Gamers will upgrade to PS3 later - House

By Ellie Gibson Published 9 June, 2009

Sony Europe boss on profits and price cuts.

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe boss Andrew House has said more people will "upgrade" to PS3 as time goes on and the cost of the console comes down.

"If you look back at previous lifecycles, like PS2 versus N64 [sic], we have lots of data that suggests that lots of people bought into N64 as their entry level gaming device, and were happy to upgrade to a more powerful machine later in the life cycle when the price point was right for them," he told Edge Online.

"I think we’re going to see this later on PS3, and the fact that it’s a Blu-ray player as well and that there’s a [greater] wealth of network based experiences than are perhaps available on the device they already have will add to the proposition."

House then banged on some more about the ten-year life cycle, and how the new motion-sensing controller shown at E3 will make everything all right. Not to mention the PSP Go. But what about that PS3 price cut, mighty House?

"I think you have to position price points around business facing issues like profitability, but I put that in the context of a long life cycle," he said.

"The great thing for me is that European consumers have understood the total value proposition that you get with PS3, not focused solely on pricing. We will have to constantly monitor that and make adjustments when all the factors come into play and make the right decisions at the right time."

In other words: look, at least you get a free box.

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  • DutchDemons #1 3 years ago

    ah...another addition to the 'Great Sony Theories' book

  • bad09 #2 3 years ago

    "Sony Computer Entertainment Europe boss Andrew House has said more people will "upgrade" to PS3 as time goes on and the cost of the console comes down."

    More people will buy PS3 when PS3 is cheaper? Wow, I would never have thought of that! No wonder this guy is in charge now! :)

  • andywilkie35 #3 3 years ago

    Its a bit unfair comparing the PS2 to the N64 isn't it? The PSOne was in the same generation as the N64, the Gamecube was the Nintendo console in the same generation of the PS2...?

    Talk about making it up as you go along.

  • Fidjit #4 3 years ago

    I love all this suit PR waffle, makes me chuckle every time.

  • Razz #5 3 years ago

    N64 Vs PS2? LOL! Andrew House you fucking idiot. :D

  • Dezm0nd #6 3 years ago

    Upgrade? I've got a PS3 and it feels nothing but a big waste of money. I've gone out of my way to buy Blu Rays to justify my PS3.

    Games are coming, but they'll soon be gone. This is not an upgrade.

  • Dizzy #7 3 years ago

    2010 year of PS3 confirmed!

    Just kidding!

  • Bealsy #8 3 years ago

    Sony telling everyone what to do as normal I see. Good to see this credit crunch hasn't affected their self appreciatitive status....

  • BartonFink #9 3 years ago

    With guys like this at the helm it will not be long before we have Sony domination in the gaming industry again.
    So now they have changed:
    from
    Next year will be the year of PS3
    to
    sometime in the future it will be the year of PS3
    Edited by BartonFink at 09/06/09 @ 09:15

  • M_of_the_sys #10 3 years ago

    @andywilkie35

    The N64 was a 64 bit platform and the PS1 was a 32 bit platform. Why would you compare them?

  • muscleblade #11 3 years ago

    I upgraded to an Xbox 360. One year later i bought my PS3 on release. It felt like a bit of a downgrade actually, so i traded it in for an upgraded 360 Elite. The best console this gen IMO. I might upgrade to a PS4 later on but i doubt it.

  • Vice.Destroyer #12 3 years ago

    Poor sales will huff and puff, and blow this House down.

  • Markusdragon #13 3 years ago

    I need to pick up a PS3 in a few years to mop up the exclusives that I've missed (heavy rain, littlebigplanet, infamous, etc), but I wouldn't call that an upgrade.

  • lavalant #14 3 years ago

    I'll get a PS3, but only when it drops in price, and I'm not talking a £50 price drop, try over £100. Even then It will only be used for PS3 exclusives. The 360 will be my main console for online gaming and multiplatform titles tend to run better as devs don't seem to want to put the extra time the PS3 seems to require to bring it up to standard. Fallout 3 ran pretty bad on the PS3 and that was a big multiformat game.

