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Forza Motorsport 3 details and DLC plans? News
Xbox 360 News by Tom Bramwell
Forza Motorsport 3 could include over 400 cars and 100 tracks, brand new race modes and take up so much space it requires two DVDs.
That's according to information leaked as part of the gigantic Intellisponse breach this weekend, rounded up by X3F. Intellisponse is a market research firm, and it looks like naughtier sections of the Internet have been rifling through its bins.
Forza 3, which Microsoft has not officially announced, is detailed in a slideshow that also mentions extensive plans for downloadable content and a VIP service for letting people subscribe to access everything for a one-off fee. Presumably the idea was to get a section of the public's feedback on specific pricing scenarios. Well, that's certainly going to happen now.
Those new race modes we mentioned include "drag, drift, oval, point to point racing, etc", and there's talk of "near limitless customisation options for car tuning and custom artwork" and a "powerful assist system" to help idiots learn to drive. Forza 2 had those things, obviously, so we'll assume they are now bigger and better, if not more badass.
"Assume that new cars and tracks would be released on Xbox Live shortly after the launch of Forza 3 and continuing on each month," the slides continue, preparing to test the group's reactions. "For example, every month you might see a new pack of 10 cars for [GBP 3.40 / USD 4.99 - there are US and UK slides] and every three months, a real-world race track for [GBP 3.40 / USD 4.99]." There could also be larger expansions - perhaps 30 cars and a new track for GBP 13.60 / USD 19.99 - a few months after release.
More interesting is talk of a VIP membership option for GBP 13.60 / USD 19.99, which would sign you up to download everything that's released for the game on Xbox Live, entrance into exclusive online events, and other perks like "VIP status on Forza Auction House and Community boards, extra server space for photos and videos, and a free month of Live".
There could also be a Collector's Edition of the game featuring unique content. "This could be anything from authentic racing gear (gloves, helmets, etc) to specially created automobile manufacture gear (branded jackets, etc) to VIP motorsport event tickets"
Finally, there's talk of a special 2010 edition of Forza Motorsport 3 to launch a year after release rounding up all the previous 12 months' DLC and adding 30 new cars, a new real-world racing track and 2010 liveries for each existing vehicle, along with the top 20 user-generated car skins and tuning set-ups. This would then slot in at a mid-range price.
At this point, Microsoft has yet to officially comment on anything Forza 3-related. It's also worth reiterating that the information smuggled out of Intellisponse is not secret squirrel blueprints for Forza 3, but rather possible scenarios to test responses.
Speaking of which, it will be interesting to see how those involved in this impressive Internet meltdown go about cleaning it up.
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Der_tolle_Emil
16/06/08 @ 09:05
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I want this, but I'm afraid I will spend more time designing cars than racing like I did in Forza 2. Although the point to point races may change that - I really like those.
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asphaltcowboy
16/06/08 @ 09:11
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Sounds great! I do love the painting :) In fact, I've been playing it again recently simply because I did too much painting last time! What they REALLY need to make the decal editor absolutely fantastic is to include a proper vector graphics tool for creating custom vector shapes rather than having to use pre-existing shapes for designs (or just let us draw vector graphics on PC and import them - not bitmaps of course! :P)
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Kill_Crazy
16/06/08 @ 09:24
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Hmm, 400 cars sounds good but how many of these do you have to buy as DLC? Also, planning on releasing the dlc shortly after release is a bit off, fair enough 3 or 6 months down the line but it feels like money grabbing all the time.
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 09:26
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Awesome news!
Forza 2 still takes up a vast amount of my time. I've never played such a realistic racing game (and no, I won't play PC games apart from WoW). Things I would like changed: Improved replay cameras. Replays for splitscreen races. Less Corvette races (every non-R class vette stinks) At least I have a good few months to finish off the Forza 2 endurance races before this is released.. |
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@bad09
well i rather not have to get up halfway through a race to change the discs arpund so the install and slow speed suits me fine . must be microsofts idea of wii fit . oh and before a smart arse says , i know disc changes wont happen during a race it was a joke.
