Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas Review

High Roller.

Version tested: Xbox 360

After last year's Lockdown debacle, Ubisoft knew it had a lot of work to do to repair the unexpected damage that Red Storm's buggy mess of a game did to the Rainbow Six series. Full of odd new additions, questionable design decisions and idiotic squad AI, it was obvious that they needed to go back to the drawing board and work out what people liked about the game in the first place if it was to keep up with the massive progress made by the other Tom Clancy games.

But it's actually been easier than that to sort the mess out - but perhaps slightly more complicated to explain the sudden improvement in the space of a year.

Although Ubisoft never makes a big deal about this, Vegas is made by an entirely different development studio to Lockdown - the Montreal team behind Rainbow Six 3 and the excellent standalone Black Arrow 'expansion'. Given how well-received those were, perhaps the best thing to do is pretend Lockdown didn't actually happen and think of Vegas as the 'real' follow-up to those two titles.

Forever changes

It's hardly surprising, then, to note that several of the new additions railroaded into last year's Lockdown have been quietly ditched for Vegas - for very sound reasons.

So, out go Ding Chavez (boo!), quicksaves, multiple pointless ways to blast a door down, tension-defeating heartbeat sensors, annoying trip wires and even more annoying sniping missions, and dense squad AI that seemed to have big problems shooting on target. The 'in' column makes for heartening reading: sensible checkpoint saves, Call Of Duty 2-style recharging heath system, superb squad AI, refined controls, duck and cover control system, squad revives, hugely improved visuals, multiple paths within levels, snakecam 'tagging' and, oddly, one fewer man in your squad.

On a basic, fundamental level, Rainbow Six Vegas is an absolutely huge leap up for the series, and easily one of the best tactical shooters ever made - but don't assume that means it's perfect.

'Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas' Screenshot 1

None more red – at least the blood stains blend in.

Like many of Ubisoft's Tom Clancy games down the years, the storyline is - yet again - a bit pointless and far-fetched. It all starts off innocuously enough, with you in control of elite counter-terrorist operative Team Leader Logan Keller, trying to hook up with your pinned-down squad mates in the Mexican town of San Joshua del Mosquiera. With a look and feel matching the gritty cinematic intensity of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, it's hard not to be instantly impressed. On a mission to hunt down Irena Morales, what seems like a straightforward assignment spirals out of control, with the Latino madwoman hellbent on causing maximum chaos for somewhat hard to fathom reasons - mostly involving Vegas casinos. We still can't work why she focuses most of her energies on terrorising Casinos. Maybe she lost big one time and wants revenge. Absolute loony.

What are you fighting for?

Tenuous-bordering-on-ridiculous premise aside, the game's solid level design and spot-on control system means you spend more time focused on the outstanding combat that worrying about the motives of a highly strung terrorist obsessed with the destruction of gambling dens.

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Formation rappelling – you'd think the terrorists would get the hint.

The thing that's improved no end over previous Rainbow Six titles - and, by extension most other squad combat titles - is the control system, and part of this results from the way the game flits seamlessly between first and third person viewpoints. By default, the game operates in the traditional first person view, but whenever you make use of any of the many cover points it pans out to a highly effective third person view. Not only does this instantly frame the action in a more effective manner, it allows the player to see more of what's going on, allowing you to better judge how to respond when you're pinned down by enemy fire. If you're behind a box and want to fire over the top, you can. Likewise, firing around the sides of any sort of cover is as simple as keeping the left trigger held down and edging out, and it's a system that's both effective and intuitive.

Safe from harm

The similarities with Gears of War's duck and cover gameplay are unavoidable - both make it imperative to make good use of cover at all times, both let you peep out from behind cover to fire, both make it easy to blindfire, both let you revive downed squad mates, and both have (usually) decent AI. Both games even subscribe to similar checkpointing and recharging health mechanics, with room clearing always the main objective. But however many element you match up, Rainbow Six is very much its own game, still subscribing to a slower-paced formula where death is always imminent, care must be taken at every step, and wise marshalling of your squad mates is as important as your ability to aim. Play it like a traditional gung-ho shooter and you'll still have your arse handed to you quicker than you can reload, making it feel more aligned with the Call of Duty 2 (and 3) way of approaching firefights than the empty-an-entire-clip-into-his-face requirement of GoW.

But it's important to note just how dramatically the recharging health system impacts the Rainbow Six gameplay dynamic. All the way through the series, you knew that just one slip-up was curtains, and that your declining health was inevitably carried into later parts of a particular level. With that taken away, you're effectively allowed to take many more risks than you ever could before, and, as such, the game now feels a lot less tense, a lot more forgiving, and definitely a lot less frustrating than it ever was in the past. Previously, you'd often have to literally memorise entire chunks of a level in order to squeak through, but the knowledge that you can take a few hits and fully recover makes the gameplay more of a game of cat-and-mouse. You know that with this new system you can afford to peep out, return fire, take a breather, and go back-and-forth until you've taken out all the hostiles.

Also, the role of your squad mates has been improved no end, despite the slightly mystifying reduction in numbers from four to three. In the past, you almost always knew that you'd have to take the lead, because their aim could be so damned shoddy, or they'd flounder when ambushed. But in Vegas, they're not only a much better shot, but react intelligently to situations, finding cover when it's obvious that your orders to stray into the line of fire were rubbish. As such, your role is much more as commander, providing fire support when you can. Trying to take the lead in Vegas just gets you into trouble, as your squad mates simply react a lot quicker than you do. They can still get into trouble, of course - but the penalties for them getting shot are nowhere near as strict as previously. Of course, in the past, if they were incapacitated, that was it for the rest of the level - but not any more, thanks to the infinite ability to revive them via yourself or another squad member within a limited time period.

'Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas' Screenshot 3

Sadly you can't play the machines.

Fun over realism

With that in mind, progress through each level is much less of a headache than it ever was. Does that mean Ubisoft has dumbed it down a touch? A little. Is sacrificing realism for fun less satisfying as a result? Possibly. Will you enjoy it more without having to face such stiff penalties for failure? Almost certainly.

That's not to say the game is easy, because even the default Normal difficulty provides plenty of challenge when Ubisoft dictates it. As with every R6 game down the years, there's still plenty of tight, confined indoor room-clearing that requires a thoughtful approach, but perhaps the main difference is the reaction time from your squaddies and from the enemy is more in your favour for once. Long-term fans will be pleased to know that at its core, though, the old-style gameplay is still very much intact - it's just been refined and made slightly more accessible, presumably to tap into the mainstream shooter audience. The whole process of clearing rooms seems to have been pared down for the good, though, with a simple context-sensitive approach where you order your men to 'stack' next to a door by pointing your cursor at it. Once they're in formation, all it takes is to select one of three options with the corresponding dpad direction - open and clear, frag and clear or breach and clear (we'd argue that 'flash and clear' should be in there too - an extra command on the dpad would have made no difference to its simplicity). With just a further prompt required to send them into action, it's a system which is both easy to set up and extremely effective.

Snaaaaake!

Added to that - although not essential if you're playing on normal difficulty - is the ability to use the new 'snake cam' under any door and 'tag' up to two priority targets that you see by aiming at the required terrorist and pressing the right shoulder button. Using this allows you to target a room via a different entrance in the knowledge that your squad mates will take care of specific enemies - a very important factor during hostage rescue scenarios, and a hugely welcome new addition.

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Oops upside your head

Added to all this general slick AI intelligence and control refinements is a more open-ended approach to the level design, where alternative routes allowing you greater scope to flank enemies or take a more daring approach. A typical example is later on in the game where you're able to 'fast rope' down through a glass roof and storm a room - or, you can just take the stairs and battle it out in a more considered, traditional sense. Also added to Vegas is the ability to rappel down the sides of buildings (or lift shafts) - no big deal on its own, except that you can click the stick and turn yourself upside down to spring a surprise attack. Being able to command men to breach through plate glass windows adds an extra touch of drama to an already furious game.

Talking of drama, Vegas does a fine job of tying together all the strands of the storyline in a far better way than previous Rainbow Sixes ever managed. Taking its cue from GRAW, you're given plenty of picture-in-picture video feeds throughout, and at the end of each of the chapters you hook up with laptop-fan Joanna Torres and briefed as you fly to your next port of call. GRAW players will recall how impressive these flythrough sequences were there, and they're an even more glorious demonstration of the tech - partly because the Neon-flecked skyline lends itself so well to this show-off treatment, and partly because the glitzy architecture is so instantly identifiable. Tied together, you're given a much more visually enticing incentive to pay attention, whereas before the presentation was, frankly, awful. Even little touches like being able to fiddle with your equipment loadout for the next mission just feels a lot more natural. It's abundantly clear that Ubisoft has been listening to previous criticisms and tackling them head-on.

Casino Royale with cheese

Still, it's by no means the definite article, and there's still tangible room for improvement for the inevitable follow-up next year. The chief 'problem' is the fact that it's just not that interesting to have to fight through numerous casinos. One is fine, two is stretching it, but three? In what is a fairly short-ish campaign (set over six acts, lasting 8-10 hours), the game really needed a better premise than having to duke it out among fruit machines, neon lights, golden statues and roulette tables. There's enough variety elsewhere for it to not be a real deal-breaker, but Ubisoft stretches the whole Casino locale beyond novelty. Was it really that essential to the premise?

As it demonstrated with the brilliant-but-flawed GRAW single player campaign, Ubisoft still hasn't quite worked out what constitutes an acceptable distance between checkpoints. Most of the time Vegas gets it absolutely spot-on, but on a few notable teeth-grinding occasions it will suddenly demand the player stays alive for an unexpectedly long time through numerous blistering, unpredictable sections. With the new recharging health system, such instances are mercifully rare, but when you've repeated the same section 10, 15 times and have to repeat 10 or more minutes of painstaking progress, it's on the cusp of pad-bouncingly annoying. On a related note, playing the game on a standard definition TV instantly made the game about 50 per cent harder, due to not being able to see your enemies very clearly. But that's another story altogether.

One note solo

You could also argue that Rainbow Six Vegas sticks rather too rigidly to one specific gameplay style throughout. Ok, so the extra emphasis on outdoor gameplay makes for a refreshing change to clearing out office complexes, but there are no memorable gameplay curveballs of note to break up the action. Even Lockdown with its Sniper sections tried to change the gameplay emphasis, so it's slightly disappointing to see the game's focus stay the same for almost the entire game.

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Maybe just slightly better than Blackpool.

If you want to get really nitpicky over what is a generally lovely looking game, you might well notice that it's officially the reddest game ever. Whether it's the neon, or just an artistic decision, it's the sort of game that makes you wonder if there might be something wrong with your TV. But do not adjust your set! Equally odd - and equally unimportant - is the realisation that Ubisoft still can't seem to make a Rainbow Six game with even vaguely realistic looking NPCs. Given how great the main character and his squaddies look, you'd expect better. We're not expecting spot-on human likenesses, but there's something slightly freakish-looking about all of the hostages you meet in the game - not just in terms of their weird expressionless faces, but their odd, simplistic animations. One day we'll stop having to reference silly things like this, and it'll be a glorious occasion.