  • ToxicTed #15 3 years ago

    M_of_the_sys: 'The N64 was a 64 bit platform and the PS1 was a 32 bit platform. Why would you compare them? '

    The Xbox was also a 32 bit platform. So then we can't compare the Xbox to the PS2? Even though the 32 bit-platform was the more powerful?

  • Wastelander #16 3 years ago

    Standalone Blu-ray players and even PC writers are about £150 nowadays. I don't know how much longer Sony can pimp that as a massive selling point.

  • M_of_the_sys #17 3 years ago

    @ToxicTed

    Well even if you compare the N64 and the PS1, IMO the PS1 pisses all over the N64. As for the Xbox and PS2, I can't comment. I never had an Xbox.

  • Atropos #18 3 years ago

    I play more games on my X360 than on my PS3, but my PS3 is by far the device that sees the most use in my entertainment set-up. Coupled with a NAS-drive with a built-in media server it is the best home-cinema setup around. Lately, I've also noticed that the ratio of PS3 games vs. X360 games is shifting - PSN is getting some truly excellent games that rival Live, and what with inFamous, Killzone2 and Demon's Souls making me want to make sweet unnatural love to my PS3, my only X360 gaming nowadays is some light UFC:ing.
    Bring on God of War III, Uncharted 2 and The Last Guardian, and I doubt I'll even have time for any X360 games in the foreseeable future.

  • Valis #19 3 years ago

    @M_of_the_sys

    Mario 64? Ocarina of Time? Goldeneye?

  • MaxiSleep #20 3 years ago

    Oh no not more waiting for the real next gen

  • Latinleader #21 3 years ago

    "I think you have to position price points around business facing issues like profitability, but I put that in the context of a long life cycle,"

    So basically they're going to wait as loooong as possible before they eventually decide to cut the price of the PS3.
    Nice one Sony

    /Goes back to playing 360

  • M_of_the_sys #22 3 years ago

    @Valis

    I really enjoyed Mario 64 and Goldeneye. Never played Zelda: OoT though.
    So tell me, did you point those games out to try and change my opinion that I think PS1 was better than the N64?

  • Toothball #23 3 years ago

    I had an opportunity to get a PS3 a year or so back. Instead I got a second Xbox, as it seemed more worthwhile having a spare one of those than a PS3.

    I did also buy a PS2 after having an N64, but I also bought a Dreamcast, a PS1, two Gamecubes and and Xbox in between. Not sure I'd could that as a success story, but I'm sure Sony would. I guess the last console you buy counts as being an upgrade, no matter what it is.

    So this generation it's mostly the same story. I have a Wii and two Xboxes. Getting a bonus through work next, so I might buy a PS3. Sorry, I might "upgrade" next month. I expect it'll mostly sit around until The Last Guardian hits, but at least that way I can stop worrying about it.

  • TheTingler #24 3 years ago

    I admit I'll probably get a PS3... when it's less than £100. And then it'll pretty much be for Uncharted 1 & 2, and probably Killzone 2.

  • Sunyavadin #25 3 years ago

    Hahaha.....no.

  • Dave52 #26 3 years ago

    Toothball: "I had an opportunity to get a PS3 a year or so back. Instead I got a second Xbox, as it seemed more worthwhile having a spare one of those than a PS3."

    You need a spare, says it all really...

    Most of my friends have an Xbox because it's easy to crack and they don't want to pay for games. I'll stick to the PS3 thanks, this year's line up is looking sweet as....

  • Evolution #27 3 years ago

    It's too bad he isn't more like his tough talking, Phd namesake from the telly.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #28 3 years ago

    The playstation 1 had more good games than N64 had.

    But N64 had a handful of titles that were the greatest games of the time (and all time, back then). Apples and oranges.

    Those were different times, though, there certainly weren't the sort of cross-platform games on both formats you see these days. I'm striggling to think of any game that was vaguely the same on both N64 and PS1, with the exception of Fifa, maybe, and the years-later port of Resident Evil 2.

  • AphoticCosmos #29 3 years ago

    *Sigh in the general direction of the Sony executive boardroom*

    I won't "upgrade" to a PS3 later, I'll just pick up the X720 assuming it's worth buying.

  • schnide #30 3 years ago

    Piss poor.

    Lavalant said it right - I'll get a PS3 when (if?) they come right down in price so I can get the few classics like Killzone 2 which weren't in big enough numbers to justify buying one now. You've lost far too much ground on this one Sony.

