Fable 2

Shock and orbs.

"I'm not a planner," Peter Molyneux is telling us. "I don't plan my life more than a few seconds into the future." We're sitting in a demo room in Lionhead's Guildford offices. There are timelines on the walls, and spreadsheets littered about the table. Controller in hand, Molyneux isn't admitting why most of his games show up late, he's explaining why his team decided to reinvent the wheel when it comes to co-op gaming. "Planning to play co-op for a few hours is not part of my experience," he sighs. "To me, co-op should be dynamic. If there is an opportunity, I should be able to take it, but it shouldn't interrupt my normal game."

So you won't be exiting to lobbies or pre-arranging to meet your pals in Fable 2. Rather, in couch co-op, you'll simply throw a spare controller to your friend and they'll pop in, LEGO Star Wars-style. Online, things get a little more interesting.

It's all to do with orbs. These look a little like pearls, and move politely about the world of Fable 2 as if minding their own business. And they are minding their own business: every orb you encounter is somebody on your friends list who's independently playing through the game. The orb shows their position, allows you to chat, gift them items, compare stats, and even boot them out of your world. It also allows you to invite them in to join you properly.

Co-op in Fable 2 is a bit like inviting a friend to see your Animal Crossing village: players come to your world to look around as much as anything else. "This works for us because your character and world will be so different from theirs," explains Molyneux. "It's shaped in part by the decisions you've made in the story, and then there are all the little additional choices: 'Jesus, you bought that house? You have three kids?' These simple things that change the world can make showing off your version of Albion very special."

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In online co-op, guests will appear in one of several available henchmen models, reflecting the choices the hero has made. In offline, if there's another save on the HD, you get to wear your own clobber.

A focus on showing off isn't the only innovation. Guests join your game not as an equal adventurer, but as your henchman, a role that is actually classified as a job within Fable 2's career structure. This means the game will pay them an hourly wage for working for you, and you can negotiate an additional split of gold and experience gained, using a set of bargaining sliders on the invite screen. Anything your guest earns will travel back with them to their own game when the co-op is finished; it's a bit like temping.

This sounds a little complicated at first, yet the more we saw of it, the more it impressed. Lionhead's system acknowledges the social context of co-op that other games ignore, and the bargaining over who gets to be the hero and how much the henchman is paid is a crucial part of the fun. "Your friend might say, 'I can't work out how to open this door,'" suggests Molyneux. "You can say, 'I'll give you a hint, but you'll have to pay me.'"

In practice, the process of agreeing fees and pulling someone in is as seamless as promised. But you'll have to be careful: although it is possible to turn off friendly fire, anything the henchman chooses to do in the world will have real effects, as proved by the now-famous GDC demo, in which Molyneux's own henchman killed his husband and sent his child to the orphanage.

If this all sounds like the kind of needless reinvention Molyneux is famous for, he argues that it's aimed at creating a different kind of co-op experience, one focused on impromptu get-togethers rather than pre-planned marathons. "Seeing that little shiny orb in the distance and thinking, 'That's Peter! I haven't spoken to him in ages!' and walking over, saying, 'Let's do ten minutes together': that's wonderful, and very different from planning to go to a lobby, pulling someone in you may not know, or phoning somebody up saying, 'Hey, are you playing Fable?' It's a psychological thing. It feels like a bridge between full online and single-player."

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Fable's world is a picturesque wilderness - it's like CentreParcs without the weird dome and horrible food.

And if you don't want to wait for an orb to roll up, you can get the status and location of friends by switching to the map screen, which also allows you to jump right to them. Equally, Lionhead is currently exploring ways of letting you decide which kind of orbs you see outside of your friends: everyone in the same location as you, for example, or anyone with a similar gamerscore.

The orbs are a neat idea, but there's a nagging concern that Fable 2 may turn out to be nothing but neat ideas, with no core game to tie all the interesting elements together. Molyneux admits it's a trap he's fallen into before. "I've learnt more about actually being a designer doing Fable 2 than on any other game. A gameplay mechanic can be very exciting and make you go all funny inside, but it's only as good as the ability for people to play with it, and it's useless if it doesn't aid the drama."

This time he's convinced that Lionhead has cracked the drama as well. To prove it, he boots up the opening tutorial and lets us wander around. Following a wintry cut-scene (one of only five minutes' worth in the entire game) featuring the most elegiac treatment of having a bird poo on somebody that we've ever seen, we're transported to the village of Bowerstone, a Victorian Christmas card come to life, and the place where the story of Fable 2 begins. It's simple, but effective: a mysterious market stall purchase leads to a midnight encounter at a nearby castle, where events quickly take a turn for the worst. Before you know it, there are destinies to be discovered and crimes to avenge: it's a swift and confident kick-off, heavy with potential, and it's all done in under ten minutes of playing, while still finding time to introduce a few of the game's more important mechanics.

