inparticular in this case have lost almost all meaning because of people like you who throw these terms around at everyone who doesn't agree with you. Infact, Headbog and Swam fit the description of fanboy more than anyone else here.

Fanboy: An arrogant person who goes into an outburst every time something he likes is questioned. Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys.

And seeing it in motion doesn't make the fact the backgrounds are images any less blatent. It still looks rather jaring, and all of the footage you posted is from replays, not actual ingame footage. All of these racing games use numerous effects and filters to make the game look significantly better during replays. The Gamespot comparasion you posted was particuarly disgraceful for this, almost every single image that was posted of GT5 was not ingame and/or publicity shots, where aswith PGR it seems as if the poster was going out of his way to find poor shots.

I won't try to pretend PGR is the better looking game, because it's certainly not, however that was an extremely biased comparasion. And of course it doesn't take into account the fact that PGR has full whether effects, rain, snow and dirt that effect all the vehicles and build up during the races, as well as the cars becoming damaged.

After playing GT5P it a while it felt a bit soulless, I do think the AI let it down. As mentioned there has been some tricks uesd in the background etc which I found a little distracting when first noticed but soon forgot about.

As for the comparison to Forza to me the only thing it has better is the looks, with that Forza does more than enough to be pleasing to the eye and doesn't hinder gameplay.

I prefer PGR4 but I believe this will be because I lean towards arcade racing and I believe PGR has got the perfect blend or sim, arcade and looks for it to be very well balance but I can see how this would appeal to everybody.

Screw this I prefer Ridge Racer, not realistic in anyway, but hey you get to slide cars a mad ways and its fun!

Have we forgot we play games for fun?

So far I've been really disappointed with GT5P :-(

It looks great and I really like some of the menu touches they've added (the Audi-esque car coming at you out of the dark after you've bought it), but there are quite a few moments where it feels like the franchise has remained stuck in the past. Of course these things are damage, collisions (which are ridiculous) and A.I. I know they have supposedly worked on the A.I. but I can't really notice a huge leap forward.

I have an Xbox & PS3 and as much as I've enjoyed seeing GT5P's lovely graphics, I'm finding myself playing FM2 again. Maybe the updates will address these niggles, but I have to say that it's a shame more hasn't evolved since GT4.

In a nutshell, by headbogs entire family, who seem to be actually posting: anyone who owns a xbox is an xbot. if you want to be a "beter person" you have to post a lot in the most ridicule way about PS3 - that even applies if you have one, or even if you actually like to play with it.

Its the last breath of a dying breed. This ridicule "war" is definetly dead.

Pretty well put WinterSnowblind

Im gonna guess Swam replied to my last post as yours appeared directly below mine, fortunatly I can't see it.

I bought a GT5p PS3 bundle today. As I thought it' ok. But if anything was actually changed from GT4 except for visuals my name is Kazunori Yamauchi

headbog is a total imbecile tbh. Very similar to Les...OK for comedy value until they get boring that is...

"We don't reference any other games when we're making Gran Turismo - it's purely based on what we want to achieve as a game.
Actually, I have difficulty playing other games for over five minutes. A lot of the low-level quality just stands out so much in other games that I can't stand them!"
Well he let the cat out of the bag with that one. Probably has difficulty playing other games for five minutes as he has to rush back and jot down more things to add to GT5 after playing them. Like skid marks, damage and more realistic sound .

I still fail to see why you need to render 3d mountains what possible benefit does that have? When your driving in a race with 15 other people around you at 150 mph the last thing your going to do is look at the mountains around you. I would rather they spent there time on the cars and immediate trackside objects, you know that stuff that you actually pay attention to while driving.

That's a bit back to the 80s..., I mean since Outrun devs tend to try to deliver the whole experience, which includes the landscape. I never drove at 150mph, the most I did was 220 km/h ( around 135mph) but, and although all my atention was on the round, if someone removed the scenery, itd be weird.

I see the hate has not ended.

I will chip in: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue does not have any Porsches so FUCK IT.

I'm not saying remove the scenery, I'm saying my bother rendering the mountains in 3d when all your ever going to get is a fleeting glance?

Nah, the more graphic detail the better imo, even if it only adds the tiniest bit more realism then it's all good. It's just natural progression and it's important imo, otherwise we'd still be playing games with PS1 graphics (although I know many a loyal Wii fan has no problem with this, I'm a graphics whore and I personally do)

"I'm not saying remove the scenery, I'm saying my bother rendering the mountains in 3d when all your ever going to get is a fleeting glance?"

