Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Comments by Tom Bramwell

Haven't bought a footy game in a while, so i'll be picking this up for my 360

like the beano and the dandy annuals :D every year!

Huzzah. Bring me football, and make it good.

YaY First!

Me thinks the reason the Xbox live modes are still under wraps is because we're going to get the same as PES5. No online leagues, No Tournaments and head to head matches only.

EDIT: damn in the time it took me to type 2 lines!

Horray - Pro Evo on the 360. Finally a decent game to play offline multiplayer.

Wow it's that time already.

Playing Pro Evo for 12 months didn't realise it was this time of year already. :D

So when's the Xbox 360 demo of PES 6 out again?

Anyone who played PES6 on the PS2 and then on the 360 (I played it in Leipzig) saw it's a completely different game with a greatly changed feel and pace. This preview does nothing to highlight that - in fact, it gives the feeling that it's basically the same game on the 360 as on the PS2 with different graphics. This is simply not true.

Cristiano Ronaldo find it easier to beat players, but harder to remain upright against strong centre-backs

Cristiano Ronaldo finds it hard to remain upright against a blade of grass.

ea has copied everything from pro evolution soccer and made it into their fifa football game. fifa 2007 is a near exact copy of pes and makes it best overall package. this is my thought personally but maybe konami should sue??

Is Widescreen only on the 360 then? Not even PC?

Does anyone know if pes6 still have only eight way direction imput? Imo thats the only advantage that fifa has over pes.

Is there a crowd in Wide mode on the PS2?

Are volleys any easier? I think volleys less than 30m out were perfect in PES 5, but from farther out they are far too likely to hit the post and bounce away, almost like it's fixed. I had a 46m Super Cancel volley by S.Reid of Blackburn hit the crossbar last night and I'm gonna be depressed about that one for a while.

Rumours are afoot that the German teams are out entirely, apart from the licensed Bayern Munich.

sajtion, on what grounds could they possibly sue? They're both trying to make a football game as close to football as possible, and neither is using the other one's code. Of course there are going to be many close similarities. FIFA is less of a Pro Evo rip-off than Saints Row was, or Top Spin was. It's not like it's Grid Wars territory.

this made me grin from ear to ear

some things never change (like the antiquated throw-ins and corner systems)

Why the hell have they STILL not fixed the throw-ins?

Anyone who played PES6 on the PS2 and then on the 360 (I played it in Leipzig) saw it's a completely different game with a greatly changed feel and pace. This preview does nothing to highlight that - in fact, it gives the feeling that it's basically the same game on the 360 as on the PS2 with different graphics. This is simply not true.

Can you give examples?

Making all the right noises.

The pressing fouls would be a big relief, it annoyed me no end when I started playing and even now I still keep giving away free kicks waaaay to often.

I don't watch football, I don't play football, but I love football games. Am I the only one that's like that?

actually the grin might be from the paint fumes here

but I'm still looking forward to putting this in my 360 very much! is SC: DA coming out the same day?

@yellowtruck

I guess I'm the same. You see, I like playing FPS games but I'm somewhat reticent to the idea of picking up a real bag o' guns and going on a rampage.

@Eighthours:
"Can you give examples?"

Indeed. The collision detection between players is much improved due to a much greater number of animations. The pace is very much different - slower, more thoughtful. I've played the thing for 3 matches (waited in line like crazy) and it's definitely a different beast than PES6. There much more attention given to tactics. In short, in plays (even?) more like real football, much moreso than PES5 and PES6 (demo), and especially moreso than Winning Eleven 10 which was a fast arcade travesty.

The scorers on the pause menu is something, but I don't suppose there's any chance they've added replays on demand after the ball has gone out of play? I'm sure it's built deeply into the code to dump it from the memory as soon as the ball goes out, but even a few seconds before the scene changes would be enough. How hard can it be?

That said, I can't wait to play the new one. Will be preordering asap.

Here's a question for all you Pro Evo advocates; if FIFA 2008 was somehow better than Konami's next effort, how many of you could swallow your pride and switch? I, for one, am not sure that I could...

