Europe gets Xbox 360 price cut

By Ellie Gibson Published 16 September, 2008

Is now cheapest machine on the market.

Microsoft has officially announced it is cutting the price of Xbox 360 in Europe.

From Friday, the Arcade unit (which doesn't have a hard drive) will cost GBP 129.99 / EUR 179.

The 60GB model is also 30 quid cheaper at GBP 169.99 / EUR 239.99. The 120GB Xbox 360 Elite will now cost GBP 229.99 / EUR 299.99

That makes Xbox 360 the cheapest console on the market, what with the Wii retailing for GBP 179.99 and the 80GB PS3 for GBP 299.99.

It's all part of Microsoft's ongoing strategy to open up the ultimate in high-definition gaming and entertainment to an even wider audience with something for everyone, as it says on the press release, and make more money, as it doesn't.

"We're proud to be expanding the reach of Xbox as the first next-generation console to break the EUR 200 / GBP 150 barrier, making the platform up to EUR 200 / GBP 170 less expensive than competitors," said European Xboxman Chris Lewis.

"History shows that the majority of console sales happen after this price point has been breached, and we're well positioned to take advantage of this mass market pricing."

Lewis went on to remind us all that Xbox 360 was the first console to sell over 20 million units worldwide, before babbling on about "the ever-expanding ecosystem of Xbox" for a bit. There will be 90 titles released for the machine between now and Christmas, don't you know, not to mention the Xbox Live overhaul.

"Plus, with well over five million consoles sold to date the combination of the strongest games line up this Christmas, really innovative entertainment experiences and these groundbreaking new price points will ensure we continue to enjoy fantastic momentum in Europe," said Lewis. "Durn't ye think sur inspectah," he did not add.

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  • Ryze #1 3 years ago

    That's right.

    Now bring the Bluray and motion controller.

  • Octoroc #2 3 years ago

    OK, now throw in a 65nm GPU and I'll buy one.

  • LHH #3 3 years ago

    Makes me want to buy some spares.

  • DanWhitehead #4 3 years ago

    I'm going to buy ten, and then make a table out of 360s for my 360 to sit on.

  • Charlie_Miso #5 3 years ago

    Pick one;

    a) hooray
    b) boo
    c) meh

  • DFawkes #6 3 years ago

    Now let's wait until Sony's clever counter-strategy of announcing no price cut. They're marketing geniuses.

    Nice to hear though, I'd consider getting one again at that price.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #7 3 years ago

    Wow - a 'proper' Xbox 360 is now cheaper than a wii! I never thought I'd see the day.

    Some 200 euro Lips bundles at christmas time, and the Spaniards and other southerners will be lapping these up.

  • Kazzahdrane #8 3 years ago

    Already had a 360 for almost 2 years and love it to bits, but hope this might encourage Sony to drop the price of the PS3. And I mean a proper price drop, not adding a bit more HDD space and keeping the price static!

  • ryohazuki1983 #9 3 years ago

    Shit. I just bought one on thursday, got a premium 60gb with a game for £210.

  • jaluuk #10 3 years ago

    Bring on another of Sony's famous pricing comments.

    You know, like "We want people to want to work overtime to buy our machine!"

    GEE THANKS SONY, I'LL STICK WITH MY 360
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 08:51

  • Lovemoose #11 3 years ago

    I'm almost tempted to buy another one just for the media centre extension stuff.

    If some desperate retailer who's looking at a duff credit crunch christmas drops the arcade price to £99 I'll be in.

  • Demento41 #12 3 years ago

    That's more like it. Sony of course will shuffle their feet as long as possible but I think this will force their hand.

  • Bleh #13 3 years ago

    Great to have this cosole "war". Always good for the customers.

  • Eraser #14 3 years ago

    BASTARDS!
    I bought the 60Gb supersize pack two weeks ago for 299 euros :(

  • berelain #15 3 years ago

    Damn.

    That's pretty cheap. Almost half the price of the PS3 for even the premium model, and less than the Wii? If I didn't already have one, I'd buy one.

  • Doctor_What #16 3 years ago

    Now all you need to do is spend £120 more and it'll be almost equal to what you get out of the box with the PS3 (except you won't have the bluray player).

    It's great PR marketing, but it's not actually a very good deal!

  • Daymare #17 3 years ago

    If *this* doesn't make X360 sell more, nothing ever will.

  • JohnnyWashnGo #18 3 years ago

    This really highlights just how detached from reality Sony really is.

    £300 for their console is now just too high when compared to the 360 and the Wii. Any sane person looking to buy a new console in the next few months, in the run up to christmas, will be crossing the PS3 off of their list almost instantly. The Wii and the 360 have the edge in terms of both games content andnow price.

    In the current economic climate, Sony will need to recognise this fact and do something about it or face finishing last in this generations console wars.

  • bioreit #19 3 years ago

    Sooooo pleased I didn't buy Elite no. 2 (360 no. 3) this weekend like I planned! Now I can get that *and* PS3 no. 1 in the same month! Although I might wait and see what bundles the stores put together. And whether Sony will drop the price of PS3 for Christmas. Which they really almost have to now.

  • AndyboyH #20 3 years ago

    Now all they need is to reduce the price of the hard drives :S

  • asphaltcowboy #21 3 years ago

    Wow, didn't see that coming (I actually didn't). I thought we just had a price cut? Oh well, hurray for us! :)

  • Lovemoose #22 3 years ago

    Now all you need to do is spend £120 more and it'll be almost equal to what you get out of the box with the PS3
    Really? What would that be?

  • Vanmunt #23 3 years ago

    There is a saying in business 'any mug can give it away'... still, it not worth buying the arcade but that is a crazy price. The only problem is more little Johnny's getting one for chrimbo and even more pubecent obnoxious brats on live!!!

  • Arwin #24 3 years ago

    Hopefully this leads to a price drop of the PS3 to 299, as that's the price I'll get a second one for.

    These are some impressive looking prices though (stress on looking,what with all the hidden costs - I upgraded my wifi equipped PS3 with BluRay player to 320GB for 70 euros the other day and continue to enjoy some excellent online gaming and can continue to share my logitech wheels back from the PS2 era with the PC, hint hint, not to mention being able to read Eurogamer watch forums and stream video from webpages ;) ).

    Still, it's impressive. The 360 is doing really well, and especially for Europe I am impressed with the pricing! Microsoft is making some good strides. Now lets hope the software keeps up. The only 360 exclusive that I think I might actually be interested in is Fable 2, and as yet I am wholly unsure I'lll even like that game. Arcade continues to be a disappointment to me. Microsoft, please, pretty please rip-off the wii motion controller (preferably in plus variant). Combined with XNA (which I'm a subscriber to, too bad I just became a father so I'm just wasting money right now) that could be a killer.

  • Goffee #25 3 years ago

    Remember to add a HDMI cable to your shopping list (or is that included now?)

  • siro #26 3 years ago

    Bought my 360 some time before the 60 gb version had been announced. Bummer, as I'd really like to install all those games...

  • Xerx3s #27 3 years ago

    "Now all you need to do is spend £120 more and it'll be almost equal to what you get out of the box with the PS3 (except you won't have the bluray player).

    It's great PR marketing, but it's not actually a very good deal! "

    Heh, spot the sdf.

  • LHH #28 3 years ago

    @ Arwin.

    That's the most polite "I don't like the 360" post ever!

  • FooAtari #29 3 years ago

    £170 for a proper 360 is pretty decent. Could pick on up and 2 or 3 really good games for £200. Should go down well at Crimbo I think.

    Now all you need to do is spend £120 more and it'll be almost equal to what you get out of the box with the PS3 (except you won't have the bluray player)

    Seriosuly, shut up.

    I do think the 360 dropped the ball a little not having wireless built in. But tbh most people don't care about Blu-ray at the moment and it will be a good few years before/if it get's a decent chuck of the market share. On my 32" 720p TV there is a slight difference but it's not really worth the price of entry as it is at the moment.
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 09:29

  • realworld666 Verified Lead Programmer, Fuzzy-Frog Games #30 3 years ago

    Sony won't drop their price. It's not what customers want. They want more "value".

  • jmg123 #31 3 years ago

    At £129 I am tempted to buy an xbox now, it'll compliment my Wii and PS3 nicely, lucky I have just wired up the whole house with cat5e cable, seeing as m$ make you pay extra for wireless. Anyone who has both - is the media extender functionality an better than the PS3 streaming options?

  • betahoven #32 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:36:16 17-12-2011

  • bioreit #33 3 years ago

    @ jmg123

    Not sure about 'better' - they both do the same types of files, by and large - but it does integrate nicer. And lets you stream MC-recorded TV. It is a lot louder than the PS3, though, remember...

  • gabsta69 #34 3 years ago

    after two attemps to fix my xbox of the dreaded RROD ( ihad to do it myself as the warranty was void) i can now go out on Friday and get me a new one!!!

  • septimus #35 3 years ago

    Sony really need to respond with at least a £80 price drop or they are going to get raped this christmas.

  • BadDevotions #36 3 years ago

    @jmg123 - i've just had the same done to my house :D cat5e throughout... sweeeeeet

    i am seriously considering buying another now as i spend 3 nights a week away from home, I'd no longer need to cart my 360 around. Just simply take the HDD with me and a few games.

    Wish they'd drop the price of the ps3 though - can't see me getting that one past the missus.

  • Widge #37 3 years ago

    I got mine past missus control under the guise of "well we have this rather nice TV now... might as well put nice visuals on it" proviso.
    Now I've got Buzz, she doesn't care at all!

  • captainrentboy #38 3 years ago

    Haha LHH, I thought exactly the same whilst reading Arwin's post :)
    Frankly I think the 360's at a bloody fantastic price now, and whilst it doesn't have Blu-Ray or Wifi built in, it does have a back catalogue containing some fantastic software, with quite a few more corking looking titles due pretty soon, and surely that's the biggest concern for someone who's after a games machine.

    Come on now Sony, get dropping.
    Another £50-80 off and we're in business, I want Iron Man on Blu ray God damn.

  • marshaal5 #39 3 years ago

    never mind the blu ray how about a console that lasts longer than a year without getting 3 red lights.
    and yes ihave got 1 (my 3rd by the way).
    ask yourself this also would they have dropped the price without the competition from sony/nintendo ?
    me thinks not.

  • Widge #40 3 years ago

    the next six months are bumper games catalogue time for both machines though...

  • paulf #41 3 years ago

    @jmg123 since i've got my ps3 i've never used the xbox 360 as a media centre - i'd say the ps3 is much better - xbox360 is a great gaming machine though and a bargain at this price

    the cynical side of me thinks they are making it so cheap so that people who get the rrod will just buy a new one rather than sending the old one back though ;)

  • captainrentboy #42 3 years ago

    Huh^^^?
    Surely the competition between the three is what it's all about :/ And with Nintendo raping them both in every hole possible, they've got to do some drastic things to claw a bit of the market back.
    Hence Microsoft dropping the price, and Sony, errmmmm, putting bigger hard drives on.
    (aimed at Marshal btw)
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 09:56

  • asphaltcowboy #43 3 years ago

    ask yourself this also would they have dropped the price without the competition from sony/nintendo ?
    me thinks not.