As for the multiplayer - it's once again a great way to while away some uncomplicated online hours in all the usual competitive and collaborative ways. New this year is the ability to create your own online avatar using the new Xbox Live Vision camera add-on and the long-established but painfully under utilised Digimask technology. By simply tweaking the lighting conditions and posing for one face-on and one side-on mugshot, the game spits out a remarkably accurate representation of your mush in a matter of a few minutes. From there you can apply a few 'modifications' to your appearance, adding face paint, scars and all manner of scary additions that would frighten Gene Simmons himself. The main drawback is that Digimask's tech still can't really 'do' hair as such, so you end up getting a fair idea of what you'd look like with a short crop, which is interesting in itself. Still, it's a damned fine effort, and means that whenever you go online, people can actually see that it's you - especially useful if you're playing co-op or fancy being able to fully identify the person you're shooting between the eyes in adversarial matches.

Playable, as ever, over split screen (up to four players), system link and online (for up to 16 players), you get a full complement of modes to cater for just about every kill-based whim you might have, along with ten maps for most modes (seven for Attack & Defend). Sharpshooter provides ye olde deathmatch thrills in a free-for-all most-kills-wins spree, Survival is Last Man Standing by another name, while the remaining four adversarial modes put the emphasis on teamwork. First up is the objective-based Attack & Defend, where, literally one team defends an objective point while other attacks it, then there's Retrieval, a CTF variant where each team must race to nab biohazard cannisters and take them back to their base, while Team Sharpshooter and Team Survival are pretty self-explanatory. All modes are available in ranked or unranked 'player' matches, with points earned contributing to your overall rank. As you rank up, you can unlock new weapons and equipment to help give you the edge in combat.

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Hands up who let one off.

Where Rainbow Six Vegas inevitably comes alive online is when you play it in co-op. If you fancy playing through the story mode, you can choose one of the 20 maps in any part of the campaign and enjoy it with up to three other friends - with the ability to reserve private slots (which also applies to all the other modes, helpfully). The less connected Co-op Terrorist Hunt mode (also available in single player, remember) lends itself better to online play, with players tasked with clearing any given map of all the terrorists within a specific time limit. Simply put, the game is an absolute joy to play online, with a simple set up procedure, sensible non-retarded players, no lag in evidence (and a connection meter to alert you to everyone's status) and a real sense of genuine co-operation and teamwork, which is exactly how it should be. The only drawback is when you find yourself eliminated early on and forced to spectate while the (potentially long) match plays out. Typically, though, patience and care removes any real likelihood of that. Although there's nothing especially revolutionary about this year's online portion of Rainbow Six, it still ranks as one of the most enjoyable online games console gaming has to offer, with a great selection of modes, some excellent maps and even the opportunity to earn some achievement points without having to be some sort of online gaming junkie.

Rainbow Six Vegas is unquestionably an excellent - and very welcome - return to form for the series. It's a crafted, well-rounded package that nails all the fundamentals of what a squad-based shooter should be about, with fantastic controls and great AI making it a consistent pleasure to chip through the campaign. Online - with the right players - it has the potential to be even better, especially in the collaborative modes. To really catapult it into the very highest bracket, Ubisoft still needs to work on a more compelling premise and improve on some of the production values, but otherwise Vegas represents one of the best shooters on the market and deserves to succeed.

8 / 10

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  • krudster #1 5 years ago

    Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn.
  • kangarootoo #2 5 years ago

    Any left hand support krudster?
  • Moonprince #3 5 years ago

    What game is *Gear* of War then?
  • Steroyd #4 5 years ago

    First 3 page review to score an 8?

    Opta stats anyone?
  • Rambaldi #5 5 years ago

    Another feather in the 360 cap. Nice :)
  • krudster #6 5 years ago

    Yes, Southpaw support is in there, along with Legacy and Legacy Southpaw.
  • Rambaldi #7 5 years ago

    "Rainbow Six Vegas is an absolutely huge leap up for the series, and easily one of the best tactical shooters ever made."

    Does this not sound more like a 9?

    P.S. I'm no scorewhore, just curious
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 12:51
  • Halo.Jones #8 5 years ago

    It's the 4 player online co-op game that swings it for me. must trade in some games to get this on the cheap.

    Good review Krud....
  • Mr_Whacker #9 5 years ago

    So is the 'get hit, rest and you're fine again' mechanic going to take over every new game? I find it can pull me out of the experience a bit which is fine in Gears but seems odd in this. I'm all for shouting swear words at the telly less though (during gaming, I'll always shout at the fools on 'I'm a fame addict make me eat maggots'). Thoughts?
  • Talha #10 5 years ago

    Wow. Ubisoft are on a roll with the Tom Clancy games. And they deserve it, putting in so much effort and care.

  • alimokrane #11 5 years ago

    Is it Region Free Krudster ????
  • morriss #12 5 years ago

    You're a strange one sometimes Krud. The two pages made me think this was a potential GotY and then the last page pulls the rug from under my expectations!! :)

    With Viva, GoW, Tiger Woods (still loads to do) and Pro Evo (barely played) to get through. This has got 'January' written all over it. But then again, Lost Planet and Bioshock are out then....
  • morriss #13 5 years ago

    Oh one more thing, does it support Co-Op over Live a la GoW? I couldn't tell from your review if you meant Co-Op on the same XBox or over Live.
  • krudster #14 5 years ago

    Yeah, very much so. Less finickity than GRAW in single player, and more fun online IMO.
  • krudster #15 5 years ago

    Yes, I did mean Co-op over Live. Though it isn't drop-in/drop-out like GoW which is a shame.

