Fallout 3 Comments by Kristan Reed

Easily my most awaited game of the year, and I'm off Fri, Sat, Sun. Get in.

Same shit storm as always - "I wouldn't give it that... bitch, moan etc".

Regardless, I have already pre-ordered. I loved Obilivion, I have faith that this will be another quality title. Reviews have been strong across the board, so be it a 8, 9 or 10, it will be a good game I expect.

The only game that had massively different reviews was Assassins Creed, it had reviews from 3/10 to 10/10. I blagged a free copy, good job too, as it was shit with knobs on.

I like these comments that dismiss people who didn't like Oblivion as youths or "PS3 fanboys", despite being given proper explanations. You know that funny thing children do where they put their fingers in their ears and start singing when they don't want to hear something, hehehe.

Physically_Insane > Because we have played it ?

"SOLD!

which version though... "

PC (if, y'know, it actually works) > 360 > PS3.

@IronCladChicken

"Sure, but, this is the discussions section where people talk about their subjective opion of the game?"

Yeah, but some people deliver their subjective opinion as if it is objective fact. The same people might as well repeatedly and stubbornly state that the moon is made of cheese. Then they get livid when someone disagrees with them, and try to suggest that the opposing point of view is simply "wrong". "Where is the love?" as some pop-hop band might ask.

I don't object to discussion in itself. Proper debate is great stuff. An exchange of ideas, some questioning of assumptions, its all gravy to me. I just tire of the same tabloid outrage idiocy. There is a difference between intelligent debate and just "saying stuff". Not even original stuff. The same stuff some people have been saying for years. The stuff people are still saying because they haven't deepened their understanding one iota in all that time.

When I read yet ANOTHER comment about how "Oblivion was shit, there is no way it was 10/10, this site is teh biazed" I just wonder how many polar bears might be saved if such people just stopped breathing out. Is that really the best contribution that some people feel they can make? The same uninformed bleating that is mirrored by a hundred others?

That is the question I am really asking. What is the real cost, measured in polar bears? ;)


I'm in full rant mode, so I'm going to chill. I'm going to play FO3 and I'm almost certainly going to enjoy it, but regardless of whether it rocks my world or just nudges it with its foot, at no point during the experience is the mere concept of a review score going to enter my head.

Guaranteed and biased you numpty.

A few quotes from the review:

Even the script and voice acting are pretty decent, and there are reams of detailed text logs to discover.

- So a decent script and voice acting is considered a praise?

Because combat is so fast and deadly in real-time, you find yourself forced to rely on V.A.T.S. in a measured, strategic fashion. You'll dive out of cover, slam it on, try and cripple a specific body part and get the hell away before the enemy can strike back.

- wow, amazing strategic level for a 10/10 game. Hit and run. I wonder if the AI is so dumb that does not follow you and stick in its 5-foot radious field of vision, or such an unparalleled level on napoleontic strategy is too complicated for the highly sophisticated AI to comprehend?

It is obvious that the programmers aimed for a turn-based game, but because FPS is the trend nowadays, they gave it a fps look but made it impossible to play the game in any other way than turn-based. Very honest approach.

And furthermore, there is no mention about the types and variety of the quests, the length of the game (15-20 or 80-100 hours?). And don't get me started about the comparisson with Mass Effect's battles (which were great imo, not too difficult, varied approach to them).

A pretty poor attempt for a review, it seemed more like a preview to be honest.

@PearOfAnguish

Why consciously misinterpret my point in an attempt at humour? Oh yes, it's the internet.

Opinions differ but they are published under the banner of Eurogamer, a site with regular readers who follow their coverage on the progress of a game - in short why couldn't the reviewer cross reference any of the notably negative concerns raised in the preview?

Radius you numpty

Well it's certainly fun when the PC gaming boys get involved isn't it and can't you just tell which ones they are by their comments?!

