EVE Online: The Politics Comments by Jim Rossignol

Nice article. I feel the need to point out that the Stellar Council is useless and merely pandering to the press. None of their suggestions have been taken on board and CCP only implement things that they were originally going to do before the council started. It's a giant waste of time and has no relevance to the actual in-game world at all.

But hey, free trips to Iceland can't be that bad, can they?

To be honest thats because most forum generated 'expert' advice to CCP generally boils down to "hmmm could use more blue....make it so" or "I WANTZ STUFFZ MY WAYz!!11!"

I'd imagine it being a horrible spirit crushing exercise, to sift through all that nonsense in search of that one geniune nugget of design joy.

Any the article read like a footnote but i do agree that EVE's politics is one of the best examples of why it's ahead of it's time.

EVE Online is a game I'd love to get into but I downloaded it for a trial and it just felt so sterile. It was like playing "SPACE: The Interactive CD ROM of the Universe" and I just couldn't get into it...

I love these EVE articles - keep 'em coming, Eurogamer.

Yes. More EVE articles please!

You can tell that one of the Eurogamer team is an eve nut. Gets more articles than wow

well, wow is sort of simple compared to eve... So its sort of justified. I like the eve articles, keep em coming!

Nice article, for anyone interested in EVE or joining an established corporation (we have been active for over 5 years in EVE now) then take a look at M.Corp. We have been involved in most of the goings on in that article, in fact I would even say that the very beginnings of the "RedSwarm" vs BoB was were instigated by M.Corp and it's alliance of the time (LV) A situation which for the first time brought BoB into contact with Red Alliance & GoonSwarm - And it's still rolling on today, nearly two years later.

Take a look at THE MCORP WEBSITE for more details.

Rows, as my fellow corp director and CSM member could tell you, CCP did listen, but the majority of the changes cant be done overnight, and require time and effort to get sorted. I would expect we will start to see the results of the CSM meeting in the next few patches though, with them starting to appear at the end of the year.

The last thing we all want is for Eve is for it to start pandering to the vocal minority, or we would ed up with some kind of Frankenstein's monster which nobody would be happy with.
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Jim, I'm kind of assuming you aren't PvPing in a faction ship and have decent Laser skills, so...

Augoror Navy Issue, General Purpose (Off the top of my head fitting).

5 x Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M

2 x Cap Recharger II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners

Medium Rep II
2 x Hardners to Taste
2 x Capacitor Power Relay II
Heat Sink
RCU II
CPR II

Mix of Auxiliary Nano Pump and Nanobot Accelerator rigs to taste.

3 x Hobogblin II Drones

Should give you decent speed with the AB to close, enough tank to last most stuff out, while being able to pop stuff at a nice rate.
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Everyone else - if you are thinking about trying Eve, look us up.

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Eve University

Whenever I read articles about EVE, I get the urge to join in. It's too much of a time sink - if I'd beena student when this came out, undoubtedly would have got stuck in - plus it's so far down the line now.

Small note: Unlike other MMORPGs, a large part of the EVE games actually happens on the official forums. All corporations slander their enemies and posture and brag on any forum they can, including this one.

On one hand, I can see the charm of this meta-game, it's very interesting to see the actions and wars and feuds and alliances that are the result of nothing more than people talking and talking and talking, but on the other hand, it gets very tiresome since the game itself then attracts and rewards "forum warriors", people who are very good at trolling and arguing on forums, and the shit they do spill over on other sites, such as this.

Never ever believe stuff that is written on a forum about the in-game situation in EVE, it will always be biased, it will always be propagande by some faction or other.

The thing about war is: It's great.
The other thing about war is: It's hell.

I left Eve as the war my corp (We were the press corp) was involved in just ground me down. It takes a lot of effort to maintain a permanent state of readiness. What starts of being new and exciting (Yay, I can log in and maybe have a fight) eventually becomes a chore (suppose I'd better log in and try to help).

