Gates praises Xbox 360 reliability

By Robert Purchese Published 10 January, 2008

Says positive feedback proves it.

Soon to be sort of retired Microsoft chief Bill Gates has called Xbox 360 the most reliable console on the market.

His comments were made at CES to the BBC, which fired reader concerns at him - a remarkable amount apparently concerning Xbox failure rate.

"Well we certainly had to apologise to our users about the number of boxes that had to be replaced. We did that for free, for all those people, and we got a lot of positive feedback about the way we handled it," said Gates.

"We've got incredible reliability on the new work that we've done. Our commitment is that it will be the most reliable videogame box out there. People love the Xbox because of the content, but we've got to make sure the hardware never stands in the way of that."

Bill Gates has been gradually stepping out of the picture at Microsoft and will eventually become a part-time chairman there, although he insists his involvement will still be strong.

He wants to go off and follow his philanthropic pursuits, you see, chiefly his Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which grants funds to things like AIDS prevention, scholarships for under-represented minorities and more.

Quite a good bloke, really. But then we would be more cheery if we were worth a reported USD 56 billion.

Gates also forecast his vision of the future to the BBC, predicting that traditional interfaces like mouse and keyboard would become obsolete in favour of more Star Trek inventions like voice and touch systems.

Naturally this gave him a perfect segueway to blab about Microsoft Surface, the impressive coffee table-like machine with massive touch-screen cleverness that was unveiled last year.

"I'll be brave," pledged Gates. "In five years we'll have many tens of millions of people sitting browsing their photos, browsing their music, organising their lives using this type of touch interface."

Whistle your way to our CES 2008 Gates keynote to see what he had in store for his swan-song performance.

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About Robert Purchese

Bertie is Eurogamer's Senior Staff Writer. When he's not hunting down news stories he's often found playing with his kids or gabbling about fantasy games and strange online worlds.

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Comments (125) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • jellyhead #1 4 years ago

    MS finally see what Ninty have been doing for years now. ha, late to the party but not as late as Sony. :)

  • GamesConnoisseur #2 4 years ago

    Basically I m indifference to Bill Gates, he is just a bloke who was in the right place at the right time (or for anti-BG replace the rights with the wrongs). Dunno why all the fuss/agnst/blood pressures some people get off him!

    He is moving off the scene gradually, let us get on with our gaming in peace!

  • sharpfish #3 4 years ago

    Bill Gates can kiss my shiny red ring*






    *And I don't normally mind him but this is a lie too far, still waiting for my 360 to work 'reliably'

  • Lukus #4 4 years ago

    I like Bill Gates. He's a very sexy man.

  • doragor #5 4 years ago

    @sharpfish

    join the club. 3rd time I've sent mine back and still waiting. I love my 360 but let's not pretend it's reliable, Bill.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 16:24

  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #6 4 years ago

    EG with another flame bating headline, in your own article it says "he wants it to be" he doesnt say it is, nothing to see here.

  • macmurphy #7 4 years ago

    "we got a lot of positive feedback about the way we handled it"

    You also got a fair bit of negative feedback for making toss hardware to start with.

    "We've got incredible reliability on the new work that we've done. Our commitment is that it will be the most reliable videogame box out there."

    This seems like a bit of a Troll post on Eurogamer's part unless the quotes they've used do not reflect what he said. He doesn't praise the reliability of the XBOX360 as a whole, he just says the new versions are reliable and glosses over the fact that the old ones were pony. Whether thay are, only time will tell but as it stands his comments, whilst evasive, seem sound enough. It raises the point, however, that as a brand it will never be that reliable as long as old models are in service. I've got an Elite, so if that breaks down I'll know he was telling porkys and I will go round and twat the bloke.

  • Ganon_wants_a_360 #8 4 years ago

    LOL the most reliable in the market?

    I worked at Game for a year, and in that time I saw faulty PS2s every couple of weeks, and only one or two faulty Wiis the whole time I worked there.... (I left soon after the PS3 launch so can't speak for it's reliability)

    And at least 5 or 6 faulty 360s a week. We were a busy store though, so sold much more than 5-6 a week, but still...

  • Lukus #9 4 years ago

    Does no one read the actual article anymore?

  • McLovin85 #10 4 years ago

    nearly wet myself when i read that title

  • Quiiick #11 4 years ago

    @ Lukus.
    I almost wetted my pants when I read your comment! :D

    "I like Bill Gates. He's a very sexy man."

  • cyber_nicco #12 4 years ago

    Well, my 8/07 Elite doesn't get warm to the touch - it really is quite reassuring. DVD drive is still loud though, but I don't really notice it. Knock on wood, of course, but I feel quite confident that my 360 will last a reasonably long amount of time...

    /edit typo
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 16:35

  • systems #13 4 years ago

    If you read the interview, he never says it's reliable:
    "Our commitment is that it will be the most reliable videogame box out there." It isn't now - it will be. As no date is specified he can't be proven wrong.

    The "positive feedback" quoted is purely about the new replacement programme, and the new replacement programme is better than the old one so it will have positive feedback (people are unlikely to complain that something was better).

    EG have put a very misleading spin on the entire article. Even the article title is misleading.

  • Kiigan #14 4 years ago

    In fairness folks, read the article. What he ACTUALLY said was "Our commitment is that it will be the most reliable videogame box out there." and then went on to say that the more recent models have been much more reliable. Which is fair enough really.

    Of course I'm now on my eighth Xbox 360, but I'm not altogether surprised that I haven't read any Bill Gates interviews saying "Wow, we spectacularly fucked up with Xbox 360 eh?".

  • mossychops001 #15 4 years ago

    Bye Bye Joe 90! Go and save the world with your mate Bono and G W Bush.

  • orenishii #16 4 years ago

    I'll reserve judgement on the new wave of 360's out there, but I have to say the experience I've had with my 1st generation machine has been p*ss poor. I'm without it at the moment due to the disc drive biting the bullet (5 month's old) and this is my 4th..... or was it 5th? I've had since purchasing it 2 years ago! In fairness I haven't had to shell out for repairs but it still doesn't excuse the poor build quality!!! I've got a Super Nes upstairs that has worked without a hitch for 15 years!!

  • omoshiroi #17 4 years ago

    Read the article folks. The title of the article is very misleading - which seems to be happening more and more at EG.

  • Salvia #18 4 years ago

    "MS finally see what Ninty have been doing for years now. ha, late to the party but not as late as Sony. :)"

    What are you talking about??? The article is about the reliability of the 360 (or the lack of it) and you somehow manage to big up Nintendo, congratulate MS and slag off Sony?!?!?!