  • ParanoidZombie #31 3 years ago

    I dunno, maybe Sony thinks Microsoft is gonna kill X360 in 2010 in order to launch the 500€ X720, and that the 400€ Wii HD is coming soon, so basically the PS3's price will be competitive in a couple years because the other manufacturers will have moved to next gen, and 3rd party developers will finally have understood how to fully use the power of the cell and stuff so the next batch of PS3's AAA titles won't look too ugly in EG's face-offs against X720's first games... Mmmh, they're aren't that stupid, are they?

  • miiiguel #32 3 years ago

    I'll definetly get a PS3, as late as possible is its lifecycle - all the systems and shit - but this gen is all about xbox, sorry Sony, remember the Blu-Ray hoax; the "machine that will turn PC redundant"; the "new tech that will be used in literally every thing" - it is supposed to be a games boxm you freaks!, next time arround, and please be sure not to be this late to the party, I wont start looking at your machine after having 90 games in my game library of another system.

  • MeBrains #33 3 years ago

    is nobody able to look outside and see there is another world beyond your windows?! there are millions of consumers, like me, who either are on PS2 or on Wii (or not gaming at all!). It is these persons House is talking about. Not you guys - not your friends - not the hardcore gamers - not the guys buying two 360's, because "it is more worthwhile" (I always chuckle when reading confessions like this).

    I do wonder though. Of all guys having 360'ies here. How much have you already end up paying to MS? Just HW and Live. Not games. Condiderably more or considerably less than €399, which a lot of you seem to find outrageous.
    Edited by MeBrains at 09/06/09 @ 10:51

  • miiiguel #34 3 years ago

    I can only speak for myself, money was never a issue. And yes I have 2 360s because I counldn't resist the Resi 5 special edition one.
    I have no philosophical problem in *giving* money to MS, as long as I get what I payed for in return. So far. So good.

  • Toothball #35 3 years ago

    @Dave52:

    My spare did come in useful when one of them did pack it in. But it's actually been of more use to my friends. I've loaned it to several of them, two of whom have then bought Xboxes. Had that other one been a PS3 it would have stayed on my shelf and the two new Xbox-owning friends would have stuck to PC gaming. I still want a PS3 but it's more to complete the collection than for the games, with a couple of exceptions.

  • Gradius #36 3 years ago

    "The playstation 1 had more good games than N64 had.

    But N64 had a handful of titles that were the greatest games of the time (and all time, back then). Apples and oranges. "

    Nah, the PS1 had both, more good games and more 'greatest games of the time. Resident Evil, FF7, MGS, etc. The N64 was pretty lame apart from the literally one or two stand out titles, imo. It was no match for the original PS. Shame Sony suck balls so hard now though...

  • mikeck #37 3 years ago

    I had an opportunity to get a PS3 a year or so back. Instead I got a second Xbox, as it seemed more worthwhile having a spare one of those than a PS3....smoke crack much?

    Why have both a 360 and a PS3, when I can have two 360's...? Really, I can't see the logic in that at all.

    If I had the time (and money) I'd have all three consoles from this gen, however as was I didn't even have time for having both a PS3 and 360 (as well as a gaming rig PC)...

    Edit, I've just seen that you've rationalised your logic in above comments - my bad ;)
    Edited by mikeck at 09/06/09 @ 11:07

  • miiiguel #38 3 years ago

    "Why have both a 360 and a PS3, when I can have two 360's...? Really, I can't see the logic in that at all."
    Why? Because I keep buying 360 games, and they're piling up waiting to be played, makes no sense (to me) to buy a PS3 now. I wont be playing games in any other system for a long time (maybe, maybe this whole gen).

    I want to have a PS3 for "collection sake", though.

  • Dave52 #39 3 years ago

    @Toothball: "Had that other one been a PS3 it would have stayed on my shelf "

    Well, that would've been a shame. The PS3 has some awesome exclusives that you've missed out on. I will admit that the Xbox has as well, but I can't afford both, so I've made a choice. It's all cool...