It didn't help that I sucked at PVP so battles would generally involve me going home in a pod, which as I also sucked at making money got to be quite expensive.

Still boring as fuck to play though.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/v...

...that basically sums up how I feel about the game.

I know I'll never play Eve, but I have huge admiration for what they have achieved. And I actually rather admire the dedication of the players that run the councils.

And on the subject of zero punctuation, the opening rant of his Braid review is music to my f*cking ears.

All these articles really make EVE sound unbelievably better than I imagine it is, from watching a friend play it. I'm never going to get into it believing; its an MMORPG so time is it's currency of progress and I don't have that much, the politics have been going on for years... how can I catch up? and really I have enough arguing and moaning on every other forum I visit to not need to turn it into a meta game situation as well!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/v...

...that basically sums up how I feel about the game.

You know Yahtzee's reviews are meant to be taken as a joke, right?

Besides, he just does it for the sake of it now. If he started out with any journalistic intent, it is long since vanished from his section of The Escapist.

And ultimately, much of what he points out is merely what is different from other MMOs in EVE, not what is bad. Also, unless you PvP in EVE you have abslolutely zero credibility as well as zero punctuation as a reviewer - 90% of the game is pure PvP. The market is PvP, mining is PvP, industry is PvP, alliances are most definitely PvP, corps get into PvP, piracy is [yarr!] PvP, etc. Yahtzee only spent a week playing EVE, immediately dismissed player corporations as "stupid" [or whatever thesaurus-based adjectives he spewed out this time] and PvE'd for a week . . . even those who devote their lives to PvE in EVE will usually say it's not great, so what the hell was he expecting?

Anyway, good article, Eurogamer

@AphoticCosmos

"You know Yahtzee's reviews are meant to be taken as a joke, right?"

Err, the jokes he includes are meant to be taken as a joke, but when he says something is shit he actually means it. And a lot of what he says, whilst also being delivered in a witty manner, still strikes a chord with those finding the same frustrations with various games.

"Besides, he just does it for the sake of it now. If he started out with any journalistic intent, it is long since vanished from his section of The Escapist."

And what the hell is "journalistic intent"? No his reviews are not the same as most other typical reviews, but they never have been and were never meant to be.

You kind of seem like an Eve fan who just feels a bit stung.

I think a lot of the stuff Yahtzee said is true, so far as it goes, but he reviewed the wrong EVE. The user interface is indeed lousy (and I sure hear him about eyestrain). The game has every bit as much grinding as others, it's just for money rather than XP. The PvE missions are poor even by MMO standards, and they'd cause riots if Bioware tried to pull them in a singleplayer game. Early 1 on 1 PvP is largely trading blows until the bigger gank beats the smaller tank or somebody successfully runs away. The time-based skills and grind-based cashflow mean you often can't afford the ships you can fly or can't fly the ships you can afford, unless you play for exactly the number of hours per week CCP assumed.

But like Mr Rossignol said here, when you get into groups it all falls into place. The combat becomes about skill as well as numbers, the story becomes what you make of it. You're an idiot to play EVE solo. Guess what.

I'm another firmly in the "I'll never play EVE" camp, simply cos I want to keep my life, life and job. If ever I win the lottery and the wife dies though, I'll give it a bash for a decade or three.

I love the articles though. Hell, you could write up whole stories on this one.

Another +1 for "love the articles but simply don't have the time to play this"

Hell, you could probably spin out a plot the length of the entire Xenosaga series on the basis of a single EVE conflict. Fascinating, but time-consuming.

Yeah, I may never play it either, but I do admire the concept - it's just not very easy to get into.

That Zero Punctuation is bordering silly though. I mean, sure, I can appreciate a few cheap shots - and I have when it comes to some of his other reviews - but his dismissive attitude right from the beginning really only had him come away as arrogant. You don't play World of Warcraft for the great world PvP or interesting player politics in the same way you do not play EVE for the PvE content. Also, not joining a player corp was probably the most stupid thing he could've done - EVE is all about social interaction.