Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2 Comments by Dan Whitehead
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Der_tolle_Emil
30/07/08 @ 10:40
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I'm glad that the multiplier is in - that's the one thing that was missing in the first one and what made Galaxies so great.
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.....I officially place myself in the minority when it comes to this game as I totally hate it. I find it far too busy after just a few minutes, and get killed by things simply appearing right next to me. Pretty much the same reason I walked away from the first one. Heck I couldn't even get the pacifist achievement on the first one (I had someone stopwatch me for 1 and a half minutes of not shooting and still got no achievement).
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DanWhitehead
30/07/08 @ 11:00
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so for someone who's played GW: Galaxies on wii to death, is there anything here for me or will it feel like a bit of a step backward (or is it more of a sideways step)?
There's plenty of new stuff in here, even if you've played every previous iteration. I'm currently obsessed with getting the Treaty achievement, but keep getting slaughtered at 29 zones. It's really annoying, since I got it fairly easily playing on the debug 360, but I suspect I got lucky with the placement of the final zones. Wax On and Wax Off are also excellent challenges. |
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citizenHUNTER
30/07/08 @ 11:00
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Cannot wait to download this.
Thing about online play though is that, surely with the pace and ridiculousness of this game when things get hectic... surely even the slightest whiff of lag would render it unplayable online??? (queue arguments over who should have shot what and when etc.) Until we all have fibre optic cable 100Mbps then I don't see it working all that great online, but then I have no idea what I'm talking about. Can't wait to play it none the less. :) |
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Eighthours
30/07/08 @ 11:06
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which makes the lack of online all the more frustrating - especially since there doesn't seem to be anything in the game that would make Xbox Live struggle.
Aside from the gazillions of enemies. Here's what Ben Ward of Bizarre has to say on the subject: "The multiplayer isn't online simply because of the latency. In GWRE2 there are literally hundreds of things moving at the same time (thus being squished down the internet pipe). Take your typical FPS, which might have 20 objects at most flying around your character at a time (I'm guessing)... contrast that with the hundreds of GWRE enemies alone (in addition to other players, bullets, Geoms, powerups, etc.). Then consider that it's much more vital for a game like GWRE to be pixel-accurate for it's gameplay to work... unfortunately online this just doesn't add up. :(" |
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DanWhitehead
30/07/08 @ 11:12
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An FPS may have less objects moving around, but those objects are far more complex in design and animation than simple geometric shapes. I agree that lag would spoil the experience, but isn't that true of all online games? Using that argument, no game should bother with online modes, just in case. And besides, the DS has already shown that there are ways of handling Geometry Wars multiplayer that wouldn't have to rely on such stringent accuracy.
I'm sure it would be harder to implement than it seems, but it's not impossible - and to have no online modes at all does feel like a missed opportunity. |
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>An FPS may have less objects moving around, but those objects are far more complex in design and animation than simple geometric shapes
This is usually done client side. The amount of stuff in GW is indeed probably a lot higher than in your typical FPS since almost nothing (except the grid and some explosions) can easily be done client side. |
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For a vector-based game, Geometry Wars Evolved 2 sure does look pretty and colourful... it's pretty much a must-have really even without playing the demo. I still prefer Super Stardust HD on the PS3 though, not only for its super addictive gameplay but also its slick audio/visuals, but this is the best two-stick shooter on the 360. I'll be checking it out as soon as I get home! :)
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Der_tolle_Emil
30/07/08 @ 11:30
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I completely understand this isn't online. There is simply no way of hiding lag at all in this game. It's easy in FPS games - just guess where the opponent is and once the actual data gets received simply adjust the opponents position to reflect the actual data. In bad cases you might see things jump around but that's it. There is also a lot more precision necessary for GW to work so that technique doesn't really work for GW. The only way it would work is to delay the game which wouldn't be fun and with the huge amount of data that GW would have to push those delays would be really bad.
I'd rather have no multiplayer than people moan all the time that it doesn't work. |
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Can someone confirm how much you get on the trial verison, sat at work so can't have a go!
I'm just thinking 800 points is a bit steep for something I probably won't play all that much. Not to say it's an unreasonable price, looking at all the improvements, new modes etc it seems more than fair, just might not be one for me. |
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Also, isn't there a little misinformation in this review? I haven't played schitzoid, but from what I have heard it isn't one shoots, one moves - maybe that's a mode within it, but I don't think it's the point. It's co-op with 2 differently coloured ships having to take on distinct groups of enemies at the same time by co-ordinating their attacks. Can someone who actually has a clue back me up here?
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I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Eurogamer Dev Team for finally making a decent screenshot system! Really, I mean it, it's bugged me for ages!
Please can you make it stop opening thumbs when I press the spacebar in the comment box though. Oh and backport it to all the old articles with broken images. Cheers! Keep up the good work! :) |
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ThePissartist
30/07/08 @ 12:02
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I find it slightly amusing that an XBLA game has more comments on it when compared to a 'AAA' PC game (Crysis add-on) that was posted on eurogamer at a much earlier time.
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coach_mcguirk
30/07/08 @ 12:25
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I don't see how online play - co-op in particular - could work reliably without them drastically slashing the number of enemies.
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Carpathian
30/07/08 @ 12:45
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it's a template that has been copied far too many times by lesser Live Arcade games - all of which seem to favour of mayhem and noise, missing the subtleties that make Geometry Wars so great.
Why did the latest Minter creation come to mind the second I read that......... |
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DanWhitehead
30/07/08 @ 13:04
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Actually, I wasn't thinking about Space Giraffe. And now I'm scared that an assassination squad of llamas is going to hunt me down.
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