Europe gets Xbox 360 price cut Comments by Ellie Gibson

Warhawk's help text was unreadable on my 32" CRT, so small!

however with regards to my 360 its all love baby.

Somebody needs a girlfriend...

"Its makes me laugh that people can actually diss a company for reducing the price"

Who's dissing them for lowering the price?! Most people around here that are dissing MS are doing so for the silly wishful thinking of their management...

And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers.

'And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers.'

That's comedy gold

I can see consumers pitchforks in hand marching on Microsoft demanding that they raise the price!

'And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers.'

My interest as a consumer is to pay the lowest price possible for a product!!

"People will be tighening their belts this xmas and for the non serious gamer who doesn't need anything all singing and dancing whats more attractive £129.99 or £299.99 when the quality of the games are identical??"

What's even more attractive than those two machines is the Wii. Sony and MS were right that Nintendo was in a different league: It's in the league of the mass market while they are not.

"My interest as a consumer is to pay the lowest price possible for a product!!"

In general, yes. But sometimes companies fight price wars to drive each other out of business. Short term consumers benefit from the lower prices but in the long term the reduced competition will result in higher prices and the consumer is worse off overall.

@ mcbi4kh2 however with regards to my 360 its all love baby.

Somebody needs a girlfriend...

I am married, but back on point at the end of the day the consumer wins as our hobby tends to be expensive.

"That's comedy gold

I can see consumers pitchforks in hand marching on Microsoft demanding that they raise the price!"

What a fucking idiot. Did I say that?! I said there are situations in which a lower price might hurt the consumer and this is not one of them. Of course consumers never ask for higher prices. But then, consumers are people and therefore short sighted idiots. What seems in your best interest isn't always so.

'In general, yes. But sometimes companies fight price wars to drive each other out of business. Short term consumers benefit from the lower prices but in the long term the reduced competition will result in higher prices and the consumer is worse off overall.'

As seen in PS2 and £425 price - 'get another job' for PS3.

Thank fuck those days are over!

I made a post a few days ago about the 'war' this time having different facets to it compared to previous-gen wars with each 'competitor' actually fighting on a different front.

These price cuts indicate to me that MS are turning their back on the PS3 as no real competition and that they are now eyeing up N's slice of the pie ...

"I'm on the opposite end. When I buy a product, be it car, TV, computer, watch, clothes, camera and so on. I always go with the most expensive. The reason is that I have always found that cheaper products are less well-made"

Yes the examples you give are true, if you don't know what particular model/brand you want. What I meant is that if I was looking for say an Xbox I would search around and pay the lowest. Any because an Xbox is now £100 cheaper since release, is it less well made? I'd say the opposite in this case.

"These price cuts indicate to me that MS are turning their back on the PS3 as no real competition and that they are now eyeing up N's slice of the pie ... "

They've never been eyeing a different market which makes their game line-up and marketing efforts for the first three years rather baffling.

"Is now cheapest machine on the market"

And its also the best!! How often is that the case. Not very often.

Some of you guys would make absolutely brilliant industry analysts.

evil - your twisted logic is all kinds of wrong.

muscleblade

And its also the best!! How often is that the case. Not very often.


/queue RRoD remarks from Les et.al.

I think I'll buy an Xbox360 now. I've been buying up cheap Xbox360 games the past few weeks - all highly rated and bought for between £5 and £12. I've been waiting a while for the price to come down.

@ Evilfoxhound

'I'm on the opposite end. When I buy a product, be it car, TV, computer, watch, clothes, camera and so on. I always go with the most expensive. The reason is that I have always found that cheaper products are less well-made.'

Ahahahahahahah!

Don't be daft. Are the most expensive cars on the list below judged to be the most reliable? Em, no.

http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/7588124359...

Can you explain why my £35.00 Diesel t-shirt washed better and laster longer than my £85.00 Armani one?

"We're proud to be expanding the reach of Xbox as the first next-generation console to break the EUR 200 / GBP 150 barrier" Erm, isn't this now just "This Gen" not "Next Gen" as it has been out 3 years!!! Do MS not know that it has been out 3 years!!! lol. And i have both Xbox360 and Playstation 3 and a Wii and love them all for different reasons!!!.

