DRIV3R

We get our hands on the most eagerly awaited title of the summer... (Check out our exclusive shots too!)

Driv3r is the most important videogame launch ever. Never before has an entire company's fate rested so heavily on the release of one product, but Reflection's long-overdue sequel is that kind of game, and Atari is doubtlessly slightly peeved that in the last three years it has had to watch from the sidelines while Rockstar, Sony and even Activision have cleaned up in mission-based driving stakes. All that pent up aggression and realisation that "we could be doing that!" has resulted in one of the most concerted marketing campaigns ever attempted for a videogame - and we're not even in the launch month as we scribe!

But just how does a hit-hungry publisher top the 12 million combined sales of the previous two titles, and compete with the Grand Theft Alsos that seem to effortlessly fly off the shelves? For a start you build awareness to a fever pitch, and we're now at the sharp end of almost 18 months of drip feeding information. But despite a massive amount of coverage, it's been all about the cars 'n stars: there's been no real opportunity to deliver playable impressions, given that the game's public debut back in February was so unfinished it was impossible to tell one way or the other.

Enter the marketing spend

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We had our concerns back then that the game would make its June release window, but this week we actually got our grubby mitts on some playable, nigh on finished Xbox code stamped promisingly with 'May' on the disk. We say 'promisingly' because the game's due to hit the high street shelves on June 21st, and in our experience the game ought to be very close to its finished quality. With this in mind it's quite a responsibility being tasked with offering constructive comments on a game with such a mighty amount riding on it, and an unreasonable level of expectation heaped upon its padded shoulders. It is, after all, only a game - just one that happens to have a 10 million sales target attached to it. Forget Enter The Matrix's piddling four million target - this is the real deal. Make or break time: 10 million - or over a million in the UK alone.

You can almost feel the glare of Atari execs over your shoulder as you speed around the sunny streets of Miami, wind down the ornate Nice coastline or the urban chaos of Istanbul. Make no mistake, this is the most important game the company has ever released and it needs it to be a benchmark product; one to rub shoulders with GTA in every sense. Critically it needs to live up to expectations as much as its commercial promise, because happy critics and frenzied word of mouth will translate to the kind of kind of grossing dollars that would dwarf most action blockbusters in the movie theatres. And save Atari in the process. Feel the pressure.

Once again you fill the designer shoes of Tanner, an undercover cop who does "whatever it takes to bring the bad guys down". In a loose sense, this means the typical run and gun of any modern action adventure combined with madcap car chases. According to Reflections supreme Martin Edmondson, the game is weighted roughly 70-30 in favour of car chases, and that's a good thing for several reasons, which we'll get to in a moment.

Miami Nice

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Set across 30-odd missions in the three highly detailed cities of Miami, Nice and Istanbul, the Undercover mode is where you'll spend most of your time with the game. Kicking off with a typically dramatic and stylish cut-scene in Istanbul, a street shootout between a posse of shade-wearing uber criminals results in someone - we don't know who at that stage - being gunned down and rushed to an emergency ward amid scenes of frantic medical staff frantically trying to save the man's life. But it's too late - a flat lining EMG machine heralds Driv3r's beginning as it flashes back to six months previously, where as Tanner you're tasked with heading to the Miami police HQ for your first assignment of the game.

Tanner's abode is typically salubrious - an almost entirely white-themed interior suggests our man wipes his feet before he comes home - or more likely has a downtrodden cleaner that come as standard issue in middle class American homes, but she's nowhere to be seen. His low security house features the latest in automatic sliding doors, and the patio exit slides open giving you a chance to go for a quick dip in your swimming pool fully clothed - entirely pointlessly, of course, but Tanner has a mean front crawl action, and is entirely waterproof as well, it seems.

Jumping into the nearest automobile gets us straight into what the Driver series does best - screeching around the streets like a raving madman on the run from the law. For serial bank robbery, multiple felony and undoubtedly mass murder. All in the line of duty, you understand. The handling is almost exactly how veterans of the series will remember it - all spongy, reactive and slidey as hell, giving us every opportunity to throw whatever vehicle we're in control of around bends for fun. It's a world away from The Getaway's stiff model, and way more extreme than GTA ever manages, and the way the cars wobble and react to your steering wheel molestation insanity is as beautiful as you could reasonably hope it to be. After Stuntman, it feels so good to be free of the overly precise shackles that that flawed gem imposed upon the player, and anyone who loves pure driving will have a fantastic time in Driv3r just hurling themselves around the often beautiful cityscapes and trying to cause utter mayhem.