    Er... welcome to Capitalism. What a ridiculous comment to make.

  • trav #44 3 years ago

    never mind the blu ray how about a console that lasts longer than a year without getting 3 red lights.

    Amen to that. I'm on my sixth console since launch. Would of given up long ago if there wasn't games I wanted to play on it.

  • JonFE #45 3 years ago

    "ask yourself this also would they have dropped the price without the competition from sony/nintendo ?
    me thinks not.    "

    @Marshaal5: While you're at it, ask yourself this: How much more would the PS3 cost, had it launch with no competition at all, riding the "100+ million PS2's sold" wave?

  • millerlfc #46 3 years ago

    I'm moving house in 6 weeks time, and once I'm settled a 360 will be one of my first purchases!

  • El-Dev #47 3 years ago

    How does this reflect badly on Sony ? I'm thinking the other way, MS drop their prices several times in one year and yet have been continually outsold by PS3 this year, except in august. MS probably could have had this console war wrapped up already, if instead of running around for months yelling "We've got Halo and Gears of War!" got a few more games, without paying millions for them amd stopped Sony getting a strong foothold in the market place.

    Still won't be buying one though even at this new lower price, I know I just wouldn't be assed playin it.

  • captainrentboy #48 3 years ago

    Too true bog_head.
    They could also chuck in an effective marketing campaign with the price drop.
    Can't see that happening though.

  • Dizzy #49 3 years ago

    I think I am going to hand them out as XMas gifts now.

  • Monkey_Puncher #50 3 years ago

    Have to agree on the VP2, Microsoft have once again shown their complete inability to market anything that isn't a shooter or a driving game. VP2 deserves a really good marketing push as it's a really great game, unfortunatly once again it's gonna be completly ignored because most people won't even know it exists.

    I might pick up a Premium at this price for a back up and a larger hardrive.

  • X201 #51 3 years ago

    MS, tell me when I can get a Jasper and then I'll by one. Simple really.

  • Les #52 3 years ago

    "History shows that the majority of console sales happen after this price point has been breached, and we're well positioned to take advantage of this mass market pricing."

    Yes, but those were popular consoles, not ill manufactured crap with a hardcore image. MS's wishful thinking with regards to price is getting pathetic.

  • miiiguel #53 3 years ago

    First time I see some (few though, at least that...) ppl bitching because something is less expensive. Fuckin hilarious!

  • peteb #54 3 years ago

    yea but they were popular consoles because of the price

  • miiiguel #55 3 years ago

    Les only comments MS news, he has nigthmares with litle windows and gates.

  • BiscuitBase #56 3 years ago

    I feel like buying a second one so I can have one in the front room and one in the bedroom. Maybe one to go in the bathroom as well for some quality "geometry wars while shitting" action.

  • captainrentboy #57 3 years ago

    Les posting negative comments in a Microsoft related story?? Surely fucking not!

  • bioreit #58 3 years ago

    I'm just waiting for Les to start talking about MS shareholders, without actually posting any facts to back up his points...

  • moggsy #59 3 years ago

    It's simple really, if you're a gamer and you don't own and won't now buy an Xbox 360 then what the hell are you playing at? Reliability blah, noise meh, shooters only blah. Just chuffing buy one and enjoy it like the rest of the Xbox 360 community do. Doesn't mean you have to love your PS2, PS3 or Wii any less ;-)

  • GamerG #60 3 years ago

    Look at all the SDF making this out tp be a bad thing, the slowness of the 360's price cuts has really hindered them this generation and that was almost certainly down to having to fork out for the RROD issue. Now they have reliable hardware they can start pumping it out to the masses.

    The 360 is a clever design, the arcade without a HD is little more than a circuit board with a cheap DVD drive, it can and will go lower in price than the original xbox. MS then bump up the cost by adding margin the accessories exactly like Sony did with PS1 and Ps2 (£30 memory card anyone?).

  • Les #61 3 years ago

    "yea but they were popular consoles because of the price"

    No they weren't. You make the same mistake as MS: overestimating the impact of price. Wii wil continue to outsell 360 easily despite a higher price point. Price is irrelevant if people don't want what you're offering. And the masses have made it pretty clear they don't want a 360, they want a Wii.

  • Les #62 3 years ago

    "I'm just waiting for Les to start talking about MS shareholders, without actually posting any facts to back up his points..."

    lol

  • amarje #63 3 years ago

    Now MS did exactly the same which Sony did with PSX. Constantly bring the price down till some point.

    But 5 times quicker!

  • thewolfiv #64 3 years ago

    "I'm going to buy ten, and then make a table out of 360s for my 360 to sit on"

    Can you imagine the noise? a 747 would not touch that.

  • peteb #65 3 years ago

    @Les

    I think you are underestimating the impact of price to be honest. There comes a point where the price means people start thinking, "well sure its only... i'll give it a shot"

    Lets just agree to disagree eh?

  • moggsy #66 3 years ago

    Also the reason Sony won't do a price cut is because they can't. Including the blu ray drive and the cell chip in the PS3's hardware design was a massive mistake. Yes the PS3 is selling ok but will it ever sell in the same numbers as the PS2? I doubt it but I suspect if they hadn't used such exotic hardware the price would already be down to £200 and so instead of just slightly selling more than MS in Europe they would be trouncing them.

    Sony are still suffering for the decisions made during the hardware design phase (which, of course, MS have also suffered from too).

  • Widge #67 3 years ago

    @ moggsy

    I'm trying to keep to just one box under the TV, regardless of price!

    @ seamonsterneil

    yeah, if I was to get one, I wouldn't want the cruddy low price point version, because just like the Wii, you'd have to bolt on loads of accessories to get it up to speed.

    Only because LBP is coming around am I now not begrudging having to fork out £23 for a DS3... means I can give the madam the non-vibe model for co-op fun!
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 11:12

  • Les #68 3 years ago

    "I think you are underestimating the impact of price to be honest. There comes a point where the price means people start thinking, "well sure its only... i'll give it a shot"

    Only if people decide to not buy something because of the price. But if they're not interested in it in the first place, price drops don't matter. The price difference between 360 and Wii (before this drop) wasn't big enough to explain the huge sales lead of Wii as being down to its lower price.

    But fine, let's disagree. ;)
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 11:13

  • paulf #69 3 years ago

    'Also the reason Sony won't do a price cut is because they can't. Including the blu ray drive and the cell chip in the PS3's hardware design was a massive mistake'

    you could argue the one of the major missions of the ps3 was to push blu-ray over hd-dvd- and in that sense they have won that war - so i wouldnt call that a massive mistake

  • Widge #70 3 years ago

    Considering my aims to have a one box mission, the combo of games machine, bluray player, upscaling DVD player, wireless/divx player, media player all in box is a wonderful hardware design. Yes, its expensive, but bloody worth it. Its a shame that PlayTV isn't worked into one box (and if it is, I will be trading in my 60gb model!).

    Maybe a mega one with a surround decoder built into it too next time too? ;D

    Completely silent fan for media modes next time though, gets a bit lairy when upscaling DVD for my liking.

  • Les #71 3 years ago

    "Also the reason Sony won't do a price cut is because they can't."

    Of course they can. They rather won't because it will eat into their profits/increase their losses but if the 360 price cut threatens to put the 360 ahead in Europe, you can bet Sony will drop the price. But TBH, I don't think it will make much of a difference (except for the next two weeks of course ;) ).

  • GamerG #72 3 years ago

    I think Howard Stringer has put a stop on any further PS3 price cuts for at least a while, hence Sony beating around the bush by messing around with Hard drive sizes.

    Demand for the 360 at these prices will be immense, imagine a gears of war 2 ad with "now from £129.99", les can dismiss it all he wants but the 360 will sell gang busters this Christmas

  • penguin_overlord #73 3 years ago

    Firstly, the real winner here is the consumer. I wouldn't personally buy a 360 because it's yesterday's technology (no built-in wi-fi or hi-def disc system? what's that all about?) but for a lot of people there's no doubt that the 360 represents good value for money.

    The Arcade model remains just a PR exercise to have a really console though. Ok, it is possible to play any game you can buy on the high street on it but it's next to useless if you want to go online and download things. Who really in their right mind would buy one when for just £30 more they could have a 60GB HD? In fact, they wouldn't even be saving £30 as they'd have to buy a memory card anyway.

    And as others have said on here, it seems like Microsoft's main strategy against the competition is to keep dropping the price but the PS3 has been almost consistently been outselling the 360 all year even at a higher price. It would be interesting if that continues after this price drop. I'm sure Sony will be monitoring this closely before deciding on any price drop themselves but I think we can be sure they'll avoid any knee-jerk reaction. A £250 PS3 before Christmas would put the cat among the pigeons though.

  • Widge #74 3 years ago

    I like cats

  • mingster #75 3 years ago

    widge- does the ps3 get louder when playing divx's from the HDD?
    (how mouch louder?) I'm thinking of replacing my XBMC soon and a PS3 would be a good option.
    Does it play all DivX's, Xvids and AVi's these days? how about ubtitle support for my jap/chinese films?

  • oceanmotion #76 3 years ago

    I think seeing how people are having to spend so much on just living, the 360 has a great chance over the others. You think parents and kids are going to fork out for a £300 PS3 and then you might have a damn hard to find Wii. 360 has a chance of getting all those people.

    Microsoft also needs to release a statement saying the new Jasper is shipping. That means everyone will get over the RROD and feel safe buying one.

  • SteveB #77 3 years ago

    @Widge

    I agree that if you are on a "one box mission" for media and gaming then the PS3 is the one to buy as the 360 is too noisy for me to use as a media player. However at this price why deny yourself the 360's excellent (dare I say it...arguably superior) games catalogue ?
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 11:43

  • paulf #78 3 years ago

    @mingster - the ps3 has handled every file i've thrown at it - including hd mkv's divx etc etc, it's virtually silent when playing off the hdd and I've found it a great replacement for xmbc (subtitles work fine too) - tbh i think its worth the asking price as a media player alone

  • Rash' #79 3 years ago

    All round smart move. Bundle in the casual games at round that price with a good marketing campaign and MS will be laughing... Not as hard as Ninty, but still a lot louder than Sony. The Japanese giant will have to respond.

  • Widge #80 3 years ago

    I've not watched anything off the HDD for a bit. In general, it sometimes bumps up a notch, but I've noticed performance change over the various firmware updates. Its a bit more intelligent now. So it bumps up, but goes down again after a bit. In the past it use to go up a notch and just stay there. Not the same speed it gets up to when you game for quite a bit though.

    I am picky though, I consider any fan noise is fan noise too much.

    I think it is good for most DivX's. I've heard that it might have an issue with some that used packed bitstreams (I've also heard this happens on some DivX DVD players too). You can get a tool that unpacks them nice and quickly though.