  • El-Dev #40 3 years ago

    As MS done so well advertising their console for £129.99(which gets you jack shit) and every EG article had this information at the bottom of it for the entire christmas period it really did stick in the publics mind. If Sony want to boost sales they need a price cut, it appears that no matter how many top class games they deliver this won't shift their consoles.

    For a post exam treat for myself I bought a 360 last week, generally to see what the fuss was about and for a bit of L4D online action with my friends in England. MS advertising their console for £129.99 really was a slick move as you don't get much out of a 360 for less than £300, well in my experience at least.

    On the games front Sony have at least drawn level as MS are now focusing on developing the 360 in to a media hub(sky, twatter and facebook) which Sony spent a lot of time doing at the beginning of the PS3s life span and are now really focusing on the gaming side which is showing some excellent results which looks to continue well in to next year.

    As for the "PS3 HAS NO GAMES SONY SUCK BALLS" party line comments, it appears some of you wouldn't know good games if they jumped up and bit you in the balls, which Sony apparently suck so hard.

  • M_of_the_sys #41 3 years ago

    Why? Because I keep buying 360 games, and they're piling up waiting to be played, makes no sense (to me) to buy a PS3 now. I wont be playing games in any other system for a long time (maybe, maybe this whole gen).

    I have a mutual feeling, just swap the consoles around.

  • Petulant_Radish #42 3 years ago

    You don’t get much out of a 360 for less than £300?? How so, did you go shopping in Harrods for it and ask for it to be delivered that afternoon by a golden saddled poodle?

  • jmg123 #43 3 years ago

    HAHAHAHAH no-one will

    /hides in the corner as this is exactly what I did as the missus pressured me into getting a wii 8 months before my ps3

  • BillyBrush #44 3 years ago

    I would imagine at a lower price people will think games + blu ray and go for them...but MS are in a better position this time out...last gen you kinda needed a PS as well as Xbox, and this gen the Xbox has so muxh stuff keeping up with it alone is enough for pretty much anyone..

  • patchbox360 #45 3 years ago

    i am

  • Geordiemp #46 3 years ago

    I have both, and consider Xbox and PS3 to cost the same, by time I got a 60 GB Xbox Pro, wireless and gold account, then not much different to Ps3.

    Both have good games.

  • midnight_walker #47 3 years ago

    @those moaning about bits

    Christ. The N64 wasn't a 64-bit system. Don't you think it's odd that the N64 was called 64 bit, produced games that looked like they did, and high-end PCs are only now able to use 64-bit processing?

    The N64 had a 64-bit GPU, and the generation after that had 128-bit ones, but it became more or less redundant by that point to refer to a console's power by it's 'bits', because it wasn't an accurate reflection of it's power, and they were all really 32-bit systems anyway. 8-bit consoles were called 8-bit because they used 8-bit processing, 16-bit consoles used 16-bit processing, 32-bit consoles used 32-bit processing, and then it stopped - today's consoles are still 32-bit, they just have ridiculously powerful GPUs.

  • Toothball #48 3 years ago

    @Dave52:

    That's the thing though. I'm sure there are plenty of good PS3 games out there, but none so far that have interested me enough to buy one. Closest one so far was Noby Noby Boy. Like miiguel, my main reason for wanting one so far has just been purely to have one. I fully expect there to be many games I want eventually, as I had very much the same views of the PS2 when it launched. But I now consider the PS2 indispensable and expect the PS3 to turn out that way some day. Besides, I'd already been planning to buy one entirely for Last Guardian. Any other games that I can play as a result are just bonuses as far as I'm concerned.

    In the mean time, the only time I actually needed a spare Xbox was after I had been using it daily for a year, normally for a few hours a day, but sometimes whole weeks at a time. After that much use I wasn't at all surprised to find that the graphics circuitry had melted.

  • Quak #49 3 years ago

    Hey Sony, if Europe is being so good to you why not stop treating the territory like a diseased poor relation?

    Biting the hand that feeds you (repeatedly) is pretty stupid TBH.

  • IneptPercy #50 3 years ago

    Too late Sony, I have upgraded to a PC which does everything the PS3 does but better.

  • Dave52 #51 3 years ago

    @Toothball: "In the mean time, the only time I actually needed a spare Xbox was after I had been using it daily for a year, normally for a few hours a day, but sometimes whole weeks at a time. After that much use I wasn't at all surprised to find that the graphics circuitry had melted."