Perfect destruction

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The damage modelling once again builds upon what Reflections have been perfecting ever since the heady days of Destruction Derby, and in terms of accurately replicating the impact of crunching your car at high velocity, it's hard to think of another game that does it as convincingly. Sure, Burnout 3 beats it for sheer eye-popping shock value, but for real-world practicality Drive3r nails the balance between making it look spectacular enough to excite, and actually keeping it within the realms of playability.

It's also wonderful to appreciate that all your bumps and bruises have physical implications. For example, you'll note that enemies are smart enough to try and shoot out your tyres, and if successful you'll be sparking around the highways on your wheel rims desperately trying to find another vehicle to highjack while trying to avoid the onrushing attentions of your aggressor. The chances are they'll be trying their level best to run you over, but the game makes it possible to shoot them through the windshield, pull their limp bodies onto the tarmac and screech off in your aggressor's vehicle. Either that or you can shoot up their ride, blow out the tyres, riddle the bodywork in bullet holes or maybe force them into the water, where they'll attempt to get out of the car and bob around in the water still trying to seek vengeance.

And yes, there are motorbikes in it! Typically you can simply bash off a passing rider or pinch one lying around exactly as you would in GTA. The ride works in more or less the same way too, allowing you to pull back and wheelie your way around the city, or pull 360s if you really feel that way inclined. Reflections has made the whole free ride process more entertaining in allowing you to dynamically move the camera around Tanner at any point, as well as including a Thrill Cam, which switches to a dramatic slo-mo view of the action from a typically exciting viewpoint that really shows off just how well implemented the driving physics really are, giving you a chance to appreciate the dynamic suspension, as well as the intricate way that objects crumple, the fantastic explosions and a whole world of minute detail that you could write an entire thesis on. Just to see it action, it's clear how much talent there is at Reflections when it come to all things driving-related.

Credible family fun

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But as we all know, there's a lot more to Driv3r than simply caning it around the streets having fun. There's an appreciable amount of effort that has gone into ensuring that the game has a structure and a cinematic narrative to hold the whole experience together. Every mission is interspersed with lavish and moody cut-scenes, voiced by Hollywood names, notably Michael Madsen, Mickey Rourke and even wiry smoke dried voice of living dead rock star Iggy Pop of all people. It all helps, but don't expect the wry delivery of Vice City or the attempted shock factor of The Getaway. Driv3r is fairly family safe entertainment, involving gravely voiced hard men and plenty of double-crossing intrigue to get your head around. Fortunately, any mission can be replayed once it's unlocked, and likewise all the cut-scenes can be manually watched again at your leisure if the plot's all becoming a little confusing. Both additions are definitely a welcome, and Rockstar could learn a thing or two in that particular department.

Although the vehicle-based activity is benchmark in terms of feel and technical quality, the first impression of Miami is one of slight disappointment. This isn't what we were expecting from those frankly incredible screenshots that leaked out at the beginning of last year. At this stage we'd expect the technical quality to be unchanged from this build to the final gold master, and it's unavoidable to note some rather unattractive pop-up issues throughout, with a technique that draws flat buildings in the distance then 'pops' the textures on top much later than you'd expect. Sometimes when you're driving around with a distant view of the city, most of the building are evidently no more than flat grey blocks, and much of the time Driv3r can look quite vanilla as a result. Some of the interiors are a big improvement, however, with some intricate texturing adding greatly to the general atmosphere, and when you have a spin around Nice it's hard to believe it's the same game sometimes, with some incredibly impressive views and a degree of design care that really makes the most of the engine's capabilities.

The truth is, through, the flatness of Miami really does Driv3r little favours, because it's not an engine that's really flattered by having to cope with massive draw distances. The windy hills of Nice are a totally different matter, though, and it's surprising Reflections didn't try and make sure the game looks at its best at all times, rather than just now and then.

Rebel Strike syndrome

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As we've discussed, Reflections is one of the top driving specialists in the world. No doubt about it. It isn't, however, the master of third-person action games. It isn't even remotely renowned for third-person action, for that matter, so it probably shouldn't come as a massive surprise that any time you're engaging in these sections, you're instantly jarred, nay shocked and literally staggered by the realisation that they're not very enjoyable at all. Not just 'not very enjoyable' but actually a dreadful, tedious mess - so much so that we're having a great deal of trouble comprehending how, after three and a half years of development, they can possibly be in this state with a matter of a couple of weeks of development left to go. Did someone mention a dark angel?