    I've done my own rip using AutoGK and its fine with that. MKV files you just bung through mkv2vob (nice simple GUI on this program) and it dumps out an mp4, all HD and lovely!

    As soon as I discovered the media streaming, I was sold on this. I'd be grabbing an episode of 24, having to bung through vso for a good couple of hours. Big waste of money really. Now I'm just doing it all off the cuff pretty much and in HD. mkv2vob is certainly the way to go!

    I will copy my own rip of Shrek to the HDD, I did it at maximum quality and full AC3 sound and give you a run down of how it sounds fanwise.

  • mcmonkeyplc #81 3 years ago

    I like dogs

  • KingOfTheC #82 3 years ago

    When did it happen that a price drop suddenly became a bad thing?

    I won't benefit from the price drop because I was an early adopter so price drops mean nothing to me.

    However, for parents who are wanting to buy consoles for their children this Christmas, if it's a choice of one console for £150 and another for £300, and both basically play the same games at basically the same quality (forget exclusives etc because neither actually have many exclusives worth playing let's face it) then they would likely choose the 360, what sort of rational consumer would do otherwise? That is of course unless they were interested in a Bluray player.

    Thing is, people who are wanting one of these consoles at this point are likely not interested in Bluray. We spend our time reading games websites, of course we're early adopters to new technology, those who are buying a console now which has been out for between 2 and 3 years are obviously not that interested in being on the pinnacle of technology.

    On saying that, if PS3 drops its price, my bonus might be spent badly on a third console...

  • moggsy #83 3 years ago

    'you could argue the one of the major missions of the ps3 was to push blu-ray over hd-dvd- and in that sense they have won that war - so i wouldnt call that a massive mistake'

    Yes, they won that war but the question still remains - was it a war worth winning?

  • captainrentboy #84 3 years ago

    ''I wouldn't personally buy a 360 because it's yesterday's technology (no built-in wi-fi or hi-def disc system? what's that all about?) but for a lot of people there's no doubt that the 360 represents good value for money.''

    And up to this point in time, how exactly has either of those terrible omissions affected the GAMES?
    Silly, silly fanboy.
    Ohh and when posting fanboy rants disguised as the comments of a normal person you might want to check your facts. The Arcade system comes with memory.

  • GamerG #85 3 years ago

    penguin_overlord

    the 60gig model is £40 more and the arcade includes a 256mb memory card so is not far off a PS2 price once you add that into the Ps2's cost

  • Widge #86 3 years ago

    Of the 360 catalogue that I miss its the jRPGs and perhaps Halo 3. Its the entire "of things that interest me" disclaimer!

    Luckily I've got a gaming laptop so Mass Effect, Gears and stuff can sit on that if I want, plus its portable. Looking at the future though, good few RPGs coming out, my pre-order £age is over the £200 mark. I've not finished off loads of games so I can't really justify another console.

    Maybe in the future though, I mean I got my xbox for £60 with 5 games late on, promptly enjoyed Shenmue 2 and Halo 2. Next gen, if MS make some slinky do all box, bluray, silent, the works as standard ... perhaps some consideration.

  • marshaal5 #87 3 years ago

    My earlier post that has attracted quite a lot of "flaming" for some reason was just trying to point out to the fanboys who think microsoft are so good and sony are so bad that without competition there would be no price drops. Simply put microsoft have a stranglehold on the pc market and look what that has cost us over the years. They pay millions fpor exclusive dc that should be on the disc anyway and then no one else can have it unless you buy there console.(which i repeat i have one of)
    All these console makers need to survive or else we will all be priced out of the market. simple as that. so if this price cut forces sonys hand then good i am all for it never said i wasnt

  • Ranger101 #88 3 years ago

    Holy crap, I'm going to have to buy one now.

  • moggsy #89 3 years ago

    'Next gen, if MS make some slinky do all box, bluray, silent, the works as standard ... perhaps some consideration. '

    I suspect next gen will be download only with no optical media drive. Coming to a store near you in 2010.

  • Widge #90 3 years ago

    People are interested in bluray though. Loads of casual types, going out and buying their fancy flat thin TVs, getting their Sky HD to give them the high def footy, their iPhone with beer drinking application fun thing, the word is out about a high def DVD player doohicky and its bluray. The average bod is a lot more gadget inclined than before. It could factor in the decision regardless of the price. I've got my nice HD TV and I want my bluray to go in it. Some people could see the loss of HD-DVD as some betamax scenario and think "oh hey, thats the technology that is going out" and associate that with the 360.

  • Widge #91 3 years ago

    ok, big hard drive, no optical but SILENT. This applies to both MS and Sony.

    Although I reckon optical will still be here. If only for this reason:

    [link url=http://gizmodo.com/5048025/giz -explains-why-hd-video-downloads-arent-very-high-def
    ]http://gi zmodo.com/5048025/giz-explains-...[/link]

    apart from the fact that even with downloads available, people love owning something tangible.

  • miiiguel #92 3 years ago

    @ Widge: the big chunck of the "mass market" of gaming consoles are aimed at school kids who care very little for Blu Ray movies. Diferent targets, I guess.
    I can only talk about what I see here in Lisbon, but Blu Ray is close to non-existant. They are usually placed side by side with vinyl records, a very, very niche group.

  • Mr_Majestik #93 3 years ago

    Problem is for Microsoft is that it's preaching to the converted and arn't really appealing beyond it's traditional young male market.
    No amount of price cuts are going to make much diffrence if they don't get some software that intrestes the mass market. At the mo it's a console strictly for geeks.

  • Widge #94 3 years ago

    You've got Sky continually ramming the fact that HD is light years ahead of normal TV, please subscribe to our service please. So one thing at the forefront of HD TV owners is that they should be feeding it some decent meat. With their old Sky+ apparently out of date, the next box they look at is the DVD player.

  • miiiguel #95 3 years ago

    "At the mo it's a console strictly for geeks."
    I really hope they stay that way, to go "mass market" they already have Windows, they surely can continue to indulge us with the games we love.

  • moggsy #96 3 years ago

    @ Mr_Majestik

    Don't worry they have other tricks up their sleeve, with the dashboard refresh being one of them.

  • Widge #97 3 years ago

    Well at least this is a fun debate! Official "worst day of the week" Tuesday is skipping by nicely.
    I love you guys.

  • miiiguel #98 3 years ago

    And Sporting Lisbon is playng Barcelona later on! (better be happy now, 'cos later I really doubt... ;) )

  • moggsy #99 3 years ago

    @ marshaal5

    Simply put microsoft have a stranglehold on the pc market and look what that has cost us over the years.

    Go on then - what has it cost us? Is an international standard for operating systems not generally a good thing? Is Windows really that bad - I use it at work and at home and I never have a great issue with it - it gets the job done.

    They pay millions fpor exclusive dc that should be on the disc anyway and then no one else can have it unless you buy there console.(which i repeat i have one of)

    I think you're referring to the GTAIV exclusive DLC - how would you put this on the disc when it hadn't even been developed? Would you have happily waited another year for the extra content to be included on the disc?
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 12:11

  • johnnybrn #100 3 years ago

    We are in a recession and amidst a global economic crisis. Come christmas a lot of people will be out of jobs.

    So a £150 console over a £300 console. Not really a choice is it?

  • Widge #101 3 years ago

    As far as I've heard, Microsoft is aiming to standardise the PC gaming market further, its the millions of permutations of hardware specs etc that cause the big grief. How they are setting out doing this, I have no idea, but as far as I'm concerned, that is a good aim.

  • penguin_overlord #102 3 years ago

    Hey, why are people ranting about my post.

    Anyway, I just forgot that the Arcade model already came with a memory card, although my point about it being a pretty pointless purchase compared to the 60GB model remains.

    As for my comments about the omission of a hi-def disc system, MGS4 makes extensive use of the extra capacity, as do the forthcoming LBP and Resistance 2. Ok, yes it is perhaps possible to still have games that require extra storage capacity on the 360 by supplying on separate discs but I personally like the idea of everything being on one.

    And to the person who said that the Arcade is now close to the price of a PS2, yes, you're right but the PS2 still remains a more impulsive purchase and typically people who are buying PS2's (perhaps for their son's room) aren't using a HD screen with it so the benefits are not clear.

  • Widge #103 3 years ago

    If you are out of a job, you're not going to even spend £150!

  • Ranger101 #104 3 years ago

    What utter tripe in this thread.

    A hardware manufacturer has just announced a price cut for their hardware, and this is cause for some sort of love-in/hate-in for an inanimate object.

    Also, the complete lack of marketing understanding displayed by some folks is astounding.

    HD = Niché. Get over it - be glad that you can afford a HD TV and all the doohickeys that go with it, but most of us out here don't have HD TV's and don't care. I just want to play a new console with new games, and I don't want to spend lots of money on it. Stop trying to convince yourself and everyone else that your purchase was justified. I don't care. Most of us "casuals" don't care.

    Simple fact is, I can now justify purchasing a next-gen console that isn't a Wii, to play on my standard def TV, because the price range has dropped into my budget. I wasn't planning on buying a console this year, but I am now. MS got there first.

  • asphaltcowboy #105 3 years ago

    My earlier post that has attracted quite a lot of "flaming" for some reason was just trying to point out to the fanboys who think microsoft are so good and sony are so bad that without competition there would be no price drops.

    Well done genius. You passed Extremely Basic Economics 101... This system has been in place for goodness knows how long. I fail to see what it has to do with fanboys and MS and Sony though? Everyone knows that there would be no price drops without competition. It's known as a monopoly. What are you telling us for?

  • stepneg #106 3 years ago

    Come on Sony now drop the price of the PS3, a £199 package for Xmas and I'm in.

  • banjo21 #107 3 years ago

    Fantastic - worth getting a spare Arcade for downstairs for those rare hours when missy hands over bigger TV and lounge comforts.

    Nintendo should be ashamed/laughing their socks away that their piece of plastic is now more expensive than a full-fat X360 and hey ho peeps still buy it.

    Sony still a good price though esp with BD player and Wipeout around the corner at long last giving it another AAA game after MGS4 to differentiate it from 360.

  • JediMasterMalik #108 3 years ago

    Great news.

  • busboy33 #109 3 years ago

    @ranger:

    Dammit man, the nonsensical fan crap was slowly growing into a perfect storm of obsession . . . and you waltz in here and start using rationality and making points and generally pissing all over my voyeuristic jollies.

    ass.

  • Madafunkola #110 3 years ago

    I wonder if an Xbox 360 is included in the (UK) governments "inflation shopping basket"?
    This price cut would bring the RPI down a bit for next month = recession avoided.
    Thanks M$oft for solving our economic crisis.

  • drumbaby #111 3 years ago

    Think I'll spend money on PS3 games that won't break.

  • Ranger101 #112 3 years ago

    I like the way Madafunkola thinks.

    Madafunkola for prime minister!

