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PlayStation 3 News by Robert Purchese

15 July, 2009

thatgamecompany is working on a third, unannounced game for Sony (and probably PS3) to follow in the footsteps of flOw and Flower.

Speaking at the Brighton Develop Conference, studio co-founder Jenova Chen said it will be "a totally different game" - albeit one that "feels like a natural progression" for the company.

And, he added: "[It's] definitely something you've never experienced before."

Chen dodged specifics, but revealed plenty about his "innovating on feeling" future direction during his talk.

Clad in salmon-pink, he said games need to have more mature content and appeal to a wider variety of emotions, because the audience has grown up - an intellectual move away from the "primal" core of extremes, and out to the subtle perimeter.

When talking about films, said Chen, critics use words like "magical", "passionate" and "captivating". You would never ask someone whether they watched films, he argued. But when addressing games, feelings are limited to: "this is really fun, this is really cool" - "as if they were describing a car".

"In the future there's a lot of feelings that videogames haven't explored that are open for us to find," he added. "Variety is a sign of a mature medium."

Chen dodging specifics may also be because they are not yet nailed in place. He talked about how the game mechanic for Flower - wind blowing petals - took two years to decide upon, and many prototypes.

There was the concept of landing a seed on soil to sprout a plant and let-fly another seed - a bit like golf. "Probably more fun than golf, actually," said Chen. There was a prototype about playing as a mind that Chen got very excited about but nobody else could understand. And even when the petal idea did blossom, Sony wanted "depth and challenge" to the game, which meant more work.

But Flower's development was "way better" than flOw before it. That was "50 per cent under feature" and "100 per cent over schedule", which Chen said totalled "400 per cent fail".

Inexperience was his biggest challenge, he said, although this represented "yummy pain" in the grand scheme of things.

That his company would look anywhere other than PS3 for this third game, then, seems unlikely. His admiration for Sony is gushing, too. "I really really appreciate what Sony has done for us," he said. "They still keep funding our project, and that's really, really nice. It's a really pleasant experience.

"They have this appreciation of games that are more interesting to adults. They prefer adult entertainment and the games we make are a good match for them."

After the third project, Chen said he would have to have a "rethink". "Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected," he admitted, referring to Project Natal and the PS3 wand.

And while thatgamecompany has targeted love and happy feelings, Chen said we may see "cool and dark" games in the future.

"I really like negative-feeling games. I played a lot of competition games when I was young," he revealed, not mentioning no names. Although, he added: "God of War is a really good game about hatred."

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MightyMouse
15/07/09 @ 16:13
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Flower is the best game ever. That is all.
schachmatt
15/07/09 @ 16:18
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Flowest?
Luckyjim
15/07/09 @ 16:40
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Flower's definitely one of my favourite games of last year. A really unique experience.
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15/07/09 @ 16:45
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I fucking love Flower, so anything they do in the future is of huge interest to me. It's probably a couple of years away, but I will follow any tidbits of news with this as I would a Team Ico game. ThatGameCompany are bloody great.
dr_shambles
15/07/09 @ 16:49
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Still yet to play Flower, although I loved Flow.
Ducklord
15/07/09 @ 17:05
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Oh piss off you uncultured little swine.
Triggerhappytel
15/07/09 @ 17:23
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Will the retards please piss off and find a topic about a game where you shoot people?

Thanks in advance.
Cloudane
15/07/09 @ 17:35
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Flower is genuinely one of the best games of the year so far, if not one of the best downloadable experiences on any of the 'next generation' consoles to date.

It may not be a game as such but it truly is an experience like no other.

I'd quite like thatgamecompany to 'port' their web-browser based game 'Cloud' on the PSN too!
Triggerhappytel
15/07/09 @ 17:38
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Or how about they bring Cloud to the PSP as an app, once Sony's store launches? That would be gravy.
Baranga
15/07/09 @ 17:38
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"Something you've never experienced."

