Forza 2 DLC price cut

By Tom Bramwell Published 26 October, 2007

Turn 10 lops off 200 points.

The Internet has finally discovered what Steven Gerrard has known all along: that complaining loudly as you walk past someone does change their mind and get you what you want.

What the hell are we talking about? Well, as the headline suggests, Forza Motorsport 2 developer Turn 10 has had a bit of a think and decided that the widespread anger at its price for downloadable race-track Twin Ring Motegi was a good enough reason to change it.

The result is that instead of paying 600 Microsoft points (GBP 5.10! EUR 6.98! Manners!), you will now be asked to fork over just 400 Microsoft points (GBP 3.40 / EUR 4.65 / good show) for the privilege of spinning around one of Japan's most popular circuits.

According to community manager Che Chou, the track should be buyable from Xbox Live Marketplace as of 9am GMT this morning (is it still BST? I don't know any more), with an associated website scoreboard going live today too and an auto-update for other Forza fans so they can see said 'board in-game.

For more on the thinking behind Twin Ring Motegi's selection, check in with what lead designer Dan Greenawalt had to say when it was announced.

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Comments (35) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • estoo #1 4 years ago

    Excellent, glad i complained now!

  • SteveB #2 4 years ago

    That's better.

    Any idea yet what you can do with the track. i.e. can you use it in career mode ?
    Edited by 1 at 26/10/07 @ 09:29

  • tinners #3 4 years ago

    wow! moaning does work, it's just a hobby for me but getting something out of it is even better :)

  • asphaltcowboy #4 4 years ago

    Great stuff!

  • Xerx3s #5 4 years ago

    5 € is still way too much for one track. Stuff like this really shouldn't be more expensive than 200 points (at best) if they want DLC to be something more than the laughingstock of the industry.

    5 € is about 9% of the full product price while it doesn't even come close to that in terms of content (tracks, cars, coding, etc.). The prices are simply completely out of context and this is no better than horse armour.
    They are basically saying that stuff like this has as much value as something like GWre, which is of course completely ludicrous.

    5 € also isn't the micropayment they promised.
    Edited by 1 at 26/10/07 @ 09:43

  • BBIAJ #6 4 years ago

    It would be great, except that it still isn't up...

  • homerramone #7 4 years ago

    Better, but still too much.

    For that sorta price tag it would need at the very least to be usable in career mode or something.
    Edited by 1 at 26/10/07 @ 09:45

  • SirClive #8 4 years ago

    Good news but I'm not happy with the Stevie G reference ;)

  • LiamK #9 4 years ago

    Hey, don't knock it. Alan Shearer made a career out of getting refs to do what he wants.

  • symbiote #10 4 years ago

    In other news: PGR4 is better than this dull tripe

  • rashes #11 4 years ago

    5 euro is a fair price... and its several variations of it too (which can feel completely different).

  • rob230 #12 4 years ago

    Steven Gerrard has nothing on John Terry, he actually can take a red card out of a refs hand without any issue whatsoever ;)

  • BadBoyBonner #13 4 years ago

    Should have kept it the same price.

    And then actually added enough extra content to make it good value but this is obviously a good compromise.

    That said as it stands - Twin Ring Motegi's not floating my boat – but that could change.

    NOW if they added the Top Gear track - and moderately priced car to race round it, you’d be onto a winner…….


    P.S. TURN10 please add an option to allow the in game co-efficient of tire friction to give accurate simulation – instead of making it feel like you are permanently on wet tarmac i.e. I have the car in the game and the replication is woeful as far as grip goes.

  • Krusty #14 4 years ago

    This is good to hear. Fair play Turn 10.

  • systems #15 4 years ago

    BBIAJ
    The track goes up at 9:00GMT, not 9:00BST. You tried at 8:44GMT. Should be there now though. I think.

    The price is much more acceptable now. You can get the game for £30 so another track for about £4 is just about ok.

  • LOLLERS #16 4 years ago

    "5 € is still way too much for one track."

    haha, there's always one, if they made it 200 points you;d have said '200 points is way too much for one track, this kind of thing should have been free or included in the game anyway!'

  • rob230 #17 4 years ago

    Bonner, you ever played Live For Speed on the PC? you don't need a decent spec and it's probably as realistic as you'll ever get.... too much for some!

    check out the physics at work here:

    [link url=http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=DbmxmMiCzP8
    ]http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=DbmxmMiCzP8
    [/link]

    [link url=http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=9QuKUwX9Erg
    ]http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=9QuKUwX9Erg
    [/link]

    Sounds like it might be up your street

  • groovychainsaw #18 4 years ago

    1/2 that would do, too much for a single track tho (even if you can drive it in 4 different ways.... /sighs)

  • Matfink #19 4 years ago

    Rob: twisting the wheel like that at those speeds seems totally unrealistic and even more slippery - does the graphical turn amount relate to 'real life' in LFS?

  • BadBoyBonner #20 4 years ago

    rob230

    Thanks for that (he seems to catch the lead car very quickly after a complete spin?), it got me to read wiki about it.

    Which lead me to - a comparison of race simulators

    [link url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_racing_si mulators
    ]http://en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_...[/link]

    Which lead me to [link url=http://www.netkar-pro.com/
    ]http://www.netkar-pro.com/
    [/link]

    Have a read, very interesting - seems they are working on a patch (due out 31 October - certainly seems one to watch)

  • Xerx3s #21 4 years ago

    5 euro is a fair price... and its several variations of it too (which can feel completely different).