"widge- does the ps3 get louder when playing divx's from the HDD?
(how mouch louder?) I'm thinking of replacing my XBMC soon and a PS3 would be a good option.
Does it play all DivX's, Xvids and AVi's these days? how about ubtitle support for my jap/chinese films? "

Build yourself a HTPC and you'll be able to play *anything* forever - you'll be surprised at how little money you can do this for these days, a 2.4Ghz Core Duo with 1GB and a £20 graphics card is all you need for some top-quality 1080p luvin ...

well played MS - I have all 3 consoles and current play rate is 360 - 60%, PS3 35% and Wii about 5%. Even my 6 year old son prefers the 360 !!

@DJKNIGHT13
I am married
As I said, someone needs a girlfriend ;)

360lol

"Can you explain why my £35.00 Diesel t-shirt washed better and laster longer than my £85.00 Armani one?"

As they're both sewn by the same little Chinese children, that truly is a mystery... ;)

5 million consoles sold and a 60% failure rate? come on that does not say much other "than look at me i sold so many consoles but i also fucked up so much of your time and money dear consumer"

One of my theories is that I think MS was/is battling the overall perception that the PS3 is somehow a better gaming machine than the 360. People still have this thinking and it seems MS was dismissing the thought, which is possibly why they kept the price what it was for so long. They're saying, "maybe you believe the PS3 is better, but how can you pass up a 360 at this price?"

My other theory is that they were waiting for the PS3 to start really making some headway until they lowered the prices as much as they have. They were "riding it out" so to speak until it was a necessity.

Now that it's gotten to the "mass market" price point, the only thing standing in its way is perception. I mean, whether you're a PS3 or Wii fanboy, it's hard to deny that the 360 has an extremely attractive lineup of games. And at this new price, it's going to be hard for anyone with any amount of gaming knowledge to avoid. MS needs to figure out how to attract those with no gaming knowledge who are in the market for a console, though. I can't see how the PS3's going to compete at these prices, but the Wii still has the perception from most people as being the "fun" console.

"MS needs to figure out how to attract those with no gaming knowledge who are in the market for a console, though"

Indeed.. they will need a lot of PR for that. The games is no problem... the marketing is (in Europe). In the US it is smooth sailing.

Still a lot of money for a very noisy and unreliable piece of electronic hardware that i know of.
ii would rather keep the price aas it is and get a more reliable peice of equipment
simple solution to all fanboys buy both a 360 and a ps3 then you can have the best of both worlds

@marshaal5 : +1!


I wish that i hadnt spent money on the thing - due to my many repairs - for OVER half of this year i havent had a 360!

Its shit. Wish i'd bought a ps3 instead... But then to be honest very few modern games actually interest me enough to buy nowadays anyhow - especially to justify spending the price of the ps3.

if i hadnt bought a 360.. i knew what i knew now.. the price drop wouldnt tempt me to buy one. Especially as i see this price drop as being a CLEAR indication that this time next year there will be a new xbox on the market.

So what?

You short on pocket money or something?

"Most people around here that are dissing MS are doing so for the silly wishful thinking of their management... "

Schizophrenia or mps, can't really tell.

"And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers."

...

Yup Xerx3s that last one really has made him a true genius among gnats.

In the words of the lol catz Les

I love reading Les' amateur business analysis, he's like Apologie except he actually believes he's intelligent, quite amusing :)

Yup comedy gold ... himself and smelly would make a great double act.

quote: "I love reading Les' amateur business analysis, he's like Apologie except he actually believes he's intelligent, quite amusing :)"


I actually agree with him

Looking at the price cut.. it seems that msoft are considering this to be the end of this gen with a new one to come very soon.

But really.. What REALLY decent games has this generation actually seen on ANY of the platforms?

Where are the HUGE games we saw of previous gens?

boring boring boring..

The only thing keeping it going are blinkered fanboys going "xbx is the BESTEST in the world!!! Yeah it might be unreliable and a bit shit.. but hey.. at least i can play my latest fps game... which is exactly the same as every other fps game i own!)

"I actually agree with him "

Well there's a surprise and a half! No offence smelly, but aren't you considered by many to be one of the most prolific anti-MS trolls this site has ever seen? You and Les are pretty much one and the same. In fact, I remember some of your comments from a while ago, you're the chap who claimed to have owned a 360 and sold it because you thought it was 'shit'. Yet a day or so later in a different thread you were once again claiming to still own a 360...Odd.

I really don't understand people like yourself and Les (or any of the other trolling fanboys here)...

