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Early PS3 buyers may feel cheated, admits Sony News

PlayStation 3 News by Games Industry.biz

8 October, 2007

Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ray Maguire has admitted those who shelled out GBP 425 for a PlayStation 3 earlier this year might feel cheated after hearing news of the price drop to GBP 349.

"I think it's natural to feel that way, of course it is," Maguire told our old friends at GamesIndustry.biz.

"The difference between our industry and many other industries is that if you're selling cars or houses the price goes up steadily. Consumer electronics only goes one way and that's downwards."

According to Maguire, the reward for paying premium prices is you get to try out new technology before everybody else.

"One thing is common amongst the entire market for consumer electronics and that is that there are early adopters like myself who will spend GBP 10,000 on a plasma TV that is worth GBP 3000 within three years. That's the way the market goes," he said.

"What do they get for that? They get six months of enjoyment of the product before anybody else gets that ability to play."

The price drop will come into effect this Wednesday, when Sony will also launch a new 40GB PlayStation 3. Maguire said this is the next step for the company as it bids to attract more gamers to PS3. He denied there's any confusion over the different models available in different regions.

"As products evolve the offerings change because they have to adapt to the needs of the consumers but I don't think it's been particularly confusing in six months to go from standalone, to a bundled proposition, into a low price entry level model," he said.

"We also have to remember that consumers don't search around the world for different configurations. We are a global company but we have to act locally as well."

For more from Maguire, read the full interview over on GamesIndustry.biz.

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Vandrius
08/10/07 @ 09:27
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We all knew it would happen.

Price drops are always a good thing (ed: For the consumer), and anyone saying otherwise is trolling.
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aidey6
08/10/07 @ 09:29
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Perhaps sending premium PSN users a 1st party game, would a pleasant surprise for those early adopters..... or a £20 voucher for somewhere like GAME
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Stu
08/10/07 @ 09:30
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I can't believe anyone didn't think that was going to happen. Price drops in games consoles are as certain as taxation and death.
richardiox
08/10/07 @ 09:30
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Price drops are a good thing. Price drops 6 months after launch suggest however that the initial pricing model was way off and needing correcting prematurely to preserve any chance of the machines success. See also N64 and Xbox as examples.
Moonprince
08/10/07 @ 09:33
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10k for a tv? God Damn
Daikon
08/10/07 @ 09:33
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What do they get for that? They get six months of enjoyment of the product before anybody else gets that ability to play."

That's right. The PS3 is still the best GBP 425 photo viewer on the market.
lambtron
08/10/07 @ 09:33
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Motorstorm was pretty good - maybe not good enough for six months though :)
Shrub
08/10/07 @ 09:34
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Price drop = good
Specification cut = bad

With the 40 gig you are getting less value for your money. For those of us that value BC the cut of that feature is significant.

What I want to hear from Sony is a firm promise to retain or reintroduce a BC equipped PS3 model, at a higher price if necessary.
Kiigan
08/10/07 @ 09:35
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""What do they get for that? They get six months of enjoyment of the product before anybody else gets that ability to play.""

Or in my case, I got six months of having fuck all to play on it, mixed with regret that MGS4 was pushed back to 2008. My PS3 isn't even plugged in anymore.
Steroyd
08/10/07 @ 09:37
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I would have felt cheated if they didn't gimp the 40GB besides a price cut always happens very early in Europe because we get it later than everyone else in the world.
NOSAVIOUR
08/10/07 @ 09:42
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I got the pleasure of playing shite games early. More fool me.
2099net
08/10/07 @ 09:42
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Of course the price cut wouldn't be that big a deal if the machine launched in Europe when it was supposed to, but yeah, the cut does seem a little early into the machine's life (if we take the machine's life in Europe to start at March '07).

But Sony were in a fix. Cut the price elsewhere, and Christmas sales in PAL-land would be non-existant as everybody waited for the price cut to hit home.

Bit odd, no other countries have had an official price-cut announcement yet. But then again, it's PAL-land with its overpricing which needed it the most I guess.
Hypnopedia
08/10/07 @ 09:42
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>Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ray Maguire has admitted those who shelled out GBP 425 for a PlayStation 3 earlier this year might feel cheated after hearing news of the price drop to GBP 349.

Not to mention the people who bought it last week...
TafKas
08/10/07 @ 09:44
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I think people adopting now may feel cheated as soon as they try to buy any games for it. or when they look at a 360 running Halo 3, Gears Of War etc.....
bivith
08/10/07 @ 09:44
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"What do they get for that? They get six months of enjoyment of the product before anybody else gets that ability to play."