  • X201 #113 3 years ago

    @WooHoo!!!

    "Microsoft also needs to release a statement saying the new Jasper is shipping. That means everyone will get over the RROD and feel safe buying one. "

    As far as my personal situation goes, it really is that simple. I will buy one when they become available.

  • onyxbox #114 3 years ago

    It's still too expensive... it's a faulty piece of junk.

    BTW: Mine RRoD'd last night :-(

  • chronom4n #115 3 years ago

    just bought an elite bundle from GAME about 3 weeks ago and I mighty fucked off. If i had held on a little bit longer I would have saved myself some money. still having played the games, it seems decent value for money although the noise was killing me in the beginning but somehow my sense have got used to it. All SONY have to do now is seriously drop the price of their machine and I mean seriously drop the price to about £250 quid max and they will have my vote. But anyways i just can't believe ms have done this and at the end of the day, it shows they they are desperate to get the machine into as many households as possible but i just can't wait for when joe public thinks that they have bought a jumbo jet when they switch it on!

  • Stuz359 #116 3 years ago

    I remember when Nintendo got desperate with the Gamecube

  • oupe #117 3 years ago

    @ranger

    Simple fact is, I can now justify purchasing a next-gen console that isn't a Wii, to play on my standard def TV, because the price range has dropped into my budget. I wasn't planning on buying a console this year, but I am now. MS got there first.

    This is quite tricky. I used my 360 on an SD tv as well, only to find out that text in games is very difficult to read (viva pinata was almost unplayable due to the small fonts in combination with the weird colours).

    Normally you should be fine but you´ll wish you had a HDTV very soon.

  • mcwildcard #118 3 years ago

    I think this is MS pre-empting a PS3 price cut, Sony have always chosen Oct as a key month for price drops, so if they had decided to do one, it'll look like a reaction to the MS one now, so MS can get that PR wheel in motion stating Sony are running scared.
    Personally, I'm not waiting for the 360 to hit a super low price point before I buy, I just want there to a reasonably priced model that runs quietly.

  • Madafunkola #119 3 years ago

    @Ranger
    Thank you for your support - I shall be petitioning Gordy to step down this afternoon and look forward to your vote at the coming elections.

  • pinhead #120 3 years ago

    Get me a 65nm complete Jasper, with quieter fans/DVD drive and I jumping in (again).

  • Les #121 3 years ago

    "imagine a gears of war 2 ad with "now from £129.99", les can dismiss it all he wants but the 360 will sell gang busters this Christmas"

    People that care about games like gears 2 already own a 360. The lower price might attract casuals (but it won't because there's a better alternative in the Wii) or kids (but it won't as there's a better alternative in the Wii). Leaves us with people that already have a 360. Some might be willing to buy an insurance console, you never know what happens... 360's last drop did nothing, Wii is as strong as ever. It'll be a Wii holiday season again.

  • kinky_mong #122 3 years ago

    Nobody wants a Xbox 360 (apart from the Xbots who want a backup one). Every one desires a PS3.

    I don't want one. I'd rather spend the £300 on games for my 360 and Wii because I've no interest in MGS4 and LBP.

    On a different note why are people saying Viva Pinata 2 got no advertising? You can't click more than two pages on here or CVG without seeing a big banner advert for it.

  • Les #123 3 years ago

    "As far as I've heard, Microsoft is aiming to standardise the PC gaming market further"

    Who would have thought they'd ever try to emulate Apple?! ;)

  • GamerG #124 3 years ago

    les

    you really are an idiot

    "everyone who wants a 360 already has one"

    Rubbish, most PS2 sales didn't occur until this sort of pricing, there's still tonnes of people who have not gone next gen yet

    "360's last drop did nothing"

    Once again wrong, Sony themselves stated that the cut boosted sales of 360 over PS3 in the whole of Europe including the south european countries where MS have always struggled

    You really need to get back into reality world

  • Les #125 3 years ago

    "On a different note why are people saying Viva Pinata 2 got no advertising? You can't click more than two pages on here or CVG without seeing a big banner advert for it."

    Because they must think of some reason for it failing in the market place other than it being ill targeted to a demographic that wants shooters and driving games... ;)

  • Doctor_What #126 3 years ago

    I love the way that I get told to b*gger off as soon as I question how good value for money the Arcade model really is. It seems daft that you can't say that something isn't as good value as it seems without being accused of being immensely biased.

    In my house, and I suspect in the house of anyone who cares much about their games, wi-fi and a hard disc are essential. You're adding £80 to the price of the Arcade, making it not such good value as it first seems.

    As I said in my first comment (before everyone seemed to decide that I was a Sony fanboy), this price drop is just a PR move. You still have to pay £200 to get the console working in any particularly useful way. It'll probably shift a lot more units as a result the drop, but there will be a fair few people afterwards who are annoyed that they have to fork out more money to get the system into a useful state.

    [... And yes, I do still think that the PS3 offers good value for money. The 360 has better games overall, but the PS3 has many very good games too as well as lots of other features. Whether it's better value for money that £180-200 for a reasonable Xbox 360 setup is debatable. For the media capabilities of the PS3 (ease of streaming music and video to my living room, a user interface my girlfriend can work, and the bluray player) I'd say it's definitely worth it. I use both systems quite frequently, but I just find the PS3 more useful on a daily basis.]

  • Les #127 3 years ago

    "Rubbish, most PS2 sales didn't occur until this sort of pricing, there's still tonnes of people who have not gone next gen yet"

    Xbox and GC also fell to that price level and it didn't help much because the PS2 was a wanted commodity while the other two weren't. Just like this time 360 isn't desireable, Wii is.

    "Once again wrong, Sony themselves stated that the cut boosted sales of 360 over PS3 in the whole of Europe including the south european countries where MS have always struggled"

    For about a week...

  • Xerx3s #128 3 years ago

    heh, posting his pure comedy gold again I see. One might actually think that he feels insecure or something.

  • moggsy #129 3 years ago

    @ Confounder

    On a thread about Xbox 360 price cuts, most people are talking about wanting to see a PS3 price cut. This just goes to show that the PS3 is a desirable system where as Xbox 360 is cheap as chips and fast getting out dated.

    Or that most gamers on this gaming forum already own the superior gaming console and would like a blu ray player to go with it? ;-)

  • dr_faulk #130 3 years ago

    Microsoft = win

  • Les #131 3 years ago

    "heh, posting his pure comedy gold again I see. One might actually think that he feels insecure or something."

    Look who's been reading "Cheap debating skills Volume 1"... :(

  • Lovemoose #132 3 years ago

    You still have to pay £200 to get the console working in any particularly useful way.

    This is, of course, incorrect. You need to work harder on your argument.

  • Doctor_What #133 3 years ago

    @ Ranger101: "HD = Niché. Get over it - be glad that you can afford a HD TV and all the doohickeys that go with it, but most of us out here don't have HD TV's and don't care."

    Cheap HD TV sets are similar prices to normal sets these days and are now outselling SD TVs very quickly (according to several staff in Dixons and Currys that I've asked about this).

    Most games are designed on HDTVs. I know one very major developer who, when one of their staff asked if they should test it to what it looked like on SD, said 'We don't care about SD.' The staff member thought that was bloody stupid at the time, and they have patched it after release increase the quality of the SD visuals, but it shows the attitude of the games industry to SD TVs.

    Most companies developing for the 360 and PS3 now assume that the player will see the game in HD. We work all day on HD monitors and probably only see it in SD once every few months, if at all. Personally I'd rather this wasn't the case, but that's the reality of it.

    To put it another way, you might think it's niche, but the people making your games don't and they are increasingly correct.

  • stepneg #134 3 years ago

    @moggsy

    "Or that most gamers on this gaming forum already own the superior gaming console and would like a blu ray player to go with it?"

    Damn right, I already own a 360 and wouldn't mind a PS3 for some exclusives and try out blu ray but I'm not paying £300 for that. Hopefully Sony will have to drop the price now so everyone wins!

  • Doctor_What #135 3 years ago

    @Lovemoose: ""You still have to pay £200 to get the console working in any particularly useful way."

    This is, of course, incorrect. You need to work harder on your argument. "

    £130 for the Arcade, £55 for the wi-fi, £30+ for a harddrive... My mistake, it's more than £200.

    Yes, these things are not essential, but you've only got half a machine without getting it online or being able to download games, patches (such as the new and free DLC in Burnout Paradise), and other content like trailers onto your harddrive. I'd say those are features that fit into the 'particularly useful' description.

  • Negotiator #136 3 years ago

    The price is just too good to ignore, I think at least in the UK MS will see huge sales with this price cut. Sony won't be able to follow suit because they lose money on every PS3 as it is, so a price cut is out of the question. The rest of europe is the problem for MS, but if they beat Sony in the UK and the US and I think they will, they will finish in second place this gen.

  • Les #137 3 years ago

    "Hopefully Sony will have to drop the price now so everyone wins!"

    Well, except for Sony of course... ;)

    But seriously, most posts around here are about 360 vs. PS3. Agreed that that battle is a tight one and therefore interesting but this price drop is aimed at getting the 360 accepted by the masses and thus in Wii teritory. And there MS simply doesn't stand a chance, no matter what price they sell the machine at. Maybe the Wii hype will be over by chrismas 2009 but that will come way too late for the 360. Maybe they'll have better luck next gen.

  • BartonFink #138 3 years ago

    onyxbox

    It's still too expensive... it's a faulty piece of junk.

    BTW: Mine RRoD'd last night :-(

    What again that must be at least a hundred you have gone through at this stage ;)

  • BartonFink #139 3 years ago

    Nice to see Les fighting the good fight as usual.

  • stepneg #140 3 years ago

    @Doctor_What

    Your an idiot, my guess is the people who the arcade is aimed at won't give a shit about wifi and the hard drive, the simple fact is you can buy a Hi Def console with the best\cheapest\bigger catalogue of games for £120 quid. How you can try and say thats not a good deal is beyond comprehension, even if you decide you want the hard drive later on it's still no where near what you would pay for a PS3.

  • MilkYMoO #141 3 years ago

    By far the only must own next-gen system, becomes even more unmissable.

  • Widge #142 3 years ago

    until the person who has bought the bargain price console decides "oh, I want to go online"

  • onezeonx #143 3 years ago

    i love my ps3...but love the 360 to !

    might get one for xmas off the missus :p

  • johnnybrn #144 3 years ago

    Why do people go on about the 360 WIFI?

    Firstly its a lame argument

    Secondly for most people its a non-issue, because you can just get an extension cord instead of a router anyway! As most people have the consoles in their lounge and pretty close to the phone line you dont even need a wireless router just the cable that came with console.



  • moggsy #145 3 years ago

    @ Widge

    Nothing to stop an Arcade from going online.

    @ Doctor_What

    Buy the Premium for £170 and a couple of homeplug mains network adaptors for £40 (better than wi fi) and you've spent just £210 - a bloody bargain!

  • Doctor_What #146 3 years ago

    @ Stepneg.

