Gran Turismo HD Comments by Tom Bramwell

Just enough time to save for that monster 1080p screen then ;)

This is not going to be that ground breaking in terms of graphics but as long as it plays half as good as the others it should be fine.

^^^^ YES! \o/

Thank god they didn't make the mistake of calling GTHD the next GT. \o/

At least some journo's are on the ball. :)

Edit - though the pics are still grouped together. :(

meh

They have a helluva way to go before this game is decent; and I'm not talking about the piss-poor visuals. Decent AI - scratch that - any AI at all will do, damage modelling, online play and pretty much all the reasons that make Forza the superior sim to play.

They should ditch the 1080p, too. No one will be able to utilise that anytime soon, they will be better off spending the resources on giving their renderer a more next gen update, because as it stands GTHD is looking decidedly poor to be a 'real next gen' game.

So next generation graphic is an old engine output to Hi-res. Why didn't they just show pong in HD?

Good LORD. This game couldn't be more boring if it TRIED.

"Why didn't they just show pong in HD? "

Rockstar got there first. ;)

Needs more in-car views.

Don't know if this is old news but here goes.

Looks like CryEngine 2 is destined for PS3.

[url]http://www.crytek.de/inside_crytek/item.php?id=42&s=job
s&pID=4[/url]

I'd rather 1080p TOCA2 than 1080p GT4, Gran Turismo is at its best when no other cars are on the circuit cause when they arrive the game starts to unravel, the sense of realism is spoiled by useless AI and dire physics.

Way back when Polyphony stated there was no damage model in GT cause the car companies wouldnt licence to people who were going to crash them. Well now with a dozen other games doing everything from crashing them to blowing them up to creaming pedestrians with them it just doesnt ring true.

They're going for simulation, well thats what I want and dammit if I roll my imprezza on a rally stage I want the wheels to fly off and the onlookers to run in fear as the car flips violently into a tree.

re: the simple steps taken here bade well and put PGR3's well-intentioned but ultimately lifeless spectators to shame.

Err, all PGR3s spectators are 3D models rather than cardboard cutouts, and they move about and take photos - and if you hit the barrier near them they all back away going "woah"! Hardly lifeless.

Maybe they should think of finishing the last game first before moving on to this.

I wonder what the chances of a) seeing this any time in the next two years b) getting a full game this time c) a bit of AI would be an idea d) some damage modeling, are?

It is rather shiny though.

Tech demos are Sooooooooooooo different to actual games, the physics, AI, input and processing all take up so much processor power.

It'll be the normal Sony overpromise, under deliver.

HOORAY I CAN PLAY A TEN YEAR OLD GAME THAT'S EXACTLY THE SAME ONLY IN HI-REZ AND I GET TO PAY 10,000 DOLLARS ON TECH FOR THE PRIVILEGE

All I want do know is...does it have Real Time Gear Change for Massive Acceleration?

Mixing bikes with sportscars would be fantastic, especially if this carries across all racing disciplines - road, track, rally, etc. - perhaps with different routes through each course depending on what kind of vehicle you're using. For example, when rallying cars and bikes together, the main track (for the cars) might circumvent a hill in the middle of the course, whilst 'crossers would be able to charge up and over the thing on a dirt track.

It has the potential to be really exciting, so I hope Sony and Polyphony are able to realise this (assuming mixed car/bike racing is the plan). If they do, GT-HD will be enough to give the PS3 serious cotention for that most covetted shelf in my TV cabinet.

Why "First Impressions" of a tech demo ?

Gran Turismo HD is ONLY a (playable) tech demo made for E3 and not an actual game...

The videos I saw looked great, GT4 was a great looking game, and this looked understandably sharper. I imagine when they make a real game it will look stunning.

"Indeed, the biggest change beyond graphics was felt - or not - with the loss of rumble, which was definitely peculiar after so much vibration in past GTs"

Interesting....

"So next generation graphic is an old engine output to Hi-res. Why didn't they just show pong in HD? "

Well, I thought that the Jap version of GT4 outputted in 720p @ 60fps anyway? So for now at least, all the extra horsepower of the PS3 is just taking it up to 1080p which most of us wont ever get a chance to use anyway.

It'll be interesting to see what it looks like when it's actually running on a PS3, rather than a PC.

"Ultimately, how that relates to this will be more telling than how this demo went down with the E3 cynics."

Wow, where are we going to find some E3 cynics? :P

I must admit that the addition of bikes does have me interested.

It is just the backdrop to the race, but the simple steps taken here bade well and put PGR3's well-intentioned but ultimately lifeless spectators to shame.

Eurogamer, you did notice that most of the crowd in the Grand Canyon track was actually card board cutouts?

@Hansi320

So CryEngine 2 is destined for PS3? All that site says is that CryTek develop games for PC and next gen consoles. Nothing specific to the PS3 or the 360.

They have already said that they have no plans for Crisis, the game based on CryEngine 2, to appear on any console at this stage. Though normally such things are followed a month or so later by an anouncement of the exact oposite.

Anyway if they do take the console plunge it will be PS3 and 360 unless MS or Sony bung them a big bag of money.

@bad

Those 'PCs' are commonly known as a devkits. Just like the Apple G5's MS used to demo XBox 360 games at E3'05. But the Inquirer wouldn't know a devkit from a box of chocolates...

If I have to start the next GT with a Fiat Uno I'll be taking it straight back to the shop.