Um, not if they bought it last week. cock.
el_pollo_diablo
08/10/07 @ 09:46
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I got one from hong kong, pre-european launch, with two controllers an HDMI cable and Resistance for £310.

Therefore I win.
drumbaby
08/10/07 @ 09:47
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Bought my PS1 when Alien Trilogy hit...for £314 all in. Six weeks later there was a huge price drop. I can't remember what exactly, but I do remember thinking 'oh shit.'

And then remembering I'd been playing DOOM and Alien Trilogy pretty solidly for those 6 weeks.

This 7 months later, and I've had alot of use from my PS3 as a games machine and Blu-Rayer.

It happens.
MattDamon
08/10/07 @ 09:48
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The handling of the PS3 in Europe has been disgraceful.

Posted elsewhere that I got my 60GB version of the PS3 in the States eight months ago for £300. And I still feel resentment towards the machine, it's barely had any play time in comparison to my Wii and particularly as of late my 360.

Anyone welcoming this new model is kidding themselves that Sony is on the right track.
JohnnyWashnGo
08/10/07 @ 09:51
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It looks like the people who waited to buy a PS3 until good software surface did the right thing.

In the long run, if you buy the hardware early at the early-adopter price point, you risk sending the manufacturer the message that the price is right. They will only charge what they believe the market will support and if you hold off long enough, the message will get through to them that the market will _not_ support a £425 price point.

A price drop this early in the PS3s lifetime will promote sales of the machine during the crazy season and provide ammunition to those who will say that the machine is doomed to failure.

Those who bought a PS3 since launch did so knowing that they were paying a premium. Its not like this kinda thing doesn't happen in the console world. And Sony never put a gun to your head, forcing you to buy it at £425. Be happy that more people can afford it now, which will mean more games will be developed for it. If it had stayed at £425, Sony would have risked having a third place console which would stand little chance of getting any good exclusive titles.

In summary, price cut good, hardware being neutered bad.
Guff-Pipe
08/10/07 @ 09:52
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'six months of enjoyment'

You've got to be kidding, right?! What's to enjoy then?

Motorstorm
Warhawk
Virtua tennis
Oblivion
Resistance
Being able to watch HD films and surf the Internet on my TV
Could be better I admit. But could be worse.
Xerx3s
08/10/07 @ 09:52
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Early adopters always get fucked, if you're not happy with that, don't be an early adopter.

1+1.
bauhaus
08/10/07 @ 09:53
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who cares
mcwildcard
08/10/07 @ 09:56
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I paid £380 for the bundle pack (inc quidco discount) on the day it hit play.com, I don't regret it for a second. Anyone who does moan is an idiot, games systems never hold their value for more than a few months early on.
Anyone who is 'into' PC building and upgrading is more than used to seeing their expensive components drop to affordable prices within 6 months, it's the same thing.
Xerx3s
08/10/07 @ 09:56
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Guff-Pipe: LOL @ ESIV & VT3.
Garulon
08/10/07 @ 09:57
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""What do they get for that? They get six months of enjoyment of the product before anybody else gets that ability to play."

Um, not if they bought it last week. cock. "

After launch, nobody did buy it though. Ripping out huge noticable chunks of functionality in order to drop your price is very definitely not a new thing. Even the 360 Core can have backwards compatibility enabled by adding the hard disk drive, and that's the cheapest next-gen system on the market.
MattDamon
08/10/07 @ 09:58
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I don't think the early adopters have been f''cked.

Look at what's been removed in the 299 version. And then also consider how many bundles have been on the go at the 425 price tag.

This is a real slide of hand from Sony.

IT'S NOT A PRICE DROP AT ALL.

Will the public realise that. I think they will.

This isn't enough from Sony at all in my opinion.

Should have brought the proper 60GB version down to 299.

SIDEARM
08/10/07 @ 09:59
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Arse - when Microsft dropped th original xbox price in the first six months they gave me 2 free first party games and an extra controller. What do Sony give me? A nice big FU!
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2099net
08/10/07 @ 09:59
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Has any console that had a price drop so soon ever survived? Or at least gone on to meet expectations?

I'm thinking of the original XBox, the Gamecube and the Lynx
djronz
08/10/07 @ 10:00
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in six years time you'll get em at asda for £50, if you feel your gonna get ripped wait until then.
SIDEARM
08/10/07 @ 10:00
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Uh the original xbox did pretty damn well as I recall
paulf
08/10/07 @ 10:01
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oh well all that extra money they spent can go to buy him another 10 grand tele
septimus
08/10/07 @ 10:02
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Meh, not bothered. Happens with every console.