    I've no idea if this is region free, btw.
  • dog2_99 #16 5 years ago

    This is region free...IMPORT:

    http://www.play-asia.com around £25 anyone?
  • Rich72 #17 5 years ago

    region free £27 inc postage from play asia.... bargain
  • morriss #18 5 years ago

    Cheers. That's a huge selling point for me anyway.
  • samk #19 5 years ago

    Odd that they decided to start the game in Mexico, rather than Vegas. I kinda expected it to start off with a bang in Vegas, go off elsewhere for some missions mid-game then return back to Vegas at the end for the finale.

    As for the "get hit, rest and you're fine again" mechanic, much rather that than go on tedious healthkit hunts all the time. As the review rightly mentions, it also encourages you to take risks and try out different things.

    I'll be picking it up - the coop was the deal clincher for me.
  • El_MUERkO #20 5 years ago

    Woo!

    Good to hear that Edge's review was bollox!
  • Der_tolle_Emil #21 5 years ago

    I want this game. I enjoyed the demo a lot and thanks to the region-free games and Play Asia's prices the game seems even more attractive. Just a question of time now. I still have to finish Ridge Racer 6 and Gears of War (although I cannot be bothered to). And Fear, Call of Duty 3 and Viva Pinata should arrive today too.
  • ccfb #22 5 years ago

    "sensible non-retarded players"
    Honestly, no. No, no no.
  • Der_tolle_Emil #23 5 years ago

    @samk: I agree about the recharging health. Giving the player the possibility to try out things without risking his life everytime really enhances the gameplay. If I died everytime I tried something I would be really discouraged to try anything out at all and play just by the rules. Which could get boring after quite a while.
  • ccfb #24 5 years ago

    How's the framerate over the demo?
  • Dizzy #25 5 years ago

    Picking this up tonite.

    8/10 on EG for FPS actually means 10/10.
  • krudster #26 5 years ago

    Frame rate? Smooth as.
  • ccfb #27 5 years ago

    Top banana

    edit : for clarification, can I ask what HD setting you're playing on?

    Also, is it something to possibly put in reviews, i.e. the setup you're playing on (Component/VGA, 720p/screen rez etc)
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 13:24
  • mazzl #28 5 years ago

    the "single player campaign" online co-op is absolutily great,
    i loved the fact that i could do serious sam in co-op frenzy absolutely wonderfull.
    there should be a lot more games where this is possible.
    thinking of getting a 360 when the ps3 launches in europe, hoping for a pricedrop.

    offtopic/
    find the 360 still to expansive if you want to use live.
    euro 399 for xbox
    euro 69 for wifi
    euro 39 for extra controller
    euro 55 for game
    -------------------
    thats 550 + euro's

  • krudster #29 5 years ago

    720p, component, 1360x768 screen res.
  • fizzer25 #30 5 years ago

    @ mazzl in relation to it's competitors the 360 is reasonably priced.
    For Wii and PS3 you would still have to pull out money for new controllers and extra games. I do agree that this generation of consoles all should have Wifi as standard, I have a wireless adapter but would prefer it to be built into the 360 for aesthetic reasons alone, never mind the extra cost!!!
  • morriss #31 5 years ago

    @mazzle: You can now buy Bundle Packs with an extra controller and game for £300. So you can strike those off your list. Wifi isn't exactly a necessity either.
  • Carrybagma #32 5 years ago

    Safe from Harm. Massive Attack?
  • Der_tolle_Emil #33 5 years ago

    Any why would you need an extra controller to use live?
  • Eighthours #34 5 years ago

    What was wrong with Edge this month, anyway? Vegas getting a 6, fawning PS3 supplement full of highly suspect conclusions...
  • krudster #35 5 years ago

    If Vegas is a 6/10 I'm Elvis Presley.
  • octo #36 5 years ago

    Honestly, the casino locations do nothing for me whatsoever. The single player demo was great. The multiplayer demo was, in my opinion, uglier than sin. Apart from that it seemed fun.
  • ram #37 5 years ago

    The sun needs to be moved. 24 hours a day isn't enough to play all the great games out for the 360 at the moment.
  • MikeP #38 5 years ago

    Good review, Krudster.

    One slight quibble, though. You mention that ranking up in multiplayer gives you access to equipment that "gives you the edge" in combat. I thought the devs had specifically balanced it so ranking up gives you gear that opens up more styles of play, rather than giving you "better" weapons etc.

    Cheers
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 13:42
  • SBfistfun #39 5 years ago

    Meh, next gen my hiney.

    When does next next gen start, maybe that will be more interesting?
  • Eighthours #40 5 years ago

    If Vegas is a 6/10 I'm Elvis Presley.

    Uh huh huh. I suspected that the reason it got a 6 is because, reviewing it so early, they wouldn't have had a chance to play it on Live. But you think it's worth more than a 6 easily even in single player.

    So their review's just bollocks, basically. They also gave RS3 a 6, as I recall.
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 14:00
  • krudster #41 5 years ago

    Very much so.