2nd hand car market FTW! :D

Sony still can't give us a true in car view and this is the 5th installment. I guess that means the same rubbish AI then, no thanks.

Ok folks nothing to see here move along. :P

Great. So now it can be dull in HD too.

/sticks in PGR3

Rodster: This isn't the 5th installment. This is a Tech Demo and it was a big mistake to show it.
bad: Porting a PS2 game to PC is hardly easier than porting it to PS3.

I remember being gobsmacked that Sony chose to demo Gran Turismo HD for over 20 minutes at E3. It was a big mistake as it was so boring to watch I was practically falling asleep. It showed that Sony were more concerned with wowing people with technical specs (i.e. 1080p) than actual gameplay itself.

Surely Polyphony Digital could have knocked up a PROPER PS3 demo of Gran Turismo 5, seeing as they showed the trailer for the game at last year's E3...

"It'll be interesting to see what it looks like when it's actually running on a PS3, rather than a PC. "

BS... it was running on a PS3 dev. kit which may look (to some people) like a PC.

I'm not a graphics whore by any stretch of the imagination, but at least in the still shots, GT HD is looking a bit crap really. Certainly nothing I'm looking forward to. Like, I wouldn't ever compare it to Test Drive Unlimited or something else along those lines.

Well, there's still plenty of time to make it work.

jlaakso - I think you might want to read the article - it's not a game, it's a tech demo - it'll never work. let it go, put it from your mind. it's for the best.

@jlaakso: That's because it was using GT4 assets. IMHO, GT4 running on the humble PS2 still looks better than 95% of racing games out there, so it will be a disappointment if GT HD falls below expectations.

Much more than graphics, though, GT needs better AI and damage modeling. Without both it's going nowhere fast. Those are big words, coming from a certified GT junkie ;-)

As much as i adore the GT franchise, i have to admit that my interest inthe game will lie with GT4. I have played it since the first jap release and all the way the thing that i have always been impressed with is the car modellng, replays and set-ups. But then i gave Forza a go. and although i did not like it as much as GT in terms of car modelling, front end presentation, replays (which by the way are really dire) but the sense of speed is quite good, the most amazing thing i encountered was the Suggested line. Now this feature, i feel needs to be implemented in all racing games. other features i did enjoy was the telemetry on suspension, tyre wear, torque whish Gt does not offer. But the best thing about Forza was the AI. They are clever to the point where if you are used the the bland AI that is GT, then this is like a breath of fresh air. It is in these areas that GT needs to focus on. If Forza took the replays off of GT then I think the game that would take me onto the next gen would be FM. Oh and the fact that Forza should have a steering wheel identical to performance like the Logitech Dual Force Pro. If PD do not implement crash damage, mechanical damage, envioronmental effects, surrounding details.. inother words making the game world just like the real world than it can be truly said that PD have not been listening to gamers. not just covering up and saying that they were not allowed to do something due to licensing regs or whatever else they can BS with. I have seen forza2 screens and it looks mighty impressive. I hope that i have not bored anyone with my long comments but, if no one at PD/SONY do not improve on a game which fundamentally has not changed since 1997 than they have lost a long time lover of the game.

If they ever manage to add online to a GT game that would make a big difference - certainly solve the problem of the completely boring AI. But the series is starting to feel very very stale. GT4 too often feels monotonous - and that's to do with design decisions primarily. Making you drive dull cars for certain events etc. I drive dull cars every day of my life - I don't want to do it in a game too.

GT should be showing off nextgen graphics, AI, damage, and collision.

hi-res HD should be core technology and not a marketing campaign.

And it's still only a tech demo...

Dont forget Sony havent told us we can start watching HD yet. ;)

/Sits looking at his Sky HD box wondering when PH will let me turn it on.

Am I right in my understanding this is the SAME game as previous GT but with prettier graphics?!?

And people slag off nintendo for overuse of the same ip!!!??

@Smelly No you are not right, though I suspect you know that already. It is a tech demo, not a game.

As for Nintendo IP overuse. The criticism applies to shoehorning Mario into every tossing game, not simply subsequent releases of the same game.

Looks like all Xbox fans are pissed that it runs at 1080p...something the 360 is unable to do.

Nope, I think all the games fans are annoyed that none of the inherent problems with GT (no damage, poor AI) have not been addressed but.... it looks nicer :)

@Smelly: This is only the FIFTH instalment in the series (as opposed to 76th), and each and every one has offered a wide variety of cars and tracks. GT claims nothing more than providing you a lot of cars and tracks to play with - it certainly doesn't claim to re-invent gaming. Graphics are what make a driving game, and enjoying prettier graphics is a natural human trait. So I fail to see the problem here, and above all, what ANY of this has to do with Ninty.

DrDam didnt know that! Soz!

@gth : Come off it.. Is it REALLY that important?

I still have yet to see the point of hidef for normal tv, i've never watched eastenders and wanted to see pat butchers earrings in higher details. And never hve i thought that my tv programs looked pixelated (a bit drunk maybe, not pixelated).

But yet, i DO see games and think they look pixelated. Maybe we need to concentrate on getting games running well in low def before moving over to new tech just because we can?

""Why didn't they just show pong in HD? "

Rockstar got there first. ;)"

LOL.

Im almost affraid to ask, but is there even a small chance that EG will give GoW impressions? DONT HIT ME!

/runs for the hills

Graphics are what make a driving game, and enjoying prettier graphics is a natural human trait.

WTF!?!? Erm, I think you need to replace the word "human" with "geek" there.