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FIFA 08 First Impressions

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First Impressions by Tom Bramwell

1 June, 2007

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I'm watching a video of Alessandro Faiolhe Amantino Mancini scoring for Roma against Lyon in the Champions League. EA's Joe Booth turns it off and says: "We want to give the user that kind of freedom to improvise." Since you couldn't be bothered to click on the video link above even after I went and bloody well found it for you, he means that you should be able to feint right from standing, feint left, step-over right, feint left, step-over right, step-over left, step-over right, exit to the defender's left and put the ball into the roof of the net from six yards, all within one fluid, exacting motion that remains completely under your control. What's brilliant about FIFA 08 is that you actually can do that, it blends logically into the game, and it looks bloody amazing.

There's times, listening to Booth and his colleagues Gary Paterson and Kaz Makita, and playing around in the Arena mode with Ronaldinho, that FIFA sounds like the most realistic football game ever made. Consider what happens when you take a shot. Often you just kick the ball and don't think about it. Frank Lampard certainly does. The 22-page design document for FIFA 08's shot system, which Paterson walks us through, suggests EA does think about it.

The ball, now completely freed from the animation system, is influenced by variables most of us never think about. The connecting foot's angle and position in 3D space is the starter step. Then it factors in its lateral and incoming velocity, the air pressure and density, and the mass of the ball, among other things. The endless graphics on Paterson's Word document show the multitudinous possible outcomes. "Once upon a time we used to compute error by saying, okay, the guy's trying to shoot into the top-corner, we want to do error so we're going to move it into space over here," Joe Booth explains, waving his arms about. "But that's not how real physics works, so what we do now is apply the error to the ball, so you get much more subtlety." Like the Reynolds effect. Which is what, maths-man Gary Paterson? "It's where you hit it so hard the spin doesn't have any effect on the ball until it's slowed down enough. Like Roberto Carlos' goal against France." Aha.

'FIFA 08' Screenshot 1

All of these shots are from FIFA 07, unfortunately. EA wouldn't let us into its secret draw for the new ones.

The other part of what happens when you strike the ball is down to the player. "The key thing for us is to try and analyse the context in which the shot was taken, to try and understand how the player would then kick the ball in that situation," says Paterson. "Once we understand how he would kick the ball we can then apply the errors that would be realistic for football." For example, they've made certain animations slightly longer. "It kind of feels like it would be counterintuitive because you think your responsiveness is going to go down if that's the case," he adds, anticipating concerns. "But it doesn't really, because you see the player trying to kick the ball and that's enough for you." He makes a good point. When people's-champion Steven Gerrard shapes to hit a shot, he needs time and composure. The player logically expects to need that in a game, and shapes his tactics to build towards an authentic shooting opportunity. That realism keys into the emotions the player feels. "When Steven Gerrard gets into space 25 yards from goal and he's got enough space to take a touch and set himself up for goal," says Paterson, allowing us to shoehorn more Steven Gerrard mentions into this paragraph, "that's when the spectators feel that anticipation. We want that in FIFA."

'FIFA 08' Screenshot 2

Oho! Look at the man in grey. There's no way his team will overlook that dress code error.

Football, for me at least, is all about the aesthetic beauty, the search for a truly original goal. When Torsten Frings wrapped his foot around the ball in the last minute of Germany's World Cup opener against Costa Rica, I leapt out of my chair as it rose and swerved violently into the top corner. "A lot of those goals that continue to rise into the back of the net is down to backspin, and if you get your ball physics right that comes through," Paterson notes. In concert with ball physics and shot maths, then, comes the animation system. It's rooted in last year's "LocoMotion" system, which separated the ball from animation, and allowed the player to react dynamically to where the ball is. Last year's barely perceptible limitations (apparently it had to guestimate the final metre of logic in certain obscure situations) are sorted, and now it can handle things like walking, slow-dribbling, and all sorts of other permutations. "The animation system allows us to be a lot more explicit and a lot more sophisticated with how we kick the ball," says Paterson. "We have animations for when the ball's close, we have animations for when the ball's far so you're stretching at it. Power animations, placed animations."

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northernlights
01/06/07 @ 10:27
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So are we getting lower leagues ??? Championship, League one and two ??? Alot of people were annoyed about this and the SPL not being included.
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01/06/07 @ 10:27
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Mmmmm.... my brain says WANT, but I'm not sure I'll be able to master the gazillion skill moves. Can't wait to see more developments.
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 10:29
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This sounds pantwettingly good. Its adding nearly everything I've wanted from 07 and the CL game.