Penetration.
It'll sell millions.

peterfll
15/07/09 @ 18:00
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My dad bought Flower. The only video game he's ever bought.

Must be something in that.
makeamazing
15/07/09 @ 20:19
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Dont worry about CountMuppet, he cant help himself.. little fanboy he is....

Was they supposed to be making more levels for Flower or wsa the "other room" just the final endgame?
makeamazing
15/07/09 @ 21:11
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See Countmuppet complains that the PS3 has crappy non AAA non man games like Flower, but I dont see him complaining about Milo, 1v100, and those wii avatars... double standards me thinks.
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15/07/09 @ 21:22
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"When talking about films, said Chen, critics use words like "magical", "passionate" and "captivating". You would never ask someone whether they watched films, he argued. But when addressing games, feelings are limited to: "this is really fun, this is really cool" - "as if they were describing a car".
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And while thatgamecompany has targeted love and happy feelings, Chen said we may see "cool and dark" games in the future".


Guess that "magical", "passionate" and "captivating" don't really sell after all.
Gotta go for the "cool" then.

Oh, and their next game just have to be called Flowest. :)
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VandelayIndustries
15/07/09 @ 21:33
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More power to him, Flower is wonderful.
makeamazing
15/07/09 @ 21:48
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ooooh backtracking... like it...haha
Watkins381
15/07/09 @ 22:12
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haha, this guy Chen complains that people use generic words like 'cool' to describe games, but then himself says that we could see some 'cool and dark' games in the future? irony?
Doctor_What
15/07/09 @ 22:29
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Flower really is an incredibly captivating experience and I'm very much looking forward to whatever they make next. I've converted more than a few doubtful people about the game just by giving the joypad for few minutes and saying 'give it a try'.

And CountFap, those people work on FPS game and violent driving games for a living, so it's not about 'be[ing] a man and play[ing] real games'. These people play 'real' games all the time and make them too, but they appreciate the finely crafted experience and journey that Flower takes them on. I'm sorry to hear that you don't appreciate it. I have never once been transfixed by any Zelda game, but I don't call people 'pussies' for liking a game about a boy trying to save a princess. We all have different tastes.

To put it another way, saying that people are stupid for their choice of game or gaming system is like saying that all tea drinkers are fools who can't see the superiority of coffee - it's blatantly untrue and just makes you look foolish. Please, stop trying to do the PS3 v.s 360 war. It's intensely tedious.

Games like Flower benefit everyone, even Battlefield fans, because it broadens the definition of what can make a satisfying game. There will always be a market for blasting things, but if I want a tranquil game then I know I can boot up Flower and go away with a smile on my face rather than a scowl.
Emilia'sHorse
16/07/09 @ 00:05
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I am suprised Countfapula bothers to edit his comments.

Love Flower, Love Flow and I am sure I will love the third title.
chessboxer
16/07/09 @ 00:18
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@ CountFapula,

What will you do when the 3 year warranty ends and your 360 dies? Go out and buy another to last another 3 years?
Scimarad
16/07/09 @ 04:34
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Flower is one of my favourite things I've played this generation - I really can't wait to see what they'll come up with next.
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16/07/09 @ 06:20
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To put it another way, saying that people are stupid for their choice of game or gaming system is like saying that all tea drinkers are fools who can't see the superiority of coffee - it's blatantly untrue and just makes you look foolish.
What do you mean? All tea drinkers are fools who can't see the superiority of coffee! D:

I only partially agree to Chen's point about the language used to describe films vs. language used to describe games. However I dare you to find a review that describes Star Trek or Terminator 4 as 'magical, captivating' or a review of ICO that doesn't use those terms. It's just a question of relative exposure. There are proportionally more shooty games than shooty films but that doesn't mean that there aren't shooty films or non-shooty games.
makeamazing
16/07/09 @ 06:56
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yeah the funny thing is you dont wind me up at all...haha.