Cor, blimey. To date, we've played roughly a third of Driv3r's single-player missions for the purposes of this hands-on, or roughly five hours, and while we don't in any way want to prematurely prejudge an unfinished product, we have no choice but to raise a whole catalogue of concerns over the controls, the cameras, and the enemy AI. We'd have honestly played more, but we didn't want to spoil it for ourselves. It'd be like doing a taste test on a cake just before it's ready. But this isn't, like, halfway through baking, here, this is with weeks to go. We want to cry. Seriously.

The recriminations start here

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From the top, the controls are hampered immediately by an inability to turn or aim quickly - the camera bizarrely restricts how far up or down you're allowed to look to the extent that trying to shoot enemy from above or below is way too hit and miss, literally. Also, the lack of a lock on or ability to move the reticule with speed or precision means you end up strafing your target as opposed to actually aiming. The camera, meanwhile, makes things rather more difficult than they should be, and tends to lurch into an over the shoulder viewpoint indoors when you don't want or need it, while the enemy AI at this stage is almost entirely absent - with the brainless drones shrieking in comic fashion if you so much as open a door (yeah, like you knew I was coming) and then mostly stand rooted to the spot until despatched - with the occasional attempt to run to another pre-scripted spot or strafing. We have to assume that this will be fixed for the final version, but if it isn't the recriminations will be absolutely terrifying.

We're hesitant to be too quick to criticise elements of the game which may well come together at the last minute. It would be irresponsible and misleading to do so, but for Driv3r to be a critical success and fulfil its evidently massive commercial potential, Reflections categorically cannot afford to release the game with the third-person action elements in the state that they are in in this current build. Put simply, the entire third-person control system feels sluggish, the combat/shooting is currently nowhere near the standard it needs to be, and the enemy behaviour is, to put it in the most diplomatic terms possible, just not ready yet. We do have a reserve of faith, though, and are prepared to accept that sufficient tweaks and last minute polishing could dramatically bring it up to standard. At our most pessimistic, however, we fear that expecting a driving game specialist such as Reflections to make a benchmark third-person section in the game is akin to expecting Id to make a good RTS game.

Sometimes you've got to hold your hands up and stick to what you're best at, and it wouldn't exactly be controversial to suggest that attempting to compete with the Grand Theft Alsos with their third-person action elements hasn't been the smartest move Reflections has ever made - especially when the actual driving model is so, so good, and some of the technology in the game so impressive. But like we said, we're only a third of the way through an unfinished game, so we'll have to keep our fingers crossed and pray that the finished article can somehow pull it out of the bag. We're truly hoping beyond hope that this is the case, because as things stand there can be no room for failure from the most important title Atari/Infogrames has ever released. In summary: Reflections and Atari simply owe it to everyone involved to not release this game until it's ready.

Wanting to forget

Although we were repeatedly (and wisely) warned by Atari to consider that the game is still not representative of its final quality, and urged us to judge it fairly on that basis, right now, the harsh truth is nobody on Earth knows precisely what that final quality benchmark is supposed to be. Driv3r is so far away from being releasable in a catalogue of serious and fundamental ways that make us question how on earth the game will have all its problems sorted out by its June 21st release date.

To our minds, as long-term fans of the series that genuinely care about its quality and the reputation of Reflections, the sooner these facts are brought to people's attention, the more likely something will be done about it, because releasing it in an unpolished state would be a crime of Angel Of Darkness proportions - and Atari really doesn't want that on its hands, does it? For the sake of the brand, the developer, the publisher and the fans, the development of Driv3r needs a 'done when it's done' policy urgently introduced, not a shareholder-friendly deadline that will have massive repercussions if the game comes out and everyone slams it (apart from the good old official mags, of course - bless 'em). Driv3r deserves to be one of the best of the year - scratch that, of its generation. The bottom line is that there's a lot of hard work to be done before it can manage that - but it can be done. Make it happen Reflections. Please.

Comments (86) Latest comment 8 years ago

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  • Tabasco #1 8 years ago

    /Waits for the monkeys to appear/
    This is going to hurt 'em bad guys! :o)
    Edited by 1 at 28/05/04 @ 15:44
  • UncleLou #2 8 years ago

    Excellent article, Kristan!

    I sooo wish they would have made a pure driving game...
  • ssuellid #3 8 years ago

    So its looking OK as far as the driving bits go - except for the texture pop up but the 3rd person bits have dodgy camera, AI and controls?

    Does seem like a lot needs doing in quite a short amount of time. I hope they manage it - or delay for a short period to sort it out.
  • krudster #4 8 years ago

    I don't think the quarterly targets really give them much room for slipping it further. If it does slip, that's a huge burden for Atari to bear - the shareholders will go crazy.
  • mentat #5 8 years ago

    Heh! Well that's a good enough reason to ship a half finished game!
  • Blerk #6 8 years ago

    I get the horrible feeling that this is going to be cack.... it's got a whiff of 'Angel of Darkness' about it.
  • Stevas mkII #7 8 years ago

    Should I make myself comfortable here - you know, for the impending backlash?
  • pjmaybe #8 8 years ago

    Hrmmm.