    Your witty debating style has defeated me. I shall immediately go and kill myself for my sins. Yes, I am clearly an idiot.*

    @Widge: Exactly. I thought the Xbox Live service was supposed to be the killer-app, so the lack of wi-fi from the box... I'd say that's an issue.

    Yep, it's still a pretty decent deal, but it's not as good as it looks.


    *Except you seem to have fallen for the £129.99 = £120 trick.**

    ** And you don't know when to use "you're". Other than that, I am utterly defeated. Woe is me.

  • Widge #147 3 years ago

    What? Wifi is an absolute dealbreaker! I had a nightmare getting my bastard xbox online last gen. Now its no wires, no hassle. I'd rather have that than having to route some wires around the outside of my front room or something... I mean its either that or go homeplugs and thats even more money!

    If I was to buy a 360, its got to be the one with all the bells and whistles.

  • Widge #148 3 years ago

    Ok online beyond silver!

  • Doctor_What #149 3 years ago

    @Moggsy: That's what I've been trying to say: the Arcade isn't as cheap as it looks. The options that appear to cost more from the outset are actually cheaper.

    AND... Ooo... Those plug thingies are neat! I might have to get some of them! Good tip, cheers :D

  • Redeye #150 3 years ago

    Some of the sheer nonsense in this thread = epic facepalm.

    Although it is somewhat comical that Woolies inadvertently let the cat out of the bag, and MS have had to make what amounts to a second-hand announcement. For the average Joe, though (in other words, NOT THE LIKES OF US, before some of you fanboy cretins chime in), this *does* amount to a good deal. Be interesting to see how sales stack up come January, given the current financial climate.

  • moggsy #151 3 years ago

    @ Widge

    Nothing to stop an Arcade from going online beyond silver. Online Xbox Live gaming doesn't need the hard drive.

  • dudefella #152 3 years ago

    Seals the deal, I'm buying an elite soonish, as I'm fed up with not having HDMI and only 20 GBs

  • seasidebaz #153 3 years ago

    OK, to anyone saying it's half a machine... For us "hardcore" YES the arcade is half a machine. But then us "hardcore" shouldn't complain about wifi, or "the poor man's networking standard".

    When you become a 40-year old single mum working 20 hours a week with a kid who's just turned 13 wanting an Xbox360, you will buy THE CHEAPEST. So what if you don't get a HDD? You get a memory card and 5 games in the box for £130. And that, apparently, is what your bastard spawn wants in a console. And he's not working so can't afford to buy one himself. So as his mum, you go to the game shop and buy THE CHEAP 360 THAT HE ASKED FOR. So STFU, geeks!

    Plus, it keeps the little shit off Live! Which is good for everyone.

  • Bealsy #154 3 years ago

    Surely now the PS3 owners can see what all the fuss is about?

    /coat

    edit - oh, and if anyone mentions having to pay £40 a year for xbox live - you're an idiot, or a tightfisted arse. A brilliant service with dedicated servers and (in my experience) faster lag-free games (except PES 08, sigh) all for around 75p a week. Anyone who says 75p a week isn't worth it is clearly a complete tard or they are inserting dual shocks up their arse they love Sony so much.
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 14:23

  • moggsy #155 3 years ago

    @ seasidebaz

    Plus they can buy a hard drive at a later date - the brats birthday perhaps!

    Note: It won't keep him off live though - you don't need the hard drive for that.

  • seasidebaz #156 3 years ago

    @moggsy:

    Hopefully they won't have broadband, though, but there ya go. Plus wouldn't the lack of HDD prevent any patching of Halo3? Thus achieving the desired effect?

  • Widge #157 3 years ago

    +1 for usage of phrase "bastard spawn"

  • BonzoBanana #158 3 years ago

    I love my 360 but I'm on my fourth and I don't really trust it. Its been a load of hassle and there has been times when I've been enjoying it and then its crashed and I've got annoyed with it. My current 360 isn't perfect. It crashes about 50x more often than my ps3. My ps3 has crashed once in timeshift which is poorly coded anyway where as my 360 can crash in any game. However that said my current 360 can go a week before crashing. I know the ps3 in theory is more powerful but in general only a few sofware houses seems to have the skills to really get that performance like evolution, criterion, konami, naughty dog and insomniac and many have truly failed to achieve much with it. Free Radical spent ages developing Haze on ps3 and still came out with graphics which were inferior to 360 launch titles. I know the ps3 has one massive advantage over 360 and that is ample storage on its discs. The 360 is still limited to the same storage capacity of the ps2 discs and so relies more on compression and in game engine movies or downloadable content. The thing is the 360 has a better gpu than the ps3 but the ps3 has additional support for its gpu to enhance its features. The ps3 has twice the cpu power of the 360 in principle but its spread over twice as many cores making it much harder to program. The PS3 memory system is I've read not as good as the 360 but not far behind. The fact remains that the 360 is offering generally better games for much less money and later 360s are more reliable. I personally think the golden price point is £99.99 thats when it becomes real mass market but then people who buy a console at £100 generally don't buy games at £50 a pop but instead look for bargains and budget games.

    I personally think the ps3 has yet to come of age and that generally truly absymal ps3 games are a thing of the past. Most developers are getting the hang of it now and it won't be long before the ps3 can show some distance between itself and 360. Remember it took ages for the ps2 to show itself to be superior to dreamcast.

    To be honest I'm one of those rare people that love the ps3 and 360 but if anything haven't much regard for the wii as its just not capable of the same level of game performance as ps3 or 360.

    One last point is Microsoft's intentions were never to compete with other consoles but dominate and become the main gaming platform just like windows is the main OS for PCs. They want a 360 in just about every home and they want them connected to the internet buying downloadable content. That was always their intention and they are taking a financial hit now to secure a huge revenue stream in the future. whether that will be a reality I don't know but from a consumer point of view 3 competing consoles is the best news for us as thats why the pricing is soooo good. If Sony and Nintendo had been wiped out last generation the 360 would probably be £300-400 now and games would be stuck at £50 with little discounting. So for all the fanboys out there remember none of these companies are your friends they just want your money.

  • moggsy #159 3 years ago

    @ seasidebaz

    I don't think game patches aren't stored on the hard drive - I think there's some flash memory built into the 360 for this purpose.

  • LHH #160 3 years ago

    Anyone who says 75p a week isn't worth it is clearly a complete tard or they are inserting dual shocks up their arse they love Sony so much.

    Great comment lol!

  • moggsy #161 3 years ago

    @ BonzoBanana

    They want a 360 in just about every home and they want them connected to the internet buying downloadable content. That was always their intention and they are taking a financial hit now to secure a huge revenue stream in the future.

    ...

    If Sony and Nintendo had been wiped out last generation the 360 would probably be £300-400 now and games would be stuck at £50 with little discounting.

    You can't have it both ways - which is it to be?
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 14:40

  • seasidebaz #162 3 years ago

    A brilliant service with dedicated servers

    I thought the dedicated servers were only for matchmaking? And the actual gameplay was all P2P?

  • Widge #163 3 years ago

    Can you pay in 75p a week installments now?

  • Rash' #164 3 years ago

    "I personally think the golden price point is £99.99 thats when it becomes real mass market but then people who buy a console at £100 generally don't buy games at £50 a pop but instead look for bargains and budget games."

    This is an interesting point. As they did with their rushed hardware release are MS rushing the current gen cycle with this price drop?
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 15:03

  • BartonFink #165 3 years ago

    Sounds like you have a real problem with 360 Widge.
    I would get that looked at. The frothing should be a bit of a concern too.

  • captainrentboy #166 3 years ago

    I don't get Les :/
    I mean I make the odd piss taking comment in the Wii post sections, I make it and then move on with my life. But Les is really and quite strangely determined, determined to make loads and loads of posts in a comments section related to a console he can't stand. It makes no sense. Did Bill Gates touch Les' dirty bits as a youngster? Or is that, quite simply, he's like 14 with nothing better to do.
    I mean, you'd think he'd be playing all the latest top notch Wii releases wouldn't you?....

  • Skeletor #167 3 years ago

    @Les

    "Maybe the Wii hype will be over by chrismas 2009 but that will come way too late for the 360."

    What Wii hype? There's only a Wii Sports hype and unfortunately you need a Wii for that. The third party sales are catastrophic and by Christams 2009 this ugly truth will be even more evident. Hell, lots of Wii owners don't chip their console because there's even hardly anything that would be worth pirating...

  • Widge #168 3 years ago

    I was just reading another news article on here which makes a valid point. This DOES cut into the domain of the PS2 as the base unit of the market, so perhaps its a bold move to tackle Sony on 2 of their fronts.

  • Rash' #169 3 years ago

    Widge; Exactly! So are MS rushing the current console cycle? And if they are then I don't think Sony and Ninty should drop their prices. Let MS screw it up for themselves, maybe?
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 15:22

  • BartonFink #170 3 years ago

    Rash'

    So are MS rushing the current console cycle?

    Of course they are the 360 was a rush job from the get go.
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 15:24

  • Rash' #171 3 years ago

    BartonFink, So is it like Speed (the film, rather than the drug) it's destined to bomb... fast?

  • BartonFink #172 3 years ago

    @Rash'

    Seems to be doing pretty damned well so far doesn't it?

    If anything it's the PS3 that's in that territory tbh.

  • DB2k #173 3 years ago

    didnt the ps2 and ds sell 20m units first?

  • Rash' #174 3 years ago

    BartonFink, Don't know about that, I would describe PS3 as slow and steady.

  • Widge #175 3 years ago

    I like Vista :(

    Although Firefox 3 disagrees with my laptops password bank thing.... other than that, no probs!

  • Rash' #176 3 years ago

    They've dropped the price because demand is low. The question is are consumers not buying the system because the price is too high or because they're not interested in the first place?

  • johnnybrn #177 3 years ago

    If demand is low for the 360 then its even less for the PS3 (especially in Japan!)

  • GamerG #178 3 years ago

    Rash

    I think the problem with MS in main land Europe is that the 360 was a new comer while the Playstation is a very established brand.

    In Europe consoles didn't really exist until the playstation, the snes and megadrive sold well but Parents prefered to buy their kids computers where they might learn something as well so too many europeans playstion = consoles.

    This meant that when the 360 was selling for €300 and the PS3 for €400 they chose the PS3 as they were spending a considerable sum anyway so they might has well have the brand they always go for, but these price cuts put now mean that the 360 now almost becomes a no brainer and can simply be an impulse buy to be bought on a whim or as a 2nd console to a PS3.

    I think the new pricing will break down some of the fear factor of Europeans buying a 360 and with the cost of living and economic problems of the world this can only work in the cheapest consoles favour.

  • Retroid #179 3 years ago

    I wish people would get it into their heads that the RRoD problem in new machines has been pretty much fixed for nigh-on a year at least.

  • Penguinzoot #180 3 years ago

    The question is are consumers not buying the system because the price is too high or because they're not interested in the first place?