Your just a muppet that likes to slate the PS3 at all times, but as no one gives a crap about your comments (as they are worthless here) your backtracking... nice one :)

Its not my fault you have PS3 envy all the time.
reelbigkris
16/07/09 @ 07:22
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As much as i enjoyed flower and flow, i do occasionally get the feeling that Chen is an arrogant git that feels his games are more important than anyone else. I guess he earned it, considering they've got a pretty good track record so far.

Why is it that every time a PS3 related article gets posted, some random loser would rather spend his time posting negative comments in an attempt to upset the people who would visit this page? If I felt the ps3 had wronged me in anyway I'd find better things to do than to repeatedly hit the refresh button in order to spark off some sort of interaction with people i will never even meet. It is funny, and sad.
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16/07/09 @ 07:23
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"Oh but ICO and Shadow of the Colossus are probably the most overrated games I ever have played in my life." - CountFlapula

I thought you were a dick but now I KNOW you're a dick.
cragtek
16/07/09 @ 07:33
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I like what this guy has to say for himself. Flower was pretty out there and funky - left field stuff is good, and we need more.
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Domovoi
16/07/09 @ 07:41
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Flower is genuinely one of the best games of the year
It may not be a game


Fail.
designerheadache
16/07/09 @ 07:43
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Flower was awesome, and with bringing experiences to people they have never experienced in mind.

I have never experienced a threesome with Kelly Brook and Megan fox, can it be that please?
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16/07/09 @ 07:51
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@ The Count

Um...I'm not about to admit to something I don't think. I preferred ICO to SotC, but both are extraordinary accomplishments that transcend their traditional 'gameplay' elements. If you're approaching these games as though they are platform games and nothing else then you are missing the point. The relationship between Ico and Yorda is one of the most expertly realised in interactive entertainment imo.

BTW, Pac-man is basic in terms of gameplay. Is that shit too? Oh, and Battlefield isn't so complicated either, seeing as that's your poison.
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SpyroViper
16/07/09 @ 08:13
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"lmao flower

no wonder ps3 owners suck ass at real games like battlefield 1943

Pussies"

No wonder console gamers suck ass at REAL games like Battlefield 2!

n00b
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16/07/09 @ 08:17
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Critique MS my ASS.

You just moan ON and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON about the SAME OLD PISS EVERY TIME.
kangarootoo
16/07/09 @ 08:21
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@CountFapula

You must know you are making yourself look foolish here. People clearly aren't bothered by your attempts to sleight their manliness, so repeating the same thing over and over just makes it look like you have no other "ammunition".

Ever heard the term "the gentleman doth protest too much"? Some might ask why you feel the need to let everyone know just how manly you are by telling us you play manly games. I'm not sure anyone questioned your manliness until you opened your mouth on the subject.

I played Flower and I loved it... LOVED it and wanted to kiss it... twice. And I could also probably bench press you, before going home and snogging my girlfriend for a WHOLE 20 minutes. Now one of those statements is relevant here, and the other isn't. Guess which I would have ommitted if I wasn't making a point?
SeesThroughAll
16/07/09 @ 08:33
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@ CountFapula: Enjoy your masculinity. :D
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16/07/09 @ 08:38
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Flower was fantastic. It's great that Sony support things like this as they're a real breath of fresh air in a world of samey sequels.
kangarootoo
16/07/09 @ 09:28
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"Kangaroo: only gay guys work out a lot"

Jesus christ, way to miss the point. Or way to play into my trap perhaps ;)

I was being sarcastic dude (I stay in shape, but I probably couldn't bench press you, my neck is a perfectly healthty diameter), and here you are writing two paragraphs about sweaty men working out in gyms, stating YET AGAIN how its not for you because you are too manly.

Add to that the odd casual homophobic remark, and its yet another guranteed receipe to make people question your own closeted sexuality. Yet again, you still doth protest to much you see.