    The Wii and PS3 are a fucking damn sight more reliable than the 360

  • doragor #19 4 years ago

    *actually reads article*

    oh, he didn't say it was reliable

  • MarkHW #20 4 years ago

    Given the fact that the actual quote is "Our commitment is that it will be the most reliable videogame box out there", what makes the first line of this article anything other than a bare-faced lie?

  • Carlo #21 4 years ago

    "Our commitment is that it will be the most reliable videogame box out there. " A worthwhile commitment, when are they actually going to start delivering it?

    I've been through 5 before I told them to poke it and give me back my money.
    I was told by a manager in one of HMV's most biggest stores that the 360 was the most unreliable piece of hardware they had EVER sold.
    They've featured on Watchdog who investigated them.
    They completely mis-predicted the Christmas 'rush' which evidently killed Live for over a week during Christmas.
    Their latest revision appears to be just as reliable as all the other versions.

    It does have the lions share of this HD generation of games. For now.

  • Salvia #22 4 years ago

    "Read the article folks. The title of the article is very misleading - which seems to be happening more and more at EG."

    Hmmm let's see.

    Title of article ; Gates praises Xbox 360 reliability
    Quote from article ; "We've got incredible reliability on the new work that we've done. "

    Where's the conflict? Stop being so fucking pedantic. We all (including Gates) know that the 360 was unreliable. MS reckon they've sorted that now. The latest revs of the hardware seem more stable so he can get away with saying the 360 is reliable.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 16:58

  • omoshiroi #23 4 years ago

    Read the whole article, or at least the surrounding paragraphs from the sentence you quoted - and try again ;)
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 16:54

  • symbiote #24 4 years ago

    As resident PS3 fanboy I will rise above the situation and resist the urge to say anything about this article.




    (I'm finding it quite easy to be fair as I'm far too busy pissing my pants, falling off my chair and asphyxiating with uncontrollable laughter)

  • Carlo #25 4 years ago

    Hey Bill, this is a post of one of your customers (not me):

    "I found this on the internet earlier, I believe that Microsoft is very disloyal and the way they treat their consumers is very messed up. Read this, tell me what you think.

    won’t pretend that this is a completely original idea and no one else has ever raised the question of why Xbox Live is a pay service. In fact, I used to be one of the people who argued against them and supported Xbox Live. But, with recent Xbox Live troubles and news, it’s becoming significantly more difficult to do this. Having taken the time to really look at the state of Xbox Live is making me have to start agreeing with the people who I used to argue against.

    Let’s start with the recent Xbox Live downtime. It is, quite frankly, absolutely unacceptable for a pay service. Until a few days ago, my brother had a two week period where he could not recover his GamerTag from Xbox Live. That’s two weeks of no Xbox Live access whatsoever. He tried deleting the profile of his Xbox and recovering it again, but this didn’t work either. Now he couldn’t even access his game saves or earn any achievements. Although I had my account on my Xbox, that’s not to say everything’s been great. Like the rest of you, I’ve been experiencing a lot of trouble with Xbox Live. Inability to join games, sign in to Xbox Live, load the dashboard blades, sometimes problems bad enough to freeze my 360 entirely until I pulled out the Ethernet cable.

    Yes, we’re getting a free Xbox Live Arcade game as compensation for nearly 3 weeks of Xbox Live downtime. Woohoo. No details have been given, and as a result I suspect that this free game will be a specific title or list of titles which Microsoft will choose. I feel that at the very least we deserve to be either refunded for a month of Xbox Live or given a free month on top of this. Think about it, if your cell phone service had trouble for a month, dropping calls, refusing to dial numbers, etc., you wouldn’t be satisfied with a free cell phone game. The first step would be a refund for that month and then some sort of compensation for the inconvenience on top of that.

    Connection troubles aside, there’s other reasons why I feel Xbox Live shouldn’t be a pay service. As of March 1, 2008, Xbox Live Diamond will become an additional $6.95 fee. No thanks. Not only was this service close to worthless, but to charge for something that was supposed to be a benefit of paying for the Xbox Live service is absurd. It was pathetic as a freebie and to think anyone is willing to pay for this is ridiculous.

    Next up, Xbox Live is full of ads. Even when you first boot up your Xbox 360, you’re greeted with ads on the Xbox Live blade. While this may not seem like a huge issue, how would you feel if your internet service provider, who you pay a fee to, placed ads on the desktop of your computer (which you also paid for)? Gold members should at the very least be given an option to disable these ads.

    Xbox Live also feels the need to wrap content in restrictive DRM schemes that limit users’ access to the items they’ve purchased. Worst of all, this is done without proper warning of just how restrictive it is. Xbox Live Arcade titles and dashboard themes are unusable when not connected to Xbox Live unless you are on the same Xbox they are purchased on. So, as a reward for being a loyal customer and upgrading to the Halo 3 edition of the Xbox 360, all the content I purchased on my previous content is now unusable when I’m not signed into Live on the account I purchased them from. This means that when Xbox Live is having trouble or when I’m on vacation or anywhere else I don’t have steady high speed internet access, I can’t play the games which I have paid for.

    Despite the fee for Xbox Live, networking is almost entirely peer to peer reliant. There are no dedicated servers for games, something which has been long available to PC games with no online fee. The average residential high speed internet connection often does not have an upload bandwidth capable of properly supporting large amounts of players. This results in lag and allows for exploits relying on network manipulation, for example the standby cheating which plagued Halo 2.

    One would think that the fee for Xbox Live would entitle users to extra content to justify the fee. However, Microsoft allows companies to charge often high prices for nearly every single piece of downloadable content for games. This setup for the Xbox Live Marketplace encourages developers to either purposefully withhold content or release games lacking content with the intent of later releasing and charging an additional fee for the rest of the content. Xbox Live’s content setup may even discourage free content. Epic Games founder Tim Sweeney is quoted in a 1Up Podcast as saying that “We've been wanting to give them away for a long time, but actually Microsoft has been pushing back on us for that.” The video game magazine Game Informer supported this in a 2007 issue where they also claimed that Microsoft forces companies to charge for content they wish to distribute. I do not doubt this to be the case, as free content for online PC games has long been the standard. Call of Duty 4 currently has a new downloadable map available for PC users which is absent from the 360 version.

    So, what exactly is Xbox Live offering its paying customers? A unified friends list? The same feature has been available to PC gamers through free applications such as XFire and Steam. Put simply, the features of Xbox Live simply do not justify its price when considering the free services offered by the competitors and the robust structure of online PC gaming.