Of course it's silly but the haters will grab every straw they can. Put them on your ignore list and make this a better place. For you and for me and the entire human race... ;)

Les, how is appreciating advancement in visuals (however small) being a 'hater'? Are you even following the conversation, or?

I'm only for advancement in visuals if it enhances the game, what possible advancement does 3d mountains give us if you are hardly ever looking at them? It would be like rendering every room inside a building you can only see for a few seconds in a game, nice to do but totally pointless in practice.

I am actually quite enjoying GT5P; however I have noticed the following (you decide whether or not they are flaws or shortcomings):

1. In some tracks (Eiger Norwand), the spectators are properly modelled in 3D and move, but in others, they are just stationary 2D bitmaps (the speedway track whose name I have forgotten). This is horribly inconsistent and makes the replays look crap. I would rather race around a track with no spectators at all than cardboard cut outs.

2. The sound effects are not particularly convincing. The tyre noises are particularly unrealistic, but the biggest problem is with the engine noises. None of the cars I have obtained so far (e.g. Golf GTI, Focus ST, Z4 3.0i, WRX STi) sound anything like the real thing. I didn't much care for Forza 2, but the engine and tyre squeal noises are far more convincing.

3. Regarding the AI of opponents... you can quite easily use the opponent cars to pinball around corners, as the barely move when you slam into them at top speed. I use this technique on Eiger Nordwand to get round the tight corners... drive in at full speed on the inside of an AI opponent and use them as a brake... then drive off again. Thought this was supposed to be a driving simulator though.

4. Changing between cars is ridiculously convoluted. There are all these stupid rules like "you can't sell a car you are currently using" ... why the fuck not? I've paid money for this game... don't tell me what I can't fucking do; design the user interface so I can do what I need to do to play the fucking game. Honestly, I don't think I've ever played another racing game that makes the business of switching cars so laboriously tedious. If you want to sell your car, let it warn you and then switch to one of your other cars. If you have the wrong car for a race, let it allow you to select the right one without having to go back 3 layers (and at least one loading screen) to the main menu again. Bad UI design = lazy or stupid developers.

@dsmx

"I'm only for advancement in visuals if it enhances the game, what possible advancement does 3d mountains give us if you are hardly ever looking at them?"

It enhances the game in the short time you are looking at them, simple. Yeah it's not a massive deal but how can improvement be seen as a negative (even if the improvement is so minimal it's hardly noticeable it's still a good thing, surely?)

I do understand what you're saying but you could say the same of so many things, I mean remember back in the PS1 era when bystanders or even trees in racing games used to basically be 2D cardboard cutouts? It didn't make the games unplayable but I'm glad things have improved. I mean, you could argue that any minor advancement on its own is inconsequential but over time little things improve and we get from the visuals of GT1 to GT5P. Basically I just don't agree with the notion that a small improvement is not worthwhile, any improvement is better than none.

@Zero_Cool

"Kazunori Yamauchi does play other racing games as stated on the CVG interview (bottom of the page):
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/art...
Eurogamer (again) is full of shit. "

Are you mental? The bit of the EG article you are referring to are HIS OWN WORDS. So if anyone is full of shit, its Kazunori Yamauchi, you seem to be saying.

Enagage mind before opening gob.

@Apologie

You must realise you are doing more harm than good to your bonkers fanboy cause. You MUST see that, surely?

And if you are getting paid (I suppose its possible), whoever pays you should fire you for the same reasons. Unless they are an idiot, in which case, I recommend you continue to take their money :)

@swam

Jesus dude, if you want something to cuddle get a teddybear. A lot less sharp edges than a games console.

Issues.

/also owns a PS3 and doesn't "care" about it.

I do understand what you're saying but you could say the same of so many things, I mean remember back in the PS1 era when bystanders or even trees in racing games used to basically be 2D cardboard cutouts? It didn't make the games unplayable but I'm glad things have improved.

LOL! They're 2D cardboard cutouts in some of the GT5P tracks...

I love these games, but they are games, and this guy is a bore.
God help us if they make a RPG I hope I wont have to do everything in that,
it could be harder than real life.

@m0thr4

"LOL! They're 2D cardboard cutouts in some of the GT5P tracks..."

Not to anything like the same extent as an older game, which was quite obviously my point, I just said things have improved (visually) and they quite obviously have.

@swam

If it's as good as you're saying it is, and I wouldn't know either way, why don't you just go and fkn play it instead of trying to wind up half the population of EG?

It's good but not as good as being an e-tard?

