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Football Manager Live First Impressions

PC First Impressions by Kristan Reed

20 April, 2007

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"It's evil," mutters jubilant Sports Interactive co-founder Paul Collyer as we file out of the Football Manager Live press conference. He's got that knowing, sheepish grin of a man who knows full well how compulsive his massively multiplayer title is going to be. He knows the hours it will consume, the sleep we will lose. With the thought still evidently rattling around his head, he later repeats the observation, nodding. "Evil."

Live is, of course, Evil spelled backwards. It starts to make more sense. Sadly, the best anagram of Football Manager I could come up with was 'Fab Goal! Loan term?' which is yet more evidence of the game's hidden intent. Just ask Paul Collyer. Miles Jacobson's dodgy Watford connections become even clearer once you re-arrange the letters to spell 'Fab goal. Ram Elton'. I'll stop now before it gets messy, or worse, sued. [Or even worse, edited out. - Ed]

Lining up together at a press conference for the first time, founders Paul and Oliver Collyer sit alongside beaming studio director Miles Jacobson, and proceed to rib each other throughout the least corporate demonstration of a videogame that you're ever likely to witness. Football Manager Live is about as simple an idea as possible: it's a fantasy football MMO with an eBay-style auctioning system, and nicks the best bits of the parent game we all know and love.

Tempted out of retirement

The brainchild of fellow darkening ginger Oliver 'Ov' Collyer, the other less outwardly evil co-founder of Sports Interactive, who returned from his globe trotting travels with an MMO plan to shake up the football management status quo. Acutely aware that many long-term Football Manager players were finding their life situation changing (marriage, kids, heavy duty life-sapping jobs, etc), Sports Interactive began thinking of how to bring those lapsed players back into the fold - while also creating the kind of expansive world that hardcore players could utterly lose themselves in. Welcome to your bosom, Football Manager Live.

'Football Manager Live' Screenshot 2

In development for two years, and in Alpha since last autumn, a team of just four core SI staff have been beavering away on the PC and Mac alpha versions of the game, and already the game is in a fully playable state. In a remarkable gesture, Sports Interactive gave attendees to the press conference full access to a working version of the game, despite being 11 months away from launch. Refreshingly keen to get core members of the press involved at an unprecedented early stage, the hope is to gather as much feedback as possible, iron out all the kinks and deliver something that players will want to subscribe to over a long period of time.

"Rather than you all just going away and regurgitating the press release, we thought we'd give everyone in this room a chance to play it so you can make your own mind up about it," says Jacobson. Such generosity isn't misplaced confidence, either. In short, the game works a charm already, and even at this embryonic stage it offers an excellent insight into a project that has the potential to be even more successful than its parent game.

But these are still very early days, and there's an awfully long way to go before we can fully digest its long-term appeal. In the middle of next month, the game moves into a lengthy beta test phase, where 1000 members of the community (and competition winners) will be able to sign up initially (via the official website). After that, it's "likely" that more spaces will be made available as they ramp up to the spring 2008 release, so don't worry if you don't get a place initially. The game's development, according to Jacobson, is "proactive and reactive... community driven", and that concept alone gives you an insight into why SI is so keen to make it the product that the players want, as opposed to the whims of the team. As much as the game's about creating your team, SI appears just as keen to listen to what people want from the game.

So how's it looking now? Essentially you log in with an email address and password, select a squad from the pool of players in the 'game world', or simply auto-select and let the computer take care of it for you. As long as you don't go above the mandatory £100k wage ceiling, you can pick whoever you like, providing someone hasn't got there first. The first thing to note is that although the players themselves are from the real world of football, you have to create your own fictional team name (Pathetic Athletic), complete with nickname (The Tossers), stadium name, pitch length and width, as well as all your own personal details, photo, logo, favourite team, the area where you live and so on. That way, Sports Interactive reasons, you won't end up with dozens of people all playing as Manchester United to gain the advantage. In FML, it's all about your signings, playing the transfer market, keeping an eye on the contract situation and, of course, your tactical nous on match day.

Talking of transfers, SI is keen to push the auction-style system used in the game, with players able to bid up to a deadline in traditional style, or perhaps take the plunge and snag that tricky winger in an instant buy - and that applies to loans as well as full transfers, while other players (such as free transfers) can be bid on based on their daily salary. As you might expect, you have to watch out for gazumping - a factor that's sure to be a big issue in the fully fledged games when they get going in the beta test. But unlike FM, FML takes a more short-term approach to contracts, so you might end up only securing the services of a player on a four-week contract, for example.