    RE: weapons/equipment unlocks, you get slightly better weapons in as much as they're maybe slightly more accurate or do more damage etc. There's always a downside to pretty much whatever weapon you use, but yes, it does open up different 'styles' if you like.
  • Turrican #42 5 years ago

    One thing that wasn't mentioned - how bad are the graphics in the multiplayer mode? Other reviews on the net mention it being cut down.

    Oh and is anyone else getting nasty browser slowdown on the Eurogamer homepage? That PS2 RPG ad seems very bandwith hungry.
  • krudster #43 5 years ago

    Visuals in multiplayer seem good - no idea how you could describe them as ugly in any way.
  • Dizzy #44 5 years ago

    "One thing that wasn't mentioned - how bad are the graphics in the multiplayer mode? Other reviews on the net mention it being cut down. "

    Download the demo(s) dude and see for yourself.
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 14:00
  • octo #45 5 years ago

    Krudster,

    I suppose it's completely objective. Certainly, I am the last graphics nut on the planet but it was literally the first thing I noticed upon downloading the multiplayer demo. Reminded me of counterstrike on the xbox.
  • Normski #46 5 years ago

    one less man in your squad

    Come on boys, it should be "one fewer"
  • ccfb #47 5 years ago

    "720p, component, 1360x768 screen res."

    You tried both? Impressive.
  • pretence #48 5 years ago

    Good review Elvis...;)

    not really my cup of tea though.... seems same as, same as to me

    now that OTHER review, you know little guy, wears green a lot, rides horses... tomorrow perhaps??
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 14:04
  • krudster #49 5 years ago

    ccfb - the 1360x768 screen res refers to the native resolution of the monitor.
  • krudster #50 5 years ago

    There won't be a Zelda review tomorrow. That's for next week. Wii Sports tomorrow.

    Sorry!
  • dudefella #51 5 years ago

    Sounds good. I have a question for EG (or anyone who knows) though: Is the PC version going to be the same game or is it going to be very different, like GRAW's PC version? Hoping it's the same.
  • ccfb #52 5 years ago

    @ K, of course. I see. Glad to hear it's smooth.
  • krudster #53 5 years ago

    The PC version of Vegas will be totally different, yes - and not out until the 15th December, either.
  • Eighthours #54 5 years ago

    There won't be a Zelda review tomorrow. That's for next week. Wii Sports tomorrow.

    Sorry!


    I take it that you guys have been having some 4 player seshes, right? That's the only way to do a fair review of this game, after all!

  • pretence #55 5 years ago

    thanks Krudster.... a least I know now, sniff, sniff....

    4 player Zelda!!!! tell me more?
  • Eighthours #56 5 years ago

    4 player Zelda!!!! tell me more?

    Nope. 4 player Wii Sports.
  • PearOfAnguish #57 5 years ago

    Like the sound of the new health system, I was useless at Raven Shield.
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 14:19
  • pretence #58 5 years ago

    ah yes... that would make more sense... my bad...

    will be playing it on the game cube anyway...

    I'll hold out on a Wii for another year I'd say.... Mario Galaxy I'd say... I just hope my bladder is big enough... badum tish! :p
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 14:21
  • siro #59 5 years ago

    I love the Las Eurogamer banner. Keep it!

    Kristan, your scores might be arguable some times, but your reviews are the most informative online and always nice to read. Keep the good work up!
  • dudefella #60 5 years ago

    "The PC version of Vegas will be totally different, yes - and not out until the 15th December, either."

    :( sad panda.

    will you do a seperate review? I won't know if it's any good without EG ;)

    man, really disappointed that Ubisoft is not bringing the same game to the PC. Just like GRAW - I don't like the PC versions' slower, more tactical pacing at all. I did like Raven Shield though.
  • krudster #61 5 years ago

    Will do a separate review, yes. By then the new release list will be fairly slim, so I don't see why not.
  • Darren #62 5 years ago

    I got this game this morning but haven't had the chance to try it yet but I'm looking forward to playing it as I enjoyed both demos.

    One thing I have heard is that the final game has v-sync tearing issues which weren't in the single or multiplayer demos I played. It looks like the developers fixed the shaky framerate of the single player demo by turning off v-sync which is more than a little disappointing for me.

    Why do so many Xbox 360 games have v-sync issues when the hardware is supposed to be, like, 11-13X more powerful than the Xbox (according to Microsoft)? I mean Rainbow Six Vegas looks nice but squint a bit and it would almost pass for a hi-def Xbox Rainbow Six game really as the textures aren't all that impressive and there are lots of jaggy edges. :?
  • morriss #63 5 years ago

    Hey krudster, do you want to borrow my copy of Tiger Woods '07? You'll 'love' it, I'm sure! :)
  • #64 5 years ago

    Kristan I have had my doubts about this game and have held off buying it.

    Not any more, a region free copy of this will soon be winging it's way to me from Play-Asia.

    Nice review, I think I caught some of your enthusiasm :)
  • krudster #65 5 years ago

    The so-called V-sync issues weren't an issue at all. Not on my TV anyway. I noticed it for all of about 3 seconds at the start of the game and didn't see it again from then on. It's not Saints Row, put it that way.
  • krudster #66 5 years ago

    Morriss, I will get around to Tiger Woods soon, promise!
  • septimus #67 5 years ago

    Eighthours

    What was wrong with Edge this month, anyway? Vegas getting a 6, fawning PS3 supplement full of highly suspect conclusions...
    I agree. This months was a complete fanboy fest about the PS3. It's as if they ignored everything online report about the machine completely.

    Good review from EG and GS. So definitely picking up tomorrow.
  • Mart #68 5 years ago

    ...one fewer men in your squad.