I'm not arguing about things that are close to the track like spectators they should be 3d however distant objects like mountains do not to need to be in 3d. I fail to see why you need something that is miles away to be rendered in 3d when it adds nothing to the game.

nobody mentioned about the weather in this version of the interview.

some of the other transcripts mention that yamauchi is putting varied weather conditions in gt5(full), and those words came straight from the big buy's mouth...

Just wanted to chime in, here. I have three workmates who bought their PS3's, recently, for this game.

Each of them went out and bought it from GAME, at the same time.

Each of them went online, in the evening, and had a go.

Each of them brought it into work the following day, took it back to GAME and swapped it. Successfully, I might add.

They were intensely disappointed with it but I haven't asked why, yet. Still, food for thought.

Swam Vs Fottari.

Footari wins.

Swam wins most 'nonsensical and logically lacking arguemnet skills' award.

It seems a lot of 360 owners may have veered of the racing line into this comments page. Face it Forza 2 (Bought it, played it, got bored) is good but it's not great, especially the A I which is rubbish. The GT series is the only car game where all the cars do drive differently and each one needs time (hence a lot of people can not do it) to master. Yes prologue has faults but it is Prologue, by the time GT5 is released these will be ironed out. So get with it, it costs £20 and is worth it and with the extra stuff coming out for it, it will be even better value by the end of the year.

"Each of them brought it into work the following day, took it back to GAME and swapped it. Successfully, I might add. "

Is this actually true? The few GAME stores in my area are extremely adamant that you cannot exchange (or refund) an opened/used product, unless of course it's faulty.

Taken from the GAME website -

Returns for Store Purchases:

Purchases made in store can be returned to any of stores (check our Store Finder to find your nearest GAME Store) under the following conditions.

* Any product (excluding gift vouchers/gift cards) may be returned for refund or exchange within 28 days of the purchase date, providing that the seal remains unbroken.

@muzzer77

Look, I like GT5P but your last post was just as ridiculous as headbogs nonsense tbh, so I'll dissect it line by line for you...

"Face it Forza 2 (Bought it, played it, got bored) is good but it's not great"

Sorry mate but Metacritic, GameRankings, EG and pretty much everyone apart from headbog/swam seems to agree that Forza is actually pretty great (that doesn't mean I'm dissing GT5P, just stating fact).

"especially the A I which is rubbish."

Admittedly, I've perhaps seen better AI but never in a GT game...

"The GT series is the only car game where all the cars do drive differently"

Hmm, is GT the only driving game you've played?

"each one needs time (hence a lot of people can not do it) to master"

Sorry but that's just weak man, nobody finds fault in GT because it's "too hard".

"Yes prologue has faults but it is Prologue, by the time GT5 is released..."

Let me stop you there, by the time GT5 is released Forza 3 and PGR 5 will probably be out, so...

"get with it, it costs £20 and is worth it"

Forza 2 is £9.99 from Argos and has been for months...and it is the better game, don't go by my words, check the reviews.

The audio issue in this game is blatantly due to to a lack of RAM to store the samples.

The cardboard cutout people is due to the game chugging if full 3D characters are placed in those locations.

We should all know that they set the bar way too high saying 1080p 60fps

now they're doing only 960x1080 and they're sacrificing other parts of the game to make the graphics look decent.

Lovely cars, though! Gorgeous game, but the whole thing is like a playable car porn demo.

Wow, you lot are up late. Im in Australia and its lunch time so god knows what time of the morning it is over there.

in regards to the Forza vs GT.

I think Forza wins in the physics (collision/handling), damage & A.I departments. Which should make it the clear winner.

Yet, I found Forza so boring and souless. There just were not enough tracks to keep me interested. That was the biggest let down for me, I could live with the average graphics but pretty much every event/championship/cup consisted of the same tracks.

I grew up on the GTgames and it has always been a system seller to me. If Polyphony can sort out the AI & collision detection with their trade mark graphics and volume of content then I will buy a PS3. no qualms.

However, if it is just GT4 HD then I will be a very dissapointed 'xbot'

I'm loving every second I spend with GT5p. I am a follower of the saga. I bought a PS3 to play it.

I tried other racers and I had the same reactions Yamauchi had - some of the stuff I considered important (how the cars looked and felt, for instance, or how gratifying was being in possession of them within the realms of the game) was low quality on my standard, which is a GT standard.

I am not interested in damage over anything else. If it's there and fits the experience, I might give it a try. But I am more concerned with the visual feeling of realism of my car and those around me than with damage. To me, to my car game driving tastes, Polyphony's development strategy is the right one, that's why I'll keep supporting it. And I have a feeling there are millions out there who feel the same. GT doesn't need the sales leader to maintain its philosophy. I think Forza is very decent, and if more people find Forza suiting their taste better than GT, I understand. That's fine. They just have a different taste. To me, there is no question about not only which one is best but which one is developed the right way.