    Sounds like a repeat of Driver 2 then. That's a damned shame. I think I'll definitely be seeking out the demo before diving into this.

    (sigh) another long awaited title turning out to be shite then?

    Peej
  • prettyboytim #9 8 years ago

  • valli #10 8 years ago

    krudster, I read a preview on a Swedish site and they were saying the focus is definitely on driving, not the 3rd person. Could it be a different preview code?

    Also, could you switch to a in-car view while driving? I've heard some rumours it's 3rd person only (which would make me skip the whole damn game).
  • Shivoa #11 8 years ago

    Actually getting more enthusiastic about this as it gets closer (haven't played the earlier titles). Can't wait for the final EG review in a few months (hopefully).
  • El_MUERkO #12 8 years ago

    Driver was one of the coolest games ever, Driver 2 sucked almighty ass, Driver 3 looks to be going the same way... i r depressed
  • Freek #13 8 years ago

    Yup, read a similarly negative preview in a local game mag, they also mentioned Reflection is under huge pressure from Atari to ship this even though the game is clearly not finished yet.
    Edited by 1 at 28/05/04 @ 16:19
  • IronGiant #14 8 years ago

    They should have sticked with doing what they do best.. ie no on-foot sections.
  • krudster #15 8 years ago

    Given that most missions have a third person shooting element, I'd argue that it's much more than 70-30. more like 50-50.

    And no, you can't change the third person camera on the car. It's one fixed third person viewpoint.
  • Nemesis #16 8 years ago

    Nice article there.

    I think to state you'll not buy this is probably a bit premature. Let's hope they can iron out the problems before Gold status. I like Reflections, I wouldn't want to see them fold due to this. Get it right chaps.
  • valli #17 8 years ago

    And no, you can't change the third person camera on the car. It's one fixed third person viewpoint.

    Holy crap, they better fix this! What's the point coding an excellent physics system when you can't interact with it properly? Precise driving (as this will be the case) is only possible using an in car view. The 3rd person is for screenshot purposes only and for the NFS dr1ft3r k1ng5.
  • Clive_Dunn #18 8 years ago

    Poor Bruno, I feel terrible for him. No, I really do, honestly.....
  • pyramidbuilder #19 8 years ago

    WOPR wrote - "Wow that was a long read. For those who can't be bothered: It sucks."

    I agree! A Great read.. about a pants game.
    Like Kristan said.. There's still a lot fix before this baby rides smooth.
    I hope they do, and create a GTA beater..
    True Crime was my last bet.. shame..
  • pyramidbuilder #20 8 years ago

    Great beach shot! Nice to look at.. but awkward to handle :-/
  • pjmaybe #21 8 years ago

    Hmm I'll definitely wait for a demo. The thing is, though I can quite see Krudster's point here, I heard a lot of criticisms levelled at Stuntman just before it was released, then it had a good mix of good/bad reviews. Aside from the loading times and some of the more frustrating stunts I still thought it was a good game.

    Mind you, Driver 3's a different kettle of fish. If it's seriously trying to be "GTA but slightly more serious" then it's first gotta be better than GTA, THEN try and work in a reasonably realistic gameworld. By the sound of it that's where they dropped the ball.

    Might still buy it blind if only to just tootle around in muscle cars smashing stuff up.

    Peej
  • pyramidbuilder #22 8 years ago

    Two player Rocked on DRIVER2.
    It was the best thing ever! Smash till you Burn! Chasing round in circles, till you timed the alley right and plowed into your buddy's side door, causing horrific damage :-D ..to much laughter

    /gets excited.. searches ebay for a PS2 and a copy of DRIVER2.. then forgets about it when he comes across a recent bank statment/

    ..it wasn't all that.. single missions were rock hard..
    Edited by 1 at 28/05/04 @ 17:11
  • UncleLou #23 8 years ago

    The driving bit just sounds too good to pass up, so I am prepared to cope with the on-foot sections even if they stay that crappy.