    Although I’m sure many are likely to disagree with me and simply respond with “if you don’t like it, don’t pay,” it’s not quite that simple. Without an online service, my games and the console itself lose much of their playability and worth. I also lose contact with my friends who still use Xbox Live. So unless I’m willing to cut off contact with my friends and make my system no longer worth playing, no longer paying for Xbox Live isn’t really an option.

    I’d like to hear the thoughts of the rest of the community. I feel that now, in light of the recent Xbox Live downtime, is a good time to start changing Xbox."

  • omoshiroi #26 4 years ago

    Lol Salvia - no need to edit your post to add some swearwords to your arguement :)

    If quite obvious how EG 'play' with the titles of their articles to drive people to their forums.

    No matter either way. You have been ignored.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 17:06

  • Salvia #27 4 years ago

    "and try again ;)"

    I don't need to. He said it was shit, they replaced units and implied they've improved the hardware ("We've got incredible reliability on the new work that we've done";). Therefore he is praising the 360 reliability as well as acknowledging there was a problem initially.
    You fail. Not that you can read this anyway I may as well add some more swearwords you patronising fuckstick.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 17:03

  • andrewwd #28 4 years ago

    I'd just like to agree with everyone else who noted that the headline for this article is trolling, childish, cynical flame bait.

  • PEANUTXXI #29 4 years ago

    I just wish the bloody thing was quieter. I've had a 360 since launch and (touch wood) it's never RROD. I have however had to buy a stand alone DVD player as I have to turn my TV up about 10 notches to hear the thing over the sound of the jet engine, er, 360.

  • thedaveeyres #30 4 years ago

    This is MADNESS!!

    No, this is MS!

    *bill gates pushes interviewer into pit*

  • Vic #31 4 years ago

    360lol

    This suffices surely?
    Edited by 3 at 10/01/08 @ 17:26

  • Ihya #32 4 years ago

    Priceless bullshit Bill. I think even Baghdad Bob, the information minister during the gulf war would spit his coffee over his monitor over that one.

  • Kryon #33 4 years ago

    @Vic

    I'm actually laughing at your post but not for the reasons you'd hope for. Does it really take three edits to write "360LOL" ?

  • Kryon #34 4 years ago

    VicCantSpellLOL

  • TheWretched #35 4 years ago

    It's official now,

    Bill Gates III lost his mind. I mean, COME ON. Microsofts gaming division needed to take the dump and lost $1Bil US BECAUSE it was so reliable!

    This is so ridiculous!

  • Whizzo #36 4 years ago

    "I'll be brave," pledged Gates. "In five years we'll have many tens of millions of people sitting browsing their photos, browsing their music, organising their lives using this type of touch interface."

    I doubt that very much.

  • dsmx #37 4 years ago

    Hmm xbox 360 reliability? Lets see there's the xbox live downtime over christmas, there's the stupidly noisy dvd drives, the stupidly noisy cooling fans, the stupid RRoD that could of been fixed last year but you chose instead to extend the warrenty.

    Then we get to a pay service that has ads in it, the overpriced DRM restricted content and the lack of dedicated servers.

    I fail to see why people say the xbox 360 is so good. While the wii doesn't really have online and the ps3 sevice requires work, at least the ps3 one is free and didn't stop working when christmas appeared.

  • DrDamn #38 4 years ago

    Being fair the article opening paragraph is misleading. The more contentious part of his comments I thinks is this bit ...

    "We did that for free, for all those people, and we got a lot of positive feedback about the way we handled it,"

    That is bending the truth a bit. I know a lot of people who's boxes have red ringed recently and they have not been giving positive feedback on the way MS handle it.

  • Stu #39 4 years ago

    It's got a long way to go to be the "most reliable videogame box out there" - my Mega Drive II still works after 15-odd years, but my 2-year-old 360 just got back from it's 2nd fix, which I had to pay for.

    It'd better work this time, Bill.

  • Kryon #40 4 years ago

    "I fail to see why people say the xbox 360 is so good."

    Because it is has the best games. Simple as.

  • DrDamn #41 4 years ago

    @dsmx
    "I fail to see why people say the xbox 360 is so good."

    Because of the games. Minor point I know, but still ...

    Making a near identical post to Kryon - never thought I'd see the day ;)
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 17:43

  • dsmx #42 4 years ago

    In my book a good system is one which you can play games on and not have to worry about sending it off for repairs every few months. The xbox 360 fails miserably on this front, unless of course the fanboys are going to deny all the hardware problems.

  • Kryon #43 4 years ago

    @ All SDF snivelling weasels

    Yes, it's bad that Live was down for a few weeks and I agree MS should refund people who don't want the free game. A 12 month account can be purchased for around £35 so two weeks worth would be a refund of about £1.46p (I'm sure the game they will offer will have a higher value than that). So basically, don't you think you're blowing things a bit out of proportion here? Live has suffered a few problems, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the best online service around. Jesus, stop Whining! I'd pay you lot £1.46 just to STFU, haven't you got anything better to do? Oh no, that's right, not too many decent games on the old PS3, is there....

  • old_skool #44 4 years ago

    Bill is that you ?

  • IneptPercy #45 4 years ago

    Some people who say they have had 5 or more xbox's, I have one question?

    What the f**k are you people doing to them?

    I have a console I got from day one and its still fine with no problems, I can see that all these people who have had problems won't be making it up, but the problem can't be as bad as some people make out.

    Or are they just on the Sony payroll?

  • drumbaby #46 4 years ago

    I think the people who deny they have problems are on the Redmond Wage.

  • Zane #47 4 years ago

    Plenty hate the guy. But most can't deny despite Windows flaws, it was what made computers mainstream in the home. He's had his influences and will bow out with many successes, despite his failures.

    However, tens of millions using touch interfaces in 5 years? No. Costs wont allow it. I'm betting MS Surface will be a fair few grand when it launches.

  • Walshicus #48 4 years ago

    @Zane

    Furthermore, anyone who hates Bill Gates the private citizen is just being stupid. He's done so much for mankind that it's not even funny. If every rich man were as committed to charitable causes as Gates is, the world wouldn't be so fucked up.

    But regardless, I do think the EG headline was too tabloid.

  • Zane #49 4 years ago

    I agree. Whilst the Xbox 360 is not the most reliable piece of kit out there, in just 5 years of Xbox brand being out there on the market, it hasnt done a bad job at all. It may not have the household clout the Playstation brand currently maintains but I have to say that grip Sony has his loosening, even if its the combined efforts of MS and Nintendo, the playing field is much more even now.

