GameCube made Miyamoto "very sad" Comments by Oli Welsh

@barat

I noticed the same thing with the Wii but I would even go as far back as the N64 where the same thing happend.
I love the Wii but the last game I bought for it was Okami.

"The GameCube had some awesome games. I'm not sure, but in terms of just top notch software, Nintendo might have had more than XBox and maybe PS2. Of course you can't live on just a couple of good games per year...

I loved the Cube era, I've had more fun with it than with the Wii so far. "

I agree with that. In terms of content, it was far better than the Wii has been so far. (Even the N64 had better content, I reckon). If Miyamoto now believes sales are the only indicator of a console's quality, then he's really lost his mojo. It seems that someone at Nintendo has got a good idea of the quality of the GC library though - why update GC titles with Wii controls otherwise (apart from making more pots of cash, of course).

Shame they can't re-hash old PS2 titles for the Wii. SotC etc would really improve the Wii library.

If I remember the press pretty much killed off the GC, endless stories of warehouses full of consoles.. If I remember the gaming press were on a roll with seeing off the Dreamcast. I guess nintendo had the last laugh, sell the GC with a wanky new controller and aim for the casual tosspots, forget the 'hardcore' twats to argue about pointless rubbish.

The worrying comment in this article is how myamoto talks about how he used to obsess with lush 3d environments and thats where he thinks he went wrong...DING DING DING...WRONG ANSWER BUDDY thats where he got everything right, thats where his gems where coming from, mario 64 lush enviroment, sunshine, windwaker, orcarina, prime, twilight etc, If he now says that was the wrong thing, then the slight good we all thought nintendo had left has just walked right out. What with the price increase and complete lack of must have games lined up for 09. Wheres starfox? Kid icarus? Pilotwings? These games would still sell shitloads but maybe have alot more creativity to back it up aswel. Fuck nintendo, Fuck them up there stupid assess!


My wii has about 3 layers of different dust dating back to when i last turned it on around 7 months ago, what the hell. For those of you who say sell, i can't. I live in hope that something will come along and make me realise why i still have kept the bloody thing.

You had the underwhelming launch with no killer Mario game as expected, just Luigi's Mansion og Wave Race: Blue Storm from Nintendo. When the Mario game finally arrived it was considered a big disappointment among hardcore fans. Rare being sold off to Microsoft caused hysteria. Then you had all the European delays. The console itself being released six months after America, Metroid Prime being delayed from November to March making Star Fox Adventures the big holiday 2002 title in Europe and the two year Animal Crossing delay. All the GC/GBA connectivity gimmicks. The annualy fairly awful Mario Party games and so on...

The only reason I still have my Wii is cos it still plays my library of GC games. That and homebrew.

The only reason I still have my Wii is cos it still plays my library of GC games. That and homebrew.

Anyone ever picture the Wii haters on here at Christmas, grumbling sitting in a corner sulking as the rest of the family plays Wii Sports "I'm not playin that casual crap! Look at the graphics!" making the kids in the family cry by shouting at them, "Stop enjoying it, its not a proper game, its just a gimmick!!" or "O my God stop playing that 'over clocked' Game Cube!!"

Seriously, get over yourselves. If you don't like it fine, the rest of the world does so stfu. (Last time I turned mine on was for HOTD overkill on Saturday).

GC > Wii tbh

Nobody can dispute the fact that miyamoto is a genius. Its hard to think of any person in the current games market that is comparable to him. We need people like him to go against the trend towards homoerotic american action games. Hopefully with the Wii making billions nintendo will take more risks and produce some more timeless classics

GameCube >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wii

Don't know what Miyamoto is wittering on about.

@barat
You had the underwhelming launch with no killer Mario game as expected, just Luigi's Mansion og Wave Race: Blue Storm from Nintendo. When the Mario game finally arrived it was considered a big disappointment among hardcore fans. Rare being sold off to Microsoft caused hysteria. Then you had all the European delays. The console itself being released six months after America, Metroid Prime being delayed from November to March making Star Fox Adventures the big holiday 2002 title in Europe and the two year Animal Crossing delay. All the GC/GBA connectivity gimmicks. The annualy fairly awful Mario Party games and so on...

Ah, I had a US GC bought on Ebay about a week after the launch. Best gaming related idea I ever had. Playing games about a week after the US release beat the crap out of waiting 6 months to a year for games. :)

Then, like a colossal dumbass, I bought a European Wii because I was stupid enough to believe that Nintendo Europe must have reduced those delays in the intervening 6 or so years. I mean surely they must have, right?

"Paper Mario Wii" proved that assumption wrong. :/

My Wii IS my Gamecube as far as I am concerned Miyamoto, how does that make you feel?

@Kami

"It worked though, we got some stonking games in those eras. Zelda, Mario, Metroid Prime was as far from playing with the rest as I am from Angelina Jolie's underwear drawer, and Eternal Darkness is still in my rack of games and I still get it out from time to time, it's bloody awesome because it was different."

