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PlayStation 3 News by Oli Welsh

25 February, 2008

It will be possible to export TV recordings made with PS3's forthcoming digital TV receiver in a standard file format and store them anywhere you like, Sony explained today.

Mark Bunting, a producer at Sony's Cambridge Studio, which is working on the software for the PlayTV device, showed how the MPEG-2 video files could be moved from the PlayTV interface to the PS3's home menu.

From there, they can be moved to another storage device such as a memory stick, backup hard drive or PC. There is no copy protection in place and no time limit on how long the recording can be kept. Asked what you could do with the file Bunting said: "Anything you like, really, as long as you do it legally. It's in its raw format."

He was no doubt alluding to the piracy of TV programmes that is currently rampant on BitTorrent peer-to-peer networks. It seems that there will be nothing to stop PlayTV acting as a source of these recordings, as can any PC TV tuner.

"We've talked to our legal department about it," said Bunting. "All we're doing is moving it out of PlayTV and to the cross-media bar as if it was any other recording. So hopefully users won't do stuff they shouldn't do with it.

"If I'm prohibited from getting the recording off and storing it somewhere else because some other dude is making money out of selling it, then I'd rather they brought the law in to catch those people," he added.

We'll be posting full details about PlayTV soon - although sadly, these still will not include a price or release date for the device, which are still under wraps.

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Carlo
25/02/08 @ 18:57
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CAN YOU PLAY GAMES WHILE RECORDING?

DOES IT WAKE UP FROM STANDBY TO RECORD?

IS THE 'PLAYTV' A RUNNING APPLICATION OR WILL IT EXTEND THE BASE O/S?
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cthulhu_steev
25/02/08 @ 18:58
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Exellent news, bye bye VHS Recorder (at last).
cthulhu_steev
25/02/08 @ 18:58
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Fucksticks:

"CAN YOU PLAY GAMES WHILE RECORDING?"

I forgot about that, rubbish Eurogamer reporting!
DutchDemons
25/02/08 @ 19:02
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will it be released on PS3, or on PS4?

knowing Sony, they always brag about some new feature (CELL, Home, blu ray and now this) and then their 'high' ends and they forgot to actually create it first.

OT: still sounds nice, MS take note, if you're quick you can beat them to it!
cthulhu_steev
25/02/08 @ 19:03
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It's due diligence

Sony "Hey! We didn't tell them to do that!"
Mugwum [staff]
25/02/08 @ 19:03
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"Get some real fucking answers!"

There'll be a piece on PlayTV up soon that addresses some of this. We just thought you'd want a quick bite of what we found out today, so we picked one. And be nice to your shift key.
Carlo
25/02/08 @ 19:08
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Sorry, I'm not angry at you guys, I'm just *so* frustrated at seemingly every reporting site not asking these basic questions.
betahoven
25/02/08 @ 19:09
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Nice to hear they're not going to cripple it with DRM. The points Carlo raises are valid though (but I think you need to chill a bit bro!) and will probably decide whether or not I buy this.
Wilester
25/02/08 @ 19:09
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How soon is "soon" Tom?
Kyle
25/02/08 @ 19:28
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Yeeeaaaaah Toooooom!
MightyMouse
25/02/08 @ 19:37
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Sounds like an essential purchase tbh, and good for them not using rubbishy DRM.
Kyle
25/02/08 @ 19:43
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Yes I will definately buy it if its affordable, It's been a pain not being able to record stuff without a VHS player (which I do have but can't be arsed to set up as there's already a jungle of wires behind the TV's in my house).
Totoriko
25/02/08 @ 19:50
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Is 60Gb (now 40Gb) enough for DLC and pvr content?
Cyclone
25/02/08 @ 19:52
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Engadget has a small preview as well:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/14/sonys...

They say no to recording while playing games, at least at the moment. Apparently it's being worked on.
b0bb1ns
25/02/08 @ 20:09
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@Totoriko

Most PVRs have 150gb or more in them - a typical 1 hour programme being about 1.5 gb or so. You'll be able to store a few on the PS3's drive but you'll have to be prepared to watch them before they build up or copy them off.
Carlo
25/02/08 @ 20:30
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bobbins, the HDD that comes in a playstation is 'user replaceable'. Just buy one from whatever shop you use for computer hardware, and fit the new one yourself.

Look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkM9wiZePfs
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25/02/08 @ 20:54
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""So hopefully users won't do stuff they shouldn't do with it."

What planet do you live on?"

You can export your recordings from most digital PVRs anyway. PlayTV is no different in that respect, although exporting them sounds quite a bit more easier than with most PVRs.

Most of the TV stuff in P2P networks originates from the US because they're shown there first, so I doubt PlayTV is going to be a major source for "piracy".

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25/02/08 @ 21:12
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Tom, if you get the chance to ask, see if they'll give any clue as to whether the boot up time will be shortened by release.
It takes loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong, judging by the video on the BBC blog.
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26/02/08 @ 00:39
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Most PVR's are nowhere near as easy to copy stuff onto other storage media though.