If you're reading Tom, I dont suppose you know, or can find out, if saveable replays are going to be included? After skill moves its my next most wanted feature.
richardiox
01/06/07 @ 10:30
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^
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macksed
01/06/07 @ 10:39
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the championship IS in fifa07- yay leicester!
HunterKiller
01/06/07 @ 10:41
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Libero Grande \0/

I hope this bit of the game works as I want it to, then EA may get my money for the first time since 2002!
northernlights
01/06/07 @ 10:44
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the championship IS in fifa07- yay leicester!

Not on the 360 Version ! On the PS2 it was.
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 10:59
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You're better than that frod :(
JaysonG
01/06/07 @ 11:00
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Hrm I must commend fifa for its innovation PES while still pretty awesome has been stuck up it's own amazing arse for too long now not fixing problems (although usually aesthetic) that have plagued it since ISS Pro Evo.
Muzakjunkie
01/06/07 @ 11:03
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That first paragraph, you can do just this in PES 6. Dont get me wrong I thought FIFA 07 was a positive step and I like both games (yes I like PES 6 much more). But if your going shout about something shout about something nobody has done yet.

Thats the thing with PES you can finely work and craft your goals and pull something sublime off if you are half decent. When FIFA gets this down (which it was damn close to doing in 07) then they may be on to something.

I look forward to the next iterations of both FIFA and PES.
joeking
01/06/07 @ 11:04
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"New features...improvements...now you can....we want you to feel...now we're accurately replicating...facial animations...dynamic ball movements...new and improved physics...blah, blah, blah"

What a load of b******s. It's the same guff every year from EA, and yet every year, Pro Evo trumps Fifa for gameplay. Granted, the gap between the two last year was as small as it's been for a while...but it was still significant enough to make the 'choice' an easy one as far as I was concerned.

This has got "meh" stamped all over it imo. I'll be surprised if it's even half the game they say it will be.
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 11:05
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Yeah but al...you're full of shit.
joeking
01/06/07 @ 11:08
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11-a-side does sound interesting though, I'll give them that. Fifa World Cup 2010 is looking like being one to keep an eye on. :)
SteveB
01/06/07 @ 11:19
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Well I thought Fifa07 was better than PES6 last year and that's after being a die hard fan of PES all the way back to the snes version. Konami have slowly sucked all the fun out of PES to the extent that Fifa now feels the more varied in it's gameplay. Just my opinion of course.
LeD
01/06/07 @ 11:19
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I really didn't enjoy PES6 and sold it on eBay. It may be the year I switch to FIFA, you know, to have fun.
morriss
01/06/07 @ 11:19
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Sounds fantastic.
Muzakjunkie
01/06/07 @ 11:20
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If you dont like PES 6, you dont like football games. ;)
Tomo
01/06/07 @ 11:33
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PES6 sucks arse. I've never been closer to buying a FIFA game and if the next PES is a heap also, I'm going to the dark side. Doesn't look like a bad time to defect anyway.
WooHoo!!!
01/06/07 @ 11:36
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Seabass and co have been lazy bastards for too long. The next PES better be stellar.
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 11:44
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Doesnt sound that much more complicated than Forzas physics, and no doubt they've scalped a load of stuff from other EA sports titles.

Maybe because they can do it, and you cant, is why you arent working for one of the worlds biggest developers? :P
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 11:57
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Only one of which (ie players) is having an effect on the ball at a time. Not to mention its usually only rudimentary AI if the players are not near the ball.

How do you know how much more complicated it is? I doubt the FIFA physics are anywhere near 360fps, nor exactly how accurate they are. Lets not kid ourselves...air pressure and ball pressure are constants, so its bullshit mentioning those, but otherwise you're basically just dealing with a snooker simulation with maybe half a dozen AI characters moving at the same time. Archer McLean managed some pretty shit hot physics on a 7(?)mhz Amiga 15 years ago.

Dont forget also, FIFA 08 is basically the culmination of a 3 year development cycle. FIFA RTWC, FIFA WC, FIFA 07 and UEFA CL have basically just been beta tests for 08, slowly evolving, with each one having increased physics. Its not like they've suddenly just added it since the last FIFA.