Honestly, you guys need to get your own site for this stuff - all your trashing of games like Oblivion etc based on "Elves ears are not pointy enough" (I know you're not actually saying that but it sounds like it) etc is hilarious.

The fact is that more and more of "your type" of games are going to be coming to consoles and yeah, they will get dumbed down/made more 'fun' because of it and while that may be sad for you, maybe if more of you actually bought your half-priced games rather than pirating them then the PC would still be holding the attention of publishers as it used to ...

SPELLING!!!! 4/10 See me.

"How come the preview completely berated the game and this review is nothing but praise? Does it just come down to different reviewer opinions? Have Bethesda fixed the problems in a matter of weeks? Were they not problems to begin with? This must be one of the most sloppy reviews I've seen this otherwise great website pull off.

tl;dr

A twat, I am one"

Fixed!

I skipped on Oblivion because the levelling up system put me off, but it looks like this has been addressed in Fallout 3. From reading other reviews and forum members comments who have the game, it seems that this game has a lot of technical issues that are glossed over in this review. However I’m still really looking forward to it, as I’m hoping the gameplay, setting and atmosphere will far out way any technical deficiencies.

Ohhh, I've figured it out: the recent slew of 10/10 games is an incentive for additional site activity, thus increasing advertisment revenue! By the looks of this comments section it's working out rather well...

/snaps out of conspiracy theory mode

@OldRed - My three favourite and most memorable games of this generation are Oblivion, BioShock and GTA IV, three games which for some reason I've noticed have become fashionable to hate. I've never understood it myself whereas I've found other acclaimed games such as Gears of War and Halo 3 a bit ordinary and nothing particularly special. But, you know, as long as I love those games, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I suspect that Fallout 3 will also be a game that many love and many hate. It's just what always seems to happen with "popular" games.

You liked Oblivion: buy it.

You didn’t like Oblivion: don’t.

Everyone else just do one.

What ever happened to being able to just not like a game? I was someone that didn't like Oblivion

mcmonkeyplc
"Also whats with the Oblivion hate? I assume all that's coming from the PS3 fanboys."

At the time I only owned a 360. I'm not really a fanboy of anything, but my platform of choice is the PC.

Old Red
Some of the criticisms of it are such bullshit though, you really have to wonder about the taste of todays gameplaying yoof. Shit the objection aimed at Oblivions 10/10 compared to GTA4 and the double standards is quite sickening and shows these kids are just whores for marketing.

What counts as youth in gaming. I'm 27 been playing games since I got an Amstrad CPC 464. Although I didn't realise you had to be certain age before you could be critical of games. For what it's worth I think GTA 4 is overhyped too.

Both games I bought on release and sold again within a few days. But clearly I like to waste money selling on games just so I can be fashionable and say I don't like them...

Pisses me off when people who don't agree with your opinion have to somehow validate why your wrong and they are right. You love it, great. I thought it was a pretty tedious experience which after ten hours I could take no more of, as with the other Elder Scroll games now I come to think of it. Whats the problem.

"10 means fuck all on this site these days.

Reading other reviewers' impressions (particularly Alec Meer's over on RPS) makes me wonder what actually motivates giving a perfect 10 to such an obviously flawed game. "

Errr?? Do do know that Alec writes for EG as well. Yeah of course you did!

But then what would I know, I am merely a bad tempered root vegetable with my head in the ground about most things, especially thermo-nuclear physics, though not freeze pops psychology

No mention of how good the storyline is and if it successfully continues on from the Black Isle games, from a short mention that die hard fallout fans may not agree with the change in authors from Black Isle to Bethseda it leaves me thinking... well is the story any good or not?

Clearly this review covers most of the major elements for an FPS but the Fallout games were always about the storytelling aspect it just baffles me that the review can effectively skip that element and still give the game 10/10. I mean no-one judged Deus Ex or Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines on gameplay and graphics because everyone was so enthralled by the story itself. I will more than likely buy Fallout 3 but I would have liked to heard how eurogamer feels about the change from Black Isle to Bethseda and if the game sucks you in like the first two.