Bottle pissers beware

'Football Manager Live' Screenshot 1

In terms of ranking, it's not entirely clear exactly how it will work, but SI has stressed that it is experimenting with a proportionate system where casual players will be awarded more points for a win (and likewise lose more points for a defeat) than someone who plays multiple games a day. So, unlike other MMOs, the accessibility level should be extremely high, with the incentive to dip in and out just as strong as the "bottle-pissers" who want to live and breathe the game. That in itself makes FML about ten times more appealing than most MMOs for the average gamer.

All the little touches you're used to from FM appear in FML, from the font style and general look and feel of the front-end, to the drop-down menus and general intuitive ease of tabbed/drop-down menu navigation. For example, upon starting up the game you have the choice to go for single or multi-windowed view to allow all your background guff to still be easily accessible (while you 'work'...), while every part of every menu seems to hot-link to something else of interest. Having refined so much of the interface in FM, it's a breeze to just enter the game, arrange the squad, sort out general and advanced tactics, enter the chat room, find a player, set up a friendly challenge and play the match. Once a player has responded, the whole match scenario plays out almost exactly as it does in FM, so it's not a game that will take anyone long to get to grips with.

In-game, there are three different match speeds (which you have to agree to between you), and FML allows players to haggle over such details via the instant messenger system. Meanwhile spectators can actually join your game-in-progress to see how you're doing, as well as chime in with cheeky quips of their own. Perhaps the most crucial element of any online football management game is how stoppages are handled, such as enforced tactical changes brought about by injuries or sending-offs. In such situations, you're given a one minute 'Time-Out' to make any tweaks, which keeps the game fast and free-flowing.

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JayeM
20/04/07 @ 13:17
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Stunning. :o
WriterUK
20/04/07 @ 13:19
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Serious competition to WoW. Seriously.
blizeH
20/04/07 @ 13:20
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Can someone please explain in a nutshell what this is about?
_grumpy
20/04/07 @ 13:24
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It's about to remove what little was left of my life by the sound of it ;)
HarryPalmer
20/04/07 @ 13:25
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/enters nutshell

It's a football management game.

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Freelancepolice
20/04/07 @ 13:26
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:o

*please be better than sky sports football manager*

No word on subscription fees?
Miles_SI
20/04/07 @ 13:28
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BlizeH - ripped off from our "frequently asked questions" guide, which you can find on our website (http://www.sigames.com)

"Imagine a cross between Football Manager, fantasy sports and an auction room and you’ll get the basic idea.

It’s a massively multiplayer football management game, using the Football Manager match engine. The main game has been written from the ground up, whilst it utilises some of the features from its older brother.

Up to 1,000 managers can play against each other to try and be the No 1 manager in their particular gameworld. There will be many gameworlds and the exact number of players in each will be subject to balancing - we'll be working on that during the first stage of the beta-testing process."
afray
20/04/07 @ 13:28
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\does happy wee
StarchildHypocrethes
20/04/07 @ 13:30
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Hmmm.

As a huge fan of the old Championship Manager/Football Manager games for as long as I can remember, this has surprisingly left me somewhat cold.

Almost.....meh.
Ikari2001
20/04/07 @ 13:42
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I think this could be awesome... but depends how they organise stuff in each "Game World". There has to be some sort of league structure in each world? Cos one ginormous leagu is gonna be a bit of a pain, but if you had a number of leagues with divisions allowing for promotion and relegation, cup competitions, etc, then I'm definitely interested!

I suspect the main draw for football management games was tobe able to manage the real life football teams. But SI know more about this stuff and no doubt have done their research, so I'm sure they know who wants to play this :D
FWB
20/04/07 @ 13:42
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How quickly are we going see players being ebayed?
Ikari2001
20/04/07 @ 13:44
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lol E-Bay? You can imagine it now can't u?

I got Rooney for a knock down price of £100!
Ronaldinhio? £300! Muahahahaaa
lambtron
20/04/07 @ 13:46
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"Hmmm.

As a huge fan of the old Championship Manager/Football Manager games for as long as I can remember, this has surprisingly left me somewhat cold.

Almost.....meh."

I utterly fail to see how someone who likes this kind of game cannot see the potential of this. Its not my kind of game - doesn't mean I can't understand why this would be amazing for fans.
FWB
20/04/07 @ 13:46
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Better still... you pay 300 quid for him and he gets injuried for 6months. Awesome.

Can you set up your own private league, say with just one team? That way I can always be number one.
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Ikari2001
20/04/07 @ 13:54
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there is great potential here, but the guys at SI have been on top with CM/FM for decades now, so I'm sure they'll manage to put out something as good in a years time :D
LetsGo
20/04/07 @ 13:59
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"I utterly fail to see how someone who likes this kind of game cannot see the potential of this. Its not my kind of game - doesn't mean I can't understand why this would be amazing for fans. "

Because we already play FM07 online... for free.... with all FM functionality :)
afray
20/04/07 @ 14:00
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The one issue I worry about, after my initial rush has subsided to just joyous humming, is the lack of any "real-world" context to each game.

