Fallout 3 Operation: Anchorage Comments by Tom Bramwell

Makeamazing nice try but you are a tit, now pick your dummy up and jog on. ;) Like I said, others here have expressed their dissapointment without being a bitter fanboy crybaby about it... and its nothing to do with monopolies, you are a complete dunce.

Also your closing comment highlights the desperation you have to save face. "You used a none Euro word its american" Really YOU need to grow up... douche is a good word to substitute for bullshitter.

Im done with you anyway, what I said in my first post stands(you've failed to dig yourself out of it) it happens all too often here.

Good games are a matter of opinion. And I see no reason why a company would make only some DLC for PS3 or separate DLC for the same game on different systems (which I can see as the only advantage of any possible DLC for the PS3 version). It doesn't make much sense. Apart from people who can afford more than one console and can put up with playing through the same game twice for different versions, but i don't think games designers see that as a common occurence in house holds currently.

@Calgon... jog on... haha what a Chav to use these terms... ignore!

Ok can someone clear this up for me.

Was it known before the game was released that LIVE would have exclusive DLC content for this game?

If it did then those owning both consoles who are interested in addons/DLC but still opted for the PS3 version cant really complain too much but naturally if you realise you made the wrong decision since you are interested now then you will be a bit dissapointed.

Those with PS3 only while they might feel a bit dissapointed knew before they'd even played the game which on its own was worth the purchase from the impressions Ive got from reviews... so again you werent ripped off by the devs, you got plenty of value for money and DLC is going to cost extra anyway for those that want it.

I'm sure PS3 players are disappointed that they won't be getting the DLC, but there's nothing 'unfair', 'anti-competitive' or 'monopolistic' about it.
Bethesda are a third party developer and it's entirely up to them what, when and where they make DLC available. Sure, Microsoft may be able to influence them by offering payment for exclusive DLC but there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Presumably any payment made will have been used to help fund the development. Equally, I assume Sony either couldn't or wouldn't negotiate a deal for PS3 DLC.
Is it also 'unfair' that PS3 gamers can't have Gears of War and Halo or that 360 gamers can't have LBP and MGS4? Just because the exclusive DLC is linked to a non-exclusive product doesn't change the principle. Especially when it was announced beforehand that the DLC was exclusive.

Can someone please clarify for me (without spoilers if you can) when this "point of no return" occurs? Someone said save before you go inside. Inside what?
I don't think I'm near the end. In the main quest, I have to go to Vault 112 (which I stumbled across accidently a while ago and almost skipped some other quests, but luckily I read about it beforehand and got the hell out of there before I found daddy).

So when do I know when the dreaded point of no return is? Apparently you have a choice to convince some guy to die instead of you, so with that in mind, can't I just continue from there?

>Especially when it was announced beforehand that the DLC was exclusive.

Indeed. If you wanted a DLC packed version of F3, you should have gotten the 360/PC version. Case closed.

the whole pupose of the exclusive dlc is, that people buy the xbox360 version of a multi format game. makes perfect business sence.
ps3 owners who want to play the dlc should just go out and buy a 360. that's not being meen or anything, but that's the whole idea of this exclusive DLC anyway.

Actually i consider GOW or LBP to be totally different to be fair. They are exclusives, meaning if you want them you will get the console. DLC for a game that is available on all major platforms, this to me is not fair. But yes I agree, If I was Beth and someone offered me lots of money I would be seriously considering it. But that wasnt my general point, but anyway. We had already moved on from that but washing powder man decided to bring it back up and make it a console war.

Sure you had moved on. :/

Its fair because it was known before you even bought it and yet here you are calling monopolies and unfair treatment to PS3 fanboys.

edit: Right that really is all I have to say, I KNEW he would try and spin it around into him being attacked by a fanboy for no reason.

For all the people saying about the ending and how to continue, you do know you can just load it before the end as it Autosaves unless of course you switched this function off? So if they have patched it not to include the ending I am sure they would have thought of this.

