GC: PS3 "benefiting from Gears"

By Tom Bramwell Published 23 August, 2007

Rein says it helped UE3 hugely.

They might spend a lot of time wailing about it on Internet forums, but Epic Games VP Mark Rein reckons that PlayStation 3 owners are better off because of Xbox 360 mega-exclusive Gears of War.

"PlayStation 3 is very much benefiting from Gears of War. That sounds silly, but it's very much benefiting from Gears of War," he told Eurogamer in an interview published today.

"We're a little ahead on PlayStation 3 compared to where we were at this time on Xbox 360, and what I mean by that is our code and our level of completeness, and that's because we have shipped a game with Unreal Engine 3 already."

He also reckons that UT3, which ships on PlayStation 3 and PC this November and 360 next year, shows the best of UE3's capabilities to date (although he reckons BioShock is a bit good, too).

"When you see UT, this pushes the engine a lot harder than Gears of War did. I know it sounds preposterous because of how great Gears of War is, but we're pushing this up another notch. I'm very proud of that, and I think it's good for us and it's good for our licensees," he told us.

For more from Rein, including his take on the Silicon Knights lawsuit, status updates on Gears PC and UT3, and the latest on the Gears of War film, check out the full Mark Rein GC 2007 interview.

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  • DrunKao #1 5 years ago

    It seems like I heard this a week ago.

  • Blerk #2 5 years ago

    "PlayStation 3 is very much benefiting from Gears of War. That sounds silly, but it's very much benefiting from Gears of War,"

    So tell me... is PlayStation 3 very much benefiting from Gears of War?

  • paul_haine #3 5 years ago

    But what about the PS3? Is that also benefiting from Gears of War?

  • DB2k #4 5 years ago

    Im my experience.. very much the ps3 is benefitting from Gear of War it is.

  • lambtron #5 5 years ago

    lol @ Blerk

  • RedPanda #6 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • S.J.Rogers #7 5 years ago

    But am i benefiting from Gears of War..?

  • menage #8 5 years ago

    "I know it sounds preposterous because of how great Gears of War is, but we're pushing this up another notch."

    Do I smell something:p

    Hey he's right of course. But it's simply a developper getting the grips with it's own engine. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PS3.

  • Kill_Crazy #9 5 years ago

    i've not played Gears of War, have i benefited?

  • RedPanda #10 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • zoidberg #11 5 years ago

    Is Jesus benefiting from Gears Of War?



    But then, why isn't God benefiting from Gears Of War?


    If so, Gears Of War must be the PS3 saviour!

  • sickpuppysoftware #12 5 years ago

    If you're on benefits have you gears of warred?

  • soundtrack #13 5 years ago

    God of War may benefit from some top notch Gear

  • Twincoil #14 5 years ago

    So the people who made what is still the best looking game on the 360 reckon it's going to lag behind the best looking game on the PS3 when it launches as a timed exclusive in a couple on months?

    Me likes a few ruffled feathers me does :)

  • InsoFox #15 5 years ago

    I bet Bioshock is benefitting from Gears of War for some reason...

  • menage #16 5 years ago

    Bioshock looks better than Gears, less fat necks and less grey.

  • Kryon #17 5 years ago

    PS3 is on benefits, it's official!

  • Laserbream #18 5 years ago

    Gears of War? Qui bono?

  • allen #19 5 years ago

    "shows the best of UE3's capabilities to date (although he reckons BioShock is a bit good, too)."

    thought that was mainly ue2? disc?

  • Tomo #20 5 years ago

    I can just about make out the sound of Mark Rein fellating himself.

  • Genome #21 5 years ago

    allen: Bioshock started out on UE2.5 (or basically a modified Tribes Vengeance engine) but they moved to UE3 sometime last year.

  • holydrone #22 5 years ago

    I thought the headline read: PS3 "Benefiting from Queers"

  • Steroyd #23 5 years ago

    wut?

  • Sebo #24 5 years ago

    Wii is benefiting from Gears of War

  • Salvia #25 5 years ago

    FFS Mark Rein talking crap again. Will this man never shut up? Let me tell you; there's only one thing benefitting from Gears of War and that's the PS3.

  • Eraser #26 5 years ago

    Um, so what he's saying is that UT3 is better because they have experience with Gears of War. Since UT3 is being release on PS3 as well as XBox360 and PC, doesn't that mean that XBox360 and PC are benefiting from Gears of War as well?

