EVE Online's Player Council: The Big Vote Comments by Jim Rossignol

3 year playing vet with multiple accounts here. I don't know anything about any of the candidates other than their forum personas and I wont be voting. I can't help feeling CCP have gone to far to pandering to the forum superstars tbh, they made the game, they know the issues and they should fix them. Now a few people with personal bias will have influence on what the rest of us do? No thanks.

haven't played EVE actively, but some other less spectacular MMOG's

http://www.ogame.org for example.

I must agree with Nallen. Some forum trolls are more equal than others... and the once the post the most (even if it's utter shit) get to represent the masses.

not a good system.

the producer of the game should fix the known issues (whatever they are in this case) and that's it. the community will always vote with their feet.

Not much of a eve player but I am tempted to dip my toe in the water. I think if they are to do this sucessfully, the forums should not even be included and everything should be done through the ingame. Obviously players will use forums for popularitiy, but more incentive should be given to the more sucessful players and guilds in the game. Canditates should really come from the larger guilds and most sucessful players rather than forum trolls, who for the most part, are counter productive to everything bar themselves if Eurogamer forums are anything to go by.

/awaits EVE m0t0rb1kes

Will my klingon skills work with icelandic?

I knew Hardin from when he was one of the founder members of PIE with me and a few others. Im tempted to reactivate just to vote for him. Hes a top bloke.

3 year vet here also.

Had enough of corrupt politics :P

I think if they are to do this sucessfully, the forums should not even be included and everything should be done through the ingame.

Yes. Big Yes.

I knew Hardin from when he was one of the founder members of PIE with me and a few others. Im tempted to reactivate just to vote for him. Hes a top bloke.

I on the other hand don't know anything about him, and the alliance I'm in have been going on fleet ops with CVA for over a year and working with them from before we even were an alliance. Just goes to show that even the most 'famous' of eve players can be total unknowns for almost everyone. Same goes for Jade, fought wars against him for months, know almost nothing about him.

Here's another thing to consider, these people are big in Eve because of what they've done in the dark underbelly of Eve, 0.0. If memory serves correctly the first QER stated only 9% of the Eve player base actually exists in 0.0, the rest are in empire (secure space). So now the loudest shouters of just 9% decide content changes for the other 91%?

It doesn't work for me, very 95% of the wealth, 5% of the population. There was enough of that with T2 BPO's :)

On the other hand it's those very same people that kick off after every change and it is a rare thing indeed that the screaming gets much done. Perhaps CCP's sole intent is to allow that screaming before changes go in, asses if that very slim change of a change being acted upon exists and then implementing things with the caveat that the screaming should have already been done.

I think there is a place for player driven development in MMO games, it is after all basically a huge ongoing QA process on a regularly patched piece of software. However I think it should be limited to the hard facts, god knows Eve players can be somewhat hardcore with their stats and maths. If a balance issue can be proven then players have every right to shout and be heard. Developers should make a change. However when it comes to opinions of how things should be done I think you're going to far to take the opinion of one as the opinion of many and act on it.

This player representative thing seems like a pretty good idea. I haven't played EVE in a while but I was always impressed with the level of customer service and the attention paid by the devs to comments made by the players. Maybe this will help make for an even better gaming experience. Certainly the comments by some of the candidates in the article are encouraging.

As a an incidental addition, I also knew Hardin of old. Top bloke tbh. Hope he wins.

First off - Thanks to Jim for the interview opportunity - and nice article. Only one thing - I am not leader of the CVA - just its mouthpiece. The real leader is publicity shy and likes to sit in his bunker stroking his white cat - so it's all good.

Secondly - Thanks for the comments Sarkster and Corposant - Please come back and play EVE again. Corposant you will be pleased to know that your brainchild 'The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves' is still going strong ;)

Thirdly - to the chap who stated that he has been on ops with CVA and doesn't know me - well I do have two other accounts and my main PvP character is Siobhan. So maybe that rings some bells (or not). I do disagree with your assessment of the 0.0/Empire split. While most characters are based in Empire space - a large percentage of those are owned and operated by 0.0 characters, so the divide is not quite as obvious as the raw numbers portray it.

And finally - if you are interested in the EVE CSM elections check out my blog http://www.hardinfaq.blogspot.com as it links some of the other campaign resources and info...

i voted for the chin thou i think the council is a bit of a waste of time, curious to see how many goons get on

Well this was the extremely cynical - but funny - view of Sarmaul on the Scrapheap forums:

CSM: The greatest achievement of CCP's existence: reducing the amount of complaints levelled at the game & company by turning the most vocal forum whores against each other, while getting everyone else to participate.

Hi Jim,

How's your book coming along?

Thanks for the mention in your article :)

I'd like to add that since the ISS IPO Projects ended, I been running a regular newsletter Outpost Alert! to 4500 subscribers, the most popular EVE Alliance Rankings and published a CCP licenced EVE Strategic Map Book (ships this week).

/Serenity

Interesting article, thanks for that. If anyone would like a little more detail on my personal CSM platform feel free to come and have a read on the official Eve forums at:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard....

Or my CSM blog:

http://www.jericho-fraction.net/wordpress/

The election still has 6 days to run so please get out and vote and maybe just maybe we can stop the big alliance fat-cats dominating the show and voting more defensive powers for their Outposts and Towers! :)

Maybe one of you could get POS and other such boring shite removed from eve \o/

Edited: No need to bring EVE political arguments here. I am sure Eurogamer readers are bored enough of politicians without myself and Jade fighting it out here too!

I have a question.

How many peeps did CCP insta-ban for downloading the leaked eve code?

>>Maybe one of you could get POS and other such boring shite removed from eve \o/

Well, the main thing is getting POS removed from the Sovereignty System. I'd be very happy to see POS returned to their roots as purely economic platforms used by moon-miners and researchers.

I don't think POS are a good basis for territorial warfare though - we do need Eve to return to a more honest model of warfare where territorial ownership is about player on player fleet action - not player vs Structure grindfests with gangs of ships shooting POS shields for hour after tedious hour and feeling their sense of wonder and space operatics evaporating in a puff of dull mediocrity.

Every day I'm tempted to stat playing EVE, I'm not sure if this makes me more likely or less likely, but it sounds like a fairly cool idea, if handled sensitively by CCP.

"Well, the main thing is getting POS removed from the Sovereignty System. I'd be very happy to see POS returned to their roots as purely economic platforms used by moon-miners and researchers.

I don't think POS are a good basis for territorial warfare though - we do need Eve to return to a more honest model of warfare where territorial ownership is about player on player fleet action - not player vs Structure grindfests with gangs of ships shooting POS shields for hour after tedious hour and feeling their sense of wonder and space operatics evaporating in a puff of dull mediocrity. "


That would be superb if the game could return to actual fleet vs fleet combat, but I think sadly it's too far gone now for it to return to how it was. There would have to be a major shift in attitudes in how things were done atleast. God I miss the old days of eve heh.

*Yawn* As soon as I finish my 5 jumps to get some minerals, I'm going to vote forzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *snore*

Taking this all a wee bit seriously, no?
/runs for mayor of Liberty City