Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 Comments by Kristan Reed

brooza, Halo 2 got a 9.

He meant halo. Only human. >:)

LOL. If you're gonna do that worn-out old joke, at least get it right.

*snore*

sounds dull

More of same, yawn...................

"More of same, yawn................... "

Indeed, but if one likes the same, then why not have more of the same? If you don't like it then fair enough, but I fail to believe that YOUR life is not peppered with instances of you indulging in MORE of what YOU like.

Be gone, simple forumite

Im not against sequels or re-using a brand. Im just against sequels which do nothing different.

Am I the only one fed up with this type of thing? There's only a handful of different ways you can shoot things...

Ho hum.. prolly just me again (like with finding oblivion dull)

I'm confused about EG's implication in the review that GRAW 2 has no v-sync issues as I noticed that the single player demo was rife with it (and I wasn't looking for it either... honest).

So does the final game have v-sync issues or not? (I'd be very surprised if it doesn't as all of Ubisoft's 360 games have it to varying degrees; they even managed to add it to the craptastic Far Cry Instincts Predator when they patched it!)

So . . . does this game have split-screen co-op?

I saw no v-sync tearing issues in the full game. Did anyone else?

Got to say compared to GRAW 1 it certainly has no v-sync issues for me in the retail version.

@Morriss: Jesus! Don't trade Zelda for Sonic's crappy secret rings. The rumors of Sonic and his miraculus recovery are bull****!!1.

I've spotted a bit of tearing on Caldera in MP, that was when using a scope on the top of the dish on what is an extremely complex map. However in comparison to getting tearing using a scope on any level in GRAW1 the difference is huge.

@smelly

"Am I the only one fed up with this type of thing? There's only a handful of different ways you can shoot things... "

Perhaps, but my point was, if you don't find the mechansism of shooting things (first or third person) particulalry satisfying, you're prone to drawing that conclusion.

I find RPGs, sports games, many Nintendo franchises and others quite dull and samey, but that's because they're not my 'thing'.

No one's right or wrong on this matter, I just think it's a bit lame having a dig at a genre for being the way it it is - especially when that genre is (I would guess) the biggest selling one!

@Overlush : I didnt mention over genres. I just mentioned this genre, which just seems to be a one trick pony, and as long as this is all gamers want. Then the industry will soon disapear up its own bottom.

After all most fps games (this one not included as it does have a tacticle element) are just overly extended mini games.

Krudster: A question: If you think that the price of GRAW 2 should be lowered because it's just an 'update' of GRAW, do you also think that the PES series and the FIFA series should be lowered in price too?

@wasp: it'll be out on the PS3 too, along with FEAR and all the other macho games that come out for the 360. What's your point?

@smelly

"...this genre...just seems to be a one trick pony...after all most fps games are just overly extended mini games"

Sigh. Yes, I dare say to someone who's not 'in' to the genre, that's what they would appear to be. As I'm not 'in' to sports games I could level the same criticisms against them, but I don't because I'm just a little bit more open minded than that.

Films, cars, books, games, music, camping, sports, clothes, whatever: if you don't 'get' the appeal, it's easy to dismiss and over simplify the experience.

Ah what the hell...

EDIT: Looking at Tesco's top 6 is, for me, a sight to behold: appealing next-gen shooter after applealing next-gen shooter. Call it what you will, but for those of us who love shooters, you can't ask for more. Thanks MS :)

Despite the events of the game taking place a year after last year's Mexican adventure...

There's actually only a single day between the end of GRAW 1 and the beginning of GRAW 2.

I watched the GameTrailers.com 720p video review of GRAW 2 and I definitely noticed v-sync issues although it's not as in-yer-face as it was in the first game. I wonder if the PS3 version of this game, Double Agent and Rainbow Six Vegas will have this issue...?

No. Because the PS3 is a better machine.

@Overlush

+1 for any or all of your comments.

>"(like with finding oblivion dull)"

Trust me, you're not the only one...

"Looking at Tesco's top 6 is, for me, a sight to behold: appealing next-gen shooter after applealing next-gen shooter."


are you trying to make me depressed?

>" didnt mention over genres. I just mentioned this genre, which just seems to be a one trick pony, and as long as this is all gamers want. Then the industry will soon disapear up its own bottom.