Chief amongst these is the morality system, a far subtler beast than the original Fable's. There are still quests terminating in a simple moral choice, yet the game's also watching you when you least expect it. Early on you're asked protect a dog - yes, that dog - from a beating at the hands of a local urchin, but there's more going on than a combat tutorial. Knock the bully away and the dog is saved, but if you choose to give the urchin a good kicking (and you can be surprisingly brutal) the game will take note. Once again, your morality will ultimately shape your appearance.

Bowerstone's cobbled streets also allow Molyneux to show off one of the game's most controversial features: the breadcrumbs. Lose your way in Fable 2 and a glimmering path will eventually appear, showing you the route to your next target. The system may seem doomed to turn a free-roaming adventure into Perfect Dark Zero, but, as with the orbs, a lot of method's gone into this madness, and something we instinctively disliked turned out to be far cleverer than expected.

As in PDZ, breadcrumbs can be switched off entirely, and Fable 2 reacts to how you use them, and tweaks them accordingly. But there's more: just as the game seems to be turning into Dickensian Scalextric, your dog arrives, and the whole system gets a lot more flexible. If the breadcrumbs are there to keep you from getting lost, the dog is there to give reluctant players the confidence to explore. Low maintenance and utterly convincing as an animal, if there are secrets, treasures, or an alternative path nearby, your dog will alert you to them with a helpful bark, and the breadcrumbs will always be there to lead you back to your real destination again.

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For every choice, a consequence. For every consequence, a slightly different haircut.

Again, like the co-op, this initially seems unnecessarily complex: how many other games give you conflicting mechanics that lead you down a set path while also tempting you off it? In implementation, however, it's surprisingly effective at encouraging exploration without allowing you to get lost, and it's as pure an indicator of Fable 2's design goals as you could wish for. Lionhead wants to have it both ways with this game: it wants something that's simple for those who like their games short and sweet, while also having the optional depth for those who want something more involving. It's studied the things that make casual gamers uncomfortable, and created tools to allow them to feel safe, hopefully without ruining everyone else's fun too.

If the breadcrumbs make that intent clear, it's combat that allows insight into how the designers are faring - and, happily, combat may be Fable 2's masterstroke. "One-button fighting" may not sound very involving (and the name isn't misleading: melee, ranged weapons, and magic each have their own face button, and it's perfectly possible to play through the game at that level if you wish to) but deeper options are still available.

Take sword-fighting: a single press triggers a basic swipe, but moving the left stick while holding the button down gives you a flourish move: you'll do more damage, but be more vulnerable. Tapping in time with the rhythm of the music also enhances attacks, as does the game's context-sensitive system, which brings the environment into play depending on where you're standing. Spells and ranged weapons have the same depth - guns and bows can auto-target or switch to a manual aim, and a variety of different spells can be selected by varying the length of the button press, aimed with the left stick, or used in combination.

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Expect pregnant adventuring to show up in a lot of other games after this - we hear Hawx is planning on it.

Our combat demo is a fight through a misty swamp, with enemies lurching out of the ground and attacking in groups. It's a genuine thrill to battle them, and the way the system allow you to switch weapons with no planning meant we were quickly chaining attacks together, finishing off nearby nasties with flourishes, then taking out ghouls in the distance with the shotgun. There are surprises everywhere, most of them delightful, such as when a force-push spell allowed us to finish off six skeletons at once by flinging them against a wall, and ultimately it's far more satisfying than you may expect from combat in a title that has so many other items on its agenda.

Slowly, then, Lionhead's game is starting to take shape out of the mess of inter-linked XBLA distractions and whirlwind marriage opportunities. Furthermore, the shape it's starting to take is a familiar one: Fable 2 is about as close as you can get to a single-player MMO. Not only does it share the same preoccupation with character evolution and customisation (which will be a lot deeper this time; Molyneux admits that many players treated the original's options as mere "Easter eggs"), it also uses a lot of the same formulas and conventions, from the way it doles out its quest-givers, to the evolution of the original game's property-buying, which now theoretically allows you to own every building in the game.

Fable 2 is as ambitious as the first game promised to be, but this time Lionhead is taking on additional challenges: trying to make this for as broad an audience as is humanly possible, without alienating anybody along the way. That sounds close to impossible, and once again, there are signs that the clutter of sheer creativity on display may result in a game that's twice as wide as it is long. But the difference this time is that we're playing the most interesting features instead of just hearing about them. The first Fable was a brilliant idea that was split somewhere between the game disk and its creators' imaginations, whereas the sequel is already coming alive on screen. Maybe Peter Molyneux has got better at planning after all.

Fable 2 is due out exclusively on Xbox 360 in October.