Also for the others saying why is it not being made as DLC for the PS3 at the same I would suspect as it has been mentioned that the PS3 is not the easiest console to develope and test DLC on. This would either be the PC or 360 so I wouldn't say it was favouritism as such but rather that they want to make sure it is working as well as possible for the PS3.

Razorus you will know when this is. There area is near Rivit City but with out spoiling it I would suggust saving it when you head to the Brotherhood of Steel building. This would be the best time to go searching the other areas of Fallout I'd say but you'll know when your near the end by the choices left for you.

I hope this helps....

If all you own is a Wii, you don't get to play Fallout AT ALL.
Then again if that's all you own, you probably don't want to.
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Ehr. There was a point in there somewhere.

"Was it known before the game was released that LIVE would have exclusive DLC content for this game?"

Yeah, they announced it at E3. Every next-gen console's getting some exclusive DLC, for the 360 it's AAA stuff like F3 or GTAIV, for PS3 it's dissapointing cack like Mirror's Edge or shoddy year-old 360 ports like BioShock. I liked it more when PS3 owners dismissed DLC as "horse armour" before they realised what they were missing.

I'm thinking it's a combination of moneyhat and PS3 owners like to pirate downloaded stuff - what do they call it, account sharing or something? It's causing a serious problem in terms of realised revenue for downloaded stuff that's for sure.

" PS3 owners like to pirate downloaded stuff - what do they call it, account sharing or something?"

What?????

Did you know that washing machines live longer with Calgon?

@mungolikebeans

Not if the aforementioned washing machine has an issue with DLC on the PS3 it doesn't!

LOL

what's with all the bitching? you knew damn well BEFORE you got the PS3 version that the DLC was gonna be 360 exclusive, so you only have yourselve to blame.

The whole unfair angle is off base with DLC even if the content comes from a multiformat game. There is a decision between companies if they will finance DLC or hope the developer will finance DLC for their particular console. MS has decided that with AAA multiformat games that they are willing to pay money to get Quality (hopefully) exclusive DLC content for the people that purchase the game on their system. Sony on the other hand has decided not to go this route.

Each company is trying to get an edge over the other, why would buying exclusive content for your hardware be unfair is silly. MS is taking a risk and paying upfront for content that may or may not be good. Its a risk for MS that they recoup the cost of the DLC either by extra sells of the original game or through the DLC content.

DLC content is no different then a company paying for a exclusive game on their system. Yes, another console also have the game but so what, if the people that purchased the game on the other console want the exclusive content on another system, then they will get that system, which is the purpose of the exclusive content in the first place.

MS doesn't have a lot of internal development for games like Sony, so instead MS is willing to pay for extra exclusive content or pay for IP and finance a game from a top developer. This is probably why MS is getting rid of ensemble. It's best to pay for IP and a game then actually own the developer as we all know, IP is king.

@Machiavellian

+1

As ever, very well put and solid reasoning.

"" PS3 owners like to pirate downloaded stuff - what do they call it, account sharing or something?"

What?????"

You haven't seen this a hell of a lot? PS3 owners swapping their PSN account info so they can download each other's stuff for free?

Damn you spoiler people, DAMN YOU!

DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!

@evilfoxhound

The thing is, if MS paid for the extra content then Bethesda have no right whatsoever to offer it to non-MS platforms. It's not about being grateful/ungrateful, shafting anyone or anything like that. Microsoft bought and own the DLC rights. It is they who decide where it goes.

Feel free to berate MS on the decision but Bethesda are not at fault here.

Edit: As others have said, there's no reason why PS3-exclusive DLC could not be released at some point, or maybe non-funded DLC for all platforms.

how the hell do any of you find the time to finish these games? esp if you live with your other half!?

Well I paid £18 for my copy, which I think is fair even without support! Not too fussed about the lack of DLC, and as I said, big stack o stuff to get through after Fallout.