    Game on. ;)

  • Calgon #50 4 years ago

    Notice how the usuals see no problem with the headline... theres about 5 people that can't see the intent of it and they are what? You guessed it - M$ haters wanking off to it lol I dont even need to name them.

    Well it seems some EG staff haven't learned, we havent forgotten the run up to 360's and PS3's launch and the clear differences there were in: the choice of news you reported and the headlines given to the articles... to be fair its great to see you arent up Sony's ass as much as you used to be but this makes me wonder if you've just been biding your time to make it less obvious(because sucking up to Sony when they are having their asses handed to them is too obvious... and no Sony arent strong in any territory and I suspect 360 is outselling it everywhere but Japan... wheres these strong European figures after a year of wishfull trolls telling us about them?)
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 18:41

  • Zane #51 4 years ago

    Whilst I wont comment on the whole biased issue. I will agree with a key aspect of Calgon's statement. Sony has no domination over any major territory, not anymore.

    MS still has the grip in the States by however small a margin, Japan is pretty much Nintendo dominated these days, the DS is outselling the PSP, the Wii the PS3, and really, MS still has yet to gain a foothold there.

    And as for PAL territories they seem off-hand sales-wise to be very even since the PS2's day, it'll be interesting to see how this one plays out, and if any one format "wins" at all.

  • Vic #52 4 years ago

    @ Kryon

    Dickhead.

    It was edited 3 times because I felt it neccessary to write more. Then I finally realised there simply was no need. Cheap chinese components and a Dyson level of noise:

    3fixmelol

  • Calgon #53 4 years ago

    Zane Well I did praise them for sorting it out too if you look properly, would be a shame to go back to those days.

  • neilka #54 4 years ago

    seguewaylol

  • Vic #55 4 years ago

    Realistically, all 360 owners should prepare themselves for at least 1 month of the year while they wait for their refurb unit to arrive from MS HQ.

    Gates' is basically taking the piss out of consumers good faith. Good riddance.

  • Kryon #56 4 years ago

    @Vic

    MasterBrain

    Wow, so your original post was even less inventive than "360LOL" I take it? Good job Mungo.

  • Vic #57 4 years ago

    Ah Kryon, Gates' natural successor to the MS throne.

  • BTBAM #58 4 years ago

    What a tosser. Tell that to all the people like me who's Xbox DVD drive died just out of warranty and his cuntish men on the phones had the audacity to tell me that there's nothing wrong with the Xbox reliability and I was making too big a fuss out of it.

    I've managed to persuade a few friends not to buy a 360 because of it, and they've got a PS3 instead. Unfortunately one of them died after 3 weeks, but whatever, I felt like a big man.

    I love the 360, but next time round I will avoid it if this happens again. No game is worth wasting your cash on this shit.

  • NickNack #59 4 years ago

    Eurogamer are worse than system wars members with their lame flame baiting BS and lies.

  • septimus #60 4 years ago

    I'll tell you in 6 months if my 2 day old Elite was as reliable as my old launch day Premium (4 RRoDs and fixes), then I may agree with him.

    Until then PS3/Wii > 360 in stability. Actually my CD32 is more reliable.

    Oh and Ineptpercy = tool/blocked/
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 19:57

  • NickNack #61 4 years ago

    For all you people to dumb to read, this is where Eurogamer have turned this place into a house of lies, first line of article

    Soon to be sort of retired Microsoft chief Bill Gates has called Xbox 360 the most reliable console on the market.

    If you read what Bill said he didn't say that at all.

  • grav #62 4 years ago

    how can he say it is reliable? i am on my 3rd xbox? never had any problems with any other consoles and i have owned pretty much all of them!!

  • phantom516 #63 4 years ago

    lol I have 2 xbox 360s , both of them have failed repeatedly, so far I have had 5 machines.... reliable eh !!

  • Muddtallica #64 4 years ago

    It's been said a number of times, but come on EG, there's no need to stir things so childishly with misleading headlines. What is this, News of the World?

    The reliability issue seems to keep rolling on, I see, which really irritates me. I'd very much like to play a large number of 360 titles, and I would like to say that I intend to buy one as soon as I can afford it, but these frequent horror stories about people going through ten systems really do put me off; I mean, it doesn't matter how good the games are if you can't switch the damn thing on, does it? I'm a potential customer waiting right here, if only they'd just get their asses in gear and fix this, which they ought to have done years ago anyway...

  • Gaol #65 4 years ago

    @Calgon
    "I suspect 360 is outselling it everywhere but Japan... wheres these strong European figures after a year of wishfull trolls telling us about them?) "

    Eh? So much misinformation about here. The best figures you can get for free are on VGChartz and they show the PS3 outselling X360 worlwide for a number of weeks now; and the best performing region for Sony is Europe, by quite a margin - if you care about that sort of thing. I find it interesting that the best selling region is that with only the 40gb model on sale, maybe Sony are right about BC.

  • Nithron #66 4 years ago

    I don't understand why the guys running Apple and Microsoft think that the only function of a computer is to organize photos.
    As far as I can tell, most people just use their computers for accessing the internet

  • MilkYMoO #67 4 years ago

    I've never had trouble with my euro launchday 360, and have had more trouble with my launchday wii. Since I'm a huge multiplatform gamer I've decided to get a ps3. I think I've tracked down a 60 gig ps3, thanks to forum postings about them still being sold in my local dixons, and hope to get one in the next few days(fingers crossed). I dont want to buy the 40 gig version because I remember only a few months ago, all the news about the possible 40% failure rate of the 40 gig versions.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 20:55

  • Calgon #68 4 years ago

    Gaol VGChartz the best are they? because they have PS3 selling better when word of mouth is so different? UK is Europes biggest Video Game nation and 360 is selling better, the rest is anyones guess but people are assuming. Lets see when the real figures are released is all Im saying, theyve yet to show any real figures showing Sony doing well in Europe let alone considerably better than 360 as you are now trying to tell me is fact(which is why I said it... basically where are these figures then? been waiting a long time to see the goods, thats usually a bad sign, especially with how well we know Sony)... do you atleast agree with that?
    Edited by 2 at 10/01/08 @ 21:01

  • Les #69 4 years ago

    Sorry but this is ridiculous. Even the most fanatic xbot must feel embarrased by statements like this... :(

    Bill seems to have totally lost one of the two things he was ever good at: Marketing (he's of course still a master backstabber). The CES 2008 speech was an embarrasment and now this. Even the idiots that buy stocks finally have opened their eyes.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 20:59

  • Ryze #70 4 years ago

    My Elite is working just fine. Quiet too. Falcon is lovely.