If you're basically playing in a series of friendlies in an ad-hoc fashion, how are games supposed to take on any wider context? The must-win 6-pointers? The second-leg deficits? The last-day-of-the-season title-grab? Is this going to be fun-but-meaningless CounterStrike to Half-Life's superb single-player?
Leonaedas
20/04/07 @ 14:00
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This game will destroy people's lives.
FWB
20/04/07 @ 14:04
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If you're basically playing in a series of friendlies in an ad-hoc fashion, how are games supposed to take on any wider context? The must-win 6-pointers? The second-leg deficits? The last-day-of-the-season title-grab? Is this going to be fun-but-meaningless CounterStrike to Half-Life's superb single-player?

Good point. Conclusion... this will suck.
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Miles_SI
20/04/07 @ 14:06
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Ikari - ripped from our FAQ.

"How does the league table work with 1,000 teams in each gameworld? In the main gameworld rankings, it’s not a case of three points for a win; you are awarded points for winning (or losing points for losing) based on a lot of different factors including, but not limited to, the position of the two teams, whether the game has been played home or away and the size of the win. There are all sorts of clever bits in there to ensure that teams that play hundreds of games a month don’t get a “levelling” advantage over those that play a couple of games a day, so it’s possible for any team to do well, not just those that play the most games.

Do all of the teams have to play one another? No, not at all. You can play friendlies against any team who happens to be online, or you can join or set up competitions.

How do competitions work? For the most part, competitions will be user generated. They are very easy to set up, with lots of parameters available. You can have cup or league competitions, or a combination of the two, set how many points for a win (those points are separate to actual rankings points) and also define what rank of team can enter said competitions. There are deadlines by when each match has to be played to ensure that the competitions don’t go on for ever.

There may well be some official organised competitions inside the gameworld too, but if there are any, they will be optional."

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20/04/07 @ 14:06
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I'm not saying it will suck, I love CounterStrike. But I love football manager not for the matches' tactical battles (anything deeper than formation changes is a bit over my head), but the drama that comes with each. I hope this game finds a way to replicate that.
Miles_SI
20/04/07 @ 14:08
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Afray - user generated competitions. Leads to all kinds of "must win" games, not just one competition.
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20/04/07 @ 14:09
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Ah, Miles has stayed my fears a bit. But if most competitions aren't official, they won't carry the bragging rights of, say, winning the Premiership proper. There has to be a feeling of progression, rather than only your ranking going up ten places.

EDIT: Progression's the wrong word. Maybe a 1000-player league can set up a UEFA-style body, to provide "official" top-flight competitions? Otherwise it might end up in a boxing/darts muti-competition situation. Actually the politics of that is getting me interested. :)
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Eldritch
20/04/07 @ 14:10
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Why does it have to be that ugly?
StarchildHypocrethes
20/04/07 @ 14:12
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afay's posts pretty much nail the reasons why I have little excitement for this. You're not taking control of a real team, you're not really battling for anything other than a solitary win. I've never really enjoyed the whole 'Fantasy Team' aspect some sports games include either so the whole either which doesn't help.
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20/04/07 @ 14:22
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user generated competitions. Leads to all kinds of "must win" games, not just one competition.

Good point. Conclusion... it will rock your world.
Danbojones [staff]
20/04/07 @ 14:22
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Bye bye world.
marcduffy
20/04/07 @ 14:23
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There are official competitions, in the current test world we have the SI FA Premier and SI FA Cup. Each with a lot of prize money for the winners (and some prize money divided up depending on your position). We will create more I'm sure.

Some users have created a Champ league styled tournament as well. With all of these there are six pointers, there are some classic finals (which you can either view live or watch a rerun when you login)

All of this adds to the fun. You can create any type of tournament you like
Miles_SI
20/04/07 @ 14:24
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Alray - that depends what the prize money is. And depends on what other competitions that one you have played links to. The possibilities are endless :)

StarchildHypcrites - you are missing the point entirely. Why not read what I've written? But if it's not for you, it's not for you - I don't personally like FPS', but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate that others do.
afray
20/04/07 @ 14:31
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Sounds like SI are way ahead of me. Can't wait.
StarchildHypocrethes
20/04/07 @ 14:40
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Miles_SI: Was banging away at my keyboard while you'd posted. The ability to add competitions makes it sound a lot better. Fair enough. Still might lack the emotional bond I can develop with my FM teams, but I can appreciate that it's something a little different. And I'm sure there are plenty of people that will enjoy it, fear not and untwist those knickers :P. I think I'll just have to keep an eye on it for a while to see how things develop.
FWB
20/04/07 @ 14:41
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I take it tho there will be only one world where you can obtain players, right?
captain_cupcake
20/04/07 @ 15:42
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Abnormal Late Fog
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Balloon Fart Game...?
morriss
20/04/07 @ 15:44
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I'm gonna steer well clear of this one. For the sake of my family.
RexRunti
20/04/07 @ 16:08
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Not my sort of game but I can seriously see people losing serious amount of hours with this. Also it seems to have a huge potential with the mass market.