"and I need pics of your girlfriend to see if your maniliness is all that"

Well first off, I am clearly not sending pictures of my girlfriend to anyone on the internet (not for less than the standard fee at any rate) :).

Secondly, you seem to assume that I got my girlfriend by "being manly". I actually like to think the process was rather more complex than that. If my girl friend liked me purely because I stay in shape, she wouldn't be my girl friend. But hey, you play to your strengths and I'll play to mine.
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I don't have to buy games anymore because these threads are so entertaining :P
kangarootoo
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@CountFapula

I think that its actually a bit of both :)

But I shall let you retire gracefully, 'cos I'm generous like that ;)
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16/07/09 @ 10:03
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@CountFapula. Welcome to the ignore list, number 65!
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Flower was very very short but very good at the same time. I certainly enjoy what thatgamecompany have produced so far so I have high hopes that they will bring the goods again.

I do agree with the comments that games do need to be break out of the only every being described as 'Cool' etc but then there not many ways of the describing chainsawing someone in half to another person other then using cool somewhere which is more a problems of the types of games that are the most prevalent.
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Singularity
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Wow, seeing all the love for Flower has inspired me to dl it tonight. Really enjoyed fl0w, but never got around to the second title.
designerheadache
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@Singularity

do it its awesome :P
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16/07/09 @ 11:51
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Flower is an amazing experience and a good game to boot that really gives massive feelings of achievement and progression. To fully master Flower you must be quite a competent gamer as the level of the challenge to collect every purple flower is certainly not for impatient noobs. The feeling of flying is superb and testament to what is achievable with the motion controls. My only reservation was that is was too short for it's cost and really wanted it to go on forever. To those who haven't yet downloaded it - do so ASAP as you will have a lot of fun. Fingers crossed that their 3rd game is as inspirational and playable as the last!
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I could give a shit about flower, I just wanted to rile up Make amazing because I KNEW he would be reading this thread.

Seems that I am winding you up, more than you are me :) - especially if you feel you have to post crap in every PS3 post just to try and get at me.... loser...lol.. .seems like another backtrack excuse to me :D

I always love your comments, you talk crap and then try to turn it on everyone else... hey I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you do for a career, especially as you seem to have so much "knowledge" of the games industry, and consider everything on the PS3 to be crap... you must have some experience to be able to comment on this all the time.... oh thats right you dont even own a PS3... cant wait to find you work at MC D's or something.. or is it Job seekers?
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In fairness, I know plenty of people developers who dislike the PS3 because it's a bitch to get your head around the optimisation, but the 360 has its own optimisation issues, albeit slightly more familiar ones. From a user perspective it's all down to what you want. I prefer the PS3 for the overall capabilities plus some great exclusives, but I play plenty of games on my 360 too.

Funnily enough, I think one of the real strong points for PS3 software is precisely games like Flower and the other odd titles on PSN. Outside of Braid, there's not anything exclusively on the 360 Marketplace that I'm interested in (though there are a few 360 and PC titles that are very good and would be nice to have on PSN). It probably doesn't help that I can only just fit two games onto my 360's launch-sized HDD, so I've not bought anything on there yet. I'm buggered if I'm paying MS prices for undersized HDDs!
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Great, two out of the games worth having you can't even get at the moment. Got any more paragraphs of awesome to spill out?
I really liked your "I'm objectively criticising" disclaimer too, I'm completely convinced. Keep it up!
SeesThroughAll
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A lot of xbox fanboys in a thread about a PSN game O.o

Just one. Remarkable how noisy a single fanboy can be... ;)
designerheadache
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ignore poster not working for me in Google Chrome :/
Bazfrag
16/07/09 @ 15:47
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Yay my 1st ignore poster experience :) *Lights a cigarette
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Haha doesnt work on Firefox!!

On topic: i loved flower, but hav'nt played it for a while. This announcement gives me an excuse to go back.
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