  • Cannibal #27 5 years ago

    Mark Rein's momma benefits from my wang.
    Edited by 1 at 23/08/07 @ 10:35

  • Moz #28 5 years ago

    @Eraser, yes but 360 and PC are directly benefiting, as Gears is actually on both systems.


    Also what he says is true, then they've managed to not only out do Gears in graphics but also managed to do it on the PS3! Which must dampen Xbox Fanboys spirits abit.

  • Carrybagma #29 5 years ago

    gears
    gears
    gears

  • menage #30 5 years ago

    "Also what he says is true, then they've managed to not only out do Gears in graphics but also managed to do it on the PS3! Which must dampen Xbox Fanboys spirits abit."

    I don't think there's a 360 owner who actually thinks the PS3 can't do 360 graphics. Hell, most would even admit that PS3 is probably a little bit better in the graphics area. Luckily graphics aren't everything. .But the statement that only PS3 is benefiting is bull.

    Edited by 1 at 23/08/07 @ 10:51

  • Xerx3s #31 5 years ago

    Jesus wept.




    Big, muscular Jesus.

  • penhalion #32 5 years ago

    @Moz
    He didn't menton graphics just that they've upped the gameplay with the engine. He was actually talking about networking and community mods etc. etc.

    How you manage to take that out of context to try to do the usual fanboy interpretaton of things is amazing.

    Mark Rein's Quote:"When you see UT, this pushes the engine a lot harder than Gears of War did."

    Moz:"Also what he says is true, then they've managed to not only out do Gears in graphics but also managed to do it on the PS3!"

    Yea except he never said that did he Moz. And you wonder why nobody likes fanboys.

  • Kryon #33 5 years ago

    "Also what he says is true, then they've managed to not only out do Gears in graphics but also managed to do it on the PS3! Which must dampen Xbox Fanboys spirits abit."

    Why on earth would it? Gears is old hat for 360 owners, the fact that the PS3 gets a visually comparable game a year or two later really won't bother anyone I shouldn't think, besides the 360 version will come out and look better than the PS3 version (as usual) so it's all gravy in the end.

  • Kryon #34 5 years ago

    "Hell, most would even admit that PS3 is probably a little bit better in the graphics area."

    Would they? Why would they 'admit' that? There hasn't been any software on the PS3 to date that has come close to the best offerings on the 360 and 99% of multi-plat titles look noticeably better on the 360, so I'm not quite sure why you'd think that?

  • Les #35 5 years ago

    "so it's all gravy in the end."

    Because you only want to see gravy...

  • Avenger1324 #36 5 years ago

    "We're a little ahead on PlayStation 3 compared to where we were at this time on Xbox 360....

    So that means the PS3 is where the 360 was a year ago.

    Hmm... great sales pitch for the PS3

  • Kryon #37 5 years ago

    @Les

    "Because you only want to see gravy..."

    What exactly do you mean Les? What in my post do you believe to be untrue? What am I supposedly fabricating?

  • cymro #38 5 years ago

    Marcus Fenix is a benefit scrounger.

  • Kryon #39 5 years ago

    So is Les.

  • The-Bodybuilder #40 5 years ago

    The real questions..

    Will Gears of War benefit from halo 3?

  • crazyhorse174 #41 5 years ago

    I though that the 360's GPU was better than the PS3's anyway??

  • Twincoil #42 5 years ago

    It is, but what is a graphics processor if not, y'know, a processor. I'm under the impression that the PS3 has more 'processors' in it so, given time enough to get to grips with Cell, who knows?

  • Twincoil #43 5 years ago

    "Marcus Fenix is a benefit scrounger"

    Anyone who doens't own all three consoles is a fucking benefit scrounger AND a fucking fanboy to boot. Shoot the bastards. All of 'em.

  • teabagger #44 5 years ago

    Hardly a week goes by nowadays without Rein shamelessly waving his nob around in the press.

  • Twincoil #45 5 years ago

    Indeed. I think some of these devs mistake interest in their industry for interest in them.

  • Les #46 5 years ago

    “What exactly do you mean Les? What in my post do you believe to be untrue? What am I supposedly fabricating?”