The thing that made you look a fuckwit though was the sarcastic comment about design pages reflecting quality, when noone said it did.
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Sid Nice
01/06/07 @ 12:02
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That video of Alexandro Mancini scoring looks real; I can't wait.
Aretak
01/06/07 @ 12:03
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"It's the same guff every year from EA"

I don't know if you've noticed, but Konami have been releasing the exact same game for about 8 years now.
jakswan
01/06/07 @ 12:20
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Not really a fan of either PES or FIFA but I thought this years UEFA CL on the 360 was A1.
immateriaux
01/06/07 @ 12:21
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PES is definitely starting to fade badly in the light of the new Fifa approach to getting more realism in the game. I still play PES over Fifa but the fact that I can guaranteed score goals in PES from certain positions is a real downer and the lax way they have implemented the through pass, so often the real holy grail of the PES series, is very annoying. Among other things. PES over-values the "strength" stat for example. Player positioning is awful at times, with AI controlled defenders deciding to sprint wide and leave gaps for central attackers, wingers hardly ever running forward appropriately and the real nail in the coffin for me is strikers running offside whilst the ball is still on the edge of your own area yet when you get a winger to the by-line to cross ionto the box, they've all run out of it. And so on.

But, in contrast, Fifa07 just never really clicked with me. Tried playing for a while and whilst I thought general player movement was much better than PES, just never felt the same sense of involvement with play. What's in this article though, if it really comes to fruition as stated, should definitely provoke a more edge of seat feel to the play. I look forward to it.
Zomoniac
01/06/07 @ 12:22
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Last year was the year FIFA edged past PES. This year is the year it annihilates it.
joeking
01/06/07 @ 12:27
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"I don't know if you've noticed, but Konami have been releasing the exact same game for about 8 years now."


Nope. Pro Evo 1-5 represented constant and unyielding evolution. None of this marketing claptrap that EA routinely come out with. Personally, I found Pro Evo 5 to be the zenith of every football game ever made, well ever. Which is why I'm still playing it today. I know many disagree and prefer 4*, but such is life.

I do agree with the majority sentiment expressed here though. The series has stonewalled with number 6, and is on a downward trajectory. It was still miles better than Fifa 07 (imo), provided you had the stomach for a proper hardcore game of footie, as opposed to Fifa 07's arcadey 'fun' factor.

But yes, Seabass and co. can no longer afford to take liberties. Time to remove the finger from the arse and work on re-establishing the 1-5 (or 4, depending on your pov) pattern of constant Evolution (see what I did there?!).

*because since then, Pro Evo has become increasingly 'hardcore', weeding out the 'casuals' in the process! XD
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Totoriko
01/06/07 @ 12:30
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The Wii version will come with a strap to help attach the wiimote to your foot :)
Zomoniac
01/06/07 @ 12:35
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Also: any chance of analogue control? It's a tad overdue in every football game ever. Still. IIRC Uefa Striker on DC had it, and that's it.
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 12:38
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Why would I be in a strop when I've only ever played FFVII? JRPGs bore me shitless. Especially the niche ones ;) Please, work harder.

Maybe you're overanalysing the 22 page thing? Maybe its just there to show how much thought they've put into it.

Good call on the CV though. I clearly am not in a position to comment. How many football games on yours out of interest? When did you stop working at EA Canada?
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01/06/07 @ 12:43
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"That video of Alexandro Mancini scoring looks real; I can't wait"

That just made me laugh out loud
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Aretak
01/06/07 @ 12:50
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"Pro Evo 1-5 represented constant and unyielding evolution."

Utter balls. It's been the exact same game since ISS Pro Evolution back on the PSone, just with a slight tweak to the gameplay every year, sometimes for the better, somtimes for the worse. It's never evolved into anything more enjoyable than ISS Pro Evolution 2 on the PSone, which is still the best of the series by a country mile.
joeking
01/06/07 @ 13:00
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Well, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But I found the year-on-year refinement between 2 and 5 delightful. Each new game was the old one....'cept better. 6 felt like 5 but worse though. N00bified, appeasement isn't the word. Bring back the ease-of-fouling Konami! Weed out the n00bs who just want to hold down X and auto-tackle!
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01/06/07 @ 13:18
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I'm a huge FIFA fan, but this thing with the finesse shots... from what I understood in FIFA 08 less players will be able to do those... well, since Ronaldinho and C.Ronaldo will definitely be two of them, that means even more Barca and ManU opponents on Live... pfff
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skuzzbag
01/06/07 @ 13:19
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You know there is probably a parallel universe where devs make fanboy fighting games and EA and Konami are constantly arguing over which one is best.

Of course it is usually the PES fanboys who start these arguments, funny that!
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01/06/07 @ 13:20
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lol - regardless of all the talk - basically kick ball press button x.