I feel sorry for anyone who opens IGN in their browser let alone enjoys the content


Got to love a knee-jerk response like that. IGN UK is pretty good. And Alec Meer, who has written the IGN UK review, is one of the best games journalists you can find.

IGN UK is basically the reviewers who don't get the big games here but get them there.

Everyone's favourite McCarthy pops up all the time. :)

Suck it, NMA! :)

The IGN UK review is extremely detailed and gives you way more accurate details to base your buying decision on. It's worth reading as a second point of reference. Its very informative.

cannot. wait.

Yup, better work from IGN. For shame.

@bonker

The PC game comments sections are coherent, and usually has pretty interesting conversation. The last time I went to check out the review of a console game (LittleBigPlanet), the comments section was completely unreadable, and filled with gibberish about halo3 and fights over which console was better. Don't worry I read mostly the PC sections. This review covers three different platforms.

I find it very strange you are on an internet forum and you seem to be expecting a place where everybody agrees with you. I can see that you are unable to respect other people's opinions on a videogame. I wonder how you deal with a conflict of opinion where the issue is actually serious.

Giant Bomb's review covers the negative points of the game a little more thoroughly.

http://www.giantbomb.com/fallout-3/61-20...

You've got to laugh at all the haters (not just here but on the internet in general). We all knew (especially the developers) that old fans would hate this regardless of how they made it. They hate it because it isn't Fallout 1, which means pleasing less that 50,000 strong fanbase was going to be impossible (just look how many state Fallout 2 isn't as good, because it isn't exactly the same as the first). I'm not going to pretend that I have played or even seen much of the previous Fallout games, but you can understand why the devs didn't bend backwards to try and please a very small number of thankless c**ts.

Its nothing like the original Fallout games and I'm glad it is not, the originals are about 10 years old. Things have moved on. I would rather they try and make the games as interesting and fun for everyone not just a core set of fans. It is sad they used the name to sell more copies, but lets be honest here, it could be worse, just look how Silent Hill fans have been treat (me included). Two games bearing the name of Silent Hill both scored 6/10 and you lot moan that your favourite series has been raped and made into a bloody 10/10 game.

As for the hate regarding Oblivion, frankly I'm stunned. I know its not a game everyone would like, but I fail to see how anyone wouldn't see it has an incredible achievement of a game. It has its issues and didn't meet all its promises, but to put it frankly, if you cannot see any greatness in that game at all I would question your own tastes rather than the majority who absolutly adored it.

Rant over. I shall definatly be buying this and enjoying it imensely

Here's a fact for you all to chew on: Fallout, in its lifetime, sold 20,500 copies in the UK.

"Here's a fact for you all to chew on: Fallout, in its lifetime, sold 20,500 copies in the UK. "

Pah! Doesn't affect me one bit. I am surprised about such high sales numbers of a good PC game in the UK! ;)

Here's my own review, for compare-and-contrast excitement:

http://www.incgamers.com/Games/1943/revi...

I'm more with Alec Meer than Kristan on this occasion, but there you go.

10/10?
OMG, AWESOME!

Dear EG. How dare you give a game in a genre that I don't like, a 10! You should be aware of my personal views. I am very fond of lace-making. There's no lace-making in Fallout 3 as far as I can tell - although you wouldn't know it from this review!

For shame.

Post of the thread.

Fuck sake, too many good games coming out this christmas.

My wallet is cry. :(

Once someone plays this - can they let me know if this really is a 10/10 before i spend wonga on it?

I.e. is it a "oblivion" 10/10 - where its sooo almost great, but its obvious that the reviewer only played it for an hour or so, as if you play it long you'll see the flaws

or is it a "bioshock" 10/10?

or is it a true 10/10?