Finishing Fallout = hammering it every day while being off for christmas and getting in a couple of hours whenever I can... ideally while something is cooking/burning.

@Doctor_What

"@ glaeken and Farklepot: Could you please not post spoilers? Thanks a bunch for giving away that. I'm actually really pissed off with you both now."

Very sorry dude, I was desperately trying not to post any spoilers because I know how irritating they can be, but I guess my ranting must have got the better of me. My Brotherhood Outcast stuff I didn't think would spoil the game too much as you can find them while exploring, and they don't really relate to the main campaign at all. But again, sorry if I said anything that might have spoiled it for you.

@Razorus

"Can someone please clarify for me (without spoilers if you can) when this "point of no return" occurs? Someone said save before you go inside. Inside what?
I don't think I'm near the end. In the main quest, I have to go to Vault 112 (which I stumbled across accidently a while ago and almost skipped some other quests, but luckily I read about it beforehand and got the hell out of there before I found daddy).

So when do I know when the dreaded point of no return is? Apparently you have a choice to convince some guy to die instead of you, so with that in mind, can't I just continue from there?"

It's difficult to tell you when that 'point of no return' is without posting significant spoilers. Unless somebody has told bits of the story beforehand you might not even realise where it is until you've gone past it. So I'll use spoiler tags and leave it up to you as to whether you risk reading them or not, lest I get another person shouting at me (DISCLAIMER: DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING TWO SPOILERS, LEST YE HAVE A REASON TO SHOUT AT ME! ESPECIALLY THE FIRST ONE!):

There will be an epic battle of 'enormous' proportions. That 'enormous' doesn't necessarily relate to the size of the battle *hint hint*. You will then be told to clear a building. Save before you enter this building and you should be fine. After that, you will enter a room where the doors will lock behind you, and you will have passed the dreaded point of no return. If you have saved before that point, you will be able to re-load your save after finishing the game and continue exploring. If not, you'll have to dig out an older save and hope for the best.

But somebody else gave the best less-spoiler(y?) warning, which I'm still going to put into spoiler tags for safety reasons: during the course of the game you will be required to go to the Citadel for a second time. Save your game then, or at least immediately afterwards.


@andromeda

"how the hell do any of you find the time to finish these games? esp if you live with your other half!?"

Christmas holidays. I was nowhere near finishing everything in the game until I suddenly found myself with 7.5 hours of spare time per day with nothing better to do.

So anyway I have a PC, I play fallout without a GfW account (I HATES IT!).... does this stupid exclusivity mean I will have to have a GfW account to get the DLC or can I download it legally from somewhere else ?

"So anyway I have a PC, I play fallout without a GfW account (I HATES IT!).... does this stupid exclusivity mean I will have to have a GfW account to get the DLC or can I download it legally from somewhere else ?"

I don't work there, so I couldn't give an official answer, but I'm guessing that if you need Microsoft points to buy them, you need a GfW account to buy them. They didn't mention any kind of separate DVD expansion so Microsoft points are probably the only way to buy the things.

Fantastic game... Looking forward to the DLC!

Ah come on given Bethesda's track record with Oblivion in Europe there's a chance we'll get the DLC at some point in time it'll just be minus the DL part and come on a shiny shiny disc with the rest of the game; ka-ching!

"Ah come on given Bethesda's track record with Oblivion in Europe there's a chance we'll get the DLC at some point in time it'll just be minus the DL part and come on a shiny shiny disc with the rest of the game; ka-ching!"

Seeing as Microsoft have paid for the privilege of getting exclusive DLC, I doubt that will be the case. And as you could get Oblivion DLC through Bethesda's website for the PC version I'm not sure what you're getting at with that either...

"I'm not sure what you're getting at with that either"

Shivering Isles for the PS3. Couldn't buy it separately, couldn't download it, only available as a GOTY - buy the entire game again and hope to get some trade in off the old one.