    I don't think it's because the price is currently too high .... But I guess we shall soon see whether the price cuts do the trick for MS or not. Breaking into the casual market is obviously the aim (if there are any casuals left that don't already have a Wii). With good marketing showing off the new dashboard, Lips and In the Movies (and that 100-to-1 thing or 1-to-100 whatever), and astute bundling maybe it will all come together for them. Or maybe not ;-)

  • rizzle95 #181 3 years ago

    YAY
    i might buy one now

  • Rash' #182 3 years ago

    johnnybrn, No. simple. NPDs have shown the system to be neck and neck if not better then 360 through out this year in US. In Europe 360 is the least popular and Japan is a similar story. Demand is low, that's why the prices have been slashed globally.

  • johnnybrn #183 3 years ago

    is this move the poker equivalent of 'all in'?

    Ha ha!

    If theres one company with all their chips on the table its Sony, the PS3 HAS to succeed due to the amount invested into its development.


  • Rash' #184 3 years ago

    Yeah, PS3 has to succeed, but then so do the other two. They've all had serious cash invested in them. Sony are playing a slow and steady game in contrast to MS's "all in" gamble. Lets see how it pans out shall we?
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 16:15

  • Widge #185 3 years ago

    Yeah, this generation was pretty much a do or die for old Nintendo. They played it well.

  • Gavio #186 3 years ago

    Its makes me laugh that people can actually diss a company for reducing the price, come on Sony fan boy's get a grip, this benefits all consumers as a whole and may even put pressure on Sony to do the same.

    Is it because Xbox is "losing" the war, I'd say no. Why? Simple it has been on the market the longest has an install base of 20million and the highest software attach rate for any console, they can afford to do this.

    Are sales declining? Yes!! Nothing out of the ordinary there, its typical product life cycle. You have growth, maturity and decline. It was relesed a whole year ahead of its competitors, the serious gamers already own the console and now its about getting the casual market.

    People will be tighening their belts this xmas and for the non serious gamer who doesn't need anything all singing and dancing whats more attractive £129.99 or £299.99 when the quality of the games are identical??

  • Rash' #187 3 years ago

    "For some reason MS just can't seem to fix whatever is causing it."

    And there goes my reason for buying one. Damn you MS!

    /Waves fist.

  • glaeken #188 3 years ago

    Just on the 360 on SD TV's comments I used my 360 on an SD TV for 2 years and never really had any problems. It was a big 36" CRT though so possibly that resolved the text size issues.

    In general though the games still look great on an SD TV so if you don't have an HD TV yet I don't think its that big a deal.

    Of course now I have an HD TV it does all look a lot better but I would still rate the 360 as well worth having for the two years I played it on an SD TV.

  • DJKNIGHT13 #189 3 years ago

    @ confunder Nobody wants a Xbox 360 (apart from the Xbots who want a backup one). Every one desires a PS3.

    Not true I own both and don't desire my ps3 at all... however with regards to my 360 its all love baby.

  • Widge #190 3 years ago

    Warhawk's help text was unreadable on my 32" CRT, so small!

  • mcbi4kh2 #191 3 years ago

    however with regards to my 360 its all love baby.

    Somebody needs a girlfriend...

  • Les #192 3 years ago

    "Its makes me laugh that people can actually diss a company for reducing the price"

    Who's dissing them for lowering the price?! Most people around here that are dissing MS are doing so for the silly wishful thinking of their management...

    And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers.

  • johnnybrn #193 3 years ago

    'And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers.'

    That's comedy gold

    I can see consumers pitchforks in hand marching on Microsoft demanding that they raise the price!

  • Gavio #194 3 years ago


    'And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers.'

    My interest as a consumer is to pay the lowest price possible for a product!!

  • Les #195 3 years ago

    "People will be tighening their belts this xmas and for the non serious gamer who doesn't need anything all singing and dancing whats more attractive £129.99 or £299.99 when the quality of the games are identical??"

    What's even more attractive than those two machines is the Wii. Sony and MS were right that Nintendo was in a different league: It's in the league of the mass market while they are not.

  • Les #196 3 years ago

    "My interest as a consumer is to pay the lowest price possible for a product!!"

    In general, yes. But sometimes companies fight price wars to drive each other out of business. Short term consumers benefit from the lower prices but in the long term the reduced competition will result in higher prices and the consumer is worse off overall.

  • DJKNIGHT13 #197 3 years ago

    @ mcbi4kh2 however with regards to my 360 its all love baby.

    Somebody needs a girlfriend...

    I am married, but back on point at the end of the day the consumer wins as our hobby tends to be expensive.

  • Les #198 3 years ago

    "That's comedy gold

    I can see consumers pitchforks in hand marching on Microsoft demanding that they raise the price!"

    What a fucking idiot. Did I say that?! I said there are situations in which a lower price might hurt the consumer and this is not one of them. Of course consumers never ask for higher prices. But then, consumers are people and therefore short sighted idiots. What seems in your best interest isn't always so.

  • johnnybrn #199 3 years ago

    'In general, yes. But sometimes companies fight price wars to drive each other out of business. Short term consumers benefit from the lower prices but in the long term the reduced competition will result in higher prices and the consumer is worse off overall.'

    As seen in PS2 and £425 price - 'get another job' for PS3.

    Thank fuck those days are over!

  • bonker #200 3 years ago

    I made a post a few days ago about the 'war' this time having different facets to it compared to previous-gen wars with each 'competitor' actually fighting on a different front.

    These price cuts indicate to me that MS are turning their back on the PS3 as no real competition and that they are now eyeing up N's slice of the pie ...

  • Gavio #201 3 years ago

    "I'm on the opposite end. When I buy a product, be it car, TV, computer, watch, clothes, camera and so on. I always go with the most expensive. The reason is that I have always found that cheaper products are less well-made"

    Yes the examples you give are true, if you don't know what particular model/brand you want. What I meant is that if I was looking for say an Xbox I would search around and pay the lowest. Any because an Xbox is now £100 cheaper since release, is it less well made? I'd say the opposite in this case.

  • Les #202 3 years ago

    "These price cuts indicate to me that MS are turning their back on the PS3 as no real competition and that they are now eyeing up N's slice of the pie ... "

    They've never been eyeing a different market which makes their game line-up and marketing efforts for the first three years rather baffling.

  • muscleblade #203 3 years ago

    "Is now cheapest machine on the market"

    And its also the best!! How often is that the case. Not very often.

  • BartonFink #204 3 years ago

    Some of you guys would make absolutely brilliant industry analysts.

    evil - your twisted logic is all kinds of wrong.

  • BartonFink #205 3 years ago

    muscleblade

    And its also the best!! How often is that the case. Not very often.


    /queue RRoD remarks from Les et.al.

  • kinggid #206 3 years ago

    I think I'll buy an Xbox360 now. I've been buying up cheap Xbox360 games the past few weeks - all highly rated and bought for between £5 and £12. I've been waiting a while for the price to come down.

  • amcd28 #207 3 years ago

    @ Evilfoxhound

    'I'm on the opposite end. When I buy a product, be it car, TV, computer, watch, clothes, camera and so on. I always go with the most expensive. The reason is that I have always found that cheaper products are less well-made.'

    Ahahahahahahah!

    Don't be daft. Are the most expensive cars on the list below judged to be the most reliable? Em, no.

    [link url=http:// www.whatcar.com/NonCar/75881243591.jpg
    ]http://ww w.whatcar.com/NonCar/7588124359...[/link]

    Can you explain why my £35.00 Diesel t-shirt washed better and laster longer than my £85.00 Armani one?

  • don81 #208 3 years ago

    "We're proud to be expanding the reach of Xbox as the first next-generation console to break the EUR 200 / GBP 150 barrier" Erm, isn't this now just "This Gen" not "Next Gen" as it has been out 3 years!!! Do MS not know that it has been out 3 years!!! lol. And i have both Xbox360 and Playstation 3 and a Wii and love them all for different reasons!!!.

  • bonker #209 3 years ago

    "widge- does the ps3 get louder when playing divx's from the HDD?
    (how mouch louder?) I'm thinking of replacing my XBMC soon and a PS3 would be a good option.
    Does it play all DivX's, Xvids and AVi's these days? how about ubtitle support for my jap/chinese films? "

    Build yourself a HTPC and you'll be able to play *anything* forever - you'll be surprised at how little money you can do this for these days, a 2.4Ghz Core Duo with 1GB and a £20 graphics card is all you need for some top-quality 1080p luvin ...

  • MonkeyMagik #210 3 years ago

    well played MS - I have all 3 consoles and current play rate is 360 - 60%, PS3 35% and Wii about 5%. Even my 6 year old son prefers the 360 !!

  • mcbi4kh2 #211 3 years ago

    @DJKNIGHT13
    I am married
    As I said, someone needs a girlfriend ;)

  • gohda #212 3 years ago

    360lol

  • Les #213 3 years ago

    "Can you explain why my £35.00 Diesel t-shirt washed better and laster longer than my £85.00 Armani one?"

    As they're both sewn by the same little Chinese children, that truly is a mystery... ;)

  • chronom4n #214 3 years ago

    5 million consoles sold and a 60% failure rate? come on that does not say much other "than look at me i sold so many consoles but i also fucked up so much of your time and money dear consumer"

  • ronuds #215 3 years ago

    One of my theories is that I think MS was/is battling the overall perception that the PS3 is somehow a better gaming machine than the 360. People still have this thinking and it seems MS was dismissing the thought, which is possibly why they kept the price what it was for so long. They're saying, "maybe you believe the PS3 is better, but how can you pass up a 360 at this price?"

    My other theory is that they were waiting for the PS3 to start really making some headway until they lowered the prices as much as they have. They were "riding it out" so to speak until it was a necessity.

    Now that it's gotten to the "mass market" price point, the only thing standing in its way is perception. I mean, whether you're a PS3 or Wii fanboy, it's hard to deny that the 360 has an extremely attractive lineup of games. And at this new price, it's going to be hard for anyone with any amount of gaming knowledge to avoid. MS needs to figure out how to attract those with no gaming knowledge who are in the market for a console, though. I can't see how the PS3's going to compete at these prices, but the Wii still has the perception from most people as being the "fun" console.

  • Dizzy #216 3 years ago

    "MS needs to figure out how to attract those with no gaming knowledge who are in the market for a console, though"

    Indeed.. they will need a lot of PR for that. The games is no problem... the marketing is (in Europe). In the US it is smooth sailing.

  • marshaal5 #217 3 years ago

    Still a lot of money for a very noisy and unreliable piece of electronic hardware that i know of.
    ii would rather keep the price aas it is and get a more reliable peice of equipment
    simple solution to all fanboys buy both a 360 and a ps3 then you can have the best of both worlds
    Edited by 1 at 16/09/08 @ 22:27

  • smelly #218 3 years ago

    @marshaal5 : +1!


    I wish that i hadnt spent money on the thing - due to my many repairs - for OVER half of this year i havent had a 360!