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  • Bloodloss #1 4 years ago

  • Bremenacht #2 4 years ago

  • penhalion #3 4 years ago

    sounds seriously over ambitious. I'll take the usual "it's Molenaux so wait and see what the game actually contains" approach.
  • JediMasterMalik #4 4 years ago

    Wasn't convinced before, but it sounds really good the way you word it. Still not convinced graphics wise, the speckling is annoying as hell and the textures aren't amazing, but it looks passable.
  • madgerald Verified Studio Head of PR & Marketing, Colossal Games LTD #5 4 years ago

    I for one am really excited about this.
  • theidiotsarewinning #6 4 years ago

    i think 'dickensian scalextric' might have been a googlewhack before this article bowled up.
  • LetsGo #7 4 years ago

    Screenshots are broke, they are Fable 1 ones in the article!
  • gmmonkey #8 4 years ago

    The gfx look amazing. I'm still wary about this game. I followed fable 1 years before it came out, like some kind of deranged celebrity stalker. When it came out it was a BIG letdown. Loading the screen every minute pissed me off and the game didnt have much depth. I remember when they said fable 1 was going to be a sandbox, that got cut out eventually. The game wasn't particularly long for a rpg. This game looks like it has invisible walls and linear paths from the pictures. Lets hope Peter "close, but no cigar" molyneux pulls this one off.
  • Xerx3s #9 4 years ago

    Made of pure win I would say. \0/
  • sanctusmortis #10 4 years ago

    Do we know it's definately Game doing the free pub games on preorder yet? I'm not putting one in til I know.
  • creepylizard #11 4 years ago

    I'll definetely be getting it but why do they have to just overcomplicate the fecking thing. can't they just make a really great action rpg? why do they have to add all that other bollocks to it? multiplayer, pregnant players....my minds gone blank now but generally all that other rubbish that molyneux feels the need to foist on everyone to show how innovative he is(is?) whether we want it or not...?
  • local_celebrity #12 4 years ago

    A more burning question: why can't anyone spell definitely?
  • Skywise #13 4 years ago

    because I learned it wrongly years ago :D
    thanks for pointing it out though.
  • creepylizard #14 4 years ago

    I'm just tired. honest.
  • TheNinkyNonk #15 4 years ago

    Words speak louder than actions.

    Well, in Molyneuxland at least.
  • IronGiant #16 4 years ago

    Another over ambitious game destined for average sales..
  • Stuz359 #17 4 years ago

    I loved the first Fable. It was almost like the Zelda game I always wanted it just fell a lot short of that. I have high hopes for this
  • LazyDan #18 4 years ago

    I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE DOG CAN YOU CONTROL IT I HEAR YOU CAN
  • MrChuckles #19 4 years ago

    From people i know on the project, no you don't control the dog, it reacts to how you play. No direct control.
  • Psychotext #20 4 years ago

    My most anticipated game this year (sorry LBP). Can't wait.
  • wired009 #21 4 years ago

    Fable 1 on the Xbox was a pretty big let down. I enjoyed the story telling portions, but there was something missing from the gameplay.The combat, equipment variety, enemy variety, and morality scale were adequate but not compelling. Although it looks pretty from the screenshots, I'll be giving it a test drive before I make a commitment.
    Edited by 1 at 15/07/08 @ 06:38
  • Rack #22 4 years ago

    I loved Fable precisely because it was twice as wide as it was long. Far, far too many games focus only on length to the point they are tedious messes. Still, as with the first I'm concerned all this about pregnant players, co-op and rhythm based combat will lead to the cake made of icing Fable 1 only just managed to avoid.
  • Xerx3s #23 4 years ago

    "Another over ambitious game destined for average sales.."

    So well over 2,5 million for Fable alone - not including the TLC pack they released on the pc and xbox later on - is average sales nowadays? I think that there are a lot of dev's out there that would go to great lengths to get those numbers.
  • koji_m #24 4 years ago

    sounds really good

    *crosses fingers*

    please be good
    please be good
    please be good
  • TechnoHippy #25 4 years ago

    Really looking forward to this.
  • Darren #26 4 years ago

    I hope the developers fix that tearing I've seen in the latest videos; after all the original Fable was plagued with it. That aside, I thought the first game was merely good rather than exceptional; definitely a case of Peter Molyneux overpromising on its feature so it ultimately came across as a disappointment IMO. The sequel is looking much, much better though so I'm actually looking forward to this despite not really enjoying the original that much. I love the idea of having a dog ingame, that's such a cute touch. :)
  • Wash #27 4 years ago

    Meh, if this game is 1 million miles away from oblivion i'll be happy. good game, but fable will hopefully correct what was wrong with it. I.e story, graphics, animations, ai, bugs.