After all most fps games (this one not included as it does have a tacticle element) are just overly extended mini games. "

Stop being such an ignorant twat.
The same can be said for ANY genre. All you have to do is just not like the genre.
I don't like rpgs, and I COULD say they are all one or two trick ponys (either a bi-sexual looking bigs haired freak with a giant sword trying to save the world, or another western rpg with elves and goblins).

The difference is, I don't have to be ignorant and can accept people like those genres.....for some reason.

Why do people have to be such, ignorant elitist snobs?

"are you trying to make me depressed? "

LOL!

No, just pointing out how happy I am :)

/nods to kangarootoo

Very much enjoyed this - finished it very quickly though =(

Still, the online element seems like a bit of fun =)

Hadn't played the original, so this really was a bit of a treat for me!

>Why do people have to be such, ignorant elitist snobs?


Why do people have to get so aggressive when you dare to talk about something like this? Could it be that deep down they find them dull to? Or maybe violent video games do make people violent and aggressive.. hmm..

>"Why do people have to get so aggressive when you dare to talk about something like this? Could it be that deep down they find them dull to? Or maybe violent video games do make people violent and aggressive.. hmm.. "

LOL. I was just making an observation.

Atleast I now understand why you love ninty so much.

Nah, i just think they make the best games in the world.. eventually.. if you wait long enough :-)

But that's not my point. This isnt me slagging it off because it's on a specific console or whatever, i'm against all that kind of nonsense! It's not event that i'm against fps games as such, im also not one of these people that are "against" violent games even, or that promote censorship or anything. I just dont see the need, to me the only thing these types of game have going for them is how pretty they look.

Its not that im even against violent games, one of the few games on the 360 i play lots is dead rising. I also used to REALLY enjoy fps games, one of my favourite games was half life 2, and i really enjoyed halo first time around (didnt think much to the sequel mind).

It's just that even the strategic ones (like this) dont really add anything much to the "genre", they dont seem to do anything really "new" and after years of playing games (and a lot of those games WERE shooting games), im just bored and tired of the genre and desperate for something "new".

Bear in mind i'v been playing games for a LONG time now.. Easily over 20 years..

Its like all those violent shooting movies of the 80's featuring arnie, stallone, van dam, etc.. at the time they were ace, but after seeing loads of them it soon becomes boring and repetitive. So much so, watching those movies now, you realise how boring and shite they were.

IMHO if the industry keeps pumping out generic fps games and keeps relying on them, then gamers will soon get bored, and the whole games industry will soon implode and have major financial difficulties while its trying to figure out how to make games which dont bore people.

How many people do you know who are already starting to say they're getting bored of games and gaming? I wonder if its games their getting bored of, or whether its shooting games they're getting bored of (which seem to be pretty much the only type of game released nowadays).

Dont get me wrong, having strategic squad based stuff is a step in the right direction. Im not half as against this as i am against generic crap like FEAR (and i fear *hohoho* perhaps halo 3 will go the same way). I even rented GoW as everyone was saying how great it was, i was bored within minutes.. been there done that, shot things before, yawn.. Someone recently said (not me) that GoW was just an overly extended whack a mole game, to me that pretty much sums up every fps game i've played.. Even the clever tactile squad based ones..

It's just that (as a gamer), just like with movies at the end of the 80's.. I'm beginning to crave something "different".

(geesus that was a long rant - i hope it makes sense, if it doesnt feel free to just come back with a witty "meh, you're just saying that because you're a nintendo fanboy" retort. As Im sure you will.)

Well GRAW for the PC was a completely different game than the Xbox360 version.

Having tried both, I personally preferred the PC version, it was like being back in the good old days of Rainbow Six, before they made it easy for the console-folk. I can understand not everyone likes the "you make a mistake, you're dead" type of game, but that's what both Ghost Recon and R6 started as, and GRAW PC was a welcome return to form, in my opinion. Made it feel that much better when I beat a level.

A PC version of GRAW 2 would be nice, as I'm curious to see whether Ubisoft has followed the same route as with GRAW.

@smelly

So, you've been playing games for over 20 years, used to love shooters (even until quite recently going on your Half-Life 2 and Halo comments) but now yearn for something more?

Could it be that it's not shooters that have got old and boring, but you?

I guess all I'm trying to say is: why feel the need to 'show the rest of us the light at the end of the tunnel' if we're quite happy? Why feel the need to spell doom and gloom for the industry if people continue to buy shooters, when you yourself bought them for the best part of 20 years?