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asphaltcowboy
16/06/08 @ 09:42
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i rather not have to get up halfway through a race to change the discs arpund
lmao! silly. billy. |
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seasidebaz
16/06/08 @ 09:43
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Hmmm... DVD's not quite big enough any more then, eh?
Of course, this is all rumour and speculation at the moment, my guess is that if forza3 ever DOES come out, it will fit on 1 disc, then everything else will be dlc. Problem I see though, I though Turn10 were working on PGR5 according to another (older) rumour? So I don't see them making Forza3 at the same time... |
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The Bodybuilder
16/06/08 @ 09:43
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So the game hasn't finished development, yet there are plans for specific DLC, and after that, a special compilation title?
No one can argue that developers aren't holding back contents for games now. I'm beginning to hate games. |
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the old Blu-Ray DVD9 debate..., from a buisness point of view, I think it made sense for MS to put a DVD9. For games (360 is a games box) it is better (comparing with the PS3 HD install needs), and I never met no one that didn't buy a 360 because he thought PS3 games were better, due to Blu-Ray (or anything really, but that's another issue).
And, 360 has +300 tiltes, two of them are multi-disc (and they're both awesome and exclusives!).
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asphaltcowboy
16/06/08 @ 09:58
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"Problem I see though, I though Turn10 were working on PGR5 according to another (older) rumour? So I don't see them making Forza3 at the same time..."
Incorrect. Shane Kim said something along the lines of 'Turn10 could, possibly, do PGR5, maybe' "what's " naughty cars" ?" If you've been on the AH in Forza 2, it's almost a certainty that you've seen a naughty car (i.e. a car with questionable content painted on it) |
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seasidebaz
16/06/08 @ 10:02
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@asphalt:
You appear to have missed the word "rumour" I put in there... Anyway, Forza3 would need to do many MANY things to beat GT5, especially seeing as both will release around the same time. |
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rhubarbandcustard
16/06/08 @ 10:02
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My games library grows smaller every year. Not because I am moving away from gaming as a hobby but because great games have so much content these days. Between this and Gran Turismo 5, you would not need to buy another car game this entire generation. Especially with dlc.
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 10:11
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"Forza3 would need to do many MANY things to beat GT5"
What?? I think what you meant to say was 'GT5 needs to do a whole bucketload of catching up to meet Forza 2's standard'. Yes, Forza 2, not 3. I doubt GT5 will be competing against Forza 3, the GT team simply don't seem to be able to develop fast enough, they are competing against at least 1 year old products. |
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asphaltcowboy
16/06/08 @ 10:11
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"You appear to have missed the word "rumour" I put in there..."
Yes, but the rumour was that they could work on PGR5 maybe in the future, the rumour was not that they are working on PGR5. EDIT: oh and LMFAO @ "Anyway, Forza3 would need to do many MANY things to beat GT5, especially seeing as both will release around the same time"! Are you on crack? farticus has pretty much covered the response needed for that comment!
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seasidebaz
16/06/08 @ 10:24
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Ummm... Yeah, trouble is I know you guys are 360 fanboys, and I am console neutral as I basically play whatever's good, Forza3 may not even be made. This is purely a market research exercise.