    Did you do that on purpose? Blatantly it should be 'mans' now.
  • bloodflowers #69 5 years ago

    Did they fix the frame rate at all in offline mode? It was absolutely shocking in the demo, and they did even mention something about working on it on the official forums.

    The MP graphics are fine - move quick, stuff is more visible than offline - that's the important bases covered.
  • krudster #70 5 years ago

    Yes, the frame rate is absolutely fine.
  • the-fell #71 5 years ago

    they in ur squad fewering up ur mans!!1
  • gizmo #72 5 years ago

    Got this on order for xmas :)
  • TripSkyway #73 5 years ago

    I found the maps designed for multi player looked a bit dicey, but the game play is so good, that you completely forget about it. The look and way the game play works in the attack + defend reminded me of Counterstrike, which for me is a good thing. Excellent game from the few hours I've played.
  • Darren #74 5 years ago

    krudster - "The so-called V-sync issues weren't an issue at all. Not on my TV anyway. I noticed it for all of about 3 seconds at the start of the game and didn't see it again from then on. It's not Saints Row, put it that way."

    Ah thanks, I think I can live with that! :)
  • ZuluHero #75 5 years ago

    See, i was gonna get this, then i wasn't gonna get this, and now i am again thanks to this review! Oh and what about Rainbow 6:Blackpool? That sounds like a 'great' game to me :p

    Nice long review! :)
  • Bitkari #76 5 years ago

    rrrrrrriight.

    £££*cough*£££
  • urban #77 5 years ago

    looks like its got vaseline rubbed all over the screenies like battlefield
  • neosalad #78 5 years ago

    well. i received mine yesterday from play-asia , so whipped it in the 360 as soon as i could, and i have to say i've been mighty impressed, only played the mexican bit of the story mdoe so far, so just got to the casino bits, but i nended up playing on multiplayer (in between a chromehounds session )
    very strange though too see my mug in the multiplayer mode with the live vision camera thing.

    some of thrgraphics in the multiplayer ddnt look as good as they could have but the gameplay is still great. i can see me playing this for a while, and not touching GoW which hasnt really "done it" for me, though i've had some good fun on COD3 but i'm sure i'll get back to them at some point. :)

  • miiiguel #79 5 years ago

    I'm a little embarrassed for not beeing able to enjoy Tom Clancy stuff, I'm too political to enjoy the guy. I know I'm missing a few great titles, but what the heck I think I'd feel even more embarrassed if my girlfriend (as she usual does) sit by my side and asked me what was the plot of the game and what I was trying to accomplish.
    Anyway, it's kinda stupid, but it's just the way it is.
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 16:37
  • barnard666 #80 5 years ago

    I guess I could be the only one who liked the old health system, I like no health packs / quick deaths, its frustrating for sure, but I loved that feeling when I'd get half way through a level, take a bullet, my character would then breathe really badly and I'd feel the tension mounting with every passing gun fight knowing I was closer to the end, and so close to death. I think the hard difficulty should feature the traditional health system, that would really differentiate the two. the same goes for team mate revival.
    I always played the old ones in co-op so I am really pleased that is untouched I was dissapointed by the fact that in GR you couldnt play the single player story through via LAN...
    I have Rainbow sat on my desk and viva pinata, too many games!

    And I thought Tiger Woods was terrible by the way. (ugly, weird controls, odd game structure, still not as good as links! why would wearing different socks give you better driving distance? + its just a bit random, you never know where the ball is going to land, the game makes a random dice roll and lands the ball somewhere with in an area, surely it should be based on how close to the perfect swing I am? oh and the super random ball bounces can be fairly frustrating)
  • kangarootoo #81 5 years ago

    @dudefella

    "Just like GRAW - I don't like the PC versions' slower, more tactical pacing at all"

    I think they were catering more for fans of the original GR games. I personally didn't quite get on with GRAW on the 360. Too many little niggling control issues plus some occasional poor level design spoiled it for me (unlike the multiplayer game, which was a far better engine IMO, if admittedly not as pretty GFX wise).

    A friend of mine who also didn't really like GRAW on 360 loved the PC version. No accounting for taste I guess :)
  • MrCarrot #82 5 years ago

    we'd argue that 'flash and clear' should be in there too

    Isn't this one of the options when you have your team in stealth mode? I'm sure it was in the demo.
  • Kuma #83 5 years ago

    Better than Gears in all but the gfx dept.
    Can't stop playin the demo never mind the full game!
  • ronuds #84 5 years ago

    Does EG give any game a score other than an 8? I'm not complaining, just seeing a trend.
  • Der_tolle_Emil #85 5 years ago

    Wait for the Twilight Princess review if you want higher scores than 8/10.
  • PortJourno #86 5 years ago

    You can use flash and clear, you just need to change the rules of engagement to stealth (LB button) before entering a room
  • krudster #87 5 years ago

    Ok, thanks for that - it's not made very clear in that case (there's no tutorial mission either, btw).

    Good to know, though.
  • PortJourno #88 5 years ago

    Yeah, they explain it during the Mexico level. It's really important to order your guys into stealth mode, because they won't shoot at the terrorists unless it's in self-defense. So, you can prepare your positions without alerting the enemy. Loved the game, really did, glad to see R6 back to form
  • PortJourno #89 5 years ago

    Btw, in which way is the PC Vegas different from the 360 version, anyone knows? Does it still use the brilliant cover system?
  • Roccus #90 5 years ago

    What little comments there have been from ubi regarding the PC version, they have said that its a direct port of the 360 version with menu and control changes. Given the 360 version is a Unreal Engine 3 game, i suspect it was easier to do the straight port.