I never know with this site any more - especially when there are full screen ads next to the review.

Thanks

(no comments from people who havent played it - I dont want to know from you - i just want to hear the bad points as well as the good)

"Fallout 3 has been by some margin the most enjoyable game I've played since BioShock"

Hmm, I didnt enjoy that at all.


Goes to read review rather than last para and score...

Fallout 2 did a little better in the UK - about 46,000. Still pretty poor, considering most of those sales were when it was released on the Sold Out label.

I was going to pass on this, but now I don't know what to do!

"Fallout 3 has been by some margin the most enjoyable game I've played since BioShock"

I was so excited and then you had to go and say that.

Besides which I've been enduring the (10/10) Fable 2, so I am at best cautiously optimistic. Will rent ASAP.

Any opinions on whether this will be better on XBox vs. PC?

GameSpot have given Fallout 3 9.0 for both the PC and 360 versions. The PS3 version got 8.5. Dunno why though as the actual review text isn't there for some reason, just the scores.

Smelly its not a 10 game.
Its a 10 on this site but honestly it shouldn't be its a high 8 - low 9.

I've played it for about 10 hours at the weekend on a 360 at a friends house.

I'm highly sceptical of this review.. Like someone said, IGN UK's review seems to be the only one that has honestly looked at all the parts. And if there are many bugs, graphical glitches, stupid interfaces, etc, than perhaps it deserves a 9 for being great, but not a ~10.

On the other hand, I'm extremely sceptical of the game review industry as a whole..

Oh, and why you review an FPS game on a console, when there's a PC version is beyond me..... But then again, they keep saying the console market is more profitable...

Just to add a little further detail to the review. After 10, 15, even 20 hours I would agree that it's a high 8, low 9, but the 10 comes from the sheer amount of amazing experiences I had the further I got into the game. I'd say the game really starts to open up and do itself justice around the 30-40 hour mark when you've started to level-up properly, and have had a chance to really explore the intricacies of the plot and game world. THEN it became a nailed-down 10 for me.

People who want to write it off as less than a 10 after first impressions, that's fine, I agreed with that too. I know for a fact most reviewers had about 15 hours on the game. I managed 60. It's easy to get bogged down with certain minor negative aspects of the game without really having experienced the bigger picture, at which point many of those things cease to bother you.

I could spend another 2000 words just waxing on and giving fantastic examples of some of the stuff that goes on, but to do that would spoil the whole surprise element. I deliberately shied away from giving too much away, because half the fun is finding out this stuff for yourself.

'I've played it for about 10 hours at the weekend on a 360 at a friends house.'

Didn't your friend tell you to gtfo?

ooo now thats actually interesting that it gets better the longer you play it.
I didn't realise this. good to know its worth perservering with . Thanks.

Also, I would like to assure people that the so-called graphical 'glitches' were not something I ever experienced in 7 solid days of play. It's wonderfully polished, I had absolutely no menu slowdown (as Alec mentioned), and no problem reading the fonts (admittedly I have a larger TV, but also played it on a 26" and never had such issues). On the contrary, I thought the menu interface was a HUGE improvement on Oblivion.

As for the comment about the physics somehow being off...that's another element I completely disagree with. On the 360, at least, to my eyes they looked absolutely fantastic during VATS, and only on VERY rare occasions did anything remotely odd.

In addition, the AI is generally very good, it chases you down, flushes you out of hiding places, and puts up a real fight almost all of the time. I wonder what will actually satisfy people sometimes.

"In addition, the AI is generally very good, it chases you down, flushes you out of hiding places, and puts up a real fight almost all of the time. I wonder what will actually satisfy people sometimes."


Now that is something I am glad to hear!

>Eurogamer are giving 10's out like what Burger King give out hamburgers!

LOL!

But sometimes the games deserve it.

But im more than a little paranoid about a BIG game like this - as i know most reviewers rarely play games for longer than a couple of hours (if that)...