    Its shit. Wish i'd bought a ps3 instead... But then to be honest very few modern games actually interest me enough to buy nowadays anyhow - especially to justify spending the price of the ps3.

    if i hadnt bought a 360.. i knew what i knew now.. the price drop wouldnt tempt me to buy one. Especially as i see this price drop as being a CLEAR indication that this time next year there will be a new xbox on the market.

  • bonker #219 3 years ago

    So what?

    You short on pocket money or something?

  • Xerx3s #220 3 years ago

    "Most people around here that are dissing MS are doing so for the silly wishful thinking of their management... "

    Schizophrenia or mps, can't really tell.

    "And while this case isn't one of them, there are situations in which the lowering of a price can actually be against the interests of the consumers."

    ...

  • BartonFink #221 3 years ago

    Yup Xerx3s that last one really has made him a true genius among gnats.

    In the words of the lol catz Les
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 00:26

  • Gradius #222 3 years ago

    I love reading Les' amateur business analysis, he's like Apologie except he actually believes he's intelligent, quite amusing :)

  • BartonFink #223 3 years ago

    Yup comedy gold ... himself and smelly would make a great double act.

  • smelly #224 3 years ago

    quote: "I love reading Les' amateur business analysis, he's like Apologie except he actually believes he's intelligent, quite amusing :)"


    I actually agree with him

    Looking at the price cut.. it seems that msoft are considering this to be the end of this gen with a new one to come very soon.

    But really.. What REALLY decent games has this generation actually seen on ANY of the platforms?

    Where are the HUGE games we saw of previous gens?

    boring boring boring..

    The only thing keeping it going are blinkered fanboys going "xbx is the BESTEST in the world!!! Yeah it might be unreliable and a bit shit.. but hey.. at least i can play my latest fps game... which is exactly the same as every other fps game i own!)

  • Gradius #225 3 years ago

    "I actually agree with him "

    Well there's a surprise and a half! No offence smelly, but aren't you considered by many to be one of the most prolific anti-MS trolls this site has ever seen? You and Les are pretty much one and the same. In fact, I remember some of your comments from a while ago, you're the chap who claimed to have owned a 360 and sold it because you thought it was 'shit'. Yet a day or so later in a different thread you were once again claiming to still own a 360...Odd.

    I really don't understand people like yourself and Les (or any of the other trolling fanboys here)...

  • Calgon #226 3 years ago

    Gradius well said... brings the whole rep of the site down with clowns like that and their DAILY antics(they are resorting to flat out deliberate lying these days, desperate times for Sony fanboys... thats what all that time in 3rd place has done for them, they hoped and told us in some cases that PS3 would be far ahead by this point), theres quite a few of them(add evilfoxhound to that list... trying to claim Falcon isnt FAR more reliable than Xenon/Xephyr? Sure him and all his imaginary friends all bought brand new 360s even though he despises MS/360 and they all failed...).

    I realise I comment more about the trolls and fanboys more than the topics but thats my point I rarely bother these days because every topic is derailed and invaided by obsessive trolls... seriously do you think they could handle it if Sony actually did finnish in 3rd place by a clear margin? I think theyd find ways not to beleive(denial) it or just blame MS for "cheating" somehow.
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 04:22

  • smelly #227 3 years ago

    Gradius -> you the dumb

    " No offence smelly, but aren't you considered by many to be one of the most prolific anti-MS trolls this site has ever seen?"

    uh?

    Dumbass.

    I *own* a 360.. And i've stated MANY MANY MANY MANY times my favourite games of this gen are ON the 360!! They being skate, dead rising and cod4.

    But yes.. I am VERY against shit hardware which breaks down a lot - and would be against it WHOEVER was making it. Especially if my wii or (if i had one) ps3 broke down as much as my 360 has!


    >"have owned a 360 and sold it because you thought it was 'shit'."

    Yip.. my suspicions were correct. You really are dimmer than a battery powered light bulb.

    I have stated that as a way of proving my point in threads where people say "console X is shit - i'm going to sell it"... 99% of the times these are 360 owners.. So it's an easy target to point out how stupid their posts are. Some stupid people (such as yourself) dont seem to get that though.

    I also said recently I was *considering* selling my 360 when i got it back from repair this SIXTH time and buying a ps3. But as I stated above (if you're able to read) - I chose not to waste my money because NONE of the console this gen really have any games wihich float my boat...

    Now you've just proven to everyone that you're a bit dim.. So I'll clarify.. By "NONE of the consoles" I mean.. NONE of them.. there hasnt been ANY real "must buys" for me this generation on either the 360/ps3/wii compared to the huge "must buys" of previous generations. Sure there have been games i've enjoyed (cod3/skate/dead rising/mario galaxy).. But none of them match the "greatness" of games in previous generations.


    > Yet a day or so later in a different thread you were once again claiming to still own a 360...Odd.

    And yes I do - numbnuts... And yes.. it DOES get more use than my wii nowadays.. but neither get much use.



    NOW is it possible for someone to present a DIFFERING argument on this site without being branded "a fan" or "anti a certain console" or any of that fucking nonsense that you children seem to use because you dont want to discuss against someone elses non-blinkered arguments.

    Now.. Again.. For dumb people.. I'll try to keep this simple.. The 360 has great games (some of the best games of this gen).. but the console itself is shit (due to reliability issues). The games DONT make the console itself LESS shit, as those games could easily exist on the ps3 if it was selling better. That doesnt make me "anti the xbox" that makes me - anti shit unreliable consoles.

  • smelly #228 3 years ago

    Actually i lied.. there is ONE game which can POTENTIALLY "float my boat" and be one of this generations "truely great games".. And that's mirrors edge (hopefully - if they dont fuck it up)

    And just to show no hard feelings - pm me with your gamertag and i'll add you to my list..

  • LHH #229 3 years ago

    People still bitching at each other in this thread are they?

    I wonder if MS will have another price drop in a years time..? Arcade goes down to £70 or something lol.

  • Gradius #230 3 years ago

    @smelly

    So you lied about selling a console (because you thought it was shit) to make a point? Erm...OK... You see 'normal' people would call that trolling, not to mention idiotic. I also notice you use a lot of personal insults to 'try and make your point'. You're obviously not a particularly intelligent person, hence your inability to communicate in an honest or mature manner, you're obviously a very troubled little boy, so I'll leave it at that. I should have known better than to reply to your post in the first place...sigh...

  • Les #231 3 years ago

    "I love reading Les' amateur business analysis, he's like Apologie except he actually believes he's intelligent, quite amusing"

    Come on, the only thing you clowns can come up with is simple rhetoric techniques rather than have an intelligent conversation about facts and our interpretations of them. True, I sometimes use language that might ignite the fanboy sparks in your hearts and childish though it may be, it's not by accident I must confess. It's too much fun to see people obsessing so much about an ugly (IMO) grey box that they even get upset when people analyse it's performance in the marketplace and have to arrive at an unfavourable conclusion about its attractiveness to other people while they themselves love it so much.

    Here are some facts:
    1) xbox 360 was the first console of its generation on the market, xbox was not;
    2) xbox 360 plays most of the former sony exclusives, xbox did not;
    3) xbox 360 has been much cheaper than the PS3 while the xbox was only a little cheaper than the PS2;
    4) xbox 360 sells only a little better than the original xbox, almost entirely attributable to relatively strong performance in the US.

    What does this tell us? In Europe, 360 isn't hot and it's very unlikely that a price drop will all of a sudden ignite consumer interest. Especially not if there is such strong opposition as the Wii.

    Because of Sony dominating the last two generations, it's now seen as a success to beat them. And while it's certainly impressive, fact remains that PS3 is a royal screw-up by Sony (good machine though it may be IMO, consumers differ) and 360 still results in nothing but money down the drain for MS. Quite a hollow victory.

  • LHH #232 3 years ago

    It's a shame really as the PS3 is a piece of shit in terms of gaming. Stupid load times and crap online. Fairplay it's free but then who gives a shit when it's crap.
    Top marks for its interface and inclusion of a browser though. I suppose it just goes to show how stupidly thick our european neighbours are, I mean, you'd think the amount of wars we have would of told you that but no, it still goes on to this day.

    Also, shame MS fucked it with the red light thing. lol.
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 09:10

  • Les #233 3 years ago

    "but aren't you considered by many to be one of the most prolific anti-MS trolls this site has ever seen?"

    Two reasons for that:
    1) The overrepresentation of harcore gamers on this site and their faboyish love for the 360 that makes it impossible for their tiny brains to differentiate between criticism and rant;
    2) MS just screw up so much (http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=gBWPf1BWtkw) that most of my criticism can't help but being directed towards them (but I think Sony are idiots as well if that is of any comfort to you)

    It's just fun arguing with idiots that obsess about Sony being liars for showing renders and inflated specs beforehand while they don't bother about a company that sells them faulty products. Just one of the forms of hypocrisy fanboyism can lead to.

  • bioreit #234 3 years ago

    @ Les

    You still have yet to provide any actual...um...evidence for all the times you say things like:

    "If they're smart, they leave the console business like their investors want them to... "

    "While MS has been able to build the xbox division using their Windows/Office money, investors aren’t to keen on it"

    "But who knows, maybe they [Microsoft] can turn a Nintendo for the next gen, if investors will let them... "

    "But like I said before [Really? I had not noticed that...], investors aren't that fond of the loss leading console division anymore"

    So come on, Mr Know-All-Financial-Things, where are you getting your information from? A stock-broker man you met down the pub?

    I call shenanigans on you!

    /points finger
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 08:37

  • Daymare #235 3 years ago

    @smelly

    Do you *really* believe Microsoft will put a new Xbox (as in "Xbox720";) on the market next year? Sure, MS wants (and will) beat Sony to the "next-gen" but that soon? That would give them the technological edge, sure, but what happens when Sony puts out a PS4, which will be even more powerful then, by then few years old, Xbox? Or are you suggesting that MS will put out 2 consoles for every new PlayStation? Industry in general surely wouldn't like that..

    One thing I'm certain: next Xbox will have two controllers in the box - good ol' joypad and some sort of Wiimote knock-off:)

  • Gradius #236 3 years ago

    @Les

    I guess you and I just have a different mind set. I don't really get the point or understand the 'enjoyment' you get from purposely trying to wind people up on here. You have to remember that this is a gaming site, hence half the people you're trying to wind up are quite possibly teenagers/kids. Assuming you're an adult, you have to see that this is a pretty lame way to spend your life.

    On another note, I think the reason that many people refuse to enter into a serious conversation with you regarding your analysis of the 360s future sales is because you frequent pretty much every MS article and forecast the doom of said console (I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea). You may just be baiting people for fun as you claim but by doing so, you're the one who ends up looking like a fanboy and I can't imagine any adults who do actually have a working knowledge of corporate business, consumer spending, investors, shareholders, etc, are going to bother conversing seriously with a self confessed wind-up merchant with a strange vendetta against the company in question. Other than to deride you.