GT5 is getting a damage model. And varying weather conditions. It models a car far more accurately than Forza when actually driving it (and I know as I have been racing on a real track in a real car). Forza2 was a good game, but in no way the best driving game so far. Cars could be tuned to ridiculous levels that are impossible in real life. At least GT retains realism. Forza3 needs to be a complete overhaul, rather than the very tiny step-up from Forza1. And yes, I have owned both games, played them more or less one after the other, and can say they are the same game. IF (and it's a big if) this game IS being made, and is half-decent, I will buy it. BUT GT5, with all the improvements that are going into it, will probably be better. |
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 10:39
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@seasidebaz
Hilarious post mate, made me smile. "GT5 models a car far more accurately than Forza when actually driving it" How much more wrong could this statement be? GT5p is a million miles away from realism. "(and I know as I have been racing on a real track in a real car)." I have also done a fair amount of track driving in my track-prepared GT-Four, F355's a few times and a couple miscellaneous cars like the 308 GTB. "Forza2 was a good game, but in no way the best driving game so far. Cars could be tuned to ridiculous levels that are impossible in real life. At least GT retains realism." BWA-HA-HA-HA-HAAA! I'm beginning to think you havent actually played either GT or forza. "BUT GT5, with all the improvements that are going into it, will probably be better." The GT franchise is old and stale and desparately in need of an overhaul. Forza 2 set the standard, GT5p failed to meet that standard by a very long way. |
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"Ummm... Yeah, trouble is I know you guys are 360 fanboys, and I am console neutral as I basically play whatever's good, Forza3 may not even be made. This is purely a market research exercise."
"It models a car far more accurately than Forza when actually driving it (and I know as I have been racing on a real track in a real car). " Lol! "At least GT retains realism. " Hate to brake it to you mate but like Forza, gt has as much realism as a 2d mario sprite. You lot call them 'simulators' but truth is that they are far from that (yes I too played both). |
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seasidebaz
16/06/08 @ 11:02
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I'm sorry but I've had enough of this fanboy nonsense from you. I get the feeling YOU haven't played either. Or been racing in real life. Or found GT5 too hard (and to be fair, it's a lot harder than Forza2...)
Forza2 consisted of me putting a rear-wheel drivetrain into a ford focus, adding all the racing upgrades, tweaking very slightly, and managing to get the thing to do 0-60 in about half a second, top speed of about 200mph and beating purebred sports cars down the straights. And all this power from a 2.2litre engine. Realistic? Yeah, sure... I'm sorry if you like to crash into people / objects / anything else in a racing game, but guess what? That's why burnout is popular. I like good games, I enjoyed Forza2, but GT5p is a hell of a lot better as a pure racer. And now they're adding dynamic weather and a damage model, there's not much difference apart from one's on the Xbox and one's on the PS3. Which in your opinion instantly makes it pants. Oh, that and the fact that GT5 will come on 1 disc... |
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Bah - its just some shite marketing slides promoting discussion amongst themselves and perhaps a 'review' group. 80% of the stuff listed probably wouldn't happen (gloves? helmets? tickets? who gives a toss).
It just highlights how little the 'marketing team' really understand about the product and people they are trying to sell to. Forza 3 I'd love to be able to purchase, and it has nothing to do with any of the crap listed in the article. Forza 2 was slightly boring in career mode, but multiplayer, the paint shop, its frame-rate and the superb handling model made up for everything. It is a golden wonder of a racing game in my book (time attack and multiplayer only mind ;) ) Yes, it looks bland (perhaps to maintain frame-rate) at times but anyone who loves racing games outside the Arcade bracket will know it has almost everything that matters. The GT series used to lead the way, played it over and over in multiplayer and time attack of course (see a trend in more realistic racing games here?) but where the hell is the new one? A beefed up slice of a game that should have been out ages ago? Brilliant. That is why I no longer have faith in Polyphony. They seem to be somewhat slow at developing and, from a position of great strength, seem to be doing little to overtake the new king of racers. Forza 2 may, for some people, be less than stellar in the graphics department at times (I personally think it can be quite pretty), may appear less than feature packed (Is GT5 going to be?) but it is a truly great driving simulator. Drive the Ring in a high-powered real wheel drive road car without any aides and tell me that isn't driving crack ;) Forza 3 needs weather and host enforced pit-stop options... Oh - and I'm quite sure it WONT come on two discs ffs, its not a MMORG with tons of video - Stop taking the article contents as gospel, its trash. Edits for awful spelling.