    Between me and my two kids (14 and 15) I'd say the PS3 gets at least 2 hours a day, usually more. Had it for well over a year and a half with no problems whatsoever.

    Last Guardian is looking very interesting...

  • Quak #52 3 years ago

    M_of_the_sys, it seems that you have confused "most powerful console" for "console with the most games that you prefer". No-one really cares which console you "preferred" because that's subjective. The point in calling a piece of technology hardware an "upgrade" is that it is technically more advanced than the previous version.

    House is talking out of his arse when claiming that PS2 was an upgrade to the N64. The PS2 came out the generation after - along with the Gamecube, Dreamcast and eventually Xbox. The N64 belonged to the previous generation along with the first PlayStation and the Sega Saturn.

  • Fightclubber #53 3 years ago

    The system has some incredible exclusives coming out, uncharted 2, God of some old shit 3, heavy rain, and infamous looks like sex.
    Possibly the biggest thing holding me back is the pad, its truly awful it feels like a fisher price toy and those thumb sticks are as loose as a Thai brides twat.
    Better pad better price and im sold, oh and get a new desktop i dont want a psp on my 32" tv

  • Petulant_Radish #54 3 years ago

    “infamous looks like sex” “as loose as a thai brides twat”

    I’m hazarding a guess that you don’t get out much.

  • sneetch #55 3 years ago

    In other words: look, at least you get a free box.

    I lolled. I'll buy one for the PS3 exclusives when they drop the price, I personally won't think of it as me "upgrading" to PS3 from my PC, 360 or even my Wii, I'm just filling out the stable so to speak, but that's how they'll no doubt try to spin it. Sony's aspirational products bullcrap at its finest.

    The blu-ray player will be nice-to-have but not that much of a draw for me.

    @Quak
    Hey Sony, if Europe is being so good to you why not stop treating the territory like a diseased poor relation?

    Biting the hand that feeds you (repeatedly) is pretty stupid TBH.

    Particularly if that hand belong to a diseased poor relation. ;)
    Edited by sneetch at 09/06/09 @ 13:20

  • M_of_the_sys #56 3 years ago

    Quak,

    If you read back, I was replying to someone saying that they should compare the N64 to the PS1, to which I was saying, despite being inferior technologically, that the PS1 was still better. I'm not stating that as fact as it's all subject to opinion. I don't think anyone could.

    In any case, surely any console that comes out in the 'next gen' is an upgrade to the previous gen? Sony brought their machine out first so of couse it's likely people upgraded to that. Later on, the Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox came out which people also upgraded too.

    It appears I was saying something good about a piece of kit brought out by Sony. Obviously the wrong place to do that.

    PS. I agree that House is talking out of his arse. They all do.

  • AusFreelancer #57 3 years ago

    I think what House is trying to say is that, most 'casual' wii owners will 'upgrade' to ps3 when it becomes more affordable (they must have data/surveys from previous gen to support this). He just used a clumsy analogy to avoid a backlash, in which he failed miserably. He never said anything about the 360, as both systems are still occupying the hardcore space. IMHO some of the titles that are out/on the way for the ps3 would appeal to the casual audience.

  • Spekingur #58 3 years ago

    If you really count yourself as a hardcore gamer you would "upgrade" to a PC Gaming Rig, if you don't own it already. Are there really any professional gaming tournaments on consoles?

  • AusFreelancer #59 3 years ago

    PC gaming is dead ;)

  • Darren #60 3 years ago

    @IneptPercy - "Too late Sony, I have upgraded to a PC which does everything the PS3 does but better."

    Only it won't play inFamous, MLB 09: The Show, MotoStorm: Pacific Rift, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, Ratchet & Clank ToD, Ratchet & Clank Crack in Time, Metal Gear Solid 4, WipEout HD, Super Stardust HD, God of War III, Gran Turismo 5 or Demon Soul, among others, will it? ;)

    I own a PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. I'm glad I own all three personally. I even own a Wii although I'm not so sure about that one...

  • Toothball #61 3 years ago

    @Dave52:

    I guess between you you didn't pull all that many 14 hour days on your PS3, which is entirely reasonable. I've had many long weekends on mine. To be honest I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. I've not heard of any PS3 failure stories so far though, but I'd be curious to see whether it would have held up to what I put my Xbox through.