    Just how to spin things. Ridicule games that get released later on PS3 and go “look, I got it first on my 360” and if it happens the other way go “I don’t care about getting it first, my version will be better”. So with a little fantasy, you'll always get gravy. If that makes you happy, go ahead.

    And the 99% is definitely fabricated…

  • light&shadow #47 5 years ago

    I surely getting no benefits from this thread

  • crazyhorse174 #48 5 years ago

    To be honest, I was under the impression that technically, both the 360 and the PS3 were pretty similar?? (not counting Blu-Ray)

    Doesnt the 360 have a better GPU (as I said before) and more RAM, whereas the PS3 has a better processor in the Cell??

    At the end of the day, they should both be able to pull off quite similar results? Or am I completely off the mark?

  • The-Bodybuilder #49 5 years ago

    >"Hardly a week goes by nowadays without Rein shamelessly waving his nob around in the press."

    Erm...IT'S A CONVENTION. He's holding a seminar in a CONVENTION. It's not like he's e-mailing his personal blog to every gaming site.

  • The-Bodybuilder #50 5 years ago

    Who here is benefitting from the ps3 vs 360 graphics debate?

  • Skooch #51 5 years ago

    Who's benefitting from Bodybuilder? ^

  • Tweakmonkey #52 5 years ago

    The good news is that Epic are multi-platform and PS3 will definitely benefit from that as it is so late to the party.

  • hjarg #53 5 years ago

    My sense of humour benefittied quite a lot from this thread.

  • zoidberg #54 5 years ago

    Gears benefited from my cash.

  • Lim-Dul #55 5 years ago

    War is benefiting from Gears (of). =)

    "We're a little ahead on PlayStation 3 compared to where we were at this time on Xbox 360....

    So that means the PS3 is where the 360 was a year ago.

    Hmm... great sales pitch for the PS3

    Yeah - that comment made me wonder too. What "time" (I interpreted it as the time passed since launch) does he mean - I bet his glamorous personality bends space and time around him so he's living in a different space-time-continuum. :-D

  • AOFanboi #56 5 years ago

    <em>more RAM</em>

    Nope, both have 512 MB, but how it's divided differs. In the 360 all of it is one type shared between CPU and GPU, in the PS3 it's divided into 2x256 MB, one is meant for the system and one is meant for the GPU, though they can use each other's memory if I recall correctly.

  • muftak #57 5 years ago

    "To be honest, I was under the impression that technically, both the 360 and the PS3 were pretty similar?? (not counting Blu-Ray)

    Doesnt the 360 have a better GPU (as I said before) and more RAM, whereas the PS3 has a better processor in the Cell??

    At the end of the day, they should both be able to pull off quite similar results? Or am I completely off the mark?"

    they certainly are similar at all

    sure the GPUs are the basically the same and they have the same ram 512mb (360 has 512 not dedicated to either job , while the ps3 has 256 system and 256 graphics plus personally nvida 7 series rocks as a gpu chip over the ati one the 360 uses)

    the cpu where it counts is so much faster on the ps3 than the 360s its not funny 8 cores 8 different jobs .

    at the moment grahpics are the same 1st gen ps3 same as 2nd gen 360 but come the 3rd or 4th gen graphics maybe slightly better but the AI and ragdolls and other psychics stuff will make the difference on the ps3.

    time will tell

  • Kryon #58 5 years ago

    "Ridicule games that get released later on PS3 and go “look, I got it first on my 360”

    How the hell did I ridicule UT? I just said that 360 owners won't care whether the PS3 has a game with graphics comparable to Gears as we've had Gears for a long time and it's no skin off our nose...How is that ridicule?

    if it happens the other way go “I don’t care about getting it first, my version will be better”

    You're living in cloud cuckoo land, I don't even want UT on any system (it's not my type of game) but yes judging by other multi-plat games, it will be better on the 360. I know you don't like the fact but you can't deny it either.

    "And the 99% is definitely fabricated"

    OK, I must admit I didn't work out the ratios, so I'll put it another way. The only multi-plat game that is as good/better on PS3 is oblivion and that had an extra years dev time.

    You say I 'spin' things a certain way but you know my points are in the most part true and valid, it's not my fault if you can't handle the truth dude.

  • Isere #59 5 years ago

    @Kryon

    ''360 owners won't care whether the PS3 has a game with graphics comparable to Gears as we've had Gears for a long time and it's no skin off our nose''

    I think all this fuss is because there hasn't been much else since to have topped it graphically.