    For 1 track? No, it really isn't. 5 € for one track is a rip-off, whatever way they spin it.

  • Xerx3s #22 4 years ago

    haha, there's always one, if they made it 200 points you;d have said '200 points is way too much for one track, this kind of thing should have been free or included in the game anyway!'

    Just to compare: If the full game just consisted out of tracks, by these prices, it would still cost 225 €.

    You can try to ridicule it, but if you do the maths, 5 € is just too much for what you get. I'm not saying that it should be included or free but 5 € is just way too much. Stuff like this should follow DLC prices of music stores.

    And don't start the "but they can't do it for free" stuff. F2 sold, what? Just under 1 million copies? If 1% buys it at 99 cents, they will make a royal profit on this.

  • Miths #23 4 years ago

    "For 1 track? No, it really isn't. 5 € for one track is a rip-off, whatever way they spin it."

    €5 is such a ridiculously small sum of money - unless you're living on the streets (I'm guessing most of the Eurogamer audience isn't) or in a 3rd world or otherwise poor country - that I don't see how it can be worth complaining about.

    I really only play PGR4 now rather than Forza (though I'll probably still give this new track a shot), but just a handful of laps around the track should still last me longer than say the Coke and two chololate bars that would cost me around the same.

  • T4RG4 #24 4 years ago

    3.40p is a acceptable price IMO, its an interesting track (you see it a lot of Best Motoring DVD's I think which are far more interesting for petrol heads than Top Gear ;) )

    You do not have to buy it...

    I downloaded the demo of PGR4 and deleted it within 10minutes, thought it was pap handling, so I will spend some pennies on this :p

  • LOLLERS #25 4 years ago

    errr, Motegi is not flat...not like Silverstone anyway.

    Is this any worse than releasing Madden 05, 06, 07, 08? They'll probably go two years between releases and provide small updates like this in between that you don't have to buy...

  • whoslotte #26 4 years ago

    Right direction, but still too much for one track. 200 points please.

  • mkreku #27 4 years ago

    Still too costly.

  • gizmo #28 4 years ago

    Way too much for one track. Anyone saying otherwise must be in the industry. I spend oodles on games so cash isn't the issue, I simply refuse to be ripped off like this. Xerx3s is absolutely spot on in his post above.

  • CocoPops #29 4 years ago

    People Power

  • kangarootoo #30 4 years ago

    Hurrah for buy power.

    I am frequently surprised that the pricing of DLC is so often off the mark. You would think the publisher ompanies would conduct sufficient market research to not get surprised by the response to the pricing of stuff like this track, GH track bundles and horse armour.

  • ScottyXTUK #31 4 years ago

    Fair price, are you lot insane?? It's a f**cking rip off £3.40 for one lousy track? The full game can be bought for £25 and they have the cheek to charge for a track? I thought this was free and might entice me to play Forza 2 again but frankly I'm appaulled that they charge and will not pay for it out of principle.

    This paying for downloadable stuff is a complete rip off and should not be encouraged. We have already bought the game, ffs give us something for free for once.

    So with the way things are going, £3.40 for one track and they might release say 10 more, so basically £35.00 for 10 new tracks, more than the price of the game. Do you see where this is going and why it is evil? £3,40 might not sound much for one item but when a lot of DLC becomes available its extortianate.

    How come nearly all downloadable content for PC games is free and PC games also cost less than Xbox 360 games?

    Well whil you suckers rush out and part with your paper round money then this stuff will just get worse. We must unite people and refuse to pay ANYTHING or at the very least a nominal fee. I wouldn't pay over 50p for one track, what an insult Turn 10 you money grabbing twats.

    Edited by 3 at 26/10/07 @ 21:26

  • yagisencho #32 4 years ago

    Cool! Now I just wait for my 360 to come back from the service center...

  • LOLLERS #33 4 years ago

    "why should we have pay twice....................... "


    er, how you are paying twice? The game you pay £35 for already had enough content for a full game, or I doubt it would have been scoring 90+ on Metacritic. This is extra content for people who are still playing the game and don't want to wait 2 years to play some kind of new Forza.

    Anyway, you can't buy a premium £50 limited edition copy of a game at launch then complain about a 3 quid bit of DLC, you could get both for less than £20 now, that sounds like a bargain.

    Why am I even trying to justify this...

  • BadBoyBonner #34 4 years ago

    I have not bought any downloadable content.

    And hope I never have to.

    Rip-off. Clearly it makes business sense of some sort - but those daft enough to buy are effectively promoting the idea of withholding content.

    PLEASE nobody buy downloadable content

    +10 to the line from Digital~Orgasm

    "How come nearly all downloadable content for PC games is free and PC games also cost less than Xbox 360 games?"

    Answer

    Seems anyone clever enough to get a PC running is not daft enough to pay for extra content.

    Extra content should be free - with the pay off being people will be playing your product longer - and that this may in turn, make new people buy your product - which was voiced by Mark Rein - and I agree with it.

  • DFawkes #35 4 years ago

    Piracy is a bit harder on 360 than PC.

    DLC isn't a bad thing in itself, but when publishers start purposefully holding stuff back to sell as "extra" content, you've got a problem.

    That said, I bought the track, and enjoy it. If no-one else is willing to pay for it, they don't have to, but I wanted a new track. I had spare change in the bank anyway (I can never be bothered going into the bank to take out less than £10) so I don't mind.