  • belziah #62 3 years ago

    Yes, I agree Farty is a useless cunt.

  • belziah #63 3 years ago

    Yes, I agree Farty is a useless cunt.

  • belziah #64 3 years ago

    He rapes puppies as well...............

  • belziah #65 3 years ago

    And advises Nick Griffin on religion.

  • belziah #66 3 years ago

    He also told Katie Price she could sing and that's just sick.......

  • TriGgeR7 #67 3 years ago

    "I'd never downgrade from 360 to PS3. Why on earth would I want to abandon the incredible 360 games catalog in favor of the barren wasteland that is the PS3?

    If you are a videophile and want a bluray player with a handful of worthwhile games then sure the PS3 makes sense, but as a dedicated gaming platform the PS3 fails to deliver time and time again. It underperforms constantly, has an uncomfortable and outdated controller, inferior network service, games with little or no interaction most of the time and are backed by a corporation which exudes arrogance and disregard for their consumer base.

    No, I definitely won't be 'upgrading' to a PS3, or buying one at all as the 360 and Wii provide all the gaming I could possibly fit into the time have available to play, and the PS3 just isnt appealing enough to take time away from those consoles. "

    I laughed a lot, thanks for the amusement :) I remember reading some of your ps3-hater/360-fanboy comments in the past, and this one is as entertaining as usual :)

    I actually own a PC and a PS3, and I can play every game I want - even so-called 360 exclusives like Mass Effect or The Last Remnant.
    Almost all my friends have a Wii : it's fun a few hours per month, but as far as i'm concerned, that's it.
    And for the 360, the only game I miss is Star Ocean 4. Yup, one single game. I may buy one later this year though, as the arcade version is quite cheap.

  • Ranger101 #68 3 years ago

    "total value proposition"

    yuck.

  • Ranger101 #69 3 years ago

    Heh I sat here and killed time reading the comments. They're not even amusingly stupid. Just stupid. GameFAQs stupid.

  • patchbox360 #70 3 years ago

    over 5 years - play.com prices

    PS3/80gb harddrive/infamous/bluerayplayer/freeonline - £279

    XBOX360/60gb harddrive- £160/xboxlive- £35year - £335







  • Dizzy #71 3 years ago

    >over 5 years - play.com prices

    You forgot to include the price of the electricity both consoles use and maybe the extra you have to pay for your Bluray films instead of normal DVDs. :) or what about a headset or an extra controller?

    10 films a year... 5 quid more = 50 quid extra for Blurays ;)

    See? Everybody can play this game.. it all depends what you value out of your console. You do not NEED Live and a lot of people even just use an Arcade.
    Edited by Dizzy at 09/06/09 @ 14:57

  • El-Dev #72 3 years ago

    @petulant_radish, no Game and HMV. I bought a few games and a Live subscription so that brought the price up over £300.

  • El-Dev #73 3 years ago

    Or Star Ocean!!!

  • belziah #74 3 years ago

    Evenin cuntface

  • belziah #75 3 years ago

    Evenin cuntface

  • j4ck.dA.riPpeR #76 3 years ago

    I have XBOX 360 & PS3 and to be honest i always play XBOX 360 more than my PS3... I just think PS3 is just a poor online gaming machine and nowhere near as good as the 360 + graphics wise 360 wins every time IMO...

    playstation home is a good laugh lmao
    Edited by j4ck.dA.riPpeR at 09/06/09 @ 15:55

  • patchbox360 #77 3 years ago

    @dizzy aka jackass (electricity??, dvds???)


    if a blueray player for £140 would be value for money and a ps3 (standalone) for £140 would be value for money then how could a ps3 for £280 with a free game and free online not be value for money.
    i tell you whats not value for money - thee most unreliable, badly made console machine in history

  • MeBrains #78 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus: funny usage of words, this "downgrade" but well I suppose it is the way you look at it. I am not at all saying you should dump 360 and buy into PS3. I do want to comment on the "barren wasteland". Games wise, the future (as well as the past) looks very good indeed for PS3. I suppose you hardly read any news about it and stick to your format. I do want to comment on "underperforms" and I do suppose you mean graphics-wise. KZ2 seems to be faring best at the moment. Uncharted 2 another contender. The FMV-heavy MGS scores high as well. What do you mean with "games with little or no interaction most of the time"? Which games besides MGS are you thinking about? Which arrogance and disregard do you mean? Like in putting faulty hardware on the market and getting away with it?!