That and I only payed 375 on launch day for mine so not feeling cheated as such.
mattigan
08/10/07 @ 10:03
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It's interesting to see that it's starting to be the PS3 owners themselves berating Sony for the shoddy treatment of their consumers, rather than "opposition" fanboys LOLing at them. This is the only way to make a company like Sony actually address your concerns, as soon as they think that they are going to loose market share/money they take action. Although the courses of action they have taken soo far seem to be a bit questionable.

Seems to me that they have spent more money trying to avoid cutting the price of the original SKU (different formats, design changes, marketing etc...), than they would have spent just cutting the price in the firat place!
m0thr4
08/10/07 @ 10:11
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I don't feel cheated. This sort of thing happens all the time with new electronics - you buy it early and pay more, or you wait for the price to drop.

If you buy these sorts of things early without realising this: you're an idiot, plain and simple.

EDIT: For the record, over the last 6 months I have enjoyed/used:

Resistance
Warhawk
Motorstorm
GR:AW2
Colin McRae: Dirt (better than the Xbox 360 version)
Oblivion (also better than the Xbox 360 version)
Lemmings
Locoroco Coccrecho
Blast Factor
Downloadable PS1 games
The web browser
The abliity to stream music, podcasts, video and photos off my Apple Mac
The demos and trailers from both the UK & US PSN stores
Watching Blu-ray discs
Watching DVDs upscaled to HD
The bluetooth remote that you don't have to point anywhere near the PS3.
Backwards compatibility with all my PS2 and PS1 games, all of which can be upscaled to HD
The SD, Compact Flash and Sony Memory Stick slots
Remote control from my PSP
The ability to swap in a 200GB 7200rpm hard drive for only £120.

I'd say I got my money's worth.
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m0thr4
08/10/07 @ 10:21
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"maybe sony should look into doing what ms did when they dropped the price of the xbox 1 and give the early adopters some freebies as a thankyou."

They did that already - We all got a copy of Casino Royale on Blu-ray.
Guff-Pipe
08/10/07 @ 10:26
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Guff-Pipe: LOL @ ESIV & VT3.

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Odd.
MattDamon
08/10/07 @ 10:30
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@mother4

Nothing on your list compares to Gears of War, Halo 3, Bioshock, Wii Sports or Zelda: Twilight Princess in my opinion.

Games maketh the machine.

PS3 isn't completely without software, but to suggest it has a better lineup than the other two machines I think is wrong.
Artemis_Matsas
08/10/07 @ 10:30
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@aidey6

Good idea... although i'm still waiting for the Casino Royal Blu Ray disc i was supposed to receive. Yes, i received an email from Sony saying that "it's on it's way"... but nothing.

Edit: I just wanted to add that i'm enjoying my PS3 to the full, thank you very much.
Warhawk
Resistance
Virtua Fighter
Tekken DR Online
Rainbow Six
Ridge Racer
Motorstorm
Super Stardust HD
Locoroco Cocorecho
Gripshift
NBA 2K7
Heavenly Sword

Preorder:

Orange Box
Drake's Fortune
Rachet and Clank
Assasin's Creed
Call of Duty 4
Singstar PS3
UT3 - hope it's not delayed further

Watching great Blu Ray movies and my pictures - videos on PS3.

Nothing to do on the PS3? Please...
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Guff-Pipe
08/10/07 @ 10:34
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@mother4

Nothing on your list compares to Gears of War, Halo 3, Bioshock, Wii Sports or Zelda: Twilight Princess in my opinion.

Games maketh the machine.

PS3 isn't completely without software, but to suggest it has a better lineup than the other two machines I think is wrong.


I dont think anyone is suggesting it has a better lineup, its fairly apparent that it hasnt. What is being said is that its not as bad as everyone makes out, and a lot of people are happy with their purchase and having a lot of fun with it.
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Farstarbuck
08/10/07 @ 10:35
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Im sorry, but no one expects the 'most powerful, and most popular console this side of Christmas' according to Sony coming down in price in less than 5 months, surely if this console is the rip roaring success that they claim, a price cut is not needed?

So ill tell you what Sony, stop giving me the vickies and send me either a free game or a free controller, or better still both, so that i can hold onto the shred of respect that i have left for you.


They should rename the launch edition of the console, MUG edition.
MattDamon
08/10/07 @ 10:44
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@guffpipe

Okay, as long as everyone is clear on that.

I mean I like a good few of the games I've played on it, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, Colin McRae, Virtua Tennis to name a few.

But even at £300, it's offering nothing more than tarted up PS2 stuff, or stuff that's available on Microsoft's machine for £100 less.