If only they could do that a bit faster...

@Rodney - I completely agree with your comments on Forza 2, it might be the more realistic game but I found it got dull very quickly because I'd played most of the content in the first game, a game I thought was absolutely brilliant at the time and far superior to the PS2's GT3/GT4. The trouble with Forza 2 isn't that it hasn't advanced enough, it was that the first game was so ahead of its time that this sequel really doesn't feel much different. That Turn 10 took the lazy route when it came to the sequel's tracks resulted in the Career mode quickly becoming stale. What's the point in having over 300 cars if you have to race around the same old tired routes? And why only 8 cars on the track? If the game had had 50 new tracks then those lacklustre 'Xbox 1.5 standard' graphics wouldn't have mattered but as it was the actual game felt like an absolute chore to play at times and I was surprised at how quickly I got bored of it (level 34).

@Darren

I agree that the number of tracks in FM2 is minimal and that is definitely a shame but that's really the one and only downfall of the game imo. The graphics aren't the best ever seen in a racer but we all know that's because the game is designed to do a lot of things other than just look 'pretty' (as has been mentioned by numerous other posters) and to be quite honest I'd much rather have "lacklustre 'Xbox 1.5 standard' graphics" than lacklustre PS1 gameplay, and we all know that that's basically what we've got with GT5P. I find this unfortunate because I loved GT ten years or so ago on the PS1 but I've played it to death. Once the allure of the glitzy visuals in GT5P wears off, I'm basically left with a ten year old experience that I'm quite frankly a bit bored of now...

Anyone still have doubts that GT became a tech demo, and a place where brands show their cars on a "game"? I realy believe that is true that it's Audi and friends who don't allow for damage modeling. You aren't supposed to play "GT" you suppose to look at it.

Les, seems more and more fucked up with the whole world, he wants to put the whole world on ignore and just listen to himself.

@Kryon

Yeah, swapped them out, no bother. One came back with DMC4, one with Eye Of Judgement (bargain at 39.99 with the Eye, btw) and the last with UT3.

Maybe its because they all stumped up more cash with GTP being cheap but the lads in GAME around here are fairly decent about swaps.

@George Roper

Your lucky to have lenient staff in your local store man, the manager in the GAME near me is a total cock-cheese, he'd rather feltch his own grandmother than exchange an opened product, the only reason I still shop there is because of the loyalty card scheme :(

LOL! You just made me spit coke over my work LCD and keyboard...

Sticky!

Forza2 is boring as hell in single-player career mode. Its fun hot lapping (the cars feel great IMO) with all helpers turned off. Its superb fun racing online against other 'humans' around the Nordschleife! Superb track.

I haven't played the GT demo, and I say this as someone who would have bought a PS3 for GT5, but really, it's still not out and people don't sound that impressed with this taster. Good physics/feeling and Online is where its at for a racer (never thought I'd say that) and this, currently, is where GT appears to fall flat.

@Zero_Cool

"Eurogamer is full of shit...just look at the pointless 360 Vs PS3 articles!! lol."

Stop trying to change the subject, muppet.

Ok after some decent time playing this ill say what I think by replying to some stuff here

I completely agree with your comments on Forza 2, it might be the more realistic game but I found it got dull very quickly because I'd played most of the content in the first game

I totally agree with Forza 2 being very similar to FM. It felt almost exactly the same and it wasn't long before I traded it in. But are trying to argue GT5p feels like a new game? It's GT4 in HD, with less cars and tracks!...

The trouble with Forza 2 isn't that it hasn't advanced enough, it was that the first game was so ahead of its time that this sequel really doesn't feel much different. That Turn 10 took the lazy route when it came to the sequel's tracks resulted in the Career mode quickly becoming stale. What's the point in having over 300 cars if you have to race around the same old tired routes?

Forza was hardly ahead of its time, but anyway. Turn 10 did the lazy route but PD have been taking the lazy route since GT2. The basic design and game progression has hardly changed at all and each game uses the same tracks as the previous games and adds a few more. True that means GT4 had a load of tracks, but not much more than 3. Whats the point in 900 cars with only a few new tracks? PD are guilty of exactly the same things you accuse Turn 10 of.

I am not interested in damage over anything else. If it's there and fits the experience, I might give it a try. But I am more concerned with the visual feeling of realism of my car and those around me than with damage. To me, to my car game driving tastes, Polyphony's development strategy is the right one, that's why I'll keep supporting it. And I have a feeling there are millions out there who feel the same.