    I'll keep you all posted, as I'm sure to be fuming if it blows up after what Bill just said.

  • kaosridder #71 4 years ago

    Les - why is that? He clearly states that the old hardware was shotty but that the new ones should be vastly improved. True or not, I dont know, but there doesnt seem to be that many stories floating about relating to the new ones. Still bad that the first ones sucked obviously. I returned two to ms. One of them took 2 months to fix because they got so many shotty at that time (6 months ago). Believe that was the pinnacle really.

  • Kryon #72 4 years ago

    I reckon Les' Wife left him for an MS employee, there can be no other reason for his absolute hatred of the company. Either that or he's a disgruntled MS employee himself, the office cleaner perhaps?

  • bushwod #73 4 years ago

    My first 360 died after a year.

    The replacment they eventially sent me takes about 6 attempts to read a disk and crashes if there's the slightest scratch.

    Reliable?

    Shove it up your arse Bill.
    Then die!

    (and I'm an xbox fan)
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 21:45

  • Raz76 #74 4 years ago

    As someone who had to have his 360 replaced for a faulty dvd-drive in December, only to suffer the three red rings just this week, that is really quite an insult.

  • Les #75 4 years ago

    "True or not, I dont know, but there doesnt seem to be that many stories floating about relating to the new ones. Still bad that the first ones sucked obviously. I returned two to ms. One of them took 2 months to fix because they got so many shotty at that time (6 months ago). Believe that was the pinnacle really."

    Might be. But he also said the following about the way they handled the fixing/replacement service: "we got a lot of positive feedback about the way we handled it". Which is complete and utter bollocks.

    Love this comment: "In five years we'll have many tens of millions of people sitting browsing their photos, browsing their music, organising their lives using this type of touch interface.". I'm sure he's right about that one, though I thought he wasn't a big fan of the iPhone and iPod touch...

  • SomaticSense #76 4 years ago

    Normally I go on some kind of a rant, but this time I'll be brief.

    Bill Gates believes the 360 is reliable???? Is he actually fucking stupid? What a twat.

  • Kryon #77 4 years ago

    "we got a lot of positive feedback about the way we handled it". Which is complete and utter bollocks."

    Les, you've never sent a 360 back to MS because you've never owned one, so you don't know f*** all about how things are handled. My system died, I got it back in two weeks like they promised, it now runs cooler and I've had no problems since. My brothers 360 died about a week and a half before Xmas, MS fast tracked his so he would have it back before Chrimbo. Yes, it's a shame that they broke in the first place but MS did handle things very well in mine and my bros cases. So please STFU and stop spouting bile about a subject you know nothing about. Fool.

  • Vic #78 4 years ago

    Hahaha!

    Kryon's having a breakdown because his beloved MS is getting burned for a change.

    Tell me Kryon, is everyone else in the thread also lying when they say they say they have had 3 or 4 360's, and often had to wait 4-5 weeks for the privilege of having it fixed? Can anyone think of a more unreliable consumer electronics device? The fact that Kryon is so quick to have a dig at the 'SDF', and lick MS's arse at every attempt is laughable!

  • Kryon #79 4 years ago

    Vic, you're a twat so I won't bother with a proper reply.

    Edit - Lol, I just checked your recent forum activity,You're worse than that Apologie kid, how come 90% of your posts are anti-MS (or related)? Did big Billy bum rape you or something? Actually don't bother answering as I can't be bothered with you anymore.

    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 22:37

  • Vic #80 4 years ago

    Ah look I've upset the poor kid.

    Kryon is the first to 'diss' Sony whenever something negative pops up. The 'SDF' (as he calls it) do the same thing, and he starts spazzing out in front of his PC!

    MS has made history. Despite ALL its money, it has produced the most unreliable product in console history.

  • Gaol #81 4 years ago

    @ Calgon

    "theyve yet to show any real figures showing Sony doing well in Europe let alone considerably better than 360 as you are now trying to tell me is fact(which is why I said it... basically where are these figures then? been waiting a long time to see the goods, thats usually a bad sign, especially with how well we know Sony)... do you atleast agree with that? "

    I don't think you realize the bias towards Playstation brand on the continent, some countries have a bigger Sony bias than Japan itself and I'm sure folks from those countries here have said Microsoft have done little to no marketing there. VGChartz at least try to extrapolate from sample data and the site owner has said that Europe is their most reliable region statistics wise.

  • kangarootoo #82 4 years ago

    Whaa?!?

    Ok, let me put my level head back on.

    The way MS set a huge pile of cash aside for the 360 warranties was commendable... but seriously. RELIABLE? I was a skeptic at the start, I assumed everyone was over-reacting, I assumed failure rates were within expected degrees, etc. But I hope I've never been too small a man to not be able to say I'm wrong when I'm wrong.

    I'm on my 3rd 360 now. The ONLY person I know who owns a 360 and has not had to return it at least once bought an Elite model for his first 360. Another friend of mine has one in warranty return right now, another is on his 5th, I kid yee not.

    I'm no fan of anecdotal evidence, so however many friends I have with bust 360s, it doesn't mean anything when put alongside hard facts. But the hard facts say the 360 has been extraordinarily unreliable also.

    Let me give context here. I love my 360. Its my main console, and it has shed loads of good games. XBLive is imo the best online gaming service ever created. The dashboard integration behind every running title is sublime....

    However, I praise the day I bought it from PC World (whom I normally don't touch) as each time it has fallen over I've driven there, swapped it, and driven home. Total down time < 1 hour. The thing is just not anything close to what any sane and rational person would call a reliable piece of electronic equipment (games console or otherwise).

    Like I said, the way they extended the warranty was well done, but no company who finds they must set aside an unexpected billion dollars to deal with failed product can consider that product to be up to par?

    If Bill is on about the new Elite model, well I wouldn't know but I hear it is pretty reliable. Thank christ for that.
    Edited by 1 at 10/01/08 @ 23:05

  • kangarootoo #83 4 years ago

    What is all this talk of tabloid headlines?

    "Gates praises Xbox 360 reliability"

    Thats what he did. He praised its reliability. How is the headline anything than a basic statement of what happened?

  • Kryon #84 4 years ago

    "MS has made history. Despite ALL its money, it has produced the most unreliable product in console history."

    True, a product that is totally raping Sony's product, nevermind Vic...