I don't think I could ever switch because I have spent too long building up PES skills that I don't want to go to waste and I really can't be bothered learning a new game. I have some PES 5 videos here if anyone's interested. The three "Beauty of the beasts" vids are probably my best stuff.

http://hosted.filefront.com/Feanor5503

"Indeed. The collision detection between players is much improved due to a much greater number of animations. The pace is very much different - slower, more thoughtful. I've played the thing for 3 matches (waited in line like crazy) and it's definitely a different beast than PES6. There much more attention given to tactics. In short, in plays (even?) more like real football, much moreso than PES5 and PES6 (demo), and especially moreso than Winning Eleven 10 which was a fast arcade travesty."

this sounds awesome. if you're right then it makes me feel better about buying what I thought was just going to be a spit and polish port

First.

@ Pachinko

Glad to hear you say that. It's often hard to read a preview of a forthcoming PES and totally trust that the author is coming from the same perspective as yourself. I know Winning Eleven is briefly mentioned in the preview, but when I see "...we were happily playing PES5 until a few weeks ago" towards the end of the article, I can't relate to it in the same way. Winning Eleven 10 was released on the 27th of April, that's 6 months worth of playing time it's received prior to PES6's arrival, so the author is clearly not coming from the same angle as those who import the game if he's mentioning PES5 being the favourite just weeks previously. I appreciate the PAL version is the one most people will have played last, but for Winning Eleven fans it's the differences from that edition that they want to know about.

I also agree that WE10 was far more arcadey than PES5, which let's face it didn't allow for nearly as much freedom of movement and expression in your play. It's good to hear it's been tightened up, and slown down a bit. It's also good to hear that it plays differently from the PS2 version, even if every video I've seen suggests next to no new animations from Winning Eleven 10...

Yes. Cannot. Wait.

Did anyone read the Shingo "Seabass" interview that was online today?
He talked Robbie Fowler being a player he really liked. Shame he didn't get the graphics team to sort out his likeness then!!!

Unfortunately, every year we get an interview from Seabass and every year he reels off the same "We didn't do that for this year, but it's one of the things we would like to do eventually" line.

@BlackCelebration:

No it wasn't a travesty, in fact many elements were better than PES5, but it's also got a lot of problems in that it's too attack-biased.

I suppose the point is best illustrated by the fact that we were happily playing PES5 until a few weeks ago

I wasn't, I stopped playing PES5 when it turned out to be a small square on a big wide HD screen.

Letting Tom review PES6 will be like allowing someone to be on the panel of a beauty contest when their daughter is a contestant. :)

"Winning Eleven 10 which was a fast arcade travesty"

Isn't winning eleven supposed to be very similar to pro evo? Having said that i hope that pro evo 6 builds on it, because if anyone has played (or downloaded it ;P) you will see what a great game of footie WE10 is.

EDIT: infact looking at the videos of Pro Evo 6 the animations looks exactly the same.

The xbox yde X06 vid

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_3637_en.html


makes it seem like a faster arcadey verison of pes5. I disliked pes5 at first, but after extended play the slower, realistic change proved to be really good. Even the pressing fouls sensitivity at least made you time your tackles with more care.

Obviously it's only until we play it and spend time with it that the changes become apparent, but the vid is still a bit underwhelming.

I agree with the earlier comment about Fifa 07 360,

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_3635_en.html


it looks a blatant pes lift. The animations are similar, even player sizes. They've also got the same advantage sign on the top right, stuff like that. They've pesified it, rather than making their own unique interpretation of football.

The changes mentioned make me a very happy bunny but I still can't help feeling disappointed that the throw ins are still utterly terrible. The free kicks better not be broken still FFS!

Roll on the 27th tho! Can't fucking wait.

LOL. Everthing sid nice said has come true in this story. Nice one sid ;)

I never understood the whole hub-ub over PES5. In fact, it was quite ironic. For years, snobby PES fans have slagged off Fifa for not being hardcore enough. And then as soon as PES slows the game down, and gets more physical, loads of PES fans show their true hypocritical colours. PES5 was the greatest, and most realistic in the series. I only hope 6 can do its legacy justice.