P.S. don't diss' Arnie and Stalone - IMHO Terminator and Rambo still kick ass :)

Got tired of the first GRAW, hated the demo for GRAW2, yet instinct led to a purchase and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Indeed, just a polished up, more focused re-run of the first one, but it's highly enjoyable.

Oh, and another appalling Yankedoodle plot.

"We're secretly killing enemies of America inside Mexico, keep it quiet!"
"Oh no! They're accusing us of killing Mexican troops, and we're innocent!"
"Let's kill some more then, and watch as dutiful Mexican troops, grateful to us American heroes, get blown up..."

>"I just dont see the need, to me the only thing these types of game have going for them is how pretty they look. "

Luckily for the rest of us, games aren't created based on whether YOU like it.
It that was the case, we would all be stuck playing mario universe.

>"Easily over 20 years....IMHO if the industry keeps pumping out generic fps games and keeps relying on them, then gamers will soon get bored"

1. Movie's of the 80's were exactly that, 80s. They lasted for a decade.
2. You speak like an analyst. "then gamers will soon get bored". You've been playing for 20 years, and gamers STILL aren't bored.
3. Movies of the 80's aren't dead, they just evolved, much like shooters will. It's no suprise that the summer blockbusters (the most lucrative of them all) are usually kiss kiss, bang bang movies, with loads of explosions and such.
They still sell even till now in the movies, what makes you think the games won't too?
4. Every form of entertainment media always have one form of genre that is more dominant than the others. No big deal.

>"How many people do you know who are already starting to say they're getting bored of games and gaming? I wonder if its games their getting bored of, or whether its shooting games they're getting bored of (which seem to be pretty much the only type of game released nowadays). "

Yes, I know many who are playing games less and less (me being one of them). This is due to time, and they too only have a few hours a week to play games. For this reason, they (ironically) play ONLY shooting games simply because they don't have time (or can't be bothered) to learn how to play a different type of game.

I understand what you're saying, but the mistake you are making is that you seem to struggle with the concept that others DON'T think like you. What may seem "logical" in your head, is ludricous someone else.

Oh and meh, you are a nintendo fanboy. :)
P.S: Speaking about you and ninty, I do find it odd that someone can get bored of a specific type of genre (no matter how different the games may actually be),but yet doesn't get bored of running around "jumping on stuff" (see, even I can simplify a genre too, out of ignorance) with the same ninty characters in the same ninty setting doing the same ninty things.

:)

"I guess all I'm trying to say is: why feel the need to 'show the rest of us the light at the end of the tunnel' if we're quite happy? Why"


Did I say that you should feel the same as me?
No.
I was just explaining how i felt.

It's called a dis..cuss..ion.

I dont expect other people to have the same thoughts as me. It's called sharing ideas and thoughts and talking about stuff.

see? It's a thing that grown ups do.. But then again, i guess people who like this type of thing are still at school and havent learned that yet :-)

>yet doesn't get bored of running around "jumping on stuff"


How many good "running around jumping on stuff" games have there been of recent years? Apart from the odd shite kids based game, the good ones are few and far between. Mario, ratchet & clank, jack and daxter.. So about 1 decent platformer for every 300 odd shooters..

Hell even mario games have stopped being "running around jumping on stuff" and havent been since mario world on the snes.


But even then im hungering something "new", games are a versitile platform, lets have more new, less of the same old same old (and that includes platformers)

Smelly: Thinks that all FPS/TPS games never really add anything new to the genre. He's right.

Overlush and The Bodybuilder (and me also): Couldn't give a shit whether they are all the same as they enjoy them anyway, which is all that matters.

So what was the 'discussion' about again?

Yeah, shooter games, tactical or otherwise very rarely add anything new, but to be honest who gives a shit if the people that do like the genre enjoy playing them?

Smelly, go to another comments section on a game you actually care about, instead of wasting your time here on an article for a game in which your most important contribution seemed to be "*snore* Sounds dull".
That, or go back and play your beloved Ninty's Zelda TP, which just so happens to be almost exactly the same as OoT.

Honestly. It can be like a kids playground on this site.

@SomaticSense: If you werent a complete retard, you'd notice that i've stated numerous times that TP is easily the worst zelda i've played. Why you muppets keep feeling the need to bring every thread back to nintendo is beyond me. Presumably it's because i'll then mention nintendo in my reply and you can use that to say "ha, you're just saying all this because you're a nintendo fanboy" or something equally lame.