80% of rock band downloads are on 360, 15% on ps3 its no surprise devs dont care about realising the DLC for ps3

I have a PS3 and didn't know that the DLC was exclusive to Microsoft.

I have to admit that I feel pretty upset that I wont get to level my player beyond 20 but totally understand why it's occurred. You can't blame people for being upset about it though. Especially since the consensus is that Fallout 3 is one of this generation's defining games.

Could certainly be seen as a real pity that the DLC are to be limited to X360 and PC and not to be made available for PS3. Still that is looking at the glass half empty could have been that the game was made only for X360 and PC? Be grateful to be able to have access to the game when the like of Hard Rain would never be available for X360?

Exclusive games are not as common as it was then in the last gen, but interesting that more multi platform games have DLC only available for certain titles as if publishers want it both ways, they want to gain as much £ from as many gamers BUT also get the extra £ from the exclusive deals to tie the DLC to a certain console.

Real question is how much influence will the fact bears on the mind of people buying either console? Minimial to get the eggs on the face of MS as wasting their wad of cash or not that great but still harmful to Sony's assertations that the PS3 is the only real choice for gamers?

Market and the mass consumers will tell us the answer eventually, whatever we say here are just what we like to think as a little peals of wisdom!

I hope the DLC comes to the PS3.. maybe once all 3 are released for the PC/360 they could make it avaliable on psn?.. I have pretty much done around 70 or 80% of the game on the PS3 (left the big robot waiting outside at the "end" and went off to do other missions.. Thankgod I had a save there!) and have a pretty kick ass level 20 cha.. The DLC sounds really good, but I don't think I would want to buy the game on the 360 and play over again just to get it..

As for them not really wanting to make a ps3 version of the game beacuse of archutecture of the machine, I think this is bullshit as the game runs pretty damn good on the ps3 and I have never had a crash or lock up in over 50hrs of gameplay.. If the ps3 archutecture was so shit then surely the game would be noticeabley different than the PC / 360 versions or run / look a lot worse?

i've just been walking around in this game for hours observing the great scenery - should have been game of the year no doubt

Apparently washing machines live longer with Calgon.

Could explain the fanboy smell his posts reek of!

Could explain the fanboy smell his posts reek of!

Limescale?

I wouldn't hold out for PS3 DLC ever being available. Bethesda have been lukewarm with PSN, taking a long time to release Shivering Isles; and never releasing the other Oblivion content packs for it. A shame, as they did a decent job of the conversion of the main game to that format.

I'm not sure if it's a deal with Microsoft, or if they just don't like the release process, but they have been fairly upfront about this since release; and they did at least put out a trophy and performance patch. That'll be the lot on PS3 I'm afraid.

Seeing as Microsoft have paid for the privilege of getting exclusive DLC, I doubt that will be the case.

I disagree the clue is in 'exclusive download', same as the Oblivion expansion.

they did at least put out a trophy and performance patch. That'll be the lot on PS3 I'm afraid.

Yeah patch the game with trophies weeks after its release and then don't give them to me even though its quite clear that I have infact done the required missions before the patch.. I'd rather them just not have bothered tbh.

I luv Fallout 3 and I m absolutely gutted that it is not comin to the PS3!!!
Lame!!

No ps3 dlc...roflol...if M$ PAID for them to develop it for 360/pc, why should they not? I'll put it this way, can I go to some ps3 owners house and get crap out of fridge, and sleep in your bed, and eat your food...wtf...if sony REALLY wanted to deliver for their owners, let sony pay!

That Ninja-esque suit of armour or whatever is constantly drawing my attention! I MUST have it!

Great this is what i wanted, open ended with hopefully great missions before, for the ps3 crew the solution is simple, SELL IT or run an xbox along side and make sure you know whats what with dlc before you buy a game, forget the tech

"forget the tech"

Consdering Fallout 3 has a better frame rate on the 360 than the PS3 version, I can only assume this is the remnant of the "more power" meme that PS3 owners were suckered into. Again.