    Maybe they should just release a "Driv3r - Prolouge" edition without the on-foot stuff. :p
  • Eighthours #24 8 years ago

    I'm glad that Eurogamer recognises the distinct air of Rebel Strike lingering over this production, it's just what I've been saying for months about the game.....
  • Ajay #25 8 years ago

    The 3rd person is for screenshot purposes only and for the NFS dr1ft3r k1ng5.
    I beg to differ! What can I say, except I'm in love with my peripheral vision :)

    Although I do agree, not being able to change the view is a crap idea.
  • ruttyboy #26 8 years ago

    Yay! They've arrived! \o/
  • Neverness #27 8 years ago

    My little bro played this at E3 and said (NTSC-UK)...

    "Having already experienced Outrun2 and Burnout 3, Driv3r was the third eagerly anticipated driving game in the Xbox stand. It was also the most disappointing, and arguably the biggest let down of all the games played at the show. Technically the game was strong and it displayed some lovely oversaturated lighting and colours, while the detail on the cars and main character were respectable. Out of car, the game wasn’t too shabby and fairly easy to play, though the targeting system needed work. The game is Driver, of course, not Walker, so it is the car stuff that really matters. It really does matter, but Reflections have got things completely wrong. The handling is unresponsive and sluggish, and to make matters worse the cars move at an absolutely pathetic rate. Never has a car game moved so slowly and, unbelievably for a game of this type, there is virtually zero traffic on the streets (vehicles or pedestrians). Eventually the mission just proved to be too tiresome and jumping out of the car at ‘high’ speed was more interesting than playing the game properly.

    Unless there was a hidden gear shift button on the Xbox pad, an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed with Driv3r (if however, the car was travelling everywhere in first gear, then an apology to Reflections shall be issued)."

    ...strange that he slated the driving more than the third person (twas show conditions though). Whats more strange is that even with the signs that this will be released unfinished, I still want it.
    Edited by 1 at 28/05/04 @ 17:38
  • robo_1 #28 8 years ago

  • valli #29 8 years ago

    *starts assembling anti-tard sentry guns in a hurry*
  • WoodenSpoon #30 8 years ago

    Looks unimpressive.


    /Assists sentry gun assembly.
  • tiddles #31 8 years ago

    Kristan - are there as few cars on the roads as it looks from the screens?
  • debug_kit_2600 #32 8 years ago

    The scope for Driver 3 (sorry, Driv3r) was, and probally is still, massive. What I have seen of this project impressed me even at such an early stage. Atari/Inforgrames should give Martin Edminson and the rest of the team at Reflections until Xmas '04 at least! They worked insane hours to get Stuntman/Driver 2/Driver out and are probally doing the same now. Let this become a "It's done when it's done".
  • joephish #33 8 years ago

    Sure it's not June 2005 instead of June 2004? :-)
  • krudster #34 8 years ago

    Yes it's odd how sparse the traffic is - both in terms of the pedestrians and the cars for that matter...
  • Frogger #35 8 years ago

    This is the end of Atari (Infogrames)... So long boys
  • kdsh7 #36 8 years ago

    Oh ye of little faith. Lest ye all forget Infogrames are the guys who sang to us "Infogrames is entertainment - the future of imagination - infogrames is entertainment that ROCKS my world" (sic).

    And when you've quite done vomiting at the back, let's all lament the state of the industry and mourn the probable end of a talented developer like reflections, who will probably lose their darlings (IP's) to some yes-men developers in the US.

    I really hope *spit* Atari give them a chance to get it right. This is a series with true pedigree, and not some 'me too' pretentious and formulaic dead cert seller appealing to the clueless masses ala *spit*spit*spit* true crime. Now my kingdom for a glass of water...
  • tiddles #37 8 years ago

    I really hope *spit* Atari give them a chance to get it right

    hmmm - it's not as if Reflections haven't had a long time to develop this, is it? Sounds to me like it's Driver 2 all over again, with Reflections the victim of over-ambition and poor planning... (an uninformed outsider's view, admittedly).

    :(
  • matt__jon #38 8 years ago

    NO! Do not listen to these people on the boards. There IS a first person view inside the car, no steering wheel, but you can see the hood of the car, it was even on Stuntman if you want to check it out, and in the earlier trailers.

    And to everyone who liked Driver 1 but thinks this will suck, look at Driver 1, all it was was the driving section of this game, which will be awesome. Everything else in this game is extra, so I don't see why you would hate it more than Driver 1.

    I'm going to get this game, I'm pretty sure at this point, unless they're giving websites copies of the game that are a few months old, that the on foot sections will be good enough for me, but not as good as GTAVC (which wasn't very good at all either). Every site is bashing this game. Oh well the driving section is what I'm buying it for then.