About PES6 on the 360 vs. PES6 on PS2/XB1/PC: I played both versions and they feel very different. It is possible that since Leipzig they changed a lot. But it's a very slim chance. And, to be honest - why would they? It's great they can make two versions of the same game - a 'normal' one on old hadrware and an improved one on a more powerful machine.

About WE10 being fast and arcadey: I'm sorry, but it's hard to miss. Dribbling was way too powerful, better players could zip past defenders who were left in the dust (I'm talking Adriano vs. Terry here, not Adrian vs. Some Poor Schmuck From Bundeslinga 2) ... It's a cool game for those who like that sort of stuff, but I didn't like it at all since I prefer a slower, more tactical game of footy. That's why I'm so excited about PES6 on the 360.

About FIFA vs. PES: this year it's a much closer call, which is definitely good. Yes FIFA has been PESified, but it retains its own feel. Of course, we've yet to see how it stacks up against PES6, not PES5 ...

"Letting Tom review PES6 will be like allowing someone to be on the panel of a beauty contest when their daughter is a contestant. :)"

Ha-ha, Brilliant. :o)

any news on how many lower english league teams are in it? Championship and Div 1 I'm most interested in and i havent played a pro evo since 4 and not sure back them what was in it

"I wasn't, I stopped playing PES5 when it turned out to be a small square on a big wide HD screen."

just turn the resolution down to 480p, normal screen setting (not wide) and voila! full screen(ish)

PES6 & Xbox 360.
Finally the chance to update the database through user created content? You know it makes sense, Seabass. Make it happen!
(Even though I'm sure it will not happen anytime soon)

And for the 3rd version in a row the Master League is the same diluted experience, to have gameplay so good paired with such an abysmal "career" mode is a travesty, the career mode and presentation of Fifa 06 is light years beyond PES. Fifa's gameplay may be 7/10 to PES' 9/10 but as someone who only plays single player Fifa's 9/10 career mode puts it ahead this year.

PES5 was the greatest, and most realistic in the series. I only hope 6 can do its legacy justice

+1

I'd love to know what's in the online mode this year for PS2...

@Placebo

Why is the Master League so abysmal?

I'll happily give it 10/10 and I haven't played it yet :-)

If Tom doesn't review PES 6, he'll have to review FIFA and that could only end with a 500 comment thread. :)

@Steroyd

Lack of teams, lack of leagues, lack of functions, no job changing or sacking, no press or fan feedback or anything, there's just very limited longevity or fun involved in the master league.

With Fifa07 for example, I can manage my favourite team Sheffield Wednesday, compete in both cups, get promotion from the championship, qualify for Europe, or of course as in real life do really badly and get relegated to Division 1 ;)

That sounds more like the liscence than the actual Master League.

I've never particularly thought of the Master League like that. In my mind, it's always been about building yourself a kickass 'dream team' to then use in exhibitions, multi-player matches, etc.

The thing i like with Master league is that when you get so many PES points you can customise he league to create you're own Champions League.... League, which is uber tough on 5 star let alone the forbidden 6 star.

Master League is also like a RPG in ways where you can raise the stats of you're characters to create God Like characters who have been on steroids love playing hyped up stated team against my cousins hyped stated up team.

"With Fifa07 for example, I can manage my favourite team Sheffield Wednesday, compete in both cups, get promotion from the championship, qualify for Europe, or of course as in real life do really badly and get relegated to Division 1 ;) " - Placebo

Not in FIFA 07 on the 360 you can't as EA didn't have the time to include all 27 leagues from the last-gen versions. The 360 version has just 6 leagues, the top ones from six countries in Europe including the Premiership and sadly no Championship, no Division 1 and no Division 2.

Otherwise I'd still agree with you that FIFA's Career mode is far better than Pro Evo's Master League and as a solo player that is the reason I now only buy FIFA whereas I used to buy both upto FIFA 2005/PES 4.