The final point i'd like to make is kudos to SI for having employees actually read forum comments and respond in an open and honest way (not a xmas-psp way). It's always good when a company listens to your fears (or rathe afray's) and tries to do something about it.
thedaveeyres
20/04/07 @ 16:11
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This sounds absolutely brilliant!
thefilthandthefury
20/04/07 @ 16:14
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I prefer playing single player FM to be honest... not too interested in this, but I'll keep an eye on it.
marcduffy
20/04/07 @ 16:19
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I'm sure there are more like you who are too much in love with the single player mode and who wont make the switch.

This game is ideal for those with time constraints (women, kids, jobs) who want to dip in and out, get SMS messages when on the move to stay abreast of the latest developments in their world.
Errol
20/04/07 @ 17:26
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All I saw in the comment above mine were the words 'abreast' and 'women'.

Still, looks like a corking game.
bunglebonce
20/04/07 @ 18:11
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This reminds mea little of Pure Fantasy Football, a play-by-mail game I participated in about 10 years ago. It's still going, afaik.
Errol
20/04/07 @ 18:15
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The final point i'd like to make is kudos to SI for having employees actually read forum comments and respond in an open and honest way

Yes, the SI comments have been very helpful and make a refreshing change from the normal attitude adopted by game developers.
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20/04/07 @ 18:22
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Sounds like hattrick only better in alot of ways but, in hattrick they have it all split up into divisions of 8 teams which does give you that 'six pointer matches' and cup competitions. I can see where SI are coming from with their system though as it means you can play matches all day and not have to wait a week for each match.

The 'e-bay' style bidding in hattrick is fantastic, I sat up to all hours of the morning to wait for that special player. If they can implement the same sort of system it will be excellent. Not sure about letting people have immediate transfers as this will be open to all sorts of abuse.
Overlush
20/04/07 @ 18:22
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Yawn
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20/04/07 @ 19:20
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So it's Sunday League then? Except not free.

Sorry, that's a bit glib. I'm just a typical FM fan, I fear change!
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Miles_SI
20/04/07 @ 20:18
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FWB - there will be multiple game worlds.

Lets go - FML is a very different game to playing FM online. But you may prefer the latter, and that's fine - as long as we're entertaining you somehow, we're happy :)

RexRunti - thanks for that. It's nice to be appreciated! As a company, we try and be very community driven, and are more than happy to post here and on other forums to give people answers that they want about our games.

Stickman - not just glib, but wrong too :)

I'm not knocking Sunday League, as it's a lot of fun, but FML is a very different game. It's worth looking at the FAQ on our website (which I'll also post later tonight in our Eurogamers group if I get a chance) to see why. Oh, and it's got the FM match engine, which no other MMO's have, and that's a big difference in itself.
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20/04/07 @ 22:55
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Scanning through this, I was just wondering if the following was in theory possible.

If I set up a website as a governing body, and invite people to join my sanctioned leagues and cup competitions. Would I be able to keep track of all of them and organise my own promotion and relegation battles and stuff?

I'd like to do something with more of a rigid structure if there is scope to do it.

bcolter
21/04/07 @ 01:23
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Hey you guys like hockey eh? NHL Playoffs eh?

/Runs.....
insincere_dave
21/04/07 @ 02:43
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The full Football Manager just scares me but playing a couple of hours a week on this with mates could well be something I'm interested in. Good work SI.
marcduffy
21/04/07 @ 06:40
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cannibal : You can do all of this in the game. You can create your own competition with it's own set of rules. You can make it private by inviation only and go around and pick the people you want to participate.

You would set everything up ranging from the competition name and how it will work right through to prize money, points for a win (league) or 1 or 2 legged matches (cup)

Once people are in and you start the competition when it's over you can change things around, move teams in and out as you see fit, and begin the next competition season.

You have the power
Harrihotpants
21/04/07 @ 07:47
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@ Miles_SI

There are no sections on your site with 'how to deal with a disgruntled missus 'cos you've crawled into bed at 5am for the fifth consecutive night due to this game'

A link to good divorce lawyers would also be a potential winner...

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