Admitidly i started out with a throw away comment. But then I went into depth as to why i think these types of games add nothing to our industry and are (in the long term) bad for gamers as a whole. How many people do you know who are "bored of games"? I know a few.

In fact asside from a dead rising, zelda and sam and max, i played sod all games last year.

Maybe im getting old, maybe gaming is getting tired. It was just a conversation. At no point did i say "har har, if nintendo made this it'd be better" at no point did i say "this sucks, zelda is better". The only people mentioning nintendo is you lot (and my replies to them).

This has got NOTHING to do with whether or not i like nintendo games, and everything to do with me having a discussion as to the direction the industry is going (or rather, it's not going anywhere in most cases, it's stuck at the traffic lights).

>"But even then im hungering something "new", games are a versitile platform, lets have more new, less of the same old same old (and that includes platformers) "

I don't get it.
You want new IP, but yet you love the same ol ninty IPs over and over again? :)
/stops nintendo baiting.

And it's very easy to say "i want knew stuff". That's like me saying I want a car with a "completely new technology", but having no idea what.
The fact is your previous comment, as great as it may seem to you, goes against the current trends of gaming. Gaming hasn't been as big as it is now (namely due to those pesky shooters you hate), and it shows no sign of ending anytime soon.

To every smelly that hates shooters, there are many......MANY more that love them. I'm a big fan of horror, action, gangster/mobster and epic movies (along with more "emotional" films). At thier core, they are all the same. I very much doubt I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and start moaning for "something new".

From the beginning of gaming (when multiple genres began to exist), action, sports and racing games have dominated. Over 3 decades and many new generations of gamers, that hasn't changed.

>Gaming hasn't been as big as it is now

Actually thats a popular misconception. Yes more people play games, but also the population of the world has gone up.

In terms of ratio of population that plays games, it's actually LESS than it was when the snes ruled the world. But that's a different story.

BUT.. Just because it's not gonna happen, doesnt mean I cant moan about it! so ner :-)

>"Actually thats a popular misconception. Yes more people play games, but also the population of the world has gone up. "

1. You're spreading a misconception too. There are too many variables for why the world's population has gone up (mostly from the chinese, other ethnic minorities, and from poorer countries, of which gaming is last on thier agenda).
Simply saying "the population has gone up" is inaccurate and misleading in the context of the number of game players.

>"In terms of ratio of population that plays games, it's actually LESS than it was when the snes ruled the world. But that's a different story. "

O'RLY? got any proof to go with that pudding? Sounds like now it's you spreading the misconception. Let's not forget the other variables that affect lifestyles (people are also working more with less time, and have less disposable income).
Which still doesn't change the statement I made that gaming is bigger now than ever before, which it is.

>"BUT.. Just because it's not gonna happen, doesnt mean I cant moan about it! so ner :-) "

3. Moaning about it is futlie....resistance is futile. You'll be back to playing shooters.

They always come crawling back. Mwahahaha.

"In terms of ratio of population that plays games, it's actually LESS than it was when the snes ruled the world"

Not that I'm disputing this statement smelly, but where do you get your facts from?

"Not that I'm disputing this statement smelly, but where do you get your facts from?"

It doesnt take you to be a genius to work it out. The areas of the world were population is exploding...India and China, are both less likely to match that population growth with game platform sales...hence the actual percentage of world population that is gaming is decreasing.

But who's to say the percentage of people playing in developed countries hasn't increased enough to offset this? Look, I'm not trying to call people a liar or anything as it truly doesn't really matter anyway what the right answer is, I'm just geniunely curious about the statistics.

>"hence the actual percentage of world population that is gaming is decreasing. "

Tis true, just very irrelevant. Gaming has only ever been in the developed countries.
Oh and just some years ago, the only territories were N.America, Europe and Japan. Now it's also China, S.Korea, Australia, S.America, Some places in Africa, and even India.

you know its not just this game, but i think alot of the people who comment on these games, esecially those who slag them off get their opinions from other reviewers instead of actully playing the games, i looked up on a guy who said Vegas 2 was crap, not only had he not played it, but his gamer score was like 125gp, play the game then tell me its shit!
As for GRAW 2, its no way near a simple add on, its much more refiened, better looking, better online, better in every way to GRAW. And I dont mean to tak off topic again, because I would sooner discuss GRAW2 than the twats i am refering too but If you are a PC fanboy dont post messages about an XBOX360 game condemning decent games because you have to wait 6 months before you can play them, (ie. Gears of war etc...)
peace!