  • sailesh #237 3 years ago

    i cannot see the point of this machine still... for me that is. I know most people love their FPS'

  • LHH #238 3 years ago

    So what point is there for the other consoles!?

  • Xerx3s #239 3 years ago

    Haha! Pure gold! I couldn't make this up even if I wanted to! The irony is that he hammers so much on that fact that everybody posting here is a fanboy but he clearly forgets that one can safely say that you are a fanboy if you post 19+ hate posts in every thread related to the console you hate.
    Even funnier when you remember that everytime you kick his logic from underneath him in the previous threads, he blankly ignores it or suddenly stops posting in the said thread.

    Oh well, how CAN you have intelligent discussion with a bunch of clowns eh?

    "but I think Sony are idiots as well if that is of any comfort to you"

    Doesn't bother us but it does show what kind of diehard nintendo fanboy you are.
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 09:44

  • teddybearzero #240 3 years ago

    @LHH

    "It's a shame really as the PS3 is a piece of shit in terms of gaming. Stupid load times and crap online. Fairplay it's free but then
    who gives a shit when it's crap".

    Have you even played on a PS3?
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 09:44

  • Moonprince #241 3 years ago

    Gradius well said... brings the whole rep of the site down with clowns like that and their DAILY antics -

    oh and your sht doesn't?

  • LHH #242 3 years ago

    Yes, I own a 40GB. Played MGS4 (reason for buying), Uncharted (excellent), Heavenly Sword (borrowed so not finished).

  • Les #243 3 years ago

    "Doesn't bother us but it does show what kind of diehard nintendo fanboy you are."

    lol. I admire their business achievement, it's simply phenomenal. How often do you see a company get the better of two ridiculously strong competitors by such modest means? But the only Nintendo console I ever owned was a GC and I barely played it. Do have a DS though (and barely play that as well, just like the PSP I might add).

    "On another note, I think the reason that many people refuse to enter into a serious conversation with you regarding your analysis of the 360s future sales is because you frequent pretty much every MS article and forecast the doom of said console (I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea)"

    Because the facts lead me no other choice. The 360 is doing poorly and the trend is declining sales which simply doesn't bode well for the future. PS3 is doing poorly as well (even poorer than the 360 in it's first 2 years) but the trend is pointing upwards which gives Sony something to dream about though its obvious it will be almost impossible to replicate PS2 success (so ps3 is doing better in its second year than in its first, while the 360 did worse in its second year and very likely will do worse again in its third even if it sells as much consoles in the last three months of the year as it did in the first 8.5 months).

    But if you say something overtly possitive about a company around here you must hate it and love the opposition. I do neither.

    "You have to remember that this is a gaming site, hence half the people you're trying to wind up are quite possibly teenagers/kids. Assuming you're an adult, you have to see that this is a pretty lame way to spend your life"

    Not all kids and teenagers are stupid.. The jests are a nice and effective way of filtering out the fanboys and adding them to my ignore list. If they do the same with me, nobody's hurt. I like a good debate now and then (such as this one) and I don't mind a jest here and there. It's often more fun/enjoyable than playing a current gen game TBH.
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 11:01

  • amcd28 #244 3 years ago

    Right then ladies.

    Shall we get everyone to line up behind their favourite box of electronics made by a giant uncaring corporation?

    Once we've done that, then we can build a wall down the middle and no-one, but no-one need be bothered by their least favourite box of electronics made by a giant uncaring corporation.

    It might be impractical if you need to get to work, but it does give you more time to play their favourite box of electronics made by a giant uncaring corporation, if you don't go to work.

    Everyone will then be of similar mind and this should prevent arguing, trolling and pointless willy waving.

    I'm off for a cuppa. When I get back could you all be lined up please?

  • andywilkie35 #245 3 years ago

    i think that for this price, and with the back catalogue of games that the xbox360 has, you'd have to be a massive sonyfanboy not to want one. I know a few people who had PS3s and they've said they're gonna pick one of these up, fucking unbelievable stuff! I was thinking about getting a new and bigger harddrive because mine's finally filling up, but I might just get a whole new xbox as well

  • MDL199 #246 3 years ago

    Les
    16-Sep-08 16:38:18 "People will be tighening their belts this xmas and for the non serious gamer who doesn't need anything all singing and dancing whats more attractive £129.99 or £299.99 when the quality of the games are identical??"

    What's even more attractive than those two machines is the Wii. Sony and MS were right that Nintendo was in a different league: It's in the league of the mass market while they are not.


    ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------

    Of all the consoles on the market the Wii surely represents the least value to anybody who really loves games.

    Most of the games on the Wii, if you can call some of them games that is, have sub PS2 graphics, shallow gameplay and silly novelty controls.

    If the Wii is the future then proper gaming doesn't have a future at least not one I want a part of.
    Edited by 1 at 17/09/08 @ 12:09

  • Les #247 3 years ago

    "Of all the consoles on the market the Wii surely represents the least value to anybody who really loves games."

    Debatable, though it is a fact that there are many, many more people that don't "really love" games than people that do.

    "If the Wii is the future then proper gaming doesn't have a future at least not one I want a part of."

    I understand your agony but pretending it ain't so doesn't make it better.

  • Collymilad #248 3 years ago

    Excellent news.

    And smelly, you are a major troll, end of - whine otherwise all you like.

    Lastly, the Wii isn't the "future of gaming" in any case. Perhaps motion sensing (once it actually gets, you know, decent, as in 1:1 movement) COUPLED with good tech, may be the future of gaming. Lets not forget that most people who buy a wii are families who buy it for wii sports and crap party games - maybe it's the future of casual gaming.
    Edited by 2 at 17/09/08 @ 12:20

  • Raya #249 3 years ago

    Yeah and how much is a HD? Nuff said

  • Collymilad #250 3 years ago

    "Yeah and how much is a HD? Nuff said "

    About £400 for a good 32"?

    Anyway, what's your point? The 360 and PS3 blow the Wii away even on an SDTV.

  • Gradius #251 3 years ago

    The Wii is (IMO) a party machine, it does have a few 'proper' games like Mario Galaxy, Metroid, etc, but it isn't for me, I did buy one at launch but ended up selling it as it just didn't push my buttons so to speak. I have always loved Ninty, I've owned every single one of their systems for the last 25 years and still do own two SNESzszsez, an NES, an N64 and two Gamecubes. I have owned every mainstream console ever made by all the main companies (AFAIK) except the Virtualboy thingy. I have never sold a console (that was still supported with new software) until I sold my Wii, and no, I'm not being a cock like smelly and just 'pretending' to have sold it to wind up Ninty fans. I really didn't like the console or its control mechanism. My 9 year old nieces however do love the thing, they can't get enough of playing Mario Kart online. So, in general, I think it's great for kids and the occasional drunken night in with your mates. It's almost a different form of entertainment from PC/PS3/360 gaming (of which I prefer all on a day to day basis). That said, I still have no derogatory comments towards those who do like the system, although, I can't see the Wii 2 having the same impact as I believe the novelty may have worn thin by the time of its release...We'll see...

  • Gaol #252 3 years ago

    If only there was this sort of competition in the gas industry.

  • smelly #253 3 years ago

    @Gradius"

    "@smelly

    So you lied about selling a console (because you thought it was shit) to make a point? "

    *sigh*
    No.
    And I wont be drawn into posting the context of my post as you'll just go off and accuse me of dragging this thread into some pro nintendo bullshit or something.

    But well dont for taking the whole of everything i said and focusing on 1 line..

    Dip shit

  • smelly #254 3 years ago

    >And smelly, you are a major troll, end of - whine otherwise all you like.

    My points were that no matter what the price cut is .. the 360 will still struggle to outsell the wii. That's not being a troll.. that's stating an opinion.

    Being a troll would be me posting saying "All 360 games are shit" when they obviously arent (and that's the reason i own one).

    But yet dipshits on games forums seem to think anyone who has a differing opinion to that of "the mob" is therefor wrong and a troll.

  • smelly #255 3 years ago

    "Most of the games on the Wii, if you can call some of them games that is, have sub PS2 graphics, shallow gameplay and silly novelty controls. "

    I'd agree on points 1 and 3.. But I fail to see how you can say "shallow gameplay" when 99% of 360 games consist of pointing a cursor at something and pressing the right trigger...

  • Gradius #256 3 years ago

    I said:

    you're the chap who claimed to have owned a 360 and sold it because you thought it was 'shit'. Yet a day or so later in a different thread you were once again claiming to still own a 360...Odd.

    Smelly said:

    I have stated that as a way of proving my point in threads where people say "console X is shit - i'm going to sell it"

    I said:

    So you lied about selling a console (because you thought it was shit) to make a point?

    Smelly said:

    No

    Smelly, this is why people think you're a prat. You blatantly contradict yourself to the point where it just gets ridiculous and then spew out as many insults as you can muster to try and mask your stupidity. I really am waisting my time here, you're either very confused or slightly demented. Good day to you.

  • smelly #257 3 years ago

    You're a bit strange arent you?

    You seem to fail to see the difference between someone stating something as a fact, and someone saying something to prove a point (or show a point from another point of view)

    But if you want to presume i "hate" your beloved console, and you want to go back to telling yourself i'm a big bad man while you jerk yerself into a coma wondering why you have no friends.. then fine - doesnt effect me.

    I've made my opinion clear.

    360 games = great
    360 console = unreliable pile of shit

    So if you're asking me if i'm a 360 "hater" then yes i guess i am, the hardware is unreliable and crappy and it should NEVER have been put on the shelves like that.. But I like the games on it - so no i wont be selling it (especially not since i bought viva pinata 2 this evening on the way home)

    But NONE of that effects my ORIGINAL point (which you seem to be so quick to brush off because "boo hoo, smelly said something which might be bad about my machine.. waaah.. he must just be a fanboy who HATES it!";).

    I'd have ALL 3 consoles by now, if the ps3 wasnt so expensive and had games worth playing i couldnt already play on the 360

  • Ryze #258 3 years ago

    Smelly's just a dickhead, who's lucky there's an Internet between him and all of the people he communicates with.

    My first ever communication on Eurogamer was met with a bullshit retort, and he's been at it ever since with everyone on the site.

    God knows what people have done to him in real life - he must have had more punches to the face than Anita Dark's had money shots.

    FFS.

  • Carrybagma #259 3 years ago

    SO. ANYWAY.

    Mentioned this elsewhere to someone who's looking to buy a 360 soon, so I might as well stick it here:

    These price cuts are almost certainly preceeding the release of the next revision - Jasper. Give it until October before news gets out, I reckon.

  • Kryon #260 3 years ago

    @The Retard™ (AKA smelly)

    "I'd have ALL 3 consoles by now, if the ps3 wasnt so expensive"

    smelly's so poor, when he goes to KFC, he has to lick other people's fingers! LULZ, Oh, and how is £299 with two games 'expensive'? I paid more for my import Super Famicom 17 years ago. Get a job you friggin hobo.