    /Goes back to playing The Orange Box (the version that's not shit)

  • Kryon #85 4 years ago

    @Kanga

    It's the first paragraph of the article that people have an issue with -

    Microsoft chief Bill Gates has called Xbox 360 the most reliable console on the market.

    He didn't actually say that, he said he is committed to making the 360 the most reliable system out there...

  • Grogmonkey #86 4 years ago

    I just want to know the number of people that sent back their 360s the second they got a RRoD. I bought my 360 a year or so after launch (just before Gears of War was released, I seem to recall). 6 or 7 months later, I got a RRoD. Rather than packing it up and sending it away to be 'fixed', I waited 30 seconds, turned it back on again, and it worked. Despite the general opinion that a RRoD is 'irreversible console death', there are actually several things that can cause it, not all being fatal. My 360 has survived to this day (although it is gradually dying again. I suspect another RRoD fairly soon. And it can be a little... difficult when trying to start it up. My record so far is 4 attempts before the thing actually turned on. The main thing, however, is that it still works. Mostly. And it had trouble booting before the RRoD hit, anyway, so I put that down to general poor build quality, rather than specific, RRoD-causing poor build quality.).

    Anyway, the point being: how many of the people that have sent back 3+ consoles have just got the RRoD, packed up the console and sent it to MS without actually checking to see if the thing is actually broken?

    Frankly, I hope the 360 DOES become the most reliable console, because it's a good bit of kit with a bunch of great games that I don't want to be without for 2 weeks just because the console is ridiculously poorly designed and decides to set itself on fire.

    On a related note (but in a slightly more 'MS are totally, totally, and, in every conceivable way, completely lame' vein), spread the word:

    http://ww w.gamepartisan.com/editorials/m...

  • Nill #87 4 years ago

    This is actually considered a worthy news-item?

    What's next, Sony telling us we should purchase their console because it has such a spliffy black casing? Or Nintendo proclaiming Miyamoto is the most handsome game-developer?

  • Vic #88 4 years ago

    'True, a product that is totally raping Sony's product, nevermind Vic... '

    Except it isnt. Your beloved 360 sells well in the US, and OK in the UK. Everywhere it is being bitch-slapped by the Wii and PS3.

  • Kryon #89 4 years ago

    Vic, in terms of the 'next gen' console 'war'

    The Wii is first
    The 360 is second
    The PS3 is LAST (like a fat kid on sports day)

    Get over it.

  • Vic #90 4 years ago

    But does it make you feel good Billy?

    Is it a decent substitute for not being able to get laid??

  • Kryon #91 4 years ago

    Haha, pathetic comeback... You shouldn't tar people with the same brush as yourself Vic...

    2/10, must try harder. (and I'm being generous)

  • Vic #92 4 years ago

    But teh 360 has sold 17m!!!!! Thats more than Xbox 1 managed at the same point in its life.

    That is more important than all the shafted customers. This is MS...they get a free pass.

  • darkphoenix #93 4 years ago

    My November/06 Xbox360 frequently refuses to boot, and RRODs.
    That usually happens after a long period off, more than two days.

    Instead of running to the phone, I just turn it off.
    Wait a few 5 seconds, turn it on again, and voilá!
    Bye RROD, see ya next time.

    It really has become something I expect everytime I turn the console on.
    And it does happen a lot.

    Not perfect, but it still stands.

  • Hypnopedia #94 4 years ago

    At the end of the day, MS fucked up big time - they rushed it to market, without much in the way of testing. Having said that, in my experience they have identified the problem and addressed it - I had 3 360's red ring on me - however the 4th one was replaced shortly after they made their 3 year warranty pledge and they would only do this after identifying and remedying the problem ( unless they were fucking crazy, I'll leave that for others to discuss) - the result is my 4th (refurbished) unit has been going strong for over 12 months now, and I still have 12 months warranty left.
    So if a PS3 or Wii were to go tits up after 2 years would Sony or Nintendo replace them?

  • Kryon #95 4 years ago

    LOL "Shafted customers", hilarious! My 360 died, MS quickly sent me a new one which I've had no probs with, I don't feel shafted. If someone were to install malware and rootkits on my system...Then I might feel shafted....

    Funny how the SDF conveniently forget how shoddy the early PS2 build was, I don't recall Sony fixing my out of warranty PS2s when they borked (I'm on my fourth, all paid for out of my own cash), now that's what you call shafted.
    Edited by 1 at 11/01/08 @ 01:01

  • 3william56 #96 4 years ago

    /wonders if the reported sales figures Kryon and co are so fond of include all those returned to the shop.

  • jiggles100 #97 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    "I don't recall Sony fixing my out of warranty PS2s when they borked (I'm on my fourth, all paid for out of my own cash), now that's what you call shafted."

    ... so that's why you walk in that strange way ;) Seriously though, is this what pushed you to the dark side, Darth Kryon?

  • Les #98 4 years ago

    "But teh 360 has sold 17m!!!!!"

    Correction: it was shipped 17m times. Distribution channels are probably so stuffed with 360s right now, MS doesn't need to ship a single one till next christmas... Kind of what they did with the poor Zune...

  • Les #99 4 years ago

    "/wonders if the reported sales figures Kryon and co are so fond of include all those returned to the shop."

    Of course they are. Like every other business, in this industry or elsewhere, MS graspes every chance to present inflated sales (shipped) figures.
    Edited by 1 at 11/01/08 @ 06:49

  • Darren #100 4 years ago

    Yet, again EG use another grossly misleading headline, which as others have said seems to be happening an awful lot of late with headlines that appear out of context when you read the actual article. Surely all it takes is a bit of common-sense and to change it to "Gate praises latest Xbox 360's reliability"?

    As for Gates comments, I love the way he twisted something negative into something positive by implying that customers have praised Microsoft for offering a three year warranty to cover the dreaded RROD! I'm sure that isn't the case for all those people who've had to send their Xbox 360s back more than once and to wait a month at a time for it to be returned!!! LOL

    Let's face it, Microsoft made a huge, huge balls up by rushing the 360 out without testing it thoroughly and that has undoubted had an affect on sales. I know loads of people who refuse to buy an Xbox 360 because of its poor reliability and even the UPS guy that picked mine up refused to let his son have one as he picked up a dozen broken units per week. Maybe if the machine had been reliable from day one they might have sold 5 million more Xbox 360s by now instead of having that figure as the number of units that have been repaired/replaced since launch! ;)

  • Darren #101 4 years ago

    Noticed that CVG's headline for this story is '360 to be "most reliable" console, says Gates'... shame that EG couldn't have come up with that, at least that does say exactly what he meant in only a few words! ;)

  • Les #102 4 years ago

    "Maybe if the machine had been reliable from day one they might have sold 5 million more Xbox 360s by now instead of having that figure as the number of units that have been repaired/replaced since launch! ;)"

    Nah, they would have sold the same amount, though there would have been 5 million more actual users...