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muftak you are a moron.
Blu-ray has slow access speeds (at least the PS3 drive does) - ever wondered why you're waiting 5 minutes to install crap at the start of every act of MGS4? That's why. Also, factor in how there's at least 3 PS3 games that require 4Gb installs, and yea, Blu-ray is awesome eh? Blu-ray is not required unless you're Konami and insist on inflicting your political stance on gamers through high-def cut-scenes. They fit GTA IV on a DVD9. Blu-ray for games = unneccesary and owned. The funniest thing about the whole blu-ray game fiasco is there was so much crap about not having to switch disks, yet sony have just made you trade it for waiting to install, which actually takes MORE time than switching discs.
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@ seasidedude:
"I've only had about 10-12 PS3 games, but enjoyed every one of them more than an equivalent 360 game." "Microsoft, get your act together, then give your fanboys a break from the constant defending they're having to do at the moment. " "Factor things in like Halol3, which I bought and a few days later traded back in, along with many MANY other people" and when everything fails: "ps3 games are far, FAR more robust. " There are more... something about 360 owners beeing stupid, and MS and EA beeing evil guys... Now tell me, this one makes sense ?: "I am console neutral "
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 11:53
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"I'm sorry but I've had enough of this fanboy nonsense from you."
Pot, kettle aaaaaand ... which colour? "I get the feeling YOU haven't played either." Check my gamercard. FarticusMaximus is the gamertag. I also played GT1-3 to death, and loved them to bits. I played GT5p on DrDamns PS3. "Or been racing in real life." Got photos of me on the track in my Four at Castle Coombe to prove it, framed photo of me and one of the Ferrari's in my living room. Care to verify that Damn? "Or found GT5 too hard" Not hard, and just to clear this up, not bad to play either. It's still GT and GT is still a satisfying game. It's just quite arcadey compared to Forza and I prefer realism in racing games. "Realistic? Yeah, sure..." Japanese amateur tuners regularly get 1000+ bhp from 2.5 litre JZE supra engines in real life. What's your point? "I'm sorry if you like to crash into people / objects / anything else in a racing game, but guess what? That's why burnout is popular." GT5 is the game where you can crash your way around using rails or cars as bumpers with no consequence. Forza actually has damage modelling you know. I want my actions to have consequence, it makes the player focus on braking and catching under/oversteer early and ultimately improves your gameplay. "GT5p is a hell of a lot better as a pure racer." Now this is where we move from fact to opinion. GT5p is 'car porn' or 'sim-lite', but still good fun to play. Forza is more nuts-and-bolts, less flash and more substance. "one's on the Xbox and one's on the PS3. Which in your opinion instantly makes it pants." This is not about platform. I put PGR in the same category as GT, and although I do enjoy playing both of them, they don't scratch my itch for the precision and feedback you get from Forza. |
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seasidebaz
16/06/08 @ 12:13
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@farticus:
Good post. You have gone up a long way in my estimation ;) although I do like the car-porn of gt5. Like I said, Forza2 was enjoyable, I don't feel it was as realistic though. Or as difficult. @miiiguel: seasidebaz (aka barryhaswell on Xbox Live) ... has a gamerscore of 7580 And that hasn't been updated in a very long time cos I don't have a 360 at the moment, and haven't done for about 6 months... Factor in that Halo3 was just an overhyped joke (Wooo big scary generic aliens, a generic homoerotic lead character, and a level designed like a bumhole and you'll see what I mean...) and that the 10-12 games that I've had on PS3 have been better than a 360 equivalent (Uncharted > Tombraider, Oblivion > Oblivion, Everybody's Golf > Tiger Woods, and so on...) I like a lot of games on the 360. I also don't like a lot of games for both consoles (MotorStorm was the biggest waste of £20 I ever spent...) So yeah. I am console neutral. Please don't start taking my comments out of context again. |
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"Factor in that Halo3 was just an overhyped joke (Wooo big scary generic aliens, a generic homoerotic lead character, and a level designed like a bumhole and you'll see what I mean...)"