Can you please elaborate on the bit about you and Angelina Jolie's underwear drawer?

:)

Miyamoto is a legend!!! We wouldn't have Nintendo anymore if it wasn't for him and as for it's games - Zelda WW. I remember when first seeing screenshots I couldn't stand it but after seeing a video it had me so excited about the games cel-shaded graphics I watched it everyday! Pikmin is quality! Metroid transforms into a first person shooter and is class! OK we have Brawl which is better now but SSBM was so much better than the original. Paper Mario on the GC was far better than the N64's too. Despite it's poor sales compared to the PS2 and XBOX at the same time the GC had some of the best titles of that generation to play in my opinion.

It will be interesting to see which direction Nintendo heads in when the next generation of consoles comes around. Miyamoto has often said the route Microsoft and Sony usualy take of more powerful hardware with better graphics and sound etc, is something he doesnt think necessary. In creating the Wii he wanted to get "non-gamers" interested in and playing games. Argueably the Wii has done this with great success. However, when the Wii's successor finally emerges, will the mass casual market it appeals to, be willing to upgrade to a newer machine, like the so called "hardcore" gamers are more willing to do, when they still have their old Wii to play on occasionally?

I prerfer my Wii to my Gamecube but the Gamecube has one of the greatest games ever made. Metroid Prime.

@Kami

Can you please elaborate on the bit about you and Angelina Jolie's underwear drawer?

No.

Mmm... Bold... XD

I blame the world.

I spend most of my gaming time on my 360 and still pick up titles for the wii I figure if there are 4 titles I want in a year then I will be happy. I did not have a cube so purchased freeloader and a bunch of cube games. I had to do a system update to play one of the games and couldn't use the freeloader. Happy days though as I was given a cube so I can now complete Chibi Robo and others that I picked up.

I would like to officially say that... I liked Super Mario Sunshine. I think they went a bit overboard with the water spewing gimmick (in that you spent too much time spraying water about the place, IMO) and as far as I'm concerned Galaxy got back to the juicy Mario gaming core but it was a great game. Some of the stages where your water-pack was stolen at the start were an absolute nightmare (I passionately swore vengeance on all things Nintendo on more than one occasion) but it was a really good game.

Not enough goombas though. ;)

As for the Wii iterations of the franchises, I see people calling them terrible or weak and I don't see them that way, I think they're fine, they're not terrible, they're just not really an improvement over the Cube versions.

Bikes in Mario Kart are a bad idea though, that constant wheelie speed boost is just broken.

"Mmm... Bold... XD"

;)

@bad09

I bought Rogue Squadron a while ago, although I've never owned a Cube or Wii.

o_0

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The problem withe the Gamecube wasn't it's first party games - as they were largely excellent. the hardware was also more than powerful enough.

The issue was with Marketing and image. With Nintendo ignoring online play, and witrh the 'purple kid's toy' image of the Cube - Nintendo diverted much of their SNES / N64 audience to the PS2.

I'd have loved to play RE4, Smash Bros, Rogue Leader etc at launch, but I didn't want a Gamecube after buying a PS2 in 2001 for GTA III... followed by ICO, GT3, MGS2...

I didn't want a Gamecube under my TV. I didn't want to use the purple controllers. I didn't fancy sifting through cartoon games on the shelves looking for what I wanted.

I played the 3D Sonic games hoping they'd sway me... and they didn't. I didn't like them or the controller, plus I already had a PS2 - loved the controller up until I played Burnout 3 for 40 hours wth it, and adored the DVD playback functionality.

I already had the console I needed by 2004, and I had no reason to change things.

I've held off buying a Wii, as I'm uttely disappointed with Nintendo's actions and arrogance towards the gamers that keep them in business. I don't really want to pay them a penny - but I still applaud them for opening gaming up to a wider audience through innovation and clever marketing.

The following games should have kept the hardcore on their side:

Wiimotion plus - the controller should have had this level of accuracy since launch, plus a method of moving the CAMERA. It's as broken as the PSP in this respect.

Virtua Tennis 3 (back in 07 - this should have had a Wii version developed)
GTA - there should have been a game which uses GTA style gameplay - even if the content was completely different
F-Zero - where is it?
Pilotwings ???
a StarWars game involving flying and/or Motionplus first person lightsaber action.
Killer Instinct
Wiave Race
More Capcom games (Marvel vs Capcom, Viewtiful Joe?)
More mature games (not just blood, guns and swearing, just not cartoony waggle games)

+ others - just look through the SNES/N64 library for inspiration.

Also Nintendo should be looking through the PS2, Xbox and 360 library, the courting developers to make Wii motionplus updates of the best games on these formats.

Getting Team Ninja to make a Metroid game looks like a stroke of genius. More.