    Hmm... in my other posts in the Halo:oDST thread, I mentioned that I got "opposed" to the 360 community when it was undeservedly negative towards sony because of what it was doing with PS3. Your post is a prime example.


    belziah: shuv' it or be gone. at least farticus, although one-sided, sounds like he does have a brain.

    Cheerio! Enjoy your games!

    edit: tag correction.
    Edited by MeBrains at 09/06/09 @ 16:18

  • Spekingur #79 3 years ago

    PC Gaming is dead? Someone should inform Valve :p

  • Dave52 #80 3 years ago

    Toothball: "you didn't pull all that many 14 hour days on your PS3, which is entirely reasonable. I've had many long weekends on mine"

    Actually, getting my Son off the PS3 at the weekend is a challenge in itself - lol. So yes, it's done many long stints and, as I say - I've not had problems. It also has a 300g hard drive in it...

  • Velios #81 3 years ago

    Upgrade?

  • Alkeno #82 3 years ago

    Sadly for Sony, people most with a Gamecube already upgraded to the Wii (waggle controls!).
    Sadly for Sony, again, most with an XBox already upgraded to the 360.
    Sadly for Sony, once more, many people with a PS2 upgraded to the 360 (hardcore) or side-graded to the Wii (casual).

    When will they realise that the market has been eaten by a huge amount already, they are late. There is 0% chance of PS3 reaching Wii's sales. I believe PS3 will reach 360 in some time, but hell, it's a huge success from Microsoft having reached so much success (nobody would believe that 4 years ago, not even people at Microsoft!).

    The next generation (starting within 2-3 years at most) is going to be a fight to remember. Microsoft has overcome the burden of being the underdog newcomer and has a huge hardcore market (and Natal!). Sony will be the wounded animal, with huge potential, experience and quality first party developers. Nintendo has to fight to maintain its position on the casual market threatened by MS and Sony, as well as making some room for third party sales.

    Please don't kill me for excessive simplification (hardcore, casual, 'side-graded').

  • El-Dev #83 3 years ago

    Alkeno,

    140m+ PS2s

    50m Wiis
    30m 360s
    22m PS3s

    40m who haven't made the move yet plus new people to the market.

    Excessive over simplification, no.

    Stupidity, yes.

  • o_ci2007 #84 3 years ago

    one thing I always find interesting when all the fanboys come out to play/defend their console/insult the opposition there is never a wii fanboy insight. Considering the wii sells like a 10000000000000 a years you would expect these forums to be infested with wii fanboy. If there is a wii fanboy please raise your hand or just write here, show a bit of passion about your console, tell us about your sub HD graphics, poor gameplay and the umpteenth Mario game and the upcoming wiishoot, wiifighting, wiiwrestling, wiiboxing and wiisoccer featuring Mario and Luigi.

  • bionutz #85 3 years ago

    Wii are above this kind of debate.

  • MeBrains #86 3 years ago

    o_ci2007: simple reason is that Wii sells a lot to a completely and utterly new market. The 40+ million is not people who moved from PS2 / to Wii - that is NOT the biggest part. The Wii demographic is made of hardcore either PS3Wii or Wii60, movers Gamecube -> Wii, newcomers. The latter being in a huge part girls / women. In fact it's absolute marketing marvels Nintendo achieved both with DS and Wii...

  • GamesConnoisseur #87 3 years ago

    I got PS3 and X360, i never see PS3 as an 'upgrade' as X360 tooks most of my playing time to date but yes PS3 does MERITS serious consideration on its own for its exclusives and ability as media hub.

    People prefers one console over other, that their business but to say to the mass market, PS3 is what you will upgrade to from those other consoles is just another example of annoying Sony-Speak.

    PS3 may still have some room/headway in being maxed out but it will never out performs X360 in a way that some people imagines! Hardware circuits wont change and the fact that there is limitation in its graphic set up but sure creative use of the BD and processing power may be something that can be exploited more.