what did you expected it to be ? A dramatic RPG ? I mean...?!?? "10-12 games that I've had on PS3 have been better than a 360 equivalent (Uncharted > Tombraider, Oblivion > Oblivion, Everybody's Golf > Tiger Woods, and so on...)" you'll have a hard time reaching 10..., face it. "Please don't start taking my comments out of context again." The context seems to be that you hold a grudge to MS (maybe it's because they're filthy rich, or something you read on the internet..., maybe because you were fine with the Sony monopoly of last gen, who knows - most likely not even you), and that's fine, a lot feel that way. I only kinda dislike one thing, in many posts you describe 360 users as some sort of different race who dont deserve the same respect. "I am console neutral." not true, imho, for the reasons posted above. on-topic: I prefer PGR. ;) |
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"Factor in that Halo3 was just an overhyped joke (Wooo big scary generic aliens, a generic homoerotic lead character, and a level designed like a bumhole and you'll see what I mean...) and that the 10-12 games that I've had on PS3 have been better than a 360 equivalent (Uncharted > Tombraider, Oblivion > Oblivion, Everybody's Golf > Tiger Woods, and so on...) "
Oh dear. |
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SentientNr6
16/06/08 @ 12:30
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I absolutely love Forza2 and will buy Forza3 if they don't change the handling too much as it was near perfect.
All I want is better visuals and more tracks. |
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 12:32
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@seasidebaz
"Good post. You have gone up a long way in my estimation" You are aware it's illegal to post something positive about another forum poster aren't you, especially one from 'the wrong side of the tracks'? ;) Regarding handling: I guess everyone comes away from a real-life experience with a certain imprint of what their emotions and responses were, and games can attempt to trigger some of those but ultimately those responses and emotions are recalled and interpreted differently by every persons brain. In real life we may have driven the same track in identical cars but we would still have different 'memories' of the event, and thus realism of anything but visuals in any game has to be viewed with a large degree of subjectivity. At least we can agree to disagree without name calling. ;) |
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this arguement really annoys me
"I'm sorry if you like to crash into people / objects / anything else in a racing game, but guess what? That's why burnout is popular." it is so blinkered. The people who say this invariabley are the ones who also hold the GT series up as some pinnacle of realism.... GT looks stunning but then when you see the cars bumping into each other and bouncing off scenery it completely spoils the illusion, it would be a lot more realistic and more sim-like if it had propper collision physics. Objective fact; in this regard Forza is superior, if only by default because it actually has some collision physics. Agree with farticusmaximus The replay camera angles in Forza 2 were terrible, far too zoomed in on the car so you could never see the driving line/drifting around corners Corvette races were rubbish, infact most stock American car races were rubbish. Forza 3 needs more tracks! the lack of tracks in Forza 2 seriously made career mode tedious. The Oval circuit was boring and New York was lame, basically two long straights joined by a couple of corners.
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 13:03
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"need to improve the graphics, forza 2 looked like a nintendo 64 hi res expansion pack title"
Nice attempt at trolling, however you fail miserably. While not mind-blowing, Forza 2 still looks very good in stills, only slightly behind GT5. The big difference is when things get moving. Forza sacrificed a little visual sparkle for a rock-solid 60fps and the results are far more pleasing than the alternative which is constant tearing and framedrops. In such a fast paced racer I know which I'd prefer. |
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farticusmaximus
16/06/08 @ 13:42
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@chris_ace
*sigh* If it doesnt have 10 billion polys per milimeter and every type of lighting and shading under the sun then it's a shit game, right? You want it to look like PGR? Remove damage modelling and dumb down the handling. You want it to look like GT5? Remove damage modeling, add those polys and shaders then watch it tear and jerk like GT5 does. 60fps beats all other visual considerations in a racing game, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the compromise between visuals and gameplay. |
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