    And to think, they were pretty much done with the driving section when they made Stuntman, sure, they tweaked it some and the damage a lot apparently, but thats still 2 years they could've been working on the on foot section. Did they even look at how other games did it? Jeez!
    Edited by 1 at 28/05/04 @ 23:15
  • Jesterman #39 8 years ago

    Woah! I didn't know the production cost on this was 17million euros, and 34million on marketing. This is going to be an expensive BOMB! for Atari.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040527/tech_infogrames_resu lts_1.html
    Edited by 1 at 28/05/04 @ 23:39
  • Whizzo #40 8 years ago

    matt__jon it would appear people who have actually played the game on various websites are saying it's not up to much. Doing a "three wise monkeys" to their poor impressions of it isn't going to change anything.
  • Eighthours #41 8 years ago

    I really can't believe that it can be so difficult to get the on-foot bits right. It's amazing how developers can be so talented at some areas, and so inept at others.
  • beep #42 8 years ago

    Any word on load times (I missed if so)?

    Stuntman had some horrific load times on PS2. I remember the massive decrease in load time between WRC and WRCII: Extreme, so it can be done.
  • matt__jon #43 8 years ago

    you people jump to conclusions too quick, at least play the game for yourself first. I've had loads of fun with games that were ranked 5/10 before, (and yes, I do like better games too that rank higher, like GTA3)

    I'm having trouble believing that they really did send the most recent build of D3 to Eurogamer. When they finished Stuntman they were nearly finished with the car parts of Driv3r, some tweaking to do here and there, but not much, which leaves them 2 years to work on on foot, and they've been working around the clock for the past few months (I've heard). Oh well, the driving will be kick-ass. Driver 1 and 2 were fun. Th only problem with D2 is the framerate.

    Do you seriously think they would've spent all this time making the game easier for people who complained about Stuntman and not put in an auto-aim feature? Somethings not right. I'm not advertising, just saying don't bang it till you try it. No really, I'm not advertising because if I was I wouldn't get a cent (maybe Driver 4)
  • krudster #44 8 years ago

    Keep the faith, Matt, but when the Xbox build says "May" on it, how can we not assume it's not the current build?

    Load times are fine, but then this is the Xbox version.

    No one will be happier than I if the final build sorts out the myriad of issues in the game, but no-one takes any pleasure 'bashing' it right now.

    There's no hidden agenda here.
  • OnlyMe #45 8 years ago

    Actually, Reflections have yet to create a game that dissapoints on PSone and PS2. Granted, Driver 2 had it's issues, but I had a huge amount of fun with it anyway. I actually loved stuntman. The only big issue is for example when you pile up a huge amount of cars and run into them with the bigfoot, the crash is impressive but the framerate stutters like hell. Hopefully, the framerate is not that big an issue in the crashes in Driver 3. The on-foot parts in Driver 2 did not damage the game too much for me, and I expect the controls can't be much worse than that.

    To me, the Driver games have always been about the driving, and it looks to succeed in that part. Regardless of how much time I will spend when going through the missions, we have driving games and Take A Drive too. That's what I'm buying this game for. In matter of fact, if the game is as good as Driver 2, only better framerate, I'll say I'm satisfied.
  • WoodenSpoon #46 8 years ago

    "at least play the game for yourself first."

    Well, thanks for saving us the trouble of arguing with you.

    Edit: Bit harsh, maybe it will turn out to be good. Maybe.
    Edited by 1 at 29/05/04 @ 10:34
  • perilikid #47 8 years ago

    Some of the Driver 2 missions pissed me off mightily, but I still felt compelled to play it till I finished it. I was looking forward to Driv"3"r a few months ago, but now... I'm not so sure. There are simply too many big games coming out that show so much promise but then turn out to be rubbish.

    Oh for the days of one week one man public domain games, eh?

    No, I don't think so either.
  • matt__jon #48 8 years ago

    Driver 2 was fine with me, except for frame rate, so this game will stil kick ass. Out of car wasn't great in GTAVC either, so I don't see the big deal, at least you can run and shoot in this game, you could only do that with some weapons on GTA. And with the auto aim it makes the out of car that much better.
  • BLACKSHEEP #49 8 years ago

    Anyone played the PS2 version? I heard it run better than xbox maybe because Reflections know the Playstation more.
  • richardb #50 8 years ago

    Oh dear, I was so looking forward to this game as well, sounds like a stinker.

    On another point...

    Quote: "...if the game comes out and everyone slams it (apart from the good old official mags, of course - bless 'em)."

    ...I so agree. I've just let my official XBox Magazine subscription slide because every game has to be groundbreaking and best in its field compared to other consoles, especially PS2, and the big games just turn out to be wonderful all the time.