    ''judging by other multi-plat games, it will be better on the 360. I know you don't like the fact but you can't deny it either.''

    Its pretty well known at this stage that most multiplatform games are developed for Xbox 360 first due to its wider user base so its not really fair to compare them to their rushed ports on PS3. I would even go one step further and say that since PS3 is getting a rare preferrential treatment for UT3, it will probably not be better on the 360 this time around.

    It would be more appropriate to see 1st party titles go head to head come next year when Sony will actually have something other than Resistance and Motorstorm to show.

    ''You say I 'spin' things a certain way but you know my points are in the most part true and valid, it's not my fault if you can't handle the truth dude.''

    I think we should all learn to handle the truth and give credit where credit is due.

  • Calgon #60 5 years ago

    muftak: sure the GPUs are the basically the same and they have the same ram 512mb

    Oh another one... The same?(same clockspeed maybe) Xenos will whoop RSX anyday of the week, please dont correct people if you dont know what you're talking about(his statement was very reasonable and the most likely).

    Xenos has "untapped potential"(I cant beleive Sony are making everyone use that word now) as does the 360 CPU(Xenon), RSX is based off an older well known GPU(G70 architecture) much more of a PC part than a custom part(unlike Xenos = custom and more advanced - forward thinking). They both have 512mbs of ram but the amount available(after OS and the frambuffer have taken their share) and the memory architecture is different, the general consensus is 360 has it better theres more available and all of whats available is up to the developer how its used(not so with PS3).

    Cell is the stronger CPU but its advantage is always grossly exagerated, it doesnt Pown Xenon in every way or anything(we dont even know how efficient they are in comparison to each other, something the paper specs dont account for), graphics are not its strong point its a CPU(post processing effects maybe but theres better ways to use that potential), Physics, possibly AI(although Ubisoft seem to think Xenon is doing AI better than PS3 could with what they're seeing in the new Splinter Cell) and the like are the sort of avantages it could bring to the PS3.

    So many of the top devs(we are talking the elite of developers like Carmack and recently too) have said it along with the majority of 3rd party devs now(Epic certainly arent saying the 360 wont beable to match or better it), they are pretty darn close in performance(each system has its strong points) crazyhorse174 rightly picked up on that by the looks of it. Ignore it all then and take a look at our only benchmarks for these matters, the games, lets have look in a years time or more if you like. Thats my take on the situation and alot of others would agree.
    Edited by 15 at 24/08/07 @ 03:18

  • Isere #61 5 years ago

    o_0 15X for that?

  • imperial_seal #62 5 years ago

    I am benefiting from no Gears, automatic is the way forward.

  • Calgon #63 5 years ago

    Isere yeah and?(how petty are you 0_o, does it matter? I do that quite alot thats what the edit button is for you know, if you want to add/delete something or spot mistakes ect) half of that was spelling/grammar due to tiredness the other half was because it was originally going to be larger and more detailed, but its all already been said before and people moan about it(even when its quite correct) so I decided to keep it as short as possible without being too vague. Either way his post was innacurate and unecessary.

  • Isere #64 5 years ago

    I figured the 15X was for spelling/grammar because it still reads like completely biased crap, edited 2X for 'extra' sugar coated crap.

    Edited by 2 at 24/08/07 @ 19:20

  • Kryon #65 5 years ago

    @Isere

    "Its pretty well known at this stage that most multiplatform games are developed for Xbox 360 first due to its wider user base so its not really fair to compare them to their rushed ports on PS3."

    You do know that the PS3 has had alot of problems regarding the unreal engine. That's why Fatal inertia ( a PS3 launch title) has now been delayed and shipped to the 360? Regardless, I use history to make judgements about the future, you seem to use excuses and unfounded optimism, I go by what I've seen the 360 actually do, you seem to go by what Sony tells you the CELL can do, Sony have lied many times before as you well know, I just hope your optimism doesn't let you down.

    " I would even go one step further and say that since PS3 is getting a rare preferrential treatment for UT3, it will probably not be better on the 360 this time around."

    Surely Virtua Fighter 5 received the same 'preferential' treatment, yet the 360 version is coming out with enhanced features & online play (therefore will be better once again).

  • Vice.Destroyer #66 4 years ago

    Rein could benefit from some common sense.