    However its a SM3 game, so XT1xxx and nvidia 6XXX and above required...
  • PortJourno #91 5 years ago

    Cheers, Roccus. I can easily see this running on a PC, just don't know how the cover system would work with mouse and keyboard.
  • Roccus #92 5 years ago

    Well if they have the right mouse button to toggle the cover mode, you could use the wasd keys to pop out of cover in the direction you want and still have mouse for aiming.
  • KD #93 5 years ago

    Nice revew and great to see a reviewer take the time to answer so many questions. I also like the 8/10's being given for these games lately because in 12 months time and beyond the better games will have some room to score higher when they learn things like using the 3 cores etc and getting to the limits of the console/s. I may be alone thinking this but i consider a 6/10 a good review if i'm interested in the games theme/past games and just hearing the studio making r6 vegas was responsible for R6 3 and Black Arrow will make me get it when i got a few spare notes in my pcket
  • PortJourno #94 5 years ago

    Sounds like a seller to me, Roccus ;-) see any problems on running this with a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
    Edited by 1 at 30/11/06 @ 18:16
  • captainrentboy #95 5 years ago

    Ahhh Edge,that last issue was an absolute joke wasn't it?I mean most of you seem to take the piss a bit out of EG's writers saying that they're slightly Bias in favour of Sony.(Although from their PS3 launch game reviews I think that theory has been pretty much debunked)
    But that last Edge magazine right from the off couldn't have been licking Sony's ringpiece anymore,from what I could gather sadly us 360 owners are now owning a last gen machine in regards to both looks and specs when compared to the PS3 and Wii,and the PS3 IS the friggin future of gaming!!
    Terrible multi-format magazine,I only read it because it's free to do so in work.
  • effinwooly #96 5 years ago

    here here captain !!
  • bloodflowers #97 5 years ago

    It's ok, maybe you won't have to tolerate Edge much longer, since Future are bleeding money at the moment.
  • bioreit #98 5 years ago

    @ Krudster

    I really do apologise, but the irony-fiend in me can suppress himself no longer:

    Edit from Krudster: yep that's officially embarrassing!
    Edited by 1 at 01/12/06 @ 07:31
  • captain-future #99 5 years ago

    I need an executive summary.

    Wasn't this the same Eurogamer that lamented about "too long games and we need shorter ones"?

    I need shorter reviews too.
  • krudster #100 5 years ago

    If you're deliberately trying to wind people up, you're going about it the right way.
  • captainrentboy #101 5 years ago

    The Edge writers are cock sniffers,and Bill should have them destroyed for what they said.
    That or they shouldn't get any more Microsoft PR goodies from here on in.
  • Eighthours #102 5 years ago

    Edge was spot on about the 360 this month.

    It will have been uncomfortable reading for Microsoft fanboys though.


    The fact that you agree with it shows just how off-base it was.

    Anyway, Vegas. Apart from the awful tearing in the first part of the first level - which then strangely disappears as if by magic - it's amazing!
  • krudster #103 5 years ago

    Keep going Herod, we need a good bust-up. This comment thread was suspiciously sane until you waded in with something utterly irrelevant to R6 Vegas.
  • Mr_Whacker #104 5 years ago

    Yay, barnard666 got what I meant about health. In Gears or Halo the recharge works well because the game is meant to be played more frantically. In R6 you want stealth and tension which for me is better with a trad health system. The 'skin of the teeth' feeling is one of the reasons I love games and common to games from different genres. For me its the same 'just about hanging in there' feeling in Forza and Geo Wars.

    2 things -
    - There are no rules. Just because it isn't a recharge system does not mean there must be health packs and repetition from bad checkpointing. I can think of a few ways to implement it better.
    - I hate the bandwagon mentality thats going on. I want the best system for the game, not what is trendy in the market at the momment.
  • asphaltcowboy #105 5 years ago

    Got this on pre-order, but HMV seem to be slacking :/

    Still, a few questions: In the demo, I thought the enemy tagging was on the 'Back' button. Has this changed? Also, recently there was a dev diary video saying that it was only 2player splitscreen... is it now 4?

    Can't wait for this to arrive!
  • Monkey #106 5 years ago

    How many people started playing R6:V like GoW then? I felt a bit of a dummy pressing A to duck for cover and to dive to the side... methinks I've been playing an intuitive type of game for too long.
    The tearing was noticed, what's that all about... the engine being pushed too much!!

    :)
  • bioreit #107 5 years ago

    @Krudster

    Ok, am I pleased that my lingustic-fascism prevailed, or disturbed that my comment gets edited out?

    I just need to take the bad with the good, I suppose ...

    By the way, I can point out LOADS more mistakes with everyone's articles if you want.

    ;-)
  • krudster #108 5 years ago

    Sure, go ahead - though feel free to mail me personally as sometimes comments don't get picked up on.
  • bioreit #109 5 years ago

    :o

    "God, I was just joking Minerva!"

    :D

    Ok, I can't do this whole thing with emoticons and quotes from Hudson Hawk, no matter how much I would wish otherwise...

    Cool - I promise to try and limit it to glaring ones, a la 'That which shall not be mentioned', although it's difficult to quiet the beast once awakened.