  • DrDamn #103 4 years ago

    @Kryon
    Sony did replace my out of warrenty PS2 quite happily for a drive tray issue. The first PS was probably worse for problems (remembers later days of playing with the console upside down :). I also think Sony have (or maybe had) a better policy for issues in that they collected your old one and gave you a replace straight away. People have been waiting for 6 weeks in some cases for MS to "fix" their machines only for it to break on them again once returned. However ...

    @Hypnopedia
    "At the end of the day, MS fucked up big time - they rushed it to market"

    Absolutely this is was not a fuck up but a calculated risk which has paid off for them in my opinion. Was it rushed to market? Yes. Is that the cause of some of these problems? Yes. Has it given them a possibly unsurmountable lead this generation in the market (against the PS3)? Yes. While the rush may be the root of technical issues do not underestimate the advantage this has given them. I did wonder if they could ride the storm of problems and come out the other side, and I think they probably have at this point.

  • kangarootoo #104 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    "It's the first paragraph of the article that people have an issue with"

    Ah, fair enough. Thats just a misleading misquote, so I agree its a bit off (though I don't mind that much compared to some on here).


    "True, a product that is totally raping Sony's product, nevermind Vic..."

    I should reaffirm my position, which is that the 360 is otherwise a great machine. BUT, the two things are not connected. Its an unreliable device, however well it performs in the marketplace. Why do you guys have to be so personal about it all, searching for ways to attack and insult each other.

    360 is currently outperforming PS3. FACT.

    360 reliability is embarrassing. FACT.

    What happens between the 360 and PS3 in the next 5 years is anyone's guess, none of us really know, chances are both consoles will do well and we'll all have fun games to play. FACT.

    I own no shares in any console making corporation, I'll be none of you do either, so why can't you all just be a bit more adult about it all? Come on everyone, as a favour to me :)

  • kangarootoo #105 4 years ago

    @Kryon and Vic

    Look, why don't you two just f*ck and get it over with. Jesus, its like watching Hermione and Ron in a Harry potter film.

  • Kryon #106 4 years ago

    @Arbiter

    For someone on the losing side you sound like a bitter little boy trying to score cheap points over EG's poor reporting and exaggeration of a conversation. Anyway, enjoy your cruddy ports, lost exclusives and jaggy graphics...

  • Kryon #107 4 years ago

    LOL, Kanga watches Harry Potter movies!

  • Psiloc #108 4 years ago

    1. I, too, was mislead by the headline and subtitle.
    2. Kryon was ass raped by a PS3.
    3. That is all.

  • DrDamn #109 4 years ago

    @Kangarootoo
    "360 is currently outperforming PS3. FACT."

    In what way? Hardware sales in the US and UK yes. Worldwide when all totalled no, it's currently the other way round. Technically and on a number of other levels (silly insignificant ones like games) 360 is outperforming the PS3 yes.

  • Les #110 4 years ago

    "360 is currently outperforming PS3. FACT."

    With such a vague definition, it certainly is not a fact... ;) But if you mean there are more 360s out there than PS3s then you're definitely right.

  • Kryon #111 4 years ago

    @Psiloc

    "2. Kryon was ass raped by a PS3. "

    Not far wrong but Sony ass rape everyone, right? Well, unless you're lucky enough to be Japanese.

  • Psiloc #112 4 years ago

    @Kryon
    "Not far wrong"

    ...Wow.

  • Kryon #113 4 years ago

    @Psiloc

    I see you're impressed. I guess the idea of being arse raped by a big black PS3 kinda excites you, eh?

  • Calgon #114 4 years ago

    Oh no its Les, he's certainly not a troll either folks...

    Yeah MS tricked so many stores and warehouses into buying a shitload of extra stock when by his calculations, they probably still had millions in the retail channels(because "its not even passed 10million" yet or something lol)... because he really knows how stock control works, it doesnt cost the stores/warerhoused more at all this way, nope - just keep throwing them on the stock pile and ordering more. ;)

    Get over it Sonyfanboys, why fool yourselves? PS3 is exactly where it deserves to be, far behind in 3rd place. Infact if it were any other company than Sony it would have died ages ago... its just selling on its name(theres also the loyal "supporters" who enjoy being shafted and lied to for 2 generations running), thats not going to last for ever, not even in Europe where "they love sony best and will savez PS3 lolz".

    Also no returns arent included because thats not a sale to MS and also many returns are done directly to MS without the store being involved. Just look at the software charts to see who's talking sense and who's hoping because they are insecure about the PS3s position this gen.

    Infact Im going to call it now how its going to end up:

    1st place: Wii
    2nd place: 360 with the strongest software sales
    3rd place: PS3 but atleast its still "living" right? Did you see what I did there?
    Edited by 5 at 11/01/08 @ 12:20

  • bioreit #115 4 years ago

    @ DrDamn

    "Technically and on a number of other levels (silly insignificant ones like games) 360 is outperforming the PS3 yes"

    My Sarcasm 3000 Detector is borked today, so really don't know if you're seriously being dismissive of games as being important....

  • kangarootoo #116 4 years ago

    @DrDamn

    I mean profit from games sold, as of right now, this minute. I should have been more specific.

    As far as current trends in console sales, all sorts of conclusions and future predictions can be made, but I'm trying to just stick to known facts such as bottom line (and anyway, I was just trying to balance my point about reliability, in case some people don't know me well enough to realise I don't do "sides";).

    @Les

    Quite right, as I say above, I should have been more specific.

    "LOL, Kanga watches Harry Potter movies!"

    Well thats put me in my place, no doubt.

    @bioreit

    I'm going to err on it being sarcasm.

    @Kryon, Calgon and fellow crazies, go on, just try and be objective for a moment. It might even be fun. What is it that drives such loyalty to a piece of electronica that you can't entertain the idea of factual balance even slightly. Its all just a cloud of tit for tat, greased with a thick layer of sub-par puns. I really need to understand what happens to a mind that it would find that sort of discussion interesting. We could be learning, stretching out minds, finding out new stuff. Maybe we just need some kind of inpiring song to get us all motivated (@bioreit, that bit was sarcasm too ;) )

  • Calgon #117 4 years ago

    kangarootoo excuse me but screw you, I dont even own a 360 so Im fairly objective, I'm just refusing to be anti-MS just because its the "cool" way to be.