Gradius well said... brings the whole rep of the site down with clowns like that and their DAILY antics(they are resorting to flat out deliberate lying these days, desperate times for Sony fanboys... thats what all that time in 3rd place has done for them, they hoped and told us in some cases that PS3 would be far ahead by this point), theres quite a few of them(add evilfoxhound to that list... trying to claim Falcon isnt FAR more reliable than Xenon/Xephyr? Sure him and all his imaginary friends all bought brand new 360s even though he despises MS/360 and they all failed...).

I realise I comment more about the trolls and fanboys more than the topics but thats my point I rarely bother these days because every topic is derailed and invaided by obsessive trolls... seriously do you think they could handle it if Sony actually did finnish in 3rd place by a clear margin? I think theyd find ways not to beleive(denial) it or just blame MS for "cheating" somehow.

Gradius -> you the dumb

" No offence smelly, but aren't you considered by many to be one of the most prolific anti-MS trolls this site has ever seen?"

uh?

Dumbass.

I *own* a 360.. And i've stated MANY MANY MANY MANY times my favourite games of this gen are ON the 360!! They being skate, dead rising and cod4.

But yes.. I am VERY against shit hardware which breaks down a lot - and would be against it WHOEVER was making it. Especially if my wii or (if i had one) ps3 broke down as much as my 360 has!


>"have owned a 360 and sold it because you thought it was 'shit'."

Yip.. my suspicions were correct. You really are dimmer than a battery powered light bulb.

I have stated that as a way of proving my point in threads where people say "console X is shit - i'm going to sell it"... 99% of the times these are 360 owners.. So it's an easy target to point out how stupid their posts are. Some stupid people (such as yourself) dont seem to get that though.

I also said recently I was *considering* selling my 360 when i got it back from repair this SIXTH time and buying a ps3. But as I stated above (if you're able to read) - I chose not to waste my money because NONE of the console this gen really have any games wihich float my boat...

Now you've just proven to everyone that you're a bit dim.. So I'll clarify.. By "NONE of the consoles" I mean.. NONE of them.. there hasnt been ANY real "must buys" for me this generation on either the 360/ps3/wii compared to the huge "must buys" of previous generations. Sure there have been games i've enjoyed (cod3/skate/dead rising/mario galaxy).. But none of them match the "greatness" of games in previous generations.


> Yet a day or so later in a different thread you were once again claiming to still own a 360...Odd.

And yes I do - numbnuts... And yes.. it DOES get more use than my wii nowadays.. but neither get much use.



NOW is it possible for someone to present a DIFFERING argument on this site without being branded "a fan" or "anti a certain console" or any of that fucking nonsense that you children seem to use because you dont want to discuss against someone elses non-blinkered arguments.

Now.. Again.. For dumb people.. I'll try to keep this simple.. The 360 has great games (some of the best games of this gen).. but the console itself is shit (due to reliability issues). The games DONT make the console itself LESS shit, as those games could easily exist on the ps3 if it was selling better. That doesnt make me "anti the xbox" that makes me - anti shit unreliable consoles.

Actually i lied.. there is ONE game which can POTENTIALLY "float my boat" and be one of this generations "truely great games".. And that's mirrors edge (hopefully - if they dont fuck it up)

And just to show no hard feelings - pm me with your gamertag and i'll add you to my list..

People still bitching at each other in this thread are they?

I wonder if MS will have another price drop in a years time..? Arcade goes down to £70 or something lol.

@smelly

So you lied about selling a console (because you thought it was shit) to make a point? Erm...OK... You see 'normal' people would call that trolling, not to mention idiotic. I also notice you use a lot of personal insults to 'try and make your point'. You're obviously not a particularly intelligent person, hence your inability to communicate in an honest or mature manner, you're obviously a very troubled little boy, so I'll leave it at that. I should have known better than to reply to your post in the first place...sigh...

"I love reading Les' amateur business analysis, he's like Apologie except he actually believes he's intelligent, quite amusing"

Come on, the only thing you clowns can come up with is simple rhetoric techniques rather than have an intelligent conversation about facts and our interpretations of them. True, I sometimes use language that might ignite the fanboy sparks in your hearts and childish though it may be, it's not by accident I must confess. It's too much fun to see people obsessing so much about an ugly (IMO) grey box that they even get upset when people analyse it's performance in the marketplace and have to arrive at an unfavourable conclusion about its attractiveness to other people while they themselves love it so much.