  • man.the.king #88 3 years ago

    For me, the PS3 is an upgrade compared to the other current-gen consoles out there.

    Having said that, I do wish these PR asses would cut the crap and just let current and future actions speak for themselves.

  • IneptPercy #89 3 years ago

    "For me, the PS3 is an upgrade compared to the other current-gen consoles out there. "

    As a genuine question why do you think so?

  • i5killz #90 3 years ago

    lol@Sony...

    In response to this whole article....


    Errr, no.

  • SEVQA #91 3 years ago

    "I admit I'll probably get a PS3... when it's less than £100"

    Well you will be waiting more than ten years, inflation alone would never make that possible you cheapskate pikey! The people who expect a piece of kit like the PS3 to drop in price to such an extreme are blatantly just 360 fan boys talking crap!

    And the fact that people who own 360's seem to be in favor of owning 2 or 3 of them is just insane.

    Just think when Ghostbusters (if) comes out on the 360 you'll be able to throw that power supply across floor like a ghost trap!

  • sjmlondon #92 3 years ago

    I'm perfectly happy with my Xbox 360s for playing games.

    Re having movies on blu ray, about the only reason I can see for buying a PS3, if like me you've invested in SKY HD system you've got a wealth of HD movies everyday as part of your subscription. I partly justify paying for SKY HD by not having to fork out on average £20 on new blu ray discs or many new DVDs for that sake. Most of the stuff Hollywood turns out these days doesn't warrant viewing more than once in the cinema or TV. How many times do you really want to keep buying the Alien series, James Bond or Hollywood's back catalogue on the latest format when you've already got them on DVD? A decent upscaling DVD player gives an excellent picture with existing DVDs.

    By the times Sony ever get round to reducing the price of the PS3 in Europe, Microsoft will have probably launched a new Xbox, and as long as they don't do a 'Sony' and make a hash of launching it, that is where my money will be going.

  • EmiliasHorse #93 3 years ago

    @Trebell

    So if I go out and buy a PC it will be faster and more powerful than my PS3/360? Brilliant...and it will have Blu-Ray?...Excellent.

    Hang on I'm using the works PC right now. This is a PC so therefore is faster than the PS3....

    Or maybe your comment was not true.

  • M_of_the_sys #94 3 years ago

    Not to mention hardware vs software issues. Drivers. Waiting for patches to come out. Not worth the bother for me.

  • davisorle #95 3 years ago

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  • man.the.king #96 3 years ago

    @IneptPercy

    "As a genuine question why do you think so?"

    Sorry IP, I forgot I had posted something here. Well, for what it's worth, here's my opinion/reasons:
    As compared to the 360:
    1) Better reliability (although, to be fair, my 360 is a launch 20 GB and hasn't failed me yet - but I take really good care of it, I don't tiptoe around my PS3 that much). I certainly don't want to buy a backup console just to ensure my gaming experience is not interrupted.
    2) Exclusives that I really want, and multiplatforms are already available - for the 360 exclusives I really want, I have my 360
    3) Wifi and Bluetooth out-of-the-box (I really need Wi-Fi as I cannot afford to run a long ethernet cable across my house, and for this reason I resented having to buy the $100 Wi-Fi dongle for my 360)
    4) I don't have to pay to play online, or to get some of the latest demos.
    5) Top-class media player, including one of the best BR players available on the market - other alternatives like dish or cable is not true HD audio and video - they would not be able to support the bandwidth needed for that.
    6) Very open - my 60 GB launch model has 4 USB ports, a CF slot, a Memory Stick slot, SD (supports SDHC as well) slot, totally upgradeable standard hard disk, one I've upgraded to a 500 GB Seagate 7200.4 Momentus


    Off the top of my head, these are the reasons I came up with at short notice, although I think there may be more (from my perspective, at least)

    As compared to Wii, well, need you really ask?

    I'm sure you have your reasons for preferring the 360, but since you asked, this is where I was coming from. And thanks a lot for not flaming me for my opinions and taste (as flaming for one's opinions is something that seems to happen a lot on this site, esp if it is not in favor of MS or the 360).
    Edited by man.the.king at 12/06/09 @ 05:22