    In those instances, your best bet is to make one of your colleagues run a distraction and hope it gets diverted long enough for you to slip away.
    Edited by 1 at 02/12/06 @ 12:06
  • Martin #110 5 years ago

    @krudster: It's impossible to e-mail you! I've been trying to get in touch with you on 4 occasions over the past weeks and no dice no matter what I do. :/
  • Darren #111 5 years ago

    I think this game is absolutely brilliant and rock hard (read: realistic-ish bar the wonderfully useful health recharging system) but the horrid v-sync issues, that seem to occur when the game has more than two enemies onscreen or any smoke/particle effects, let the otherwise outstanding visuals down a bit and makes the game feel a little rough and ragged. It depresses me that the Xbox 360 cannot do amazing graphics without some kind of compromise, in this case, a completely smooth-moving framerate. I actually prefer the multiplayer visuals which might be toned down but at least seem to move all nice and smooth.

    I wonder if it'll be the same on the PS3 when it comes out next year...
  • SomaticSense #112 5 years ago

    Brilliant game. Hard, but fucking brilliant.

    One prob with the review though:

    "Once they're in formation, all it takes is to select one of three options with the corresponding dpad direction - open and clear, frag and clear or breach and clear (we'd argue that 'flash and clear' should be in there too - an extra command on the dpad would have made no difference to its simplicity)."

    There is actually a 'Flash and Clear', plus a 'Smoke and Clear' as well. You have to set your squaddies to 'Infiltrate' using the left bumber and you'll get those extra options when they line up to a door (did you even play the game?).
    Besides, using 'down' on the d-pad to add an extra option would be stupid, as how the hell would you get them to follow you again if you decide that going through that door is maybe not such a good idea? That could possibly lead to instant death, because there would be no way to abort the action thus having no option but recklessly throwing your teammates into a room full of hostiles.

    /goes back to reading the rest of the review :)
  • SomaticSense #113 5 years ago

    /finishes reading review

    Ok, this is probably the first EG review I've actually disagreed on a few points with. Not because I disagree with the fact you are saying it is a great game - it is - but some of your points are ridiculously picky.

    "Even Lockdown with its Sniper sections tried to change the gameplay emphasis, so it's slightly disappointing to see the game's focus stay the same for almost the entire game."

    Yey!!! Shitty stealth sections and crap driving levels FOR THE WIN!!!!! Actually, um, no.....

    "the game really needed a better premise than having to duke it out among fruit machines, neon lights, golden statues and roulette tables. There's enough variety elsewhere for it to not be a real deal-breaker, but Ubisoft stretches the whole Casino locale beyond novelty. Was it really that essential to the premise?"

    Clue is in the title - Rainbow Six: ..... *drum roll*..... Vegas. To be honest, not once did the thought "too many casinos" come into my head. Who really gives a shit as long as the levels are well structured, the graphics are great and the gameplay is fantastic. Using this opinion you could also say "Gears of War had too many levels out in the street". Yeah exactly, ridiculous.

    "The similarities with Gears of War's duck and cover gameplay are unavoidable - both make it imperative to make good use of cover at all times, both let you peep out from behind cover to fire, both make it easy to blindfire, both let you revive downed squad mates, and both have (usually) decent AI."

    I agree with all these points.... apart from the fact that Gears' squaddie AI was far from "decent". It was fucking awful, especially on Hardcore difficulty. RS:Vegas' AI was infinitely better to my experience and was useful as opposed to useless

    And yes, the story is far-fetched and slightly ridiculous. But then that's what I love about it. The whole game felt like you are playing an episode of 24 with the constantly escalating but far-fetched twist-ridden story. 24 is amazingly good fun though, 'nuff said.
    Plus I am glad they took out that extra teammate. The way these levels were designed meant that not once did I miss the 4th member. If anything if Ubi did put in the extra man, the levels would have been too crowded. Three's a party, four's a crowd.

  • Rambaldi #114 5 years ago

    Top game. Pants graphics. End of.
  • Eighthours #115 5 years ago

    Besides, using 'down' on the d-pad to add an extra option would be stupid, as how the hell would you get them to follow you again if you decide that going through that door is maybe not such a good idea? That could possibly lead to instant death, because there would be no way to abort the action thus having no option but recklessly throwing your teammates into a room full of hostiles.

    You can just point somewhere else and press "A", of course...

    The option I've really missed on a number of occasions is when you tag a terrorist (who hasn't seen you yet) as first priority, and then have no option to control when your man takes the shot. You have to instigate the combat situation yourself before your men will start firing in infiltration mode, and in assault mode they'll fire as soon as they see anyone.

    It's also a shame that you can't direct your 2 teammates to different places, but that's another issue. Some of the rooms do seem very much designed for online co-op with their 3 or 4 entry points, and will probably be much easier (yet possibly more satisfying) as a result.

  • TelexStar #116 5 years ago

    Set mode "Pedant!"..

    Added to all this general slick AI intelligence and control refinements is a more

    Artificial Intelligence intelligence?
  • Pachinko #117 5 years ago

    I find the checkpointing absolutely atrocious throughout, the AI substandard (it's actually more scripted than anything), the command structure limited (no on-map orders, limited to both AI squard members at once). It's more of an excercise in frustration than in good level & situation design. A step up from Lockdown, to be sure, but nowhere near an 8. Edge was much more accurate and less forgiving in their review.

    But wait, could there be a connection between the forgiving Vegas review on the EG site and the fact there has been a Vegas ad plastered all over it for days? Of course not.
  • Amazing Bryan #118 5 years ago

    I've never liked Rainbox Six, but I've completed the demo four times now and just ordered from play-asia. Who wants realism when playing games? That's why your play games to get away from it.