Here are some facts:
1) xbox 360 was the first console of its generation on the market, xbox was not;
2) xbox 360 plays most of the former sony exclusives, xbox did not;
3) xbox 360 has been much cheaper than the PS3 while the xbox was only a little cheaper than the PS2;
4) xbox 360 sells only a little better than the original xbox, almost entirely attributable to relatively strong performance in the US.

What does this tell us? In Europe, 360 isn't hot and it's very unlikely that a price drop will all of a sudden ignite consumer interest. Especially not if there is such strong opposition as the Wii.

Because of Sony dominating the last two generations, it's now seen as a success to beat them. And while it's certainly impressive, fact remains that PS3 is a royal screw-up by Sony (good machine though it may be IMO, consumers differ) and 360 still results in nothing but money down the drain for MS. Quite a hollow victory.

It's a shame really as the PS3 is a piece of shit in terms of gaming. Stupid load times and crap online. Fairplay it's free but then who gives a shit when it's crap.
Top marks for its interface and inclusion of a browser though. I suppose it just goes to show how stupidly thick our european neighbours are, I mean, you'd think the amount of wars we have would of told you that but no, it still goes on to this day.

Also, shame MS fucked it with the red light thing. lol.

"but aren't you considered by many to be one of the most prolific anti-MS trolls this site has ever seen?"

Two reasons for that:
1) The overrepresentation of harcore gamers on this site and their faboyish love for the 360 that makes it impossible for their tiny brains to differentiate between criticism and rant;
2) MS just screw up so much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWPf1BWtkw) that most of my criticism can't help but being directed towards them (but I think Sony are idiots as well if that is of any comfort to you)

It's just fun arguing with idiots that obsess about Sony being liars for showing renders and inflated specs beforehand while they don't bother about a company that sells them faulty products. Just one of the forms of hypocrisy fanboyism can lead to.

@ Les

You still have yet to provide any actual...um...evidence for all the times you say things like:

"If they're smart, they leave the console business like their investors want them to... "

"While MS has been able to build the xbox division using their Windows/Office money, investors aren’t to keen on it"

"But who knows, maybe they [Microsoft] can turn a Nintendo for the next gen, if investors will let them... "

"But like I said before [Really? I had not noticed that...], investors aren't that fond of the loss leading console division anymore"

So come on, Mr Know-All-Financial-Things, where are you getting your information from? A stock-broker man you met down the pub?

I call shenanigans on you!

/points finger

@smelly

Do you *really* believe Microsoft will put a new Xbox (as in "Xbox720") on the market next year? Sure, MS wants (and will) beat Sony to the "next-gen" but that soon? That would give them the technological edge, sure, but what happens when Sony puts out a PS4, which will be even more powerful then, by then few years old, Xbox? Or are you suggesting that MS will put out 2 consoles for every new PlayStation? Industry in general surely wouldn't like that..

One thing I'm certain: next Xbox will have two controllers in the box - good ol' joypad and some sort of Wiimote knock-off:)

@Les

I guess you and I just have a different mind set. I don't really get the point or understand the 'enjoyment' you get from purposely trying to wind people up on here. You have to remember that this is a gaming site, hence half the people you're trying to wind up are quite possibly teenagers/kids. Assuming you're an adult, you have to see that this is a pretty lame way to spend your life.

On another note, I think the reason that many people refuse to enter into a serious conversation with you regarding your analysis of the 360s future sales is because you frequent pretty much every MS article and forecast the doom of said console (I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea). You may just be baiting people for fun as you claim but by doing so, you're the one who ends up looking like a fanboy and I can't imagine any adults who do actually have a working knowledge of corporate business, consumer spending, investors, shareholders, etc, are going to bother conversing seriously with a self confessed wind-up merchant with a strange vendetta against the company in question. Other than to deride you.

i cannot see the point of this machine still... for me that is. I know most people love their FPS'

So what point is there for the other consoles!?

Haha! Pure gold! I couldn't make this up even if I wanted to! The irony is that he hammers so much on that fact that everybody posting here is a fanboy but he clearly forgets that one can safely say that you are a fanboy if you post 19+ hate posts in every thread related to the console you hate.
Even funnier when you remember that everytime you kick his logic from underneath him in the previous threads, he blankly ignores it or suddenly stops posting in the said thread.

Oh well, how CAN you have intelligent discussion with a bunch of clowns eh?

"but I think Sony are idiots as well if that is of any comfort to you"

Doesn't bother us but it does show what kind of diehard nintendo fanboy you are.