    We might start seeing their EA reviews turn better now that they've joined up for the Live service. Oh, and non-favoured games might not be rated down for not including full Live features, etc, etc, rant, rant.

    Anyway, shame about Driver. Instead of buying, I think I might wait for the hands on review.
  • 205gti #51 8 years ago

    How can anyone be surprised by this preview? This was supposed to be a car chase simulator, not GTA27.
  • OnlyMe #52 8 years ago

    But Atari isn't developing the game, it's Reflections, whose list almost solely consists of quality titles. I mean, 95% of their games have been classics! Check their list of games and judge for yourself. I believe in Reflections, and I don't give a flying fuck about hot the outdoor sections turn out, because they're not the reason I want the game so bad!
  • MikeD #53 8 years ago

    @zeus

    ut2004 is made by epic, a company so big they aren't really dependant of a publisher. They can just pick the one with the best deal. So to say that's 'really' an Atari game is going a bit far. Same with Valve and Vivendi, or ID and Activision.
  • Talha #54 8 years ago

    Kudos for a nice, lovingly crafted article. That said, all Atari games have a crassness about them and this tops them all. You know, the colours, interface, everything. And what the hell happened to driving for the pleasure of driving? Why do we have to doggedly follow a synthetic mission in all driving games now? I am being a spoilsport, but I really wish for an NFS Porsche Unleashed 2!!!
  • Thamuhacha #55 8 years ago

    >"I really can't believe that it can be so difficult to get the on-foot bits right. It's amazing how developers can be so talented at some areas, and so inept at others." Eighthours

    This raises a nice point. I think there is an argument that we will see publishers moving towards a "specialist" developer model. As games become more like cross genre affairs then different skills are needed for different sections.

    Look at the awful driving sections in Enter the Matrix. Or the disappointing on foot parts of the Getaway. As Eighthours said, dev teams can be pretty poor once they get off their specialist subject.

    I was reading the transcript of Jason Rubin's speech at GDC this year (about how game designers need to be treated like stars). And I think the "dev team stars" vs "horses for courses" debate is going to really pick up soon.
  • Thamuhacha #56 8 years ago

    >ut2004 is made by epic, a company so big they aren't really dependant of a publisher. Mike D

    You might think that Reflections would be in that bracket too? But I do see your point. Epic call their own shots. However, UT2004 was their 3rd/4th game in as many years. So they are probably feeling less pressure than Reflections.

    Good preview BTW Kristan.
  • Feanor #57 8 years ago

    Gamespot has a preview of Driv3r that sounds quite similar to this one which isn't great news for those hoping the game would be truly great.

    http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/driver3/previe w_6099787.html
    Edited by 1 at 03/06/04 @ 16:27
  • pjmaybe #58 8 years ago

    I reckon it'll still sell by the bucketload. Driver 2 did, and oddly enough still continues to sell pretty well (according to the manager of our local HMV)

    Peej
  • krudster #59 8 years ago

    Not sure how the E3 code could be better than the code we got - seeing as ours showed up on tuesday of last week.
  • #60 8 years ago

    For your chance to ask questions directly to the people behind greatness and goodness, log on to #eurogamer on QUAKENET.

    We are there for you.
  • i am tom #61 8 years ago

    It's June 25th (tbc) unless you're encouraging people to break street!
  • Blerk #62 8 years ago

    And also on Eurogamer.net, if you look at the front page.
  • ObiJo #63 8 years ago

    I know this is a stretch .. but is it possible that the "may" on the disc.. was last year's may... 2003. now how rad would that be. Tricking everyone into thinking the game will suck than blowing everyone away. It would be a bad business move but whatever melts your popsicle..
  • WoodenSpoon #64 8 years ago

    Ah, and so the saga comes to a close.
  • yegon #65 8 years ago

    Well, it's available now to all unscrupulous types.....
  • Homer Simpson #66 8 years ago

  • HarryB #67 8 years ago

    Atari deserve to go bankrupt for this POS
    I cant believe they marketed this game to hell and spent millions on that move thing 0 run the gauntlet

    this thing is basically unfinished and its like an unoptimised ps2 launch title
    oh how disappointed I am with the reflections men
  • tiddles #68 8 years ago

    The hype is so huge for this one that people are really going stick the knife in when they discover it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Which is a pity, as it's not as bad as all that. The f***ed up difficulty levels are the only things that really spoil the show....

    /restarts Istanbul chase mission for the 159th time
  • den davies #69 8 years ago

    but f***ed up difficulty levels have been part of the series, remember the last (Save the President) mission in Driver? there's a review up on gamesradar now
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/04 @ 12:10
  • UncleLou #70 8 years ago

    This game is fucking shite, I downloaded the PS2 version yesterday and the gfx are shite, the framerate is shite, what a pile of overrated shite. I wasted a DVD-R on this shite.