    Sounds good tho, day 1 for me, loved the previous attempt.
  • Dizzy #28 4 years ago

    Good stuff... loved the first one. This one can't go wrong. We need more RPGs that have a more European fantasy world IMHO.
  • andywilkie35 #29 4 years ago

    thought the first one was absolutely brilliant if a little short (from what i can remember i completed it in 10 hours...that can't be right can it?) but this is one of my most anticipated
  • Tyranix #30 4 years ago

    I hope the gameplay and 'revolutionary' choice elements save this game because its generic storyline and game world won't. Really have high hopes for it like I did the first Fable (and even though it disappointed, I still thoroughly enjoyed it) so here's hopin'.
  • Britesparc Verified Creative, ITV #31 4 years ago

    I really liked Fable, but I felt it was somewhat hamstrung by technology - maybe they aimed too high. This time, everything looks right. The combat, the co-op, the dog, the WORLD...

    I'm preordering as soon as a) I find out for sure how the free XBLA thing works, and b) I find out for certain there's a limited edition.
  • Dizzy #32 4 years ago

    >generic storyline and game world won't

    Lemme guess... you like cross dressing apocalyptic emo JRPG kids saving the universe with swords?

    If you want "good" fantasy stories read a book. You are in the wrong hobby.
  • dryden555 #33 4 years ago

    I was burned by Fable 1. Waiting for lots and lots of reviews before I buy. Looks pretty.
  • bonker #34 4 years ago

    I was gagging for this anyway, now I'm bone-hard with anticipation.

    I'd still like more details on what you can and can't do together over Live co-op as this is the real USP for me.

    Molyneux banging on about not looking for the pre-arranged co-op slant (which is EXACTLY what I want to do with my mate/s) has me concerned that he's setting expectations re the co-op play, as in there's a ton of stuff that you can't do but here's hoping ...

    This could be the first real ground-breaking 'next-gen' game that we've seen ...
  • kangarootoo #35 4 years ago

    "Controller in hand, Molyneux isn't admitting why most of his games show up late"

    Riiiiight.
  • kangarootoo #36 4 years ago

    "Another over ambitious game destined for average sales.."

    Nonsense. This is going to sell in spades.
  • kangarootoo #37 4 years ago

    "Molyneux banging on about not looking for the pre-arranged co-op slant (which is EXACTLY what I want to do with my mate/s) has me concerned that he's setting expectations re the co-op play"

    I totally agree. Co-op play with random people you don't know is rarely satisfying, as the internet is mostly full of nobheads with ADD (especial XBL).
  • L42yB #38 4 years ago

    I can't wait for this :) Hoping against hope that I won't be let down... again...
  • foamy #39 4 years ago

    @Tiste

    From what I saw at GDC07 , you can't control the dog directly.

    I so f'ing want this.
  • darc #40 4 years ago

    "That sounds close to impossible, and once again, there are signs that the clutter of sheer creativity on display may result in a game that's twice as wide as it is long. But the difference this time is that we're playing the most interesting features instead of just hearing about them."

    Another difference: the possibility of on-going downloadable content.
  • sirtacos #41 4 years ago

    I'm excited but I'm also wary. So very wary.
  • creepylizard #42 4 years ago

    Dizzy
    I don't think its unfair, or being in the wrong hobby, to expect or want a decent story. maybe years ago when games were obviously more basic but now, with games trying their best to tell some kind of interactive story why wouldn't the story be evaluated accordingly?
    Do you realise they probably have proper writers and everything working on the script? I doubt the plot was something the accountant knocked up in his lunch break....
  • BTBAM #43 4 years ago

    I'm leaking piss in anticipation. This looks perfect. Fable 1 was a 10/10 game for me, purely out of the levels of enjoyment I got out of it. It's the game I've replayed the most, and I cannot wait for this. If it's only a little bit better than Fable 1 it'll be my favourite game of all time. If I can reduce my Football Manager addiction, anyway.

    Not particularly bothered about the online aspect, but at least this will have more character and charm than something like Oblivion, which had pretty fuck all.
  • BigJonno #44 4 years ago

    Fable had a generic game world? There must be a lot more fantasy RPGs based in fairytale-like worlds than I realised. Last time I looked it was all Tolkienesque orcs and elves and dwarves.
  • BlackKraken #45 4 years ago

    Ill be happy just as long as when you're evil and grow horns it doesnt make you bald. Kinda lose the cool look with the receding hairline.
  • immateriaux #46 4 years ago

    "Tapping in time with the rhythm of the music also enhances attacks": I'd personally mark that one down as one pretty stupid idea.

    It will be a major surprise if this game breaks the PM mould of disparate, buggy elements fighting for a cohesive form.

  • ronuds #47 4 years ago

    I'm an old fart who's been gaming for damn near 25 years, and I have to say....this is my most anticipated game ever! Every article I read on it just makes it sound better and better. I loved the 1st Fable, despite its shortcomings, so I can only imagine how much I'll love this!

    These last 2 months are going to be hell!
  • konnsky #48 4 years ago

    YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE DOG!