I'll be buying it regardless though.
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01/06/07 @ 13:45
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So will we be getting rebates for the 360 version of Fifa 07 we bought that contained hardly any content compared to the other versions, now they are doing a proper fifa on the 360?
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01/06/07 @ 13:59
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I do fear a bit for Pro Evolution, i've always prefered the gameplay over fifa but Pro hasn't really felt like a new experience since winning eleven 4 on the PS1(this might have been pro 2?). The 360 version was awful.

Maybe Konami should give the ISS boys another go and run with two games for a short time. There was a time when Perfect Striker (ISS) was way above the Winning Eleven series.

Failing that I just hope Seabass doesn't go for evolution again on the PS3, Fifa's libero grande mode may induce me to buy a fifa since 1995.



Razzajazz
01/06/07 @ 14:43
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@rosler28

Toltally agree with you! ISS 64 was fantastic! I really do miss the ISS series, although I do love Pro Evo.
jimbob101
01/06/07 @ 14:46
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Same goal, much better commentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRrlm5ewjoo

Mancini, Mancini, Mancini, Mancini, Mancini, Mancini, Mancini, Mancini
joeking
01/06/07 @ 15:21
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Personally, I would love nothing more than for Fifa 08 to wipe the floor with PES7, and am behind EA in their quest to make it so, for obvious reasons. I am a football fan. I want those official kits, stadia, teams, competitions, players, etc. I want the TV presentation, and the Sky Sports style commentary. I want the superior online functionality. Basically, I want the 'authentic' Fifa experience, for the same reasons I enjoy Forza and Flight Simulator's car and aeroplane porn respectively. It trumps Pro Evo in almost every regard....save for the on-pitch gameplay. If EA could just sort this 'minor' flaw out, I could drop Pro Evo like a hot potato once and for all.
Muzakjunkie
01/06/07 @ 15:47
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Joeking, funny really as I see it the current problem is EA having carte blanche with the licence, if PES could get an improved licence (which apparently they are speaking to EA about) and ramp up the presentation, (which would be a peice of p!ss, but definately needs doing) Then job would be a good one.
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joeking
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Oh, I agree. Definitely. Problem is, it's far more likely* that EA can improve their gameplay, than it is for Konami to up the authenticity and presentation of the Pro Evo games, due to all manner of licensing issues and shenanigans.

*assuming they have the required development talent and will-to-succeed - which I doubt...
Muzakjunkie
01/06/07 @ 15:58
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Joeking - Yeah I see what your saying, I believe that the PES team is a very strong team though, and genuinely want to create good football games. If they address the presentation on PES 7 I think I can handle typing in names again. (obviously I would like to see fully licensed kits, teams, stadia etc)

As it stand its the only way I get Nottingham Forest in the game anyway :)
Muzakjunkie
01/06/07 @ 15:59
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On another note I look forward to the next FIFA, and will certainly be keeping a close eye on its development, which in all fairness speaks volumes as for a good few years I wouldnt touch the game with a barge poll.
TC
01/06/07 @ 17:00
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Sound all very nice but Pro Evo has been doing this for a long time.
I like the sound of the "Pro" thing thought, and PES 7 needs a big jump - 5 to 6 was barely noticable.
Furbs
01/06/07 @ 18:23
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Wow, joe/al is repeating EVERYTHING he said last year :)

Please al, if EA can put in the effort to at least get a new gimmick every year, can you?
gaselite
01/06/07 @ 21:22
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or, for the sake of mentioning it, Lee Dixon's hilarious own-goal lob of David Seaman

prick

"I don't know if you remember Henry scored against Liverpool, he took on about four players or something and got into the box and slid it," says Paterson. Yes, I do remember that, funnily enough. It rings some bells.


aaahhhh, that's better.

In all seriousness though, it really does sound fantastic. I chose PES6 over FIFA, for all its 360 shortcomings PES6 was still a great game but I found myself wanting to like FIFA 07 because of some of the positive steps the series has taken. They seem to be taking it further but I just couldn't acclimatise from the perfectly tuned functional fluency of the PES engine to the newish, testing the waters FIFA 07 engine (and it seemed even worse a few months later when I played the updated version in the Champs League game). Some of the concepts discussed here really do sound brilliant though and I look forward to playing it.
The Bodybuilder
01/06/07 @ 22:25
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>"which apparently they are speaking to EA about"

HAHAHAHAHA

Konami: "Can we use the license. purty pleaaaase?"
prawnking
01/06/07 @ 22:38
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it is fifa it will still be overhyped shit. I will still go out on the friday to buy in the hope it isn't and then take it back saturday

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