And £100 isnt terrible for a device that can receive HD Content, and free HD chanels are increasing in number, Both channel 4, and BBC one do them. I believe film 4 may also have a HD version.
frombrosis
26/02/08 @ 06:58
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This is unexpectedly good news. It actually makes me want one now... The thought of copying a HD episode of LOST to my memory stick for transport is very alluring. Can't wait.
mattigan
26/02/08 @ 07:44
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This might actually make me think about getting a PS3, INCONCEIVABLE!!!
gallow
26/02/08 @ 08:49
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I imagine you can export the recordings and view them on a PSP while on the move.
SteveB
26/02/08 @ 08:58
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Being able to play a game while recording is pretty fundamental though. If it's not there from the start that would suggest to me that it's won't happen because why would they have left it out ?
woodnotes
26/02/08 @ 09:03
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"And £100 isnt terrible for a device that can receive HD Content"

Are you forgetting the £280-£425 you paid for your PS3?

"and free HD chanels are increasing in number, Both channel 4, and BBC one do them. I believe film 4 may also have a HD version. "

Not on Freeview.
moggsy
26/02/08 @ 09:10
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@ frombrosis

This is unexpectedly good news. It actually makes me want one now... The thought of copying a HD episode of LOST to my memory stick for transport is very alluring. Can't wait.

And you will be waiting as:

a. There is no HD Freeview at the moment - might be at least a couple of years away.

b. Lost is a Sky exclusive.

Also seeing as Ofcom and the TV companies haven't quite decided how they are going to broadcast HD Freeview at the moment then I'm not overly convinced that Sony's add on will be compatible with it. Yes they can update the firmware but if a new physical tuner is required then that's a different matter.

Latest news here

Edit: And I've just spotted you live in Australia so the above doesn't apply to you! ;-)
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Sympathy_For
26/02/08 @ 09:27
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@ Carlo

Apparently Play TV will wake up from standby to record (2nd paragraph): http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=884

Sweet!
Tetragammatron
26/02/08 @ 10:07
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I don't particularly see the point of this. You can buy a standalone PVR with approximately quadruple the hard drive space for the same price, and in doing so you won't be taking up the console at the same time. The only way to record a programme is to not play games while you do it, which is probably the only reason I'd want to record in the first place! Remote Play streaming sounds great on paper, but have any of you tried it so far via the Internet option rather than Private Network? You could probably drive home, watch the programme and drive back by the time the XMB moves. Painfully slow.
Darren
26/02/08 @ 10:16
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I can't help thinking that PlayTV will be a huge flop because it's not offering anything you cannot get already from a Freeview box and with the digital switchover imminent, I can't imagine there's that many people that don't already own one. It's just another console add-on at the end of the day, like the HD-DVD add-on for the 360, and we all know how well that sold, i.e. not very well! Surely people with PS3s want to play games or watch BDs (and DVDs) on it not watch/record TV programmes? Am I missing something here? :?
gamingdave
26/02/08 @ 10:30
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Darren, think the point is that you will have one machine under the TV, which has been Sony and Microsofts approach for a long time. Why have a PVR plugged in aswell if the PS3 will do it. IIRC it upscales the content and sends it over HDMI aswell, so for most people, one box and one cable will be all they need (even if the tuner box sits by the side or on top, itll still be smaller).

With this addon the PS3 can play games, music, pictures, DVDs, BluRay, and now TV. Most people dont need anything more.

rhinoxious
26/02/08 @ 10:38
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"They say no to recording while playing games, at least at the moment. Apparently it's being worked on."

- If this is true then it's next to useless, while I'm playing games is one of the main times I want to record TV. I thought multitasking video streams is what teh Cell was supposed to do for us?!?

"And £100 isnt terrible for a device that can receive HD Content, and free HD chanels are increasing in number, Both channel 4, and BBC one do them. I believe film 4 may also have a HD version."

- A good point, though HD capable stand alone PVRs with bigger hard disks are undoubtedly going to plummet in price once demand picks up (they currently cost around £300). Remember there are no HD channels available over Freeview broadcast at the moment, they are only accessible through Sky, Virgin, or FreeSat.

We should see the first HD Freeview channels from early next year due to a reorganisation of the curretn available bandwidth (less crap radio and some performance gains due to technology), the rest will have to wait till the digital switchover.
Tetragammatron
26/02/08 @ 10:42
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gamingdave, you can't group all the media functions together with the PVR functionality. In the case of a built in Blu-Ray player, photos, internet and music this is probably true. People either want to watch a movie or play a videogame, it'd be silly to do both at once. But in the case of a PVR, people will want to record a programme whilst playing, which isn't possible using this. I'm sure they're "working hard to rectify it", but they've been saying that for in-game XMB for over a year now.
zuljin
26/02/08 @ 10:49
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@gallow
It would be even better if you could record it - and it would automatically save it as a film on your XMB. That way you could watch it on your PSP without mem stick hassle.
LetsGo
26/02/08 @ 11:12
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Gotta say this is wicked! Cant wait to record some stuff at night and blonk the mem stick from me PS3 to me PSP to watch on the way to work!
tripitaka
26/02/08 @ 11:34
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Transfer to PSP.

Streaming to PSP over wifi.

These are the functions you wouldn't get with a bog standard PVR.
Luvbeers
26/02/08 @ 13:41
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Well it's not much of a sales pitch to me as I live in Austria and don't watch any old episodes of what have you dubbed into german in SD (don't know why they can't keep the english audio on the dual channel!)... but looking forward to the influx of US/UK TV on BitTorrent by amatuer sony pirates!
LeD
03/03/08 @ 18:01
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Why don't my posts show up?
LeD
03/03/08 @ 18:03
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Ah, they do now?

Any idea how/if this will work with say, SkyHD or equivalent? Does it have any kind of digital input?

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