I want Sony to do well, I want everyone to do well. But this price cut is not enough.
miiiguel
08/10/07 @ 11:01
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Hummm..., as probably many know, I'm a 360 enthusiast owner, but, Sony's right on this. Early adopters did enjoyed the system for almost a year now (that must worth something). If it was worth it, dur to the lack of titles/features..., that's debatable...

Continuing an honesty streak, why is it so hard to admit 360 is proving to be a better gaming system? Ok, we can't "swap in a 200GB 7200rpm hard drive for only £120" and "bluetooth remote that you don't have to point anywhere near the PS3"..., but... c'mon... that's a bit (just a bit) ridicule.
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2099net
08/10/07 @ 11:03
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"Uh the original xbox did pretty damn well as I recall"

It didn't do much better than the gamecube if we take into account overall sales. I'm not suggesting it was a disaster, just that it never met Microsoft's expectations. I think few people would argue with that.

The point is, consoles are just as much about perception than actual performance. When the PS2 came out, it had NOTHING that could compare to the Dreamcast's current games - but it won out on the perception that it was better. I'm not going to argue the case if the DC was better than the PS2 or not, but most people agree the Game Cube was better then the PS2, but the perception was, it wasn't. Due to game availability, game type and ultimately price.

Talking of Sega, the Saturn never recovered from being overpriced and it getting a price cut early into its life cycle.

It appears price drops early in console life cycles do not lead to sales success. This price cut, along with features being removed, does not, in any shape or form assue Sony of PS3 success.
MattDamon
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PS2 had a really bad first year, and may not have done so well in the face of serious competition.

It came at a time when people had lost trust in Sega after the Saturn, so could afford the slow start.

By the time the good games came, Nintendo and Microsoft were too late to the party.

That's not the case this time round.

Guff-Pipe
08/10/07 @ 11:20
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@guffpipe

Okay, as long as everyone is clear on that.

I mean I like a good few of the games I've played on it, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5, Colin McRae, Virtua Tennis to name a few.

But even at £300, it's offering nothing more than tarted up PS2 stuff, or stuff that's available on Microsoft's machine for £100 less.

I want Sony to do well, I want everyone to do well. But this price cut is not enough.

I See your point,
For me personally its great for me as I use it not just for games, but for web browsing on my TV, and also for HD films and for all my music collection and Photos, so for me the price I payed, with all the functionality I use, was well worth it. However, I fully understand that a lot of pople dont care about these features and just want to play games, which means the cheaper 360 is a much more attractive option. I will be buying a 360 close to Christmas as there is a load of stuff I want to play, but as far as hardware goes in my opinion the Playstation is a great bit of kit.
m0thr4
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MattDamon

"Nothing on your list compares to Gears of War, Halo 3, Bioshock, Wii Sports or Zelda: Twilight Princess in my opinion.

Games maketh the machine.

PS3 isn't completely without software, but to suggest it has a better lineup than the other two machines I think is wrong."

I didn't suggest it had a 'better lineup' than the other two machines... I just gave a list of the games and features of the PS3 that I have been enjoying over the last six months.

And, are you serious with that list above? None of those games you list above make me feel like I'm missing out by not owning an Xbox 360 or Wii.
m0thr4
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miiiguel

"Continuing an honesty streak, why is it so hard to admit 360 is proving to be a better gaming system? Ok, we can't "swap in a 200GB 7200rpm hard drive for only £120" and "bluetooth remote that you don't have to point anywhere near the PS3"..., but... c'mon... that's a bit (just a bit) ridicule."

I think you should read my post again then. I tried to write it in as simple English as I could, but you have still managed to completely miss the point.
miiiguel
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m0thr4: You sound mad, don't be. It's monday, but the sun is shining.
:)
Lemon Project
08/10/07 @ 11:49
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I also wanted to play PS2 games on my PS3 so I don't feel remotely cheated about this new config. I feel relieved I got my 60gb unit when I did. I'm in the camp that think Sony's ditching of a previous core value ie: PS2 compatibility is madness. I sincerely appreciate the need for them to improve their price-point and acknowledge they must take options out of the existing config to maintain a sustainable business model however BC should've remained as per PS3's original marketing position.
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Yup, I feel cheated. I always wanted the inferior non-BC compatible PS3 over the one I got.

Anyway, I didn't actually expect a price-reduction so soon, especially not one this big. No matter how much of a Sony-bias I have (not fanboy, I can still see clearly), it's impossible to not have noticed the somewhat arrogant and stubborn view on the market since pre-launch, so the fact that they've taken the hint and actually lowered the price this much WAS a bit of a surprise to me.

But I'm happy with my PS3.
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