    As for the style of reporting in this article, yes there is reason for critisism perhaps because youve been burned personally you are the one who needs to be more objective and actually take a look at the complaints properly and think it over properly.

    I really need to understand what happens to a mind that it would find that sort of discussion interesting. We could be learning, stretching out minds, finding out new stuff.

    Interesting is whining about the same things over and over even after theyve been addressed? Right yeah productive, interesting, intelligent... going to learn alot there, or maybe its just the SDF trolls who want to keep pressing issues like this because theyve dropped a shit load of cash on a console thats in 3rd place with the very little I can see in the way of AAA titles. It may get better(the number of AAA tittles should do atleast) but lets not pretend the sad c***s arent the ones trolling with anti-ms bollocks at every given opportunity, thats the sort of thing that I find hard to beleive people find interesting.
    Edited by 3 at 11/01/08 @ 13:31

  • bioreit #118 4 years ago

    @ Kanga

    It may be borked, but it's not bloody non-existent ;-) But I for one sing 'Ra-Ra-Rapsutin, Lover of the Russian Queen' to myself whenever I feel de-motivated. Not that it helps, but at least I can annoy my friends and co-workers with it :-D

    Methinks the console aficionados need to be examined, both mentally and physically. There has to be some proper explanation for their behaviour - unless its just latent tribalistic mentalities, or somesuch pseudo-Freudian psycho-babble.

  • DrDamn #119 4 years ago

    Yes sarcasm, I did consider a smiley to remove doubt, but really I didn't need it did I?

    @Calgon
    "but lets not pretend the sad c***s arent the ones trolling with anti-ms bollocks at every given opportunity, thats the sort of thing that I find hard to beleive people find interesting"

    You don't think the whole situation is self perpetuating. Look at any MS or Sony news thread and there are trolls from both camps. Replace anti-ms with anti-sony in your quote above and you get the view from the other side. They do it, cos they do it, cos they do it ...

  • Les #120 4 years ago

    "There has to be some proper explanation for their behaviour - unless its just latent tribalistic mentalities, or somesuch pseudo-Freudian psycho-babble."

    Humans like to think they're rational beings (me included) but we're not. Because we're small and fragile, we had to rely on cooperation and our wit (in that order) to survive. Our brains are hardwired to stimulate bonding which allowed us to form cohesive groups (all for one) that back in the days could kill a mammoth, a sabre tooth tiger or other big beasts. We’re biologically inclined to form groups and it can be over the most crazy shared interests, like football clubs, console brands, etc. Our brains haven’t evolved much since then (as on an evolutionary scale little time has passed) and the hardwired instinctive emotions take prevalence over rationality. Prime example of this are religion and fanboys (though I begin to doubt whether there’s really a distinction between the two)... ;)

    So the great paradox of humanity is that we keep believing in rationality and in solving issues between people through logic based discussions though this never works in reality.

  • Calgon #121 4 years ago

    DrDamn it is but then Im out of that loop I very rarely comment on PS3 articles and I say everyone should make up their own minds about where they spend their cash(and do so without the need to find agreement to be happy about that decision, all 3 camps of faboys are guilty of trying to dictate whats good, whats not and what we should want to play), I just hate finding so many troll posts for what I do read, day in day out(the kind of posts that are never funny and not worth reading, yet always end with "lol";).

    Edit: Arbiter but if I remember rightly you are a "Sonybot"(theres only one mindset that uses such terms), I'd check your posts but I dont really care... nobody's a fanboy if you ask them though are they?(might have been someone else with a similar name that was getting worked up over Sony's disasterous E3 performance a while back) I dont even mind fanboys(in the sense that everyone has a favourite but some just get a bit carried away, so let them do that where its appropriate by all means), but f*** off to Sonyland or wherever and stop trolling with shit posts filled with the same old crap that only creates shitty arguements.

    But I'm not allowed to have a little dig at MS' expense over this, because if I do I'm a Sony fanboy...(despite the fact I don't actually own a PS3).


    Well a little dig is fine and dandy where relevant(ie dont join every thread with a copy and paste post), Id even say its relevant here but... theres some who just seem to have taken the way the article on Bill's recent comments was presented(ie making it look like Bill was saying: "what you on about? most reliable console ever, no problems there";) too seriously.
    Edited by 5 at 11/01/08 @ 17:01

  • Psiloc #122 4 years ago

    "I see you're impressed. I guess the idea of being arse raped by a big black PS3 kinda excites you, eh?"

    Yes, I think about it every night. Damn you and your insight.
    Edited by 1 at 11/01/08 @ 17:11

  • smelly #123 4 years ago

    (shouting at people.. begin)

    TALK ABOUT PARAPHRASING..

    GATES ACTUALLY SAID:

    " it will be the most reliable video game box out there.”
    Edited by 1 at 11/01/08 @ 19:35

  • SomaticSense #124 4 years ago

    darkphoenix - "Instead of running to the phone, I just turn it off.
    Wait a few 5 seconds, turn it on again, and voilá!
    Bye RROD, see ya next time.

    It really has become something I expect everytime I turn the console on.
    And it does happen a lot.

    Not perfect, but it still stands.     "

    ....... and for those of us who don't possess bizarre 360 reviving voodoo powers, our RROD's keep the 360 dead.

    I wish I had a zombie 360 like yours......

  • DrDamn #125 4 years ago

    @Calgon
    "I just hate finding so many troll posts for what I do read, day in day out(the kind of posts that are never funny and not worth reading, yet always end with "lol";)."

    Absolutely. It's exactly the same from the other side. Any bad 360 story is flooded with crap from the PS fanboys and any bad PS3 story flooded from the other side. Here's a hint everyone - if you have put "lol" in your post it is never, ever funny. If you have used juxtaposition of lol at the end of another word in an attempt at humour, then you need to seek help.

  • Kryon #126 4 years ago

    The funny thing is, this isn't even a negative story, Gates is committed to making the 360 a reliable piece of kit, that's all he said (although you wouldn't have guest it from EG's poor take on the subject and the retarded SDF comments)...Sounds like a rather positive story to me...

  • DrDamn #127 4 years ago

    The story isn't negative as such - just touches on a bad subject and has a healthy dose of EG shit stirring with the way parts are phrased.
    Edited by 1 at 14/01/08 @ 13:14