If that's what you enjoy fair enough. It's kind of depressing though that you buy a racing game for the visuals. It's also depressing that you think it's fine to release effectively the same game time and time again with some improved visuals. Development strategy, what development strategy...

Face it Forza 2 (Bought it, played it, got bored) is good but it's not great, especially the A I which is rubbish.

I didn't think Forza 2's AI was that great, too aggressive. But it's light years ahead of GT's. On the second race I had an AI car ram me right up the back going down a straight, just drove straight into the back of me as I was going slower but was on the racing line. It did not take into account I was there and move round me. That's was just one of many collusions due to crap AI.

The GT series is the only car game where all the cars do drive differently and each one needs time (hence a lot of people can not do it) to master

That's total bollocks simple as. The cars in Forza drive differently, the cars in PGR drive differently, the cars in TOCA 3 drive differently, hell the cars in the ten year old Grand Prix Legends drive differently!

Too difficult? Go and play GTR 2 or GPL and we can talk about which games are more challenging...

it costs £20 and is worth it and with the extra stuff coming out for it, it will be even better value by the end of the year.

I'd be a bit pissed if I bought it. It's GT4 0.5 HD (the 0.5 because it has less content) and it will be better value if we get whats promised and if it's free...


I like driving in GT, while not wholly realistic the cars are nice to drive. But its the same old with GT.

Sure the cars look good, but the environments are kind of lifeless and bland no doubt to get 60fps. It doesn't even have any skid marks for christ sakes.

As I said before the AI is still crap. They seem to race each other but they don't defend their line and they stick to their line to matter what it would seem. So many time I have been on the outside coming out of a corner and been pushed off the track or into the wall because the AI car was taking the racing line regardless of the fact I was on it.

The collision detection is terrible. I can ram into a car at high speed and it hardly moves and I can hold my line, meaning I can use other cars/the wall to bounce around the track with little negative effect. This is pretty broken and no acceptable in a modern race game.

The sounds are pretty dull and generic.

All in all as it stands at the moment nothing has changed since GT4 (or 3 for that matter) except visuals. You are paying for nearly the same game again. Which is quite funny as isn't that what so many people used to slag EA for? Yet its ok for PD to do it?

You should demand more for your money folks.

Is that the best argument you can up with? What do you want me to do record me playing it?

I bought the PS3 on Saturday afternoon and played for it throughout the evening.

Anyway when you say "none". Id be pretty skeen to see any skid marks you leave when driving around the corner. I'd also like to see the damage model your copy must have too and the great collision detection. Show me you hitting another car at speed and it actually sliding of the track realistically and coming to a total halt against a wll, or even just spinning.

?

Hmmm, on that note I'm done with this conversation I think.

Would seem Hedgbog has given up anyway.

Which one is it? Headbog, hedbog, or hedgbog. Is he Trinity?

All of you people arguing about Forza, GT, and others are really just blowing a lot of useless smoke. You can argue about how unrealistic the game is or how the graphics look whatever the case may be. That is your right on the internet. Where many people spout at many other people and nothing is really accomplished. I will try not to go further into the social aspects of the internet posting realm. The point of the comments on this particular site are to be about the article. Many on here are people who dont even play the PS3. Example the 360 and PC sim players. They came here to basically bash the game and created a binary brawl between the followers of the GT series and themselves. Plus the arguing is very prophetic and intellectual(very sarcastic). If you really want to add to the discussion, not turn it into an argument, do not bash other posts. Post what you think and hopefully it has some merit and is not just babble. This will help readers in deciding if the game is for them or not. My two cents is that it is worth waiting for the final release. If you like other GT games, as formentioned a lot of people do, the new cars and graphics will probably suite your wants and needs. The very hardcore sim players, which there are less of, from the pc maybe should stay on the pc. To 360 users, I wont say much as I have no appreciation for the xbox it is an inferior product and old technology. Microsoft I will just say jumped the gun. Being an electrical engineer, when the time came to buy a new gameing system it was a no brainer, PS3 is far superior to the 360. Off of that subject and back to the game. GT is only marketing for its key demographic and past players. The game will be a big seller. I have no doubt of that. Yes it is going to keep with the same key features in past games and to an odd few that would probably be strange and worth moving onto different games. To the masses it will be a next generation racing game which they have never seen before. These people will never hear of or hear and forget many of the other racing games just because they are the masses. That is not to say that these games are inferior in some ways or better in others. One point is he cares nothing about other games because the masses are buying his and most of those people will not hear your rants and buy the game. Even my post is useless but the point of the internet is to speak your mind without being afraid of anything or anyone, even if no one hears you.

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