    Oh, the tards don't like it, that's the most promising thing I heard about the game yet!

    /preorders

    btw, it hasn't even been "rated" yet, so how can it be "overrated", donit?

  • Blerk #71 8 years ago

    It's not out yet.... unless you're thieving BitTorrent scum. Or a journalist. There's not that much difference.
  • OnlyMe #72 8 years ago

    I think Driv3r is the best one yet. And on the PC I think it will be outstanding. I don't mind the problems with the Xbox version (nor the PS2 version because I'm not getting that one) because later on, I'll just buy the PC version, which is almost 100% certain to get rid of the most important bugs through patches (or hopefully before that) and give me a fantastically stable framerate and draw distance.

    Of course, I only say this after playing a couple of missions and a large amount of time in the Take A Ride mode. I'm saving the rest for later, when I get the ORIGINAL game.

    BTW, are promo versions a true reflection (pun not intended) of the retail game?

    Anyway, what are the alternatives really? GTA? Sure. The Getaway? True Crime? Get real. If you want a GTA style game, but where movie-realistic driving is the most important part, get this. If you want The Getaway with better graphics, better gameplay and overall more fun to play? Get this. If you think about getting True Crime? Get this. True Crime is littered with bugs, and yet people continue to hail it. What's the matter with this world? Surely, Driver 3 is a much much better game.
  • OnlyMe #73 8 years ago

    deathgibbon? You bought the game on a sunday? I didn't know there were stores open at sundays anywhere, where do you live?

    Either way, doesn't really sound like you've played the game, because most of what you say is so... well... overdramatic. You are a poor troll.
  • Tiger_Walts #74 8 years ago

    The comments here aside, has no-one yet got review code?

    That doesn't sound too encouraging.
  • Blerk #75 8 years ago

    See my 'backlash continues' thread in the forums, Tiger....
  • OnlyMe #76 8 years ago

    FullSpectrumWarrior: no you're not the only one. I love it.
  • Shadrach #77 8 years ago

    Well Brandon Stanway of British Columbia Canada, you say people are comparing it too much with GTA, and thats not right. Is the fact that Reflections obviously tried to make it into a GTA3 clone not apparent to you? By adding a half-arsed and blatantly unfinished shoot em up dynamic they are stating two very obvious facts: 1. We want to be like GTA. 2. we aren't very good at it.
  • tiddles #78 8 years ago

    5.4 on Gamespot, 5.5 on IGN (Xbox versions)

    ETA on the Eurogamer review now it's "out" in the shops?
  • Shadrach #79 8 years ago

    Yeah Max, I'm agreeing with you, whether it was pressure from Atari or the developers themselves, somewhere along the line somone went 'ooh, lets make it a bit like GTA cos everyone likes that' and messed the whole fucking thing up. Vice Cities 10 million odd copies sold was obviously too much to ignore.

    edit: Oops, sorry Max, didn't catch the 'to add' part. Sorry :)
    Edited by 2 at 22/06/04 @ 13:16
  • W0PR #80 8 years ago

    on driv3r can you open your boot and put dead bodys in and open the trailer on the artic and put cars in?
    You have to finish the third level when you're given the option of fitting a trailer to your car to keep the bodies in. In later level a caravan is available too.
  • pjmaybe #81 8 years ago

    Ugh, dare I risk my already tattered reputation as a gamer by saying that, flaws aside, I really quite liked it?!?!?!

    Peej
  • den davies #82 8 years ago

    how cum everybody is saying bad things about driv3r i think it is a awsome game by wat i have seen but it doesent come out till tomorrow :(

    it's in some shops already, i got mine on tuesday (and i live in ireland), and all i can say is...if you could forgive driver 2 it's flaws, then you won't have too much trouble forgiving this, i'd forgotten how much i love that fantastically slidey handling
  • den davies #83 8 years ago

    asd, it did actually. there's multiple threads about it in the forum
  • i am tom #84 8 years ago

    Just buy it, Liam...

    Play.com do not source their games from Canada btw
  • Kengro #85 8 years ago

    Piece of shit game. BIG letdown
  • 205gti #86 8 years ago

    Atari released their sales figures....only half the amount of copies shipped in the Uk were sold. They blamed this poor performance on the fact it wasn't released on more platforms. Hmmmm
  • tiddles #87 8 years ago

    Which platforms would they have been then - GBA and GC??

    PC might